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Posted (edited)

Hi,

I am a luk kryng holding a German and a Thai passport, age >>22. I have two issues with questions. The first is about entering Thailand with my Thai passport. The second one is about leaving Thailand on a Thai passport and entering China with a German passport.

1. Issue

Two years ago I managed to renew my old baby passport at Central BangNa. So far I have never used that new and unstamped Thai passport until last year. At arrival at the airport I headed to the Thai passports immigration counter and handed over my Thai passport. The officer jumped up and said the ticket was on German passport (I did check in on my German passport), he needed to see. I gave him, he pressed his security button under the table but nobody to come. He then took me with him to another counter where another officer explained me in English that I must use only one passport when I come to Thailand. He then asked me if I want to stay long or short time, I told him short time (2 weeks) and used my German passport then. I was not sure what exactly was his meaning, would he have granted me entry with my Thai passport or was it the indirect hint to use my western passport?

Back in Germany I got some information on that experience from official side:

* Trouble when entering with a blank passport without any visa from Germany

* Better go there using my western passport

* Try next time to buy the flight ticket on my Thai passport

Browsing through this forum I discovered the following information:

* Entry to Thailand on a new Thai passport without any stamps and visas is a problem

* Also you have to leave on the same passport as you came (so enter with German passport and leave with Thai passport to get a stamp is also troublesome)

So it is rather contradicting and confusing. At the airport I have seen many people with Thai passport and another one, how they do it? How can I manage to enter Thailand next time on my Thai passport? Its hard to believe that I will be unable to enter Thailand and stay with a Thai passport.

2. Issue

In addition here is the second issue. I do have plans to move on to China after some month. Supposed I leave Thailand on a Thai passport (after having successfully entered with it) for China with a China visa in my German passport, will there be trouble with the Chinese immigration? There will be two airline check-in possibilities then: 1. check in at SVbhumi with German passport, will Thai immigration see it and rise trouble? 2. check in at SVbhumi with my Thai passport, how will Chinese immigration handle it when I drop by with a German passport? Or they just care about if there is a valid passport with a valid visa for their country? Does it matter where I obtained that visa then, either Germany or Bangkok?

Many detailed questions, I appreciate your advise.

Thanks in advance

Jay

Edited by Journeyman8000
Posted

I am surprised - aside from your questions - that you can hold two citizenships. I always thought , that when a luk krung turns 18, he/she must decide which one of the two citizenships he/she prefers, and reject the other one. As far as I know, German authorities do not allow multiple citizenships.

Posted

Thais are allowed dual citizenship; both my wife and daughter have Thai and British nationality.

Children who have Thai and another nationality have the option of renouncing their Thai or other nationality when they turn 18, but it is not compulsory and I do not know of anyone who has done so.

I'm not sure about German nationality law.

With regard to entering and leaving Thailand, always use your Thai passport. Entering Thailand with a foreign passport, even if a Thai national as well, means you forfeit all your rights as a Thai citizen whilst there, you will be treated as a foreigner.

How to do it? Simply show Thai immigration your Thai passport.

The procedure my wife and daughter (and thousands of other dual nationals) follow is:-

Checking in with airline to leave UK; show Thai passport so the airline know they will be allowed into Thailand.

UK passport control; show British passport to show they have not overstayed in the UK.

Thai immigration on arrival; show Thai passport.

Checking in with airline to leave Thailand; show British passport so the airline know they will be allowed into the UK.

Thai immigration; show Thai passport to show they have not overstayed in Thailand.

UK immigration on arrival; show British passport.

Simple. You simply use your German passport where they use their British ones.

As for China; use whichever passport gives you the most advantage; easier visa, longer stay etc.

Posted

I am surprised - aside from your questions - that you can hold two citizenships. I always thought , that when a luk krung turns 18, he/she must decide which one of the two citizenships he/she prefers, and reject the other one. As far as I know, German authorities do not allow multiple citizenships.

Well, they apparently do:

"Kinder mit einem deutschen und einem ausländischen Elternteil oder einem oder beiden Elternteilen mit doppelter Staatsangehörigkeit erhalten in der Regel bereits mit der Geburt nach dem Abstammungsprinzip die Staatsangehörigkeiten beider Eltern. "

Children with a German and a foreign parent or one or both parents with double nationality obtain usually already at birth the parents nationality according to the principle of origin.

Source: www[dot]bmi[dot]bund[dot]de/SharedDocs/FAQs/DE/Themen/Migration/Staatsang/Doppelte_Staatsangehoerigkeit_Mehrstaatigkeit.html

The point of my posting were concerns regarding Thai immigration and how to use my Thai passport.

Posted

Thais are allowed dual citizenship; both my wife and daughter have Thai and British nationality.

Children who have Thai and another nationality have the option of renouncing their Thai or other nationality when they turn 18, but it is not compulsory and I do not know of anyone who has done so.

I'm not sure about German nationality law.

With regard to entering and leaving Thailand, always use your Thai passport. Entering Thailand with a foreign passport, even if a Thai national as well, means you forfeit all your rights as a Thai citizen whilst there, you will be treated as a foreigner.

How to do it? Simply show Thai immigration your Thai passport.

The procedure my wife and daughter (and thousands of other dual nationals) follow is:-

Checking in with airline to leave UK; show Thai passport so the airline know they will be allowed into Thailand.

UK passport control; show British passport to show they have not overstayed in the UK.

Thai immigration on arrival; show Thai passport.

Checking in with airline to leave Thailand; show British passport so the airline know they will be allowed into the UK.

Thai immigration; show Thai passport to show they have not overstayed in Thailand.

UK immigration on arrival; show British passport.

Simple. You simply use your German passport where they use their British ones.

As for China; use whichever passport gives you the most advantage; easier visa, longer stay etc.

Just do it, got it. Thank you!

Posted

I am surprised - aside from your questions - that you can hold two citizenships. I always thought , that when a luk krung turns 18, he/she must decide which one of the two citizenships he/she prefers, and reject the other one. As far as I know, German authorities do not allow multiple citizenships.

Thai law states that a child with Thai citizenship who was also born to a foreign parent has the option of renouncing Thai citizenship between ages 20 and 21 only.

There is no penalty if you do not choose, and in fact, most don't without penalty.

It is perfectly fine to enter Thailand on a blank passport. My sister entered on her London issued Thai passport (blank) a few years back with no issues whatsoever.

It can cause some immigration officers to have heart palpatations however, as many expect to see an 'exit' stamp from Thailand to stamp the 'entry' stamp next to.

Not to worry, if you have any problems insist, insist, insist that you speak to a supervisor who will overide the immigration officer and allow you entry on your Thai passport, which is your right.

And when you leave thailand, leave on the Thai passport.

Posted

We recently attended the Thai embassy in London to have our son's passport renewed and the embassy employee was most insistent that he should be registered on a tabien baan in Thailand for the new passport to be issued, which he isn't. After a bit of verbal to-ing and fro-ing, the clerk said that he'd relent on this occasion, but in five years' time our son won't be able to renew his passport unless he appears on a tabien baan.

It's not clear whether this was another instance of a bureaucrat making up rules as they go along, or official policy. He commented that there was concern at the number of "foreign Thai" with no connection to Thailand itself.

Scouse.

Posted

My daughter renewed her Thai passport at the Thai embassy in Kensington just before Christmas, and she was asked to supply a copy of the Tabien Baan on which she was registered. Fortunately she is registered at the address of our house in Bangkok.

Didn't have this problem the last time she renewed, but she was under 16 at that time (she's now 20) so wouldn't have been on a TB anyway.

Posted

Scouse - all a bit strange what happened. I certainly was able to renew three passports via canberra without being on the tabieen baan right up till my late 20's. But they were the old style passports.

I guess moving to e-passports might have something to do with it, but it seems they can still process them without being on the TB, as happened to you

Posted

And having a son makes it all a bit different in that we don't want him going in to the national service lottery; the corollary being that we'll have to pay someone off to get him absolved.

The reality is that our son will eschew his Thai nationality should those authorities make it too difficult for him to stake his claim to it. After all, it's not the be-all-and-end-all: just something that's "nice" to have.

Scouse.

Posted

The only thing he might have to give up is the use of the thai pp for a period of time if they insist on seeing his tabieen baan. He'll always be a Thai citizen.

My guess is that in 5 years you'll come across someone new at the embassy who won't care about the tabien baan. And if the do care, the articulate man you are you'll convince them otherwise.

  • 5 months later...
Posted

Thais are allowed dual citizenship; both my wife and daughter have Thai and British nationality.

Children who have Thai and another nationality have the option of renouncing their Thai or other nationality when they turn 18, but it is not compulsory and I do not know of anyone who has done so.

I'm not sure about German nationality law.

With regard to entering and leaving Thailand, always use your Thai passport. Entering Thailand with a foreign passport, even if a Thai national as well, means you forfeit all your rights as a Thai citizen whilst there, you will be treated as a foreigner.

How to do it? Simply show Thai immigration your Thai passport.

The procedure my wife and daughter (and thousands of other dual nationals) follow is:-

Checking in with airline to leave UK; show Thai passport so the airline know they will be allowed into Thailand.

UK passport control; show British passport to show they have not overstayed in the UK.

Thai immigration on arrival; show Thai passport.

Checking in with airline to leave Thailand; show British passport so the airline know they will be allowed into the UK.

Thai immigration; show Thai passport to show they have not overstayed in Thailand.

UK immigration on arrival; show British passport.

Simple. You simply use your German passport where they use their British ones.

As for China; use whichever passport gives you the most advantage; easier visa, longer stay etc.

Just do it, got it. Thank you!

I followed your advise and after some discussion at the Immigration I got in on my Thai passport. It was about a missing exit stamp. However, the officer noted a remark beside the entry stamp about the exit stamp being in my foreign passport. Im wondering why it was so important to write it down. Will there always be discussion now at the Immigration?

Posted

I think Germany does not have dual nationality, my children are both English and German, but at the age of 18 they had to decide to be either German or English.

Posted

I am surprised - aside from your questions - that you can hold two citizenships. I always thought , that when a luk krung turns 18, he/she must decide which one of the two citizenships he/she prefers, and reject the other one. As far as I know, German authorities do not allow multiple citizenships.

Germany does allow dual citizenship for children born after jan 1, 1977 having one german parent.

Posted

I think Germany does not have dual nationality, my children are both English and German, but at the age of 18 they had to decide to be either German or English.

wrong thinking.

Posted

I think Germany does not have dual nationality, my children are both English and German, but at the age of 18 they had to decide to be either German or English.

wrong thinking.

Am surprised, thanks for that. Maybe it was because of the rules regarding conscription.

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