Red Shirt Leader Jatuporn To Reveal 'Solid Evidence' Of Abhisit's UK Citizenship

[timekeeper]

... he certainly has lied less than any other PM in recent history

But this is very far from certain.Abhisit has consistently lied about the murder of red shirts and other civilians by the army last year.

whilst the reds have denied the existance of men in black mercenaries paid for by their boss Thaksin and accredited the deaths of police, army, civilians, non combatants, to ''fake reds'' within their ranks

must be true, the reds never lie...........

We were discussing Prime Ministers, and Abhisit has proved to be an accomplished liar.

I'm sure there are dishonesties propagated by the Red leadership but that is another subject altogether.Your accusations incidentally don't make much sense but to analyse your efforts would take us further off topic.

not to you maybe but to those who do not wear red tinted glasses........

[cardholder]

So, what are your thoughts now on Mr Abhisit - if this little thing is worth lying about surely bigger things are definitely worth lying about. Has he spent too long in the company of Mr Suthep?

Yes, bring back khun Thaksin then we won't have any lies at all !!

[Jai Dee]

Some petty bickering and off-topic posts have been removed.

[Arkady]

Mr PM admits he is a British now !!! during parliament session

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva on Thursday confirmed his Thai citizenship even though he was born in England, rebutting an opposition lawmaker's allegation for having dual nationality.

"I am a Thai with clear intent not to hold British citizenship," he said.

Abhisit said he had to apply for entry visa to England just like other Thais and that he did not avail himself of any services such as education reserved for British citizens.

The Election Commission had already ruled out his dual nationality, he added.

Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Promphan, speaking from the House floor during the performance debate, alleged the prime minister's dual nationality.

PM Denies British Citizenship

Abhisit's pronouncements about his citizenship have been disappointingly nonsensical, like his earlier off the cuff, inaccurate statement that Thaksin would have to renounce Thai citizenship to become a Cambodian citizen (not to mention a Montenegrin, Nicaraguan, Fijian or Ugandan), as Thais were only allowed one nationality.

Abhisit is clearly British if he has no renunciation certificate to prove otherwise. The fact that he may never have applied for a British passport (if indeed true), travelled to the UK on a Thai passport, or paid overseas student fees at Oxford make no difference to this fact. Now he is saying that the Electoral Commission has already ruled out his dual nationality, when there is nothing for the EC to rule on, except the fact that he is undisputably Thai from birth. The constitution requires MPs and ministers to be Thai from birth but doesn't require them not to be another nationality. He is very bright and well educated. I wish he would start sounding that way. He has nothing to fear from the ICC anyway, so why not just call multi-passported Thaksin's bluff and cut the

BS?

Edited February 25, 2011 by Arkady

[TAWP]

Btw, Jutaporns evidence was...Google?

[rubl]

Irrespective of the court case, but if it is true, it is quite a political score none the less. I can see election posters of Abhisit adorning the country draped in red, white and blue, but it won't be the Thai flag.

I he did say this it will be like manna from heaven for the reds and the yellows.

Red, white, blue? Horizontal = The Netherlands, vertical = France. Who would be better off

[MAJIC]

Does that mean he's also 10 points down on the maturity development index?

I transferred from US school system to the British school system when I was mid-teens. Sorry to say, it felt like I was stuck with a group of 10 year olds.

Hmm Very Strange,UK "Streaming" Policy,usually puts one in the best class suited to ability,

sorry to say.

Edited February 25, 2011 by MAJIC

[MAJIC]

Abhisit is a highly Educated man,with more Top Class Degrees to his name than,most people could only dream of.

He speaks fluent,.better English than the vast majority of English,and is probably the best PM Thailand has had in many a year.His Sincerity is very obvious,and up to now has not been involved in any scandals or corruption. I dont believe a simple thing such as clarifying his Nationality,would be worth him lying about,and risking everything,by playing into the hands of the likes of Thaksin and Amsterdam.

No wonder the opposition are clutching at straws,and desperate to dig up some dirt on him.........before the next Election.

So, what are your thoughts now on Mr Abhisit - if this little thing is worth lying about surely bigger things are definitely worth lying about. Has he spent too long in the company of Mr Suthep?

If you are interested,then see my other Posts on this Topic,at present case unproven,by Amsterdam and Thaksin Mob.

Edited February 25, 2011 by MAJIC

[MAJIC]

Abhisit is a highly Educated man,with more Top Class Degrees to his name than,most people could only dream of.

He speaks fluent,.better English than the vast majority of English,and is probably the best PM Thailand has had in many a year.His Sincerity is very obvious,and up to now has not been involved in any scandals or corruption. I dont believe a simple thing such as clarifying his Nationality,would be worth him lying about,and risking everything,by playing into the hands of the likes of Thaksin and Amsterdam.

No wonder the opposition are clutching at straws,and desperate to dig up some dirt on him.........before the next Election.

So, what are your thoughts now on Mr Abhisit - if this little thing is worth lying about surely bigger things are definitely worth lying about. Has he spent too long in the company of Mr Suthep?

If you are interested,then see my other Posts on this Topic,at present case for Abhisits joint Nationality unproven,by Amsterdam and Thaksin Mob.

Edited February 25, 2011 by MAJIC

[Markaew]

I need to ask a question and no I haven't read all the posts in this thread because it has become painfully lengthy. And yes with hesitation I am contributing to that length.

In the Middle East there are many rebellions going on and most or all are wearing red shirts. The communists (wearing red) are heavy involved in those protests if not completely organizing them. Are the red shirts here just blindly following this trend or do they understand they are part of a communist movement? I believe if you call this a communist movement as it appears to be then I don't believe people would follow this in great numbers. Maybe the Thai do not understand that communism is not necessarily a good thing because they do look at the Nazis with admiration.

Edited February 26, 2011 by Markaew

[otherstuff1957]

I need to ask a question and no I haven't read all the posts in this thread because it has become painfully lengthy. And yes with hesitation I am contributing to that length.

In the Middle East there are many rebellions going on and most or all are wearing red shirts. The communists (wearing red) are heavy involved in those protests if not completely organizing them. Are the red shirts here just blindly following this trend or do they understand they are part of a communist movement? I believe if you call this a communist movement as it appears to be then I don't believe people would follow this in great numbers. Maybe the Thai do not understand that communism is not necessarily a good thing because they do look at the Nazis with admiration.

The Thai Redshirts are a loose coalition of Communists (Red Siam), social reformers (Sombat or whatever his name is), and Thaksinistas. Thaksin's followers are well organized and funded and have roughly similar stated goals to the others, so the first two factions tag along with them. While the first two groups are Red in the Western political sense, I suspect that Thaksin's followers are more likely to associate their red shirts and flags with the Chinese lucky color.

[Markaew]

I need to ask a question and no I haven't read all the posts in this thread because it has become painfully lengthy. And yes with hesitation I am contributing to that length.

In the Middle East there are many rebellions going on and most or all are wearing red shirts. The communists (wearing red) are heavy involved in those protests if not completely organizing them. Are the red shirts here just blindly following this trend or do they understand they are part of a communist movement? I believe if you call this a communist movement as it appears to be then I don't believe people would follow this in great numbers. Maybe the Thai do not understand that communism is not necessarily a good thing because they do look at the Nazis with admiration.

The Thai Redshirts are a loose coalition of Communists (Red Siam), social reformers (Sombat or whatever his name is), and Thaksinistas. Thaksin's followers are well organized and funded and have roughly similar stated goals to the others, so the first two factions tag along with them. While the first two groups are Red in the Western political sense, I suspect that Thaksin's followers are more likely to associate their red shirts and flags with the Chinese lucky color.

I sincerely hope you are correct in the usage of the color.

[metisdead]

Some off topic bickering posts have been removed.

[beano2274]

You're part of the ICC????

Logical really... but if you think the ICC will procede like the Thai courts do you are going to get a rude awakening. You are not actually objecting to the content of what I wrote just a poor attempt at a put down. Try harder next time

A couple of phone calls from the Hague and the answer about citizenship will be known.

It's logical that you're part of the ICC???

Anyway, the citizenship is irrelevant. The ICC won't look at the case anyway. Which part of the "crimes against humanity" description that you posted earlier has Abhisit committed?

There were violent protests. The leaders of those protests are in jail awaiting trial. Next.

Its not for us to decide the legality of the submission, greater honest men than us will do that. I quoted 4 sections, which according to the uncorroborated statements of Amsterdams witnesses, the case may procede. When the submission is made to the ICC the witnesses names will be known and not before, so dont mock the identity of because they are hidden by numbers, there is dark forces operating in Thailand and a few witnesses may take an unscheduled long term holiday in some bridge footings.

Yes there was violence, but we need to know the sequence of events that brought about this violence. If state media is your main source of information you will not get a full picture for obvious reasons. The leaders are in jail awaiting trial.... cant have a trial without being charged first. 9 months in jail and no charges and all legal due to some purposterous Internal security law. Please tell me why The ICC will not look at this case

You must be Mr Amsterdam, I like the quote about 9months in jail without any charges, but America has done this at Guantawno Bay, and the world watched and did nothing, this was a Security Law.

Remember Montenegro is also a signatory of the ICC, and charges have been put to them for actions done by a certain Mr. TS.

[rubl]

... You must be Mr Amsterdam, I like the quote about 9months in jail without any charges ...

On the 9th of August 2010 DSI filed a case against 17 UDD leaders. They are Veera Musikhapong, Jatuporn Prompan, Sathaporn Maneerat, Pichet Sukchindathong, Yoswaris Chuklom or Jeng Dokchik, Nathawut Saikua, Kwanchai Sarakham, Nisit Sinthuprai, Weng Tojirakarn, Somchai Paiboon, Siriwan Nimitsilp, Arisman Pongruangrong, Payap Panket, Suporn Atthawong, Pol Lt-Col Waipot Arpornrat, Wisa Kanthap and Paijit Aksornnarong.