Pheu Thai 'To Expose' Govt Corruption

[animatic]

That si the job of an opposition. Hopefully they will do it well with clear cut evidence. The coutnry has seen enough of lies and inuendo. Hopefully they will also find someone other than Jatuporn to present the evidence, so it doesnt start as tainted.

Hammered

If clear cut and indisputable evidence is presented then surely it doesn't much matter where it comes from - Jatuporn,Robert Amsterdam, Wikikleaks or Rupert the Bear.

I think it's too easy to write of information because the source is seen to be "tainted" in some way.

After all what's source for the goose is source for the gander.(Sorry, couldn't resist it..Happy Christmas)

Sooooooo....

when has PTP ever presented " clear cut and indisputable evidence "?

[slapout]

The members of PTP, and its predecessors have given ample evidence of their perchance "for cut and run" over the past few years. This seemed to happen after the pledges/promises made by these individuals were not forthcoming. The recent damage control mouth pieces would appear to have slithered out of the same garbage dump.

[Maestro]

A nonsensical post and the replies to it have been deleted.

[jdinasia]

That si the job of an opposition. Hopefully they will do it well with clear cut evidence. The coutnry has seen enough of lies and inuendo. Hopefully they will also find someone other than Jatuporn to present the evidence, so it doesnt start as tainted.

Hammered

If clear cut and indisputable evidence is presented then surely it doesn't much matter where it comes from - Jatuporn,Robert Amsterdam, Wikikleaks or Rupert the Bear.

I think it's too easy to write of information because the source is seen to be "tainted" in some way.

After all what's source for the goose is source for the gander.(Sorry, couldn't resist it..Happy Christmas)

The source does matter. Many people rule out The Nation as a source (and without any verification from other sources I am not too sure I blame them!) If someone repeatedly lies and gets caught lying then they will be discredited out of hand. (Producing doctored youtube stuff to play over and over .... well .... can you trust him?) Similar to the "Boy who cried Wolf!"

[jayboy]

That si the job of an opposition. Hopefully they will do it well with clear cut evidence. The coutnry has seen enough of lies and inuendo. Hopefully they will also find someone other than Jatuporn to present the evidence, so it doesnt start as tainted.

Hammered

If clear cut and indisputable evidence is presented then surely it doesn't much matter where it comes from - Jatuporn,Robert Amsterdam, Wikikleaks or Rupert the Bear.

I think it's too easy to write of information because the source is seen to be "tainted" in some way.

After all what's source for the goose is source for the gander.(Sorry, couldn't resist it..Happy Christmas)

The source does matter. Many people rule out The Nation as a source (and without any verification from other sources I am not too sure I blame them!) If someone repeatedly lies and gets caught lying then they will be discredited out of hand. (Producing doctored youtube stuff to play over and over .... well .... can you trust him?) Similar to the "Boy who cried Wolf!"

I think it's fair to say that a dubious source (you mention PTP) needs to be treated with scepticism.My point was however that sometimes truth emerges from the most unlikely quarters, particularly in a climate of censorship and self censorship such as Thailand.

[TAWP]

I think we all welcome any corruption to be exposed, even if it is brought to light by PTP and their likes. However, I would hope they are smart enough to NOT use Jutaporn for the press-conference, since his role in the past is to be the fringe-nutcase that screams highly about doctored tapes etc that the 'normal' PTP MP's can always free themselves free from if there is a lash-back.

[hyperdimension]

Actually I wouldn't mind if Jatuporn is one of the main people presenting this, as it would then be more likely to be discredited and/or dismissed.

[animatic]

Actually I wouldn't mind if Jatuporn is one of the main people presenting this, as it would then be more likely to be discredited and/or dismissed.

Exactly.

[slapout]

A Thai political party/politician threatening to expose corruption by fellow politicians may indicate the accuser is guilty of more serious charges and is using the old 'point the finger' to deflect from themselves any close scrutiny.

[jayboy]

Actually I wouldn't mind if Jatuporn is one of the main people presenting this, as it would then be more likely to be discredited and/or dismissed.

Exactly.

Amid all this predictable (and frankly rather commonplace ) ranting about Jatuporn, the mor interesting and relevant question of reliable sources has been exposed rather brutally by recent Wikileaks revelations.It now appears certain that the Thai establishment has been lying through its teeth on a whole range of matters to the Thai people - putting little Jatuporn in the shade.Still as has been often observed, against stupidity the gods themselves struggle in vain.

[whybother]

Amid all this predictable (and frankly rather commonplace ) ranting about Jatuporn, the mor interesting and relevant question of reliable sources has been exposed rather brutally by recent Wikileaks revelations.It now appears certain that the Thai establishment has been lying through its teeth on a whole range of matters to the Thai people - putting little Jatuporn in the shade.Still as has been often observed, against stupidity the gods themselves struggle in vain.

Someone mentioned that in another thread recently, particularly about Abhisit. But I haven't found anything except for one relating to Samak and one relating to ... the PAD.

Do you have any other information besides "a whole range of matters"?

[TAWP]

Actually I wouldn't mind if Jatuporn is one of the main people presenting this, as it would then be more likely to be discredited and/or dismissed.

Exactly.

Amid all this predictable (and frankly rather commonplace ) ranting about Jatuporn, the mor interesting and relevant question of reliable sources has been exposed rather brutally by recent Wikileaks revelations.It now appears certain that the Thai establishment has been lying through its teeth on a whole range of matters to the Thai people - putting little Jatuporn in the shade.Still as has been often observed, against stupidity the gods themselves struggle in vain.

Please list what you are referring to since I am myself still waiting for interesting cables - the ones sofar hasn't really 'exposed' anything in relationship to Thailand...(besides perhaps that high level people here talk to the US Embassy staff more openly than one would think (Samak etc), including atleast a couple of business-men that act like informants [read: not unlike Plame]).