Thaksin's Lawyer Robert Amsterdam Brings Crackdown On Reds To International Criminal Court

[TAWP]

From the actual report:

This Application includes an expert report by Joe Ray Witty,a Green Beret and Master Sergeant (Retired) of the United States Army, Special Forces. Master Sergeant(Ret.) Witty is a military-trained sniper and an explosives specialist, serving two tours of duty in military combat operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. He is currently employed by Los Angeles Police Department SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics)team, where he is a member of SWAT’s sniper and breaching cadres. He is also an instructor for the Los Angeles Police Department in crowd control and crowd management, where his responsibilities include the planning and execution of law enforcement response to public demonstrations throughout the greater Los Angeles area.

Master Sergeant (Ret.) Witty reviewed and evaluated the Royal Thai Army’s response to the Red Shirt demonstrations in Bangkok in April and May 2010. Based on his study of many hours of video and photographic evidence from the demonstrations, together with a personal examination of the physical sites of the Royal Thai Army’s response and numerous witness interviews, he prepared an Expert Report containing the following conclusions, which are supported in detail in the body of his Expert Report:

And then a long list of half-truths and misinterpretations etc.

But if one searches for the person named one only finds the same sentence again and again, leading back to the news about the report itself.

[rubl]

From the actual report:

This Application includes an expert report by Joe Ray Witty,a Green Beret and Master Sergeant (Retired) of the United States Army, Special Forces. Master Sergeant(Ret.) Witty is a military-trained sniper and an explosives specialist, serving two tours of duty in military combat operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. He is currently employed by Los Angeles Police Department SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics)team, where he is a member of SWAT�s sniper and breaching cadres. He is also an instructor for the Los Angeles Police Department in crowd control and crowd management, where his responsibilities include the planning and execution of law enforcement response to public demonstrations throughout the greater Los Angeles area.

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And then a long list of half-truths and misinterpretations etc.

But if one searches for the person named one only finds the same sentence again and again, leading back to the news about the report itself.

To be fair I know a few people who don't care at all if they are traceable via the internet. On the other hand lots of professionals count on being visible, generates revenue, income, butter on the bread, etc.

PS a quick search didn't even bring up an facebook reference? How odd

[TAWP]

People that are tracked down to produce expert testimonies for reports are not unknowns that cannot be found. If they were...how did the report authors find them?

[rubl]

People that are tracked down to produce expert testimonies for reports are not unknowns that cannot be found. If they were...how did the report authors find them?

With the resume giving by A&P LLP you'd think this chap Joe Ray Witty is a well known, respected member of the Los Angeles community. Moreover I'm sure a journalist/reporter with spare time will be able to trace this pillar of society. The report is less than a day old (or better put 'available'). Give it time

PS also for me a quick check didn't bring up anything but 'witty' remarks and banter

(edit: link to the LAPD http://www.lapdonline.org/ )

Edited February 1, 2011 by rubl

[Buchholz]

People that are tracked down to produce expert testimonies for reports are not unknowns that cannot be found. If they were...how did the report authors find them?

With the resume giving by A&P LLP you'd think this chap Joe Ray Witty is a well known, respected member of the Los Angeles community. Moreover I'm sure a journalist/reporter with spare time will be able to trace this pillar of society. The report is less than a day old (or better put 'available'). Give it time

PS also for me a quick check didn't bring up anything but 'witty' remarks and banter

(edit: link to the LAPD http://www.lapdonline.org/ )

At least we know he portrayed a SWAT officer in The Fast and The Furious

Joe Witty

* Filmography

The Fast and the Furious (2001) SWAT officer

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1808852102

[animatic]

People that are tracked down to produce expert testimonies for reports are not unknowns that cannot be found. If they were...how did the report authors find them?

Maybe because some of their clients have used mercenaries and actors for hire in various capacities in the past? They got a referral?

Edited February 1, 2011 by animatic

[MAJIC]

Solicitor Amsterdams prelimimnary submission staement

I really can't see how the ICC will take this case on. It seems that even just submitting it to the ICC and having it blown out of the water is better than not submitting it at all as far as the Thaksin/A'dam team is concerned. Surely even they can't imagine it will succeed.

As the old saying goes,any publicity is good publicity.

In this instance if they lose the case (highly likely) then it will generate further publicity,by accusations of an unfair verdict,and strengthening,more Red Shirt Protests,and more money for Amsterdam,and the Red Shirt Rent a Mob.

So you mean that the ICC applies double standards too? The reach of the Bangkok elite and Thai military is amazing.

I didn't say any such thing.

[whybother]

I didn't say any such thing.

Sorry ... forgot the

[MAJIC]

Amsterdam told the news conference he had petitioned the International Criminal Court to launch a preliminary investigation into "potential crimes against humanity" by Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva during the "red shirt" anti-government protests in April-May, 2010.

REUTERS

What are "potential crimes against humanity"?

Obviously means a carefully worded "weak case"

A strong case would have read, "crimes against Humanity"

So as "potential "means "possible but not yet actual" the case is even more lacking in substance.

Edited February 2, 2011 by MAJIC

[hyperdimension]

Why is RA in Japan? Is he trying to use the fact that one Japanese reporter was killed to get the support of the Japanese for charging Abhisit with crimes against humanity?

Yes. He wants to rile up the Japanese to have them join in with his complaint of "genocide."

I wouldn't be surprised if he decided on Japan in order to somehow connect the recent "massacre" of less than 100 people in Thailand with the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in which hundred of thousands of innocent civilians died in total.

By also specifically bringing up the Tiananmen Square massacre in China, he may be trying to create public perception that the May 2010 "massacre" in Thailand belongs in the same group.

[TheyCallmeScooter]

In the grand scheme of things I would have thought the 2000+ extra-judicial killings during Thaksin's war on drugs would make a far more compelling case for Mr Amsterdam to bring before the ICC. If someone was to cross his palm with silver I'd love to hear him having to cite conflict of interest

Rats. I forgot the silver.

Amsterdam doesn't go into the court room. He just writes articles and white papers ... on toilet paper I think.

Yup. His 'lawyering' skills really appear to be limited to penning endless ludicrous, verbose OpEds (albeit carefully phrased to protect his hide) comprised almost exclusively of innuendo / wild speculation / desperate attempts to link his targets with historical villains....and then submitting all these fine 'articles' directly into the hundreds of PRWeb sites where lazy bloggers and journalists gobble up that content hungrily like the miserable fails they are.

He's a shyster - not a lawyer.

[Wellington]

In the grand scheme of things I would have thought the 2000+ extra-judicial killings during Thaksin's war on drugs would make a far more compelling case for Mr Amsterdam to bring before the ICC. If someone was to cross his palm with silver I'd love to hear him having to cite conflict of interest

Rats. I forgot the silver.

Amsterdam doesn't go into the court room. He just writes articles and white papers ... on toilet paper I think.

Yup. His 'lawyering' skills really appear to be limited to penning endless ludicrous, verbose OpEds (albeit carefully phrased to protect his hide) comprised almost exclusively of innuendo / wild speculation / desperate attempts to link his targets with historical villains....and then submitting all these fine 'articles' directly into the hundreds of PRWeb sites where lazy bloggers and journalists gobble up that content hungrily like the miserable fails they are.

He's a shyster - not a lawyer.

Perfect description, lovely word, says it all .

[MAJIC]

Interviewer: "Are these protesters being paid to protest?"

Amsterdam: Absolutely not! I haven't even heard this as an accusation."

He then went on when pressured further to say it didn't matter if they were getting paid or not.

What a prime 'turkey' this man is (a well fed one at that thanks to his ''paymaster") - what I don't understand, is how on earth can this buffoon have got him off the hook that time in 2003 when he had about 2,500 people summarily murdered purportedly so to rid the streets of drug-related crimes (I think from memory, that 1,400 were generally accepted as being innocent and unlucky bystanders in the wrong place at the wrong time)? Can this be the (sole) reason as to why Thaksin holds him in such high regard? I mean, he must be some kind of miracle worker to get him off scott free from this "far worse" crime - in terms of numbers of innocents killed, Thaksin must surely have thought at the time that Amsterdam is akin to the 'almighty lord" himself for pulling that one off. I'm not suggesting at all that having all that money might have assisted his cause by the way, as to do so would be absolutely unethical and immoral!!! Joking apart (or am I)?? Still can't see how he did this though - not without some form of outside help and certainly not from my take of his bungled and abject performance in this interview, anyway, where he was 'eaten alive' by the interviewer (without spitting out the bones).

Do you know what? he reminds me a great deal of that other buffoon Boris Johnson - AKA 'the Mayor of London'. He even looks and speaks a little bit like him and they both have faces that I would absolutely love to punch and slap, until the blood runs free from every single horrible orifice on their ugly mugs!! A thing of dreams perhaps!!!

Absolutely nothing will come of this ill fated and pointless publicity stunt - the way things are going I think that if I was Mr Amsterdam, I might start making some steadfast preparations by finding some kind of safe and secure haven, for around Christmas time (paid for by his devoted "sugar daddy" of course)!!!

Good comparison,but,

Boris knows he has the masses laughing with him,over his errors,

But Amsterdam,doesn't know the masses are laughing at him,and his errors.

And Thaksin wouldn't understand the difference.

[TheyCallmeScooter]

Boris knows he has the masses laughing with him,over his errors,

But Amsterdam,doesn't know the masses are laughing at him,and his errors.

And Thaksin wouldn't understand the difference.

You give the masses far too much credit; you over-estimate their ability to detect rhetoric and propaganda.

You give Thaksin and Amsterdam far too little credit, you under-estimate their ability to intelligently (albeit despicably and shamefully) exploit the idiot masses, to suit their own aims.

If the masses were really laughing at Amsterdam, we wouldn't be talking about him. And you can bet your behind that Thaksin would not still be paying him.

[MAJIC]

Interviewer: "Are these protesters being paid to protest?"

Amsterdam: Absolutely not! I haven't even heard this as an accusation."

He then went on when pressured further to say it didn't matter if they were getting paid or not.

What a prime 'turkey' this man is (a well fed one at that thanks to his ''paymaster") - what I don't understand, is how on earth can this buffoon have got him off the hook that time in 2003 when he had about 2,500 people summarily murdered purportedly so to rid the streets of drug-related crimes (I think from memory, that 1,400 were generally accepted as being innocent and unlucky bystanders in the wrong place at the wrong time)? Can this be the (sole) reason as to why Thaksin holds him in such high regard? I mean, he must be some kind of miracle worker to get him off scott free from this "far worse" crime - in terms of numbers of innocents killed, Thaksin must surely have thought at the time that Amsterdam is akin to the 'almighty lord" himself for pulling that one off. I'm not suggesting at all that having all that money might have assisted his cause by the way, as to do so would be absolutely unethical and immoral!!! Joking apart (or am I)?? Still can't see how he did this though - not without some form of outside help and certainly not from my take of his bungled and abject performance in this interview, anyway, where he was 'eaten alive' by the interviewer (without spitting out the bones).

Do you know what? he reminds me a great deal of that other buffoon Boris Johnson - AKA 'the Mayor of London'. He even looks and speaks a little bit like him and they both have faces that I would absolutely love to punch and slap, until the blood runs free from every single horrible orifice on their ugly mugs!! A thing of dreams perhaps!!!

Absolutely nothing will come of this ill fated and pointless publicity stunt - the way things are going I think that if I was Mr Amsterdam, I might start making some steadfast preparations by finding some kind of safe and secure haven, for around Christmas time (paid for by his devoted "sugar daddy" of course)!!!

[MAJIC]

Boris knows he has the masses laughing with him,over his errors,

But Amsterdam,doesn't know the masses are laughing at him,and his errors.

And Thaksin wouldn't understand the difference.

You give the masses far too much credit; you over-estimate their ability to detect rhetoric and propaganda.

You give Thaksin and Amsterdam far too little credit, you under-estimate their ability to intelligently (albeit despicably and shamefully) exploit the idiot masses, to suit their own aims.

If the masses were really laughing at Amsterdam, we wouldn't be talking about him. And you can bet your behind that Thaksin would not still be paying him.

Well lets just wait and see, when Amsterdam brings the Crackdown on the Reds case to the International Criminal Court,

it will be interesting to see if Thaksin gets his moneys worth out of Amsterdam? or whether the man is just another expensive Talking Head? never underestimate the people either!

I know which my money would be on.

Edited February 13, 2011 by MAJIC

[Loaded]

Amsterdam is doing what he's paid to do - it's that simple. The Master Sargent is as well.

Thaksin is spending and spending. The 'help' of Amsterdam and US special forces Sargents isn't cheap. If he's invested money somewhere away from Thailand, he won't be able to change laws to increase profits. His downside won't be protected by the taxpayer either. He's also rich pickings for the vultures out there who move in his circles. Who's he going to call for help if he's ripped off in Serbia or Nigeria or even Sweden. The tactics of whoever pulls Mark's strings is to bleed him dry.

[TheyCallmeScooter]

[hammered]

Amsterdam is doing what he's paid to do - it's that simple. The Master Sargent is as well.

Thaksin is spending and spending. The 'help' of Amsterdam and US special forces Sargents isn't cheap. If he's invested money somewhere away from Thailand, he won't be able to change laws to increase profits. His downside won't be protected by the taxpayer either. He's also rich pickings for the vultures out there who move in his circles. Who's he going to call for help if he's ripped off in Serbia or Nigeria or even Sweden. The tactics of whoever pulls Mark's strings is to bleed him dry.

Indeed

It is also cyclical. Now is the time for the Thaksin team to whip up hatred before: this year either an election or less likely uprising round three. If there is an election and team Thaksin lose, he is finished and right now PTP are in disarray, so expect some drama

[hammered]

Indeed. The Egyptian revolution was also almost lacking in leaders. Nobody including some of their own more liberal leaders would say the red machine wasnt top down