‘I Am Helping Thai Tourism’, Says US Porn Man

[brewsterbudgen]

If this guy is the Creampie thais guy then i don't see anything wrong with what he was doing, it's all very tame, run of the mill stuff. The girls are on the whole good looking, with some real beauties, they know what they are getting themselves in to and he treats them respectfully. It's not like many of the other similar types of movies were the girls look dirty as <deleted>, look like they want it to be over as quick as possible and are pretty much treated like shit ..

The films are made for sale outside of Thailand, i doubt very much if the guy intended for them to be sold in Thailand and i doubt if he is making any cash from those sales so he can't really be held responsible for the films being illegally pirated or watched in thailand...

As for the girls themselves it's laughable the idea that these girls are innocent little country girls being used and abused, the girls in these films are proper pro's, they know exactly what they are doing. It's all about the money and it's not because they need it, it's because they always want more. The girls he uses are not the poor ugly girls who sit in the bar night after night with no customer to help pay the bills and are desperate for cash, these are the girls that have more customers than they can handle and they do these films because money is more important to them than anything else.. they are long past caring about their reputations being tarnished due to their sexual activity...

With regards the families back home seeing the movies and being angry thats even more laughable, it's just as likely on finding out the girl had made 10,000 baht for the movie they would be on the phone looking for more money to be sent home....

Good post and in general I agree with you. However, there are far worse farang pornographers trawling the bars for girls to photograph, one of whom I've mentioned before on this site but I would rather not give him the publicity. He only pays the girls the usual short-time rate and in many (although not all) of the photos the girls look genuinely upset and are trying to cover their face. He makes a virtue of the fact that he "cleverly slips off the condom" mid performance.

[Bagwan]

I bet Nong Natt is pretty pissed about this. Seems to me that she deserves a full apology.

What riles me is not that this particular Mr. Wonderful makes sex movies; I have no beef about that and it seems a logical progression to the slide into the cesspit that Thailand is creating for itself. The possession of drugs, a weapon and ammunition, and having overstayed have been swept under the carpet. That tees me off no end. It provides proof positive that the BiB make up the law as they go along  and that statutes, precedents and due process are not a part of that procedure. 

[garrfeild]

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" "I am not a foreigner with a beer gut. I am handsome, well educated, sophisticated and I dine with the best.""

The word Narcist isn't a word he has to look for in the dictionary I presume.

LaoPo

There is no point in him looking in the dictionary. That word does not exist. Maybe you meant narcissist.

Mirror,mirror on the wall, who is the fairest of all? It seems that the lor man is in cahoots with the lawmen.

NARCIST = someone who has a connection to drugs

[SurfRider]

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"It provides proof positive that the BiB make up the law as they go along and that statutes, precedents and due process are not a part of that procedure."

Is this a serious revelation to anyone who has spent more than a few days in Siam? If so, welcome to the real world-- Thai style!

I talked to a seasoned expat who was unfortunate enough to be caught by the BiB with some "questionable material" on his computer.

The boys were tipped off by a former girlfriend who had just learned the word "scorned". A quick trip to the ATM to retrieve 30K baht and all was well. He told me "you want to nip these things in the bud before you're escorted to the police station, where it becomes much more expensive"

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[TAWP]

illegal possession of narcotics and unlicensed firearm, no visa.........slate wiped clean..........media told to drop the story.....interested to know what the National Police Chief's thoughts on the matter are (give him a call, Drummond). This is an open invitation for criminals to come to Thailand. The guy's probably doing a visa run as i write this !!!

This is the part I don't get...in my country the arresting officers ID'd, the local police chief etc would all be getting several calls asking how come the charges related to drugs, guns and 2 years(!) overstay disappeared. If publishing a reminder-article about it a couple of times per week with the police chiefs picture next to the news that no-one wants to answer etc again and again, I can promise you that something will happen...

[TAWP]

Oh, and I don't understand how anyone can claim that the 10k he pays is a good fee. Fact of the matter is that the girls are underpaid compared to legit movie-makers in both the region and outside it. Models working with Japanese movie-makers here in Thailand (several Penthouse models for example) receive 75k currently per movie, which is up to 3 scenes per girl.

10k doesn't ever cover the 1h fee in a hotel with any of the real quality girls working the trade.

But it might look expensive and high for those that trample around the bottom-pool of girls in Pattaya etc...

[mark45y]

illegal possession of narcotics and unlicensed firearm, no visa.........slate wiped clean..........media told to drop the story.....interested to know what the National Police Chief's thoughts on the matter are (give him a call, Drummond). This is an open invitation for criminals to come to Thailand. The guy's probably doing a visa run as i write this !!!

This is the part I don't get...in my country the arresting officers ID'd, the local police chief etc would all be getting several calls asking how come the charges related to drugs, guns and 2 years(!) overstay disappeared. If publishing a reminder-article about it a couple of times per week with the police chiefs picture next to the news that no-one wants to answer etc again and again, I can promise you that something will happen...

Tawp, what don't you get? You have been here long enough to get it. But you and many others in so many things don't get it.

This is not back in your country. Cops are different. Morals are different. Women are different. This is Thailand. Once you realize this you will "get it."

[TAWP]

illegal possession of narcotics and unlicensed firearm, no visa.........slate wiped clean..........media told to drop the story.....interested to know what the National Police Chief's thoughts on the matter are (give him a call, Drummond). This is an open invitation for criminals to come to Thailand. The guy's probably doing a visa run as i write this !!!

This is the part I don't get...in my country the arresting officers ID'd, the local police chief etc would all be getting several calls asking how come the charges related to drugs, guns and 2 years(!) overstay disappeared. If publishing a reminder-article about it a couple of times per week with the police chiefs picture next to the news that no-one wants to answer etc again and again, I can promise you that something will happen...

Tawp, what don't you get? You have been here long enough to get it. But you and many others in so many things don't get it.

This is not back in your country. Cops are different. Morals are different. Women are different. This is Thailand. Once you realize this you will "get it."

Read again mark, what I don't get is why there is no real hardcore follow-up by several journalists...

As we know that the only way to get any action here from any officials is to threaten the loss of face or actually initiate actions that start making them lose face...

That was my point. I have no problem understanding why/how he could avoid the charges...but it should be publicized.

[mark45y]

illegal possession of narcotics and unlicensed firearm, no visa.........slate wiped clean..........media told to drop the story.....interested to know what the National Police Chief's thoughts on the matter are (give him a call, Drummond). This is an open invitation for criminals to come to Thailand. The guy's probably doing a visa run as i write this !!!

This is the part I don't get...in my country the arresting officers ID'd, the local police chief etc would all be getting several calls asking how come the charges related to drugs, guns and 2 years(!) overstay disappeared. If publishing a reminder-article about it a couple of times per week with the police chiefs picture next to the news that no-one wants to answer etc again and again, I can promise you that something will happen...

Tawp, what don't you get? You have been here long enough to get it. But you and many others in so many things don't get it.

This is not back in your country. Cops are different. Morals are different. Women are different. This is Thailand. Once you realize this you will "get it."

Read again mark, what I don't get is why there is no real hardcore follow-up by several journalists...

As we know that the only way to get any action here from any officials is to threaten the loss of face or actually initiate actions that start making them lose face...

That was my point. I have no problem understanding why/how he could avoid the charges...but it should be publicized.

You don't get that this is Thailand and there is no freedom of the press? It is normal. I could not understand it if it was published.

[Northbank]

Oh, and I don't understand how anyone can claim that the 10k he pays is a good fee. Fact of the matter is that the girls are underpaid compared to legit movie-makers in both the region and outside it. Models working with Japanese movie-makers here in Thailand (several Penthouse models for example) receive 75k currently per movie, which is up to 3 scenes per girl.

10k doesn't ever cover the 1h fee in a hotel with any of the real quality girls working the trade.

But it might look expensive and high for those that trample around the bottom-pool of girls in Pattaya etc...

You are joking aren't you...this is Thailand we are talking about not Tokyo and not California, you can't compare what a bona fide 'porn star' gets paid for a movie in the west to what a thai prostitute in Pattaya gets paid for doing un ultra low budget production...

Even if you took the exact same scenario in a western city, with a low budget porn maker procuring a street pro for a couple of hours work making a 30minute '<deleted>' movie, she probably wouldn't get paid a lot more than 10,000 baht... and if you took in to account the relative dfference between living standards and pay in the west to thailand i'd bet the value of what she was paid would work out a lot less than what the value of 10,000 baht is to a thai living in thailand...

So if your going to compare at least compare like for like don't compare your Jenna jamesons and your top Japanese porn stars with Creamy Anne a prostitute from pattaya who will suck your winkle for a few hundred baht and <deleted> you all night for a 1000....It's like comparing the earnings of some unknown thai actor playing a part in a little theatre in the middle of thailand to what Tom Cruise gets paid for a big hollywood movie like the comparison has any relevance ..it doesn't and neither does yours...

[TAWP]

Oh, and I don't understand how anyone can claim that the 10k he pays is a good fee. Fact of the matter is that the girls are underpaid compared to legit movie-makers in both the region and outside it. Models working with Japanese movie-makers here in Thailand (several Penthouse models for example) receive 75k currently per movie, which is up to 3 scenes per girl.

10k doesn't ever cover the 1h fee in a hotel with any of the real quality girls working the trade.

But it might look expensive and high for those that trample around the bottom-pool of girls in Pattaya etc...

You are joking aren't you...this is Thailand we are talking about not Tokyo and not California, you can't compare what a bona fide 'porn star' gets paid for a movie in the west to what a thai prostitute in Pattaya gets paid for doing un ultra low budget production...

Even if you took the exact same scenario in a western city, with a low budget porn maker procuring a street pro for a couple of hours work making a 30minute '<deleted>' movie, she probably wouldn't get paid a lot more than 10,000 baht... and if you took in to account the relative dfference between living standards and pay in the west to thailand i'd bet the value of what she was paid would work out a lot less than what the value of 10,000 baht is to a thai living in thailand...

So if your going to compare at least compare like for like don't compare your Jenna jamesons and your top Japanese porn stars with Creamy Anne a prostitute from pattaya who will suck your winkle for a few hundred baht and <deleted> you all night for a 1000....It's like comparing the earnings of some unknown thai actor playing a part in a little theatre in the middle of thailand to what Tom Cruise gets paid for a big hollywood movie like the comparison has any relevance ..it doesn't and neither does yours...

I wasn't comparing to California (I suppose you mean San Fernando Valley) nor Tokyo.

I was giving you a direct number what quality girls are paid by Japanese film-makers for adult films, *in* Thailand.

Yes, yes, I know it isn't legal to shoot here. But there are several quality movies being made here. And by quality I mean 'at par with decent movies in Japan and America, i.e. not complete crap'...

Still, 10k *is* underpaid compared to 'what others are paid in comparison to the income to the movie'.

You might think they are overpaid, but then again, it only says more about the quality you swim in...

Ofcourse, I haven't seen this 'gentleman's' productions. And I am hoping there isn't complete waste of the trade he tries out. More likely it is girls that work for the 2-5k range in go go bars and perhaps don't realize to the extent the movie will be sold or spread. Yes, ignorance of the contract they sign isn't a defense, but don't expect a bar girl to understand legal English.

Edited November 30, 2010 by TAWP

[Northbank]

Oh, and I don't understand how anyone can claim that the 10k he pays is a good fee. Fact of the matter is that the girls are underpaid compared to legit movie-makers in both the region and outside it. Models working with Japanese movie-makers here in Thailand (several Penthouse models for example) receive 75k currently per movie, which is up to 3 scenes per girl.

10k doesn't ever cover the 1h fee in a hotel with any of the real quality girls working the trade.

But it might look expensive and high for those that trample around the bottom-pool of girls in Pattaya etc...

You are joking aren't you...this is Thailand we are talking about not Tokyo and not California, you can't compare what a bona fide 'porn star' gets paid for a movie in the west to what a thai prostitute in Pattaya gets paid for doing un ultra low budget production...

Even if you took the exact same scenario in a western city, with a low budget porn maker procuring a street pro for a couple of hours work making a 30minute '<deleted>' movie, she probably wouldn't get paid a lot more than 10,000 baht... and if you took in to account the relative dfference between living standards and pay in the west to thailand i'd bet the value of what she was paid would work out a lot less than what the value of 10,000 baht is to a thai living in thailand...

So if your going to compare at least compare like for like don't compare your Jenna jamesons and your top Japanese porn stars with Creamy Anne a prostitute from pattaya who will suck your winkle for a few hundred baht and <deleted> you all night for a 1000....It's like comparing the earnings of some unknown thai actor playing a part in a little theatre in the middle of thailand to what Tom Cruise gets paid for a big hollywood movie like the comparison has any relevance ..it doesn't and neither does yours...

I wasn't comparing to California (I suppose you mean San Fernando Valley) nor Tokyo.

I was giving you a direct number what quality girls are paid by Japanese film-makers for adult films, *in* Thailand.

Yes, yes, I know it isn't legal to shoot here. But there are several quality movies being made here. And by quality I mean 'at par with decent movies in Japan and America, i.e. not complete crap'...

Still, 10k *is* underpaid compared to 'what others are paid in comparison to the income to the movie'.

You might think they are overpaid, but then again, it only says more about the quality you swim in...

Ofcourse, I haven't seen this 'gentleman's' productions. And I am hoping there isn't complete waste of the trade he tries out. More likely it is girls that work for the 2-5k range in go go bars and perhaps don't realize to the extent the movie will be sold or spread. Yes, ignorance of the contract they sign isn't a defense, but don't expect a bar girl to understand legal English.

These girls are prostitutes who work bar, a go-go or freelance they are not penthouse models, they are not well known and they are not professional porn actresses. These are LOW BUDGET man with cam filming himself f*cking prostitute movies... not hired cock f*cking hired penthouse model in front of crew of many with 10's of thousands of dollars worth of equipment movies..so again you can't compare the two..

What the girls get paid is relevant to the type of movie it is, who they are and how much they are happy to work for, 10k won't get you a penthouse model but i guarantee you the girls that are in these movies were more than happy to do what they did for 10k for a couple of hours work.. How much the guy who makes the movies goes on to make from them is irrelevant, he could just as easy make nothing from them...that's business...

I do find it strange you have never seen the movies yet are only too happy to judge them or comment on them with such authority..maybe you should at least watch one before you make judgements....As for the 'quality i swim in' i think we both probably swim in the same quality, it's just that i and most others pay 1k for it and you have to pay 5, i wouldn't go feeling superior about getting hit with the ugly tax if i were you...

[TAWP]

These girls are prostitutes who work bar, a go-go or freelance they are not penthouse models, they are not well known and they are not professional porn actresses. These are LOW BUDGET man with cam filming himself f*cking prostitute movies... not hired cock f*cking hired penthouse model in front of crew of many with 10's of thousands of dollars worth of equipment movies..so again you can't compare the two..

What the girls get paid is relevant to the type of movie it is, who they are and how much they are happy to work for, 10k won't get you a penthouse model but i guarantee you the girls that are in these movies were more than happy to do what they did for 10k for a couple of hours work.. How much the guy who makes the movies goes on to make from them is irrelevant, he could just as easy make nothing from them...that's business...

I do find it strange you have never seen the movies yet are only too happy to judge them or comment on them with such authority..maybe you should at least watch one before you make judgements....As for the 'quality i swim in' i think we both probably swim in the same quality, it's just that i and most others pay 1k for it and you have to pay 5, i wouldn't go feeling superior about getting hit with the ugly tax if i were you...

Read again, I said the payment was lows in comparison to the amount he seem to pull in for his movies. I don't have to see them to read the numbers here.

And don't worry what I have to pay - I don't need to. But I do know what they charge if I was one of the ordinary guys that had to.

[mark45y]

The ladies are whores and probably on Ya ba. Or in other countries crack whores. There is a porn series called crack whores. I am sure the ladies in Thailand make the same or more than the ladies in the aforementioned series. If he wanted to pull models from the more expensive places in Bangkok it would be a different story. You get what you pay for. Or in some cases what you don't pay for.

[jayjay0]

O goody

A thread with a title and content that has nothing to do with it.

Sure a lot of porn experts here.

The horse died two days ago lets bury it. There is beginning to be a smell in the air.

Edited December 1, 2010 by jayjay0

[Nawtier]

Why was the drug manufacturer Kim ?? The Swedish guy from Rayong not given such treatment.....he looks to have loads more cash than this porno guy....and the Russian arms dealer...why was he not released unnder same scenario....he obviously would have the funds to pay anything with Russia behind him.

What is the difference here ?

[mark45y]

O goody

A thread with a title and content that has nothing to do with it.

Sure a lot of porn experts here.

The horse died two days ago lets bury it. There is beginning to be a smell in the air.

When you read a thread about tourism and US porn man what did you expect to find?

[risky11]

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" "I am not a foreigner with a beer gut. I am handsome, well educated, sophisticated and I dine with the best.""

Always wondered who ordered the deluxe combos at KFC

Priceless!

[yellow1red1]

wotever happened to porn guy? did his "friends in high places' him out?

wotever happened to karate kid with the yellow hummer, too? did his friends in high places bail him out

wotever happened to the British criminal / HuaHin land developer who had the British guy crippled up for complaing about shoddy work? did his FIHPBHO?

[ThiagoBras]

what a hero!

[Oberkommando]

wotever happened to porn guy? did his "friends in high places' him out?

wotever happened to karate kid with the yellow hummer, too? did his friends in high places bail him out

wotever happened to the British criminal / HuaHin land developer who had the British guy crippled up for complaing about shoddy work? did his FIHPBHO?

Thailand has the best justice money can buy.

[Nawtier]

Checkout the pappa lawyers website and what it says at the bottom about having judges on their side......positive marketing.

Edited March 9, 2011 by Nawtier

[BigJohnnyBKK]

I want to start a manufacturing company. I love manufacturing things. I'm going to help out the Burmese by employing them to work 7 days a week. I'll even pay them more than they are getting now.

Aren't I a great guy. A true entrepreneur.

Yes, in fact you are helping them much more than just staying away. Of course if you were willing to give them money for nothing they'd like that much better, but IMO you'd be doing the people as a whole more good by giving them work.

Having "days off" is a luxury they can't afford yet.

"Exploitation" is outmoded marxist crap.

Why does'nt somebody make formal enquiries re the discrepancies of his charges against a free release and why ?

Because the only people authorized to accept your formal enquiries are those that will have you tossed off your balcony, just another suicide in Patts.

[rijb]

Two things: #1) This guy is an embarrassment to other Yanks, as if we needed more embarrassment.

#2) I suspect these Thai ladies who work for Poer as well working ladies in general, don't report their "earnings" and don't pay taxes on them. Yeah, a real benefit to Thailand all around. I'd pat him on the back, but his hand is in the way...

At least he didn't call himself a Yank...