webfact Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Jatuporn Claims Validity of VDO Clip to be Revealed in Censure Debate An MP from the Pheu Thai Party has confirmed that the clip to be shown during the censure debate has not been edited. He also announced that the leaders of the red-shirt movement, recently released on bail, are ready to lead the demonstration on March 12. Pheu Thai Party MP Jatuporn Prompan, also one of the core leaders of the red-shirt Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship or DAAD, said the seven leaders recently released on bail are ready to lead the demonstration on March 12. He added that former premier Thaksin Shinawatra will phone-in to talk to the demonstrators. Jatuporn confirmed that a video clip to be released by the Pheu Thai Party in the censure debate, expected to discredit the government, has not been edited as accused by Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban. He urged everyone to wait for evidence the Opposition party will reveal during the censure debate before accusing the party of editing the video clip. He said there will be seven debaters clarifying the case including Chalerm Yubamrung, Anudit Nakorntap, Vorawat Auapinyakul, and Wichean Khaokum. Meanwhile, the Opposition expressed no concern over the reduction in the length of the debate. Interior Minister Chavarat Charnvirakul, and leader of the Bhumjaithai Party, will be the first to be grilled by the Opposition. In addition, Jatuporn said it is inappropriate for the Center for the Administration of Peace and Order to prohibit traffic near the prime minister's home, which he claims has troubled neighboring residence and businesses. He added that the Election Commission's order to declare the invocation of Internal Security Act in election zones is inappropriate. -- Tan Network 2011-03-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Just like the "leaked" DSI document... Just like the video footage of the judges... Just like the captions applied to the original photos showing Facebook CWT photos during the fire and the aftermath... Not like these guys to tamper with evidence. Not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macmundi Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Someone shut that clown Jatuporn up. His mouth is always open!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sungod Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 'In addition, Jatuporn said it is inappropriate for the Center for the Administration of Peace and Order to prohibit traffic near the prime minister's home, which he claims has troubled neighboring residence and businesses. ' You got to love this guy, he just exposes himself more and more as a buffoon with statements like that. Like the UDD didn't and still continue to 'not' affect businesses.If the UDD leadership had more control over the thugs campaigning for 'Democracy' (do they even understand what it is?)then they wouldn't have to bar them from areas. You just know that these groups of thugs are going to turn up all over the country disrupting and barracking rival parties on the campaign trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) Just like the "leaked" DSI document... Just like the video footage of the judges... Just like the captions applied to the original photos showing Facebook CWT photos during the fire and the aftermath... Not like these guys to tamper with evidence. Not at all. Could also include that during the last censure debate, a previous Jatuporn-doctoring of tape: In a long response to charges levelled at him in the morning, Abhisit pounced on the red-shirt leaders' softest spot - their repeated use of a doctored voice clip to spawn hatred against him. The Nation Published on June 2, 2010 http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=371137&view=findpost&p=3659632 AND additionally, he's also dragged in other countries with yet another of his fabrications: The Thai-Cambodian diplomatic row grew more complicated yesterday when Cambodian Defence Minister Tea Banh strongly criticised a Thai red-shirt leader for "making up" a story about a secret tape involving the Thai foreign minister. Tea Banh and Cambodia's Foreign Ministry yesterday rejected the claim by Jatuporn Promphan that Cambodian officials had taped a phone conversation between Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya and a diplomat in Phnom Penh over former PM Thaksin Shinawatra's flight plan. The Nation, Kom Chad Luek Published on November 20, 2009 http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=315281&view=findpost&p=3151908 Edited March 10, 2011 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) 'In addition, Jatuporn said it is inappropriate for the Center for the Administration of Peace and Order to prohibit traffic near the prime minister's home, which he claims has troubled neighboring residence and businesses. ' You got to love this guy, he just exposes himself more and more as a buffoon with statements like that. Like the UDD didn't and still continue to 'not' affect businesses.If the UDD leadership had more control over the thugs campaigning for 'Democracy' (do they even understand what it is?)then they wouldn't have to bar them from areas. You just know that these groups of thugs are going to turn up all over the country disrupting and barracking rival parties on the campaign trail. Wondering if any of Abhisit's neighboring residences and businesses were "troubled" by his Red Shirts tossing HIV+ blood around their neighborhood : . Edited March 10, 2011 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I think he got things backwards -- first he presents proof that the evidence is real, then he level the charges against the government in the censure debate. What is it he will 'reveal' during the debate, that he thinks the evidence is real? I would hope he does if he even brings it up...unless it is all a propaganda-exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 So in short Jatuporn will produce another video clip that will be lapped up by the red members/PTPers and Thaksinistas and regarded with suspicion by neutrals and disbelieved by government supporters. The red leaders are all going to show they are still part of the alliance and Thaksin is still the main event at red events. Nothing new. Same as every censure. Same as every red event. Very boring. Thai politics is still stuck with the discredited lunatics at the helm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted March 10, 2011 Author Share Posted March 10, 2011 House panel to check video tapes before censure By The Nation House Speaker Chai Chidchob has assigned a panel to check video tapes and other evidence submitted by theopposition for the next week's censure debate, Democrat MP Warong Dechgitvikrom said on Thursday. "Despite the opposition's objection to the checks, Chai has invoked his mandate to verify the evidence in order to avoid confusing the public," he said. Warong said his main opposition party has nominated three Democrats to sit on the panel. The three are Wiratana Kalayasiri, Sirichok Sopha and Atavit Suwannapakdee. Panel members from the opposition and the House Secretariat have yet to be nominated. -- The Nation 2011-03-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 House panel to check video tapes before censure By The Nation House Speaker Chai Chidchob has assigned a panel to check video tapes and other evidence submitted by theopposition for the next week's censure debate, Democrat MP Warong Dechgitvikrom said on Thursday. "Despite the opposition's objection to the checks, Chai has invoked his mandate to verify the evidence in order to avoid confusing the public," he said. Warong said his main opposition party has nominated three Democrats to sit on the panel. The three are Wiratana Kalayasiri, Sirichok Sopha and Atavit Suwannapakdee. Panel members from the opposition and the House Secretariat have yet to be nominated. -- The Nation 2011-03-10 Now why would they object if it was real? Surely to have them passed by a panel of their peers as genuine would lend credability to their claims. But then again they can blame no one but themselves if there are doubts considering the things already mentioned. There are also the things they have said they will produce and never did to add to those doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriosAsia Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) <br><br>'In addition, Jatuporn said it is inappropriate for the Center for the Administration of Peace and Order to prohibit traffic near the prime minister's home, which he claims has troubled neighboring residence and businesses. '<br><br>You got to love this guy, he just exposes himself more and more as a buffoon with statements like that. Like the UDD didn't and still continue to 'not' affect businesses.If the UDD leadership had more control over the thugs campaigning for 'Democracy' (do they even understand what it is?)then they wouldn't have to bar them from areas. You just know that these groups of thugs are going to turn up all over the country disrupting and barracking rival parties on the campaign trail.<br><br><br>Wondering if any of Abhisit's neighboring residences and businesses were "troubled" by his Red Shirts tossing HIV+ blood around their neighborhood :<br><br> <br><br>.<br><br>I'm neutral, i dont care politics and colors but I think post like this are over the decent limit and must removed.<br><br>Than is also derogatory for the people sick of HIV...what next make post derogatory for black, mentally ill people, handicapped?Thank you Edited March 10, 2011 by AriosAsia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 'In addition, Jatuporn said it is inappropriate for the Center for the Administration of Peace and Order to prohibit traffic near the prime minister's home, which he claims has troubled neighboring residence and businesses.' You got to love this guy, he just exposes himself more and more as a buffoon with statements like that. Like the UDD didn't and still continue to 'not' affect businesses.If the UDD leadership had more control over the thugs campaigning for 'Democracy' (do they even understand what it is?)then they wouldn't have to bar them from areas. You just know that these groups of thugs are going to turn up all over the country disrupting and barracking rival parties on the campaign trail. Wondering if any of Abhisit's neighboring residences and businesses were "troubled" by his Red Shirts tossing HIV+ blood around their neighborhood : I'm neutral, i dont care politics and colors but I think post like this are over the decent limit and must removed. Than is also derogatory for the people sick of HIV...what next make post derogatory for black, mentally ill people, handicapped? Thank you Why do you feel it's derogatory for the people with HIV? The blood used for dousing of Abhisit's neighborhood was untested. In the interest of public safety, medical protocol and standards policy dictate that ALL untested blood is presumed to be HIV+ until shown otherwise (eg. through testing). In the absence of testing, it is therefore presumed that the blood the Red Shirts were haphazardly sloshing around Bangkok is HIV+. It is in no way derogatory to those unfortunate victims of HIV to say so. Hopefully, the Red Shirts antics didn't exacerbate the plight of those infected by infecting more. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Unless the video is playing back from the original source it has been edited. Just anotherr Jatuporn lie. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janverbeem Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Short summary of the OP. Blah blah blah blah. we are looking for trouble because that our only objective. Bullshit bullshit .....more bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTumTiger Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 TV does love their Jatuporn threads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Just like the "leaked" DSI document... Just like the video footage of the judges... Just like the captions applied to the original photos showing Facebook CWT photos during the fire and the aftermath... Not like these guys to tamper with evidence. Not at all. Agree some of this stuff was deliberately misleading. OK, the judges videos were described in a highly misleading way, although the videos did genuinely expose corruption in the CC and the Dem MP did genuinely meet the secretary to the court, set-up or not. Captions, well someone on FB did that, not Jatuporn, so why blame him? Or did you just mean red supporters in general? And what was wrong with the leaked DSI documents? I haven't seen anyone refute their authenticity yet. Jatuporn documents matched what Reuters reported and they claimed they got hold of the documents before Jatuporn did. Didn't Tharit actually admit they were leaked? In fact, the National Security Council's Secretary-General Tawin Pleansri said as much, and it seems unlikely he'd lie on behalf of the red shirts: "Water melon soldiers and tomato police Tawin said that nothing could be done about this. Information from the DSI sent to the police has been leaked, and has been exposed by Jatuporn Phrompan." (http://www.prachatai3.info/english/node/2223) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I think the reds are desperate. The election is not to far away and the reds know they will lose if they don´t manage to defame the govenment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Songkran's coming, time for riots. They are going to have a tough time to top the last round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) Just like the "leaked" DSI document... Just like the video footage of the judges... Just like the captions applied to the original photos showing Facebook CWT photos during the fire and the aftermath... Not like these guys to tamper with evidence. Not at all. Agree some of this stuff was deliberately misleading. OK, the judges videos were described in a highly misleading way, although the videos did genuinely expose corruption in the CC and the Dem MP did genuinely meet the secretary to the court, set-up or not. Captions, well someone on FB did that, not Jatuporn, so why blame him? Or did you just mean red supporters in general? And what was wrong with the leaked DSI documents? I haven't seen anyone refute their authenticity yet. Jatuporn documents matched what Reuters reported and they claimed they got hold of the documents before Jatuporn did. Didn't Tharit actually admit they were leaked? In fact, the National Security Council's Secretary-General Tawin Pleansri said as much, and it seems unlikely he'd lie on behalf of the red shirts: "Water melon soldiers and tomato police Tawin said that nothing could be done about this. Information from the DSI sent to the police has been leaked, and has been exposed by Jatuporn Phrompan." (http://www.prachatai3.info/english/node/2223) Get any document forgery expert to take a close look at page 15 and the pages onwards of the "leaked" documents. If you can't get an expert, get somebody who has done a weekend course. They don't even need to understand Thaiscript (although being able to spot the numeric bullet points will help). There are several indications page 15 doesn't belong to the original report, as I understand was also stated by the DSI when the leaked documents first came to light. My guess is the underlined part page 15 states the infamous (and amazing) conclusion that the army were to blame for the deaths in the temple. I'm blaming Jutaporn because he intends on using such "evidence" for the red shirt cause against the dems, regardless of its questionable authenticity. Edited March 10, 2011 by Insight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Get any document forgery expert to take a close look at page 15 and the pages onwards of the "leaked" documents. If you can't get an expert, get somebody who has done a weekend course. They don't even need to understand Thaiscript (although being able to spot the numeric bullet points will help). There are several indications page 15 doesn't belong to the original report, as I understand was also stated by the DSI when the leaked documents first came to light. My guess is the underlined part page 15 states the infamous (and amazing) conclusion that the army were to blame for the deaths in the temple. I'm blaming Jutaporn because he intends on using such "evidence" for the red shirt cause against the dems, regardless of its questionable authenticity. Not much chance of me being able to find a document forgery expert. I don't remember the DSI claiming that page 15 doesn't belong to the report though. Anyway, the leaked document claimed the army were likely responsible for three deaths, yet my friend who reads Thai perfectly (though he's farang) claims the evidence throughout the document points to the fact that soldiers almost certainly killed all 6, so he finds the conclusion of the report bizarre. Not sure if it was on page 15 or not, but I'll ask later. Why do you find the conclusion "amazing" anyway? Sarcasm? There was a video of the soldiers on the skytrain tracks, plus the admission from a military source printed in the BP (see Wassana 25/05/10) that special forces were on the tracks outside the temple, and at least one independent journalist, Buncombe (I think?), was in the temple and suggested that that's where the shots were coming from. Unlike much of the other evidence presented by Jatuporn, these DSI docs haven't really been questioned by the media, I've only seen references accepting them pretty much as fact, which tells its own story, given how skeptical the Post and Nation are of the red shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriosAsia Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 'In addition, Jatuporn said it is inappropriate for the Center for the Administration of Peace and Order to prohibit traffic near the prime minister's home, which he claims has troubled neighboring residence and businesses.' You got to love this guy, he just exposes himself more and more as a buffoon with statements like that. Like the UDD didn't and still continue to 'not' affect businesses.If the UDD leadership had more control over the thugs campaigning for 'Democracy' (do they even understand what it is?)then they wouldn't have to bar them from areas. You just know that these groups of thugs are going to turn up all over the country disrupting and barracking rival parties on the campaign trail. Wondering if any of Abhisit's neighboring residences and businesses were "troubled" by his Red Shirts tossing HIV+ blood around their neighborhood : I'm neutral, i dont care politics and colors but I think post like this are over the decent limit and must removed. Than is also derogatory for the people sick of HIV...what next make post derogatory for black, mentally ill people, handicapped? Thank you Why do you feel it's derogatory for the people with HIV? The blood used for dousing of Abhisit's neighborhood was untested. In the interest of public safety, medical protocol and standards policy dictate that ALL untested blood is presumed to be HIV+ until shown otherwise (eg. through testing). In the absence of testing, it is therefore presumed that the blood the Red Shirts were haphazardly sloshing around Bangkok is HIV+. It is in no way derogatory to those unfortunate victims of HIV to say so. Hopefully, the Red Shirts antics didn't exacerbate the plight of those infected by infecting more. Thank you. Sir are your word that put people sick in the wrong position, you understand very well you use °HIV° like something derogatory. Dont ° presume° or I can presume something derogatory about you.........now you understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Get any document forgery expert to take a close look at page 15 and the pages onwards of the "leaked" documents. If you can't get an expert, get somebody who has done a weekend course. They don't even need to understand Thaiscript (although being able to spot the numeric bullet points will help). There are several indications page 15 doesn't belong to the original report, as I understand was also stated by the DSI when the leaked documents first came to light. My guess is the underlined part page 15 states the infamous (and amazing) conclusion that the army were to blame for the deaths in the temple. I'm blaming Jutaporn because he intends on using such "evidence" for the red shirt cause against the dems, regardless of its questionable authenticity. Not much chance of me being able to find a document forgery expert. I don't remember the DSI claiming that page 15 doesn't belong to the report though. Anyway, the leaked document claimed the army were likely responsible for three deaths, yet my friend who reads Thai perfectly (though he's farang) claims the evidence throughout the document points to the fact that soldiers almost certainly killed all 6, so he finds the conclusion of the report bizarre. Not sure if it was on page 15 or not, but I'll ask later. Why do you find the conclusion "amazing" anyway? Sarcasm? There was a video of the soldiers on the skytrain tracks, plus the admission from a military source printed in the BP (see Wassana 25/05/10) that special forces were on the tracks outside the temple, and at least one independent journalist, Buncombe (I think?), was in the temple and suggested that that's where the shots were coming from. Unlike much of the other evidence presented by Jatuporn, these DSI docs haven't really been questioned by the media, I've only seen references accepting them pretty much as fact, which tells its own story, given how skeptical the Post and Nation are of the red shirts. Google "Tharit contests killings report" "I can confirm that the details from the alleged leak [said to be from the police] and our own information are not the same," Mr Tharit said yesterday. He said the investigations into the deaths were continuing and the DSI had yet to reach any conclusions. Legal procedures aimed at uncovering the truth should be allowed to take their course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) Wondering if any of Abhisit's neighboring residences and businesses were "troubled" by his Red Shirts tossing HIV+ blood around their neighborhood : I'm neutral, i dont care politics and colors but I think post like this are over the decent limit and must removed. Than is also derogatory for the people sick of HIV...what next make post derogatory for black, mentally ill people, handicapped? Thank you Why do you feel it's derogatory for the people with HIV? The blood used for dousing of Abhisit's neighborhood was untested. In the interest of public safety, medical protocol and standards policy dictate that ALL untested blood is presumed to be HIV+ until shown otherwise (eg. through testing). In the absence of testing, it is therefore presumed that the blood the Red Shirts were haphazardly sloshing around Bangkok is HIV+. It is in no way derogatory to those unfortunate victims of HIV to say so. Hopefully, the Red Shirts antics didn't exacerbate the plight of those infected by infecting more. Thank you. Sir are your word that put people sick in the wrong position, you understand very well you use °HIV° like something derogatory. It was not put as something derogatory, it was put as something dangerous. Throwing blood products around is dangerous. AIDS is a dangerous disease. It is not derogatorily used in my post. quote 'AriosAsia' Dont ° presume° or I can presume something derogatory about you.........now you understand? unquote It's not "I" that is presuming. It is the medical community that establishes guidelines for working with blood products. It may be overly cautious of them to presume that is the situation, but the potential lethality of being lackadaisical in applying this policy standard has serious repercussions and so therefore is entirely understandable. There's a very good reason why all blood being donated for medical purposes is tested (for several conditions in addition to HIV) before it's put into the system. . Edited March 10, 2011 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 From the OP:Jatuporn confirmed that a video clip to be released by the Pheu Thai Party in the censure debate, expected to discredit the government, has not been edited as accused by Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban. Rumour has it the video clip has been extensively studied by foreign expert Joe Ray Witty, found to be true and reported to the ICC. Unfortunately the ICC is prejudiced, they like to look at African cases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiawatcher Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 So in short Jatuporn will produce another video clip that will be lapped up by the red members/PTPers and Thaksinistas and regarded with suspicion by neutrals and disbelieved by government supporters. The red leaders are all going to show they are still part of the alliance and Thaksin is still the main event at red events. Nothing new. Same as every censure. Same as every red event. Very boring. Thai politics is still stuck with the discredited lunatics at the helm Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
featography Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 'In addition, Jatuporn said it is inappropriate for the Center for the Administration of Peace and Order to prohibit traffic near the prime minister's home, which he claims has troubled neighboring residence and businesses.' You got to love this guy, he just exposes himself more and more as a buffoon with statements like that. Like the UDD didn't and still continue to 'not' affect businesses.If the UDD leadership had more control over the thugs campaigning for 'Democracy' (do they even understand what it is?)then they wouldn't have to bar them from areas. You just know that these groups of thugs are going to turn up all over the country disrupting and barracking rival parties on the campaign trail. Wondering if any of Abhisit's neighboring residences and businesses were "troubled" by his Red Shirts tossing HIV+ blood around their neighborhood : I'm neutral, i dont care politics and colors but I think post like this are over the decent limit and must removed. Than is also derogatory for the people sick of HIV...what next make post derogatory for black, mentally ill people, handicapped? Thank you Why do you feel it's derogatory for the people with HIV? The blood used for dousing of Abhisit's neighborhood was untested. In the interest of public safety, medical protocol and standards policy dictate that ALL untested blood is presumed to be HIV+ until shown otherwise (eg. through testing). In the absence of testing, it is therefore presumed that the blood the Red Shirts were haphazardly sloshing around Bangkok is HIV+. It is in no way derogatory to those unfortunate victims of HIV to say so. Hopefully, the Red Shirts antics didn't exacerbate the plight of those infected by infecting more. Thank you. Did I miss the part about proof that it is human blood they were throwing around? Go to any one of a multitude of talads and you will find animal blood sold by the litres, for cooking. Unless someone can show evidence otherwise, I give the benefit of the doubt to the Reds. They wouldn't jepordize infecting their own, with untested human blood. Think about it. Its a lot easier buying animal blood than it is drawing blood from how many hundred volunteers? I think I would be more worried about Anthrax, Hoof and Mouth, Mad Cow Disease.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) Did I miss the part about proof that it is human blood they were throwing around? Go to any one of a multitude of talads and you will find animal blood sold by the litres, for cooking. Unless someone can show evidence otherwise, I give the benefit of the doubt to the Reds. They wouldn't jepordize infecting their own, with untested human blood. Think about it. Its a lot easier buying animal blood than it is drawing blood from how many hundred volunteers? I think I would be more worried about Anthrax, Hoof and Mouth, Mad Cow Disease.......... They certainly made a big show about collecting blood, even off children. Did they just throw that blood away (I mean besides on the steps of government house and Abhisit's gate)? There was animal blood mixed with it, although that was denied by the red shirts at the time. I do remember reports that the blood was actually tested and shown to be HIV+. I'll have to do some searching to find that report. Edited March 11, 2011 by whybother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Get any document forgery expert to take a close look at page 15 and the pages onwards of the "leaked" documents. If you can't get an expert, get somebody who has done a weekend course. They don't even need to understand Thaiscript (although being able to spot the numeric bullet points will help). There are several indications page 15 doesn't belong to the original report, as I understand was also stated by the DSI when the leaked documents first came to light. My guess is the underlined part page 15 states the infamous (and amazing) conclusion that the army were to blame for the deaths in the temple. I'm blaming Jutaporn because he intends on using such "evidence" for the red shirt cause against the dems, regardless of its questionable authenticity. Not much chance of me being able to find a document forgery expert. I don't remember the DSI claiming that page 15 doesn't belong to the report though. Anyway, the leaked document claimed the army were likely responsible for three deaths, yet my friend who reads Thai perfectly (though he's farang) claims the evidence throughout the document points to the fact that soldiers almost certainly killed all 6, so he finds the conclusion of the report bizarre. Not sure if it was on page 15 or not, but I'll ask later. Why do you find the conclusion "amazing" anyway? Sarcasm? There was a video of the soldiers on the skytrain tracks, plus the admission from a military source printed in the BP (see Wassana 25/05/10) that special forces were on the tracks outside the temple, and at least one independent journalist, Buncombe (I think?), was in the temple and suggested that that's where the shots were coming from. Unlike much of the other evidence presented by Jatuporn, these DSI docs haven't really been questioned by the media, I've only seen references accepting them pretty much as fact, which tells its own story, given how skeptical the Post and Nation are of the red shirts. Google "Tharit contests killings report" "I can confirm that the details from the alleged leak [said to be from the police] and our own information are not the same," Mr Tharit said yesterday. He said the investigations into the deaths were continuing and the DSI had yet to reach any conclusions. Legal procedures aimed at uncovering the truth should be allowed to take their course. Apologies about quoting myself Emptyset, but how did you get on with your friend? There's now two sources of photographic and video evidence which seem to depict people wearing army fatigues (who do not appear to be army personal) occupying Ratchathei and Siam skytrain stations on May 19th. Both stations surround the temple where the shootings occurred. I recall Pryuth stating their troops did not get as far as Siam via the BTS track as they encountered resistance at Ratchathei station. Given such evidence I do find the alleged "conclusion" that the army were solely to blame for the deaths at the temple very amazing indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
featography Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Did I miss the part about proof that it is human blood they were throwing around? Go to any one of a multitude of talads and you will find animal blood sold by the litres, for cooking. Unless someone can show evidence otherwise, I give the benefit of the doubt to the Reds. They wouldn't jepordize infecting their own, with untested human blood. Think about it. Its a lot easier buying animal blood than it is drawing blood from how many hundred volunteers? I think I would be more worried about Anthrax, Hoof and Mouth, Mad Cow Disease.......... They certainly made a big show about collecting blood, even off children. Did they just throw that blood away (I mean besides on the steps of government house and Abhisit's gate)? There was animal blood mixed with it, although that was denied by the red shirts at the time. I do remember reports that the blood was actually tested and shown to be HIV+. I'll have to do some searching to find that report. thanks, maybe I did miss something. If you find it, I would like to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted March 11, 2011 Author Share Posted March 11, 2011 Opposition's tapes on riots show nothing new: Sirichok By The Nation The video tapes on the arson attack at Central World last year were not new evidence as claimed by the opposition, Democrat MP Sirichok Sopha said on Friday. Sirichok was speaking in his capacity as a panel member to check evidence for the next week's censure debate. The opposition said the video tapes, recorded by security cameras, would prove the soldiers, dressed as men in black, were responsbile for the arson right after the crackdown on the red shirts last year's May 19. Sirichok countered that the tapes, which the opposition would show during the censure, and those posted on various Websites, offered no additional informations. "I think the opposition should speak the truth instead of trying to distort the facts like it did at the previous censure," he said. Video tapes, recorded by police and business proprietors at Ratchaprasong, showed the culprits and how they set fire to the shopping complex, he said, hinting at the involvement of the red guards. -- The Nation 2011-03-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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