Visa To Aus For Tgf And Son

[scotto]

Hi all,

Need advice for a tourist visa for my tgf and my son to come to oz,

I have taken previous tgf to oz for holiday did not work out she went home to thai!met new tgf had baby now 3mths old want to bring her and my son home for holiday

question is i have been told since i have taken lady to oz before will be extremely hard to bring another tgf to oz is this true or false or luck of the draw please advise.

Any possibility that because i now have a thai son that they will look favourably on this application as i am their sole support?

Any good advice would be greatly appreciated

[samran]

can't answe the question on the visa, but you should get your son an Australian passport, as is his birthright.

[scotto]

Do you think i can get my son a aussie passport even though he was born it thai?

[gburns57au]

How long since the first girl had her visa and did she comply with the visa conditions?

Personally I dont see it being an issue.

Your child is eligible for Oz citizenship by descent thus once that is done he is eligible for an Oz passport.

[samran]

Do you think i can get my son a aussie passport even though he was born it thai?

If one of the parents is an Australian citizen, then yes.

[scotto]

to get my son citizenship by decent ?

how is this done in bangkok or aus and do you no the process?

Has been 2 years since last tgf visited aus

thank you for your info

[scotto]

Also last tgf did comply with visa conditions no problems at all

thanks

[samran]

to get my son citizenship by decent ?

how is this done in bangkok or aus and do you no the process?

Has been 2 years since last tgf visited aus

thank you for your info

the application has to be done via the Australian embassy in Bangkok. Once he has the citizenship via descent sorted (about a 10 day turn around) then he can apply for the passport at the embassy.

The child should exit and re-enter Thailand on the Thai passport, and enter and exit Australia on the Australian passport, ensuring no visa's are require for the child at both ends of the journey.

As for your last TGF, I'm not sure what this has to do with anything!

[scotto]

thanks samran

good to know these things before i go back to thai!!!!

1other poster asked if last tgf complied with her visa conditions which she did thats why i responded to that anyway thats all history now!!!

I have a new life with the new tgf and son and just have to sort a few things out with the embassy in thai

was just looking for the write way of doing things from someone elses perspective if they had gone through the hoops as i am going to be!!!

thank you again much appreciated

[AussieTintin]

Hi Scotto,

You should be able to bring your Thai girlfriend and son over to Australia for a holiday. How long are they to come for? There has been some time since you last brought another Thai national to Australia. She complied with the visa conditions and anyway this is another person completely and someone whom you have a son with. How long have you known her?. Are you looking down the track to a permanent move to Australia for your girlfriend and son?

Regards,

[scotto]

Hi aussietintin,

Have known tgf 15 mths great honest girl anyway i would like to bring them both out and let tgf look at australia and see what she thinks

and then make plans from there after she has done the tr visa thing ..

as to your question i would like to bring them out for 3mths to give her a good feel for the way we aussies do things and let her make her own mind up if Aus is for her or not

if so then i will make plans to start the ball rolling for them both to move over

cheers

[gburns57au]

the application has to be done via the Australian embassy in Bangkok. Once he has the citizenship via descent sorted (about a 10 day turn around) then he can apply for the passport at the embassy.

The child should exit and re-enter Thailand on the Thai passport, and enter and exit Australia on the Australian passport, ensuring no visa's are require for the child at both ends of the journey.

As for your last TGF, I'm not sure what this has to do with anything!

It will be on record that he was involved in the previous girlfriends visa, if there was a problem with that girls visa or if that visa was issued fairly recently then it may raise concerns with the new application. However given the information received I still dont think it will cause a problem with the new application.

[AussieTintin]

Hi Scotto,

Yes I think that is the way to go. It is 2 years since the other gf's visa. You have known her for a fairly long time. She is genuinely coming out for Tourism purposes. You don't want to bring them out for very long. She is definitely not a flash in the pan - you have a son together. All the indicators are good. As long as you can support them financially for the trip and explain your circumstances you should be right. Then if you choose you can go the Partner visa.

Regards,

[scotto]

Ok thanks to all for the relevant info very grateful as i was a bit worried about tgf and son not being able to come and see oz

scotto

[jboras]

Hi aussietintin,

Have known tgf 15 mths great honest girl anyway i would like to bring them both out and let tgf look at australia and see what she thinks

and then make plans from there after she has done the tr visa thing ..

as to your question i would like to bring them out for 3mths to give her a good feel for the way we aussies do things and let her make her own mind up if Aus is for her or not

if so then i will make plans to start the ball rolling for them both to move over

cheers

How old is the child?

Are you shown as the father on the birth certificate?

This certifucate needs to be translated (if you are the father on it), notarised by the Thai Foreign Affairs, the submitted to the Australian Embassy is Bangkok. Thechildwill get his Citizenship by Descent nstantly (if you are the father) and subsequently be issued an Australian Passport.

If you have been with this woman for 2 years she qualifies as a "De Facto"so it should it no be a problem.

I went through the same thing. Got my gor;friend a Visa while still legally marrued to another Thai lady... just told them the truth that I was seprated and not yet divorced.

The TRUTH and honesty goes a long way with embassy staff. If they detect deception... you're done for....

[scotto]

jboras

my son is now 3 mths old

as far as i have been told by tgf i am on the birth cert and son has my last name

thai foreign affairs ? where is that?

have not been with tgf for 2 years been 15 mths now

cheers

[AussieTintin]

jboras wrote:

"If you have been with this woman for 2 years she qualifies as a "De Facto"so it should it no be a problem.

I went through the same thing. Got my gor;friend a Visa while still legally marrued to another Thai lady... just told them the truth that I was seprated and not yet divorced.

The TRUTH and honesty goes a long way with embassy staff. If they detect deception... you're done for.... "

I agree. Truth is vital with the embassy.

However,

you only need to be together for one year minimum to be considered de facto (in fact DIAC has discretion to allow for a lessor period if, for example, there are children of the relationship) and you cannot be married currently and be granted a prospective marriage visa or partner visa by marriage - its all in the regulations. Of course this would not stop someone getting a Tourist visa.

[Murtle71]

jboras wrote:

"If you have been with this woman for 2 years she qualifies as a "De Facto"so it should it no be a problem.

I went through the same thing. Got my gor;friend a Visa while still legally marrued to another Thai lady... just told them the truth that I was seprated and not yet divorced.

The TRUTH and honesty goes a long way with embassy staff. If they detect deception... you're done for.... "

I agree. Truth is vital with the embassy.

However,

you only need to be together for one year minimum to be considered de facto (in fact DIAC has discretion to allow for a lessor period if, for example, there are children of the relationship) and you cannot be married currently and be granted a prospective marriage visa or partner visa by marriage - its all in the regulations. Of course this would not stop someone getting a Tourist visa.

I heard that the partner visa is taking months to get at the moment. So the tourist visa is the way to go. If he wants when she gets to Australia he can change is mind and apply for a partner visa as he is living in a defacto relationship. The thing to remember is that the visa is hers to apply for and as a tourist visa she needs to have a strong reason to return to Thailand.

I agree with the others talking about gettting your son citizenship of Australia before you leave Thailand. That way he can use medicare for health costs if you need to see a doctor....

[gburns57au]

I heard that the partner visa is taking months to get at the moment. So the tourist visa is the way to go. If he wants when she gets to Australia he can change is mind and apply for a partner visa as he is living in a defacto relationship. The thing to remember is that the visa is hers to apply for and as a tourist visa she needs to have a strong reason to return to Thailand.

I agree with the others talking about gettting your son citizenship of Australia before you leave Thailand. That way he can use medicare for health costs if you need to see a doctor....

You are not quite right.

If the tourist visa has a No Further Stay condition then they can not apply for a more substantive visa...irrespective of the relationship status.

[AussieTintin]

I heard that the partner visa is taking months to get at the moment. So the tourist visa is the way to go. If he wants when she gets to Australia he can change is mind and apply for a partner visa as he is living in a defacto relationship. The thing to remember is that the visa is hers to apply for and as a tourist visa she needs to have a strong reason to return to Thailand.

I agree with the others talking about gettting your son citizenship of Australia before you leave Thailand. That way he can use medicare for health costs if you need to see a doctor....

You are not quite right.

If the tourist visa has a No Further Stay condition then they can not apply for a more substantive visa...irrespective of the relationship status.

Murtle71 and gburns71 you are both right:

- if the 8503 condition is attached then it means no further stay and the visa holder would have to leave Oz b4 applying for any further visa. DIAC will make a decision about whether to attach this condition based on an overall objective view of the applicant;

- and Partner processing times obviously far more lengthy than for Tourist visas - on average 3 months depending on circumstances.