The story that no one has questioned is - why did the guy who was buying feel he needed to go the police when the German was trying to get 10,000 baht only ? What was the background of the guy buying? And why?

Also are the bib convinced that the guy is a forger? Hope they take it to court.

jb1

Millions of fake Baht notes ??????

with the crap on the table and what was listed in the article it looks more like he was scamming the tourist out of money - there is no way he could have made even a single passable Baht note with this stuff

Guess the German needed cash for beer. Of course he's trying to rip this guy off. Weird cops. So what's the evidence now? Black magic???:jap:

In the US If you attempt to sell an illegal drug using a placebo e.g. oregano in place of marijuana; to rip off a purchaser of the illict drugs.

You will still be charged with Transportation, Manufacture, Possesion and Intent to Deliver. If it is near a school zone enforcement enhancements will also apply.

If a maximum is 10 yrs prison it could double, all for 10 oz. of spice.

Many countries have penal codes that closely mirror each other.

Even without knowing the Thai Criminal code and how protective they are of the baht.

This guy will be lucky if he ever sees Germany again.

Thaivisa.com is becoming a cheap tabloid ? .. with diminished credibility every time we are presented with such "Breaking News" that is simply ...

I give up.

I give up too and STOP THE AUTOMATIC MAILING. Don't need to get a mail everytime somebody go toilets.

the thai police caught him with a hewlett packard

“Apprehension of the other gang members is expected soon.”

After reading this thread I can understand why the other gang members are apprehensive. However what do the other members do?

Refill the bottles?

Hold the paper down so it will not curl?

Translate?

Cut out the paper shapes?

Maybe they have the magic liquid that shrinks the printing machine when the bib come!!

Sounds like the old Black Money scam (or wash wash scam)

You do not need "equipment", just some paper, foil and a few bottles of fluid and a gullible idiot.

Google <black money scam>.

There are a number of variations, one involves iodine and vaseline to coat the "notes" and a Vitamin C solution to magically clean them, turning worthless paper into banknotes again.

Rgds

Yep but not usually done with Baht, what's the world coming to ??

what a joke all i can say is typical german tourist_maybe he couldnt get into playschool or kindergarden as the americans call it!!

-its such a old con-"whats he been arrested for supplying coke in bottles and some free spirits-----if the guy had plates which are needed he wouldnt be worrying about 10,000 baht

from some tourist". these scams are very old just like the german==== "as the saying goes if its to good to be true"-then it generally is!!

thailand is the land of smiles not the land of fools.

this is an old time nigerian scam, the put the chemical on the paper which reveals the 1000B notes (real) and then convince the guy who paid the 10,000Baht to invest 100's of thousands of baht because he is so excited. Its a lame magic trick

We always spend out time blaming the Nigerians here. How about exploring how the Nigerians may have learnt the tricks in the first place.

So its no longer to be called Nigerian or African scam, next time hope to term it germano-africano wham bam.

More like it.

So this guy you meet in a bar, in Pattaya, you have never met before offers you the chance to make millions of baht for a lousy 10,000 baht &lt;deleted&gt; !!!!

Now just what F%^$ing idiot thinks that anybody is going to sell you this when they just need to make the MILLIONS they are telling you that you can make if you give them a pittance ?

I'm sorry but some people just deserve to be had over.

Stick with the old proverb

" If it sounds too good to be true then the chances are it is "

Scams like this only work when the greed factor kicks in.

And fortunately the greed factor did not kick in and the guy was not so stupid to believe it, so he went to the police...

The story that no one has questioned is - why did the guy who was buying feel he needed to go the police when the German was trying to get 10,000 baht only ? What was the background of the guy buying? And why?

First of all: he did NOT buy!, and for some people right or wrong is NOT a matter of the amount of money but simply a matter of right or wrong - but that might sound unfamiliar for people who have lived in Thailand for longer than one single visa period.

A common theme in this thread seems to be that if you are naive, you deserve to be scammed. It's disappointing to see that so many people seem to think that way. To most - but not all - of us, most scams are not difficult to detect, but there are also some extremely sophisticated scams that most people are not immediately capable of detecting. Who deserves the suffering - only the ones who 'should have' realised the more obvious of scams, or everyone (no matter how sophisticated the scheme may be)? My view is that all people deserve protection, no matter how gullible they may happen to be. To hold the view that 'he or she deserved it' is to minimise or even legitimise the criminality of the operation itself. Shameful.

Not so, if the offer had been genuine he would have been agreeing to do something illegal, thus even though it is a scam, the intent to commit a crime was in the victim's mind. So in effect a potential criminal was scammed by a more efficient criminal. So why feel sorry for him.

Surly this man only need refute the accusations. Ask the prosecution to demonstrate how it would be possible to produce notes from the materials found on him. I would think it would be hard to print money without plates and proper paper etc.<img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif" alt="" class="bbc_emoticon"> 

It doesn't matter what materials he had. What matters is what he was attempting to do with them. It's called fraud among other things.

What he got caught with, the tourists statement, and whatever information they gathered from the 'sting' (likely more of the same as what he tried with the tourist) is plenty.

bangkokcitylimits says:

<Where's the rest of the gang members ?

Back in their brown uniform again ? >

What a sick kind of members we have among us!

This comment reveals it all.

A common theme in this thread seems to be that if you are naive, you deserve to be scammed. It's disappointing to see that so many people seem to think that way. To most - but not all - of us, most scams are not difficult to detect, but there are also some extremely sophisticated scams that most people are not immediately capable of detecting. Who deserves the suffering - only the ones who 'should have' realised the more obvious of scams, or everyone (no matter how sophisticated the scheme may be)? My view is that all people deserve protection, no matter how gullible they may happen to be. To hold the view that 'he or she deserved it' is to minimise or even legitimise the criminality of the operation itself. Shameful.

Not so, if the offer had been genuine he would have been agreeing to do something illegal, thus even though it is a scam, the intent to commit a crime was in the victim's mind. So in effect a potential criminal was scammed by a more efficient criminal. So why feel sorry for him.

I feel dreadfully sorry for some victims of fraud. There was a news story recently in the UK where a lonely woman had been scammed out of tens of thousands of pounds by a fraudster (purporting to be a US serviceman in Iraq seeking marriage) that she had met on a dating site. A despicable and horrible crime, where the scammer played on the victim's vulnerability and unhappiness.

But other frauds rely on the victim also intending to commit a criminal act, and these victims maybe deserve a little less sympathy, although I would still like to see the scammer caught and prosecuted.

There are some websites such as <419baiter> where people try and waste the time of the fraudsters and "reverse-scam" them. Worth a visit.

Regards

So this guy you meet in a bar, in Pattaya, you have never met before offers you the chance to make millions of baht for a lousy 10,000 baht &lt;deleted&gt; !!!!

Now just what F%^$ing idiot thinks that anybody is going to sell you this when they just need to make the MILLIONS they are telling you that you can make if you give them a pittance ?

I'm sorry but some people just deserve to be had over.

Stick with the old proverb

" If it sounds too good to be true then the chances are it is "

Scams like this only work when the greed factor kicks in.

It seams this guy saw it was a scam. He excepted the offer and then turned the schemer into the police. Good job on his part.

thailand is the land of smiles not the land of fools.

You'll be surprised, newbie.

A common theme in this thread seems to be that if you are naive, you deserve to be scammed. It's disappointing to see that so many people seem to think that way. To most - but not all - of us, most scams are not difficult to detect, but there are also some extremely sophisticated scams that most people are not immediately capable of detecting. Who deserves the suffering - only the ones who 'should have' realised the more obvious of scams, or everyone (no matter how sophisticated the scheme may be)? My view is that all people deserve protection, no matter how gullible they may happen to be. To hold the view that 'he or she deserved it' is to minimise or even legitimise the criminality of the operation itself. Shameful.

While this victim called the scam and involved the police, I believe many others didn't. And yes, they are so stupid that it hurts. "Pay 10,000 Baht and I'll make you rich illegally" - what kind of greedy idiot falls for that?

When I received my first 419 scam letter, it was a real letter on paper. Before the internet. I had never heard of 419 scams, but I read the letter and common sense raised all alarms. I threw the letter away. Later I heard that many people lost money falling for it.

The price of greed, I call it. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for the victims. It's not naivity, it's greed that makes them lose money.

Good call for the intended victims in this case though to call the police and have the perpetrator arrested!

I can't keep up with all these 'new' firearms here we have a HP 6ppm normally it's H&K 11mm, I guess it's a fashion thing?

A common theme in this thread seems to be that if you are naive, you deserve to be scammed. It's disappointing to see that so many people seem to think that way. To most - but not all - of us, most scams are not difficult to detect, but there are also some extremely sophisticated scams that most people are not immediately capable of detecting. Who deserves the suffering - only the ones who 'should have' realised the more obvious of scams, or everyone (no matter how sophisticated the scheme may be)? My view is that all people deserve protection, no matter how gullible they may happen to be. To hold the view that 'he or she deserved it' is to minimise or even legitimise the criminality of the operation itself. Shameful.

While this victim called the scam and involved the police, I believe many others didn't. And yes, they are so stupid that it hurts. "Pay 10,000 Baht and I'll make you rich illegally" - what kind of greedy idiot falls for that?

When I received my first 419 scam letter, it was a real letter on paper. Before the internet. I had never heard of 419 scams, but I read the letter and common sense raised all alarms. I threw the letter away. Later I heard that many people lost money falling for it.

The price of greed, I call it. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for the victims. It's not naivity, it's greed that makes them lose money.

Good call for the intended victims in this case though to call the police and have the perpetrator arrested!

Agreed - but that is not the point I was making.

"

The evidence he was carrying included 3 bottles of chemical solutions, 2 rolls of foil paper, 2 rolls of tape papers, about 1,000 pieces of black and green hard papers cut to the size of a 1,000 baht bank note"

I have all of this at home, may take a few hours to cut "hard papers' because there hard?

then what do I do??

Then you piss on it and wallah!!

"

The evidence he was carrying included 3 bottles of chemical solutions, 2 rolls of foil paper, 2 rolls of tape papers, about 1,000 pieces of black and green hard papers cut to the size of a 1,000 baht bank note"

I have all of this at home, may take a few hours to cut "hard papers' because there hard?

then what do I do??

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well all I can say is ______________________ WELCOME TO PATAYA. Home to all the bums who can't make it in their own country. No wonder Pattaya is so bad.

A common theme in this thread seems to be that if you are naive, you deserve to be scammed. It's disappointing to see that so many people seem to think that way. To most - but not all - of us, most scams are not difficult to detect, but there are also some extremely sophisticated scams that most people are not immediately capable of detecting. Who deserves the suffering - only the ones who 'should have' realised the more obvious of scams, or everyone (no matter how sophisticated the scheme may be)? My view is that all people deserve protection, no matter how gullible they may happen to be. To hold the view that 'he or she deserved it' is to minimise or even legitimise the criminality of the operation itself. Shameful.

Well that is Pattaya for you.

A common theme in this thread seems to be that if you are naive, you deserve to be scammed. It's disappointing to see that so many people seem to think that way. To most - but not all - of us, most scams are not difficult to detect, but there are also some extremely sophisticated scams that most people are not immediately capable of detecting. Who deserves the suffering - only the ones who 'should have' realised the more obvious of scams, or everyone (no matter how sophisticated the scheme may be)? My view is that all people deserve protection, no matter how gullible they may happen to be. To hold the view that 'he or she deserved it' is to minimise or even legitimise the criminality of the operation itself. Shameful.

While this victim called the scam and involved the police, I believe many others didn't. And yes, they are so stupid that it hurts. "Pay 10,000 Baht and I'll make you rich illegally" - what kind of greedy idiot falls for that?

When I received my first 419 scam letter, it was a real letter on paper. Before the internet. I had never heard of 419 scams, but I read the letter and common sense raised all alarms. I threw the letter away. Later I heard that many people lost money falling for it.

The price of greed, I call it. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for the victims. It's not naivity, it's greed that makes them lose money.

Good call for the intended victims in this case though to call the police and have the perpetrator arrested!

Agreed - but that is not the point I was making.

Thre are sophisticated scams, but this is not one of them. Whenever someone approaches you with an offer to make you rich if you help him to something illegal, and you fall for it, you are a victim of your own greed. I am not saying that the offerer is free of guilt, he belongs in jail of course.

However, there are indeed scams that are not so simple. We have read many over here; it used to be popular for travel agents to open offices, collect ticket money in advance from unsuspecting tourists, and suddenly disappear. While the tourists were naive to pay cash up front, I do not blame them.

entrapment, pure and simple. He had been convinced by an undercover that he could forge money with purchasable equipment. Probably was thinking about all his favorite ladies he could visit more frequently.

Does entrapment apply to Thai law?

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Yep, the poor bugger tried to scam someone with an "old fiary tale" scam story.... and he is in now...karma thai style..!