Us Citizen Children Leaving Thailand For The First

[Bigtodd]

Hello to all. I'm trying to get a straight answer from someone who really knows about first time departures from Thailand for children. My one year old son has a U.S. passport and birth certificate issued in the Chiang Mai US Consulate. It has never been used to leave Thailand. Since then me and my girlfriend of broken up and I have his U.S. PP and and original birth certificates (both Thai and U.S.). She has his Thai PP. What more documents (if any) do I need to board the plane and leave thailand with my son? He is a US citizen after al, l can't we just go? The girlfriend drifts in and out and I doubt she'd write a permission document. Is my son trapped in Thailand even though he is a US citizen?

[gosompoi]

To leave Thailand and to enter the United States all you need the US passport nothing else. I left Thailand alone twice with my young daughter and presented my daughters US Passport and my US passport to Thai immigration at swampy airport upon leaving. I provided nothing else and except our joint airline tickets. They placed an exit stamp in my daughter's and my passport and set us on our way. Upon entering the USA at LAX I again presented both US passports and was welcomed home with no questions. Only on returning to Thailand did I present my daughters Thai passport and again just a stamp quickly placed in the passport and smile. Since there are no overstay fines for children it is worry free. If you want a replacement Thai passport once you are in the United States this can be done at a Thai Consulate or Embassy if you have a copy of Thai birth certificate. When you were applied for your child's US passport at the US Embassy both parents had to sign permission to travel and permission to issue the passport. Your X already gave her permission so the child can travel and as a US Citizen. Hope this helps.

[Bigtodd]

To leave Thailand and to enter the United States all you need the US passport nothing else. I left Thailand alone twice with my young daughter and presented my daughters US Passport and my US passport to Thai immigration at swampy airport upon leaving. I provided nothing else and except our joint airline tickets. They placed an exit stamp in my daughter's and my passport and set us on our way. Upon entering the USA at LAX I again presented both US passports and was welcomed home with no questions. Only on returning to Thailand did I present my daughters Thai passport and again just a stamp quickly placed in the passport and smile. Since there are no overstay fines for children it is worry free. If you want a replacement Thai passport once you are in the United States this can be done at a Thai Consulate or Embassy if you have a copy of Thai birth certificate. When you were applied for your child's US passport at the US Embassy both parents had to sign permission to travel and permission to issue the passport. Your X already gave her permission so the child can travel and as a US Citizen. Hope this helps.

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question. It's something that has been heavy on my mind and it's a relief to have some info on this. Along the same lines if anyone can tell me once I'm in the US what recourse a woman has to retrive our son to Thailand? Seems were living in a world where woman don't have to do much in the way of fighting for kids here because they just leave and use the kids for money. If I leave does she just need to file somewhere and I'll be directed by the US Government to bring him back? I want the best for my child, I really do but if I leave I'm afraid it will be simple for her to get him back here. Anybody have some experience in this area?

[lopburi3]

I believe a birth in Thailand will require the birth certificate to be presented along with the passport for exit the first time as there will be no entry stamp and would be illegal entry if not born here. Only overstay is fine free.

[InterestedObserver]

Once back in the US it would take considerable resources and US court time for your ex-girlfriend to get custody. She would have to prove that you are not a good parent and that she is the better choice. The US government won't/can't just kick the child, a US citizen, out of the country. The law is on your side in the US.

[gosompoi]

To leave Thailand and to enter the United States all you need the US passport nothing else. I left Thailand alone twice with my young daughter and presented my daughters US Passport and my US passport to Thai immigration at swampy airport upon leaving. I provided nothing else and except our joint airline tickets. They placed an exit stamp in my daughter's and my passport and set us on our way. Upon entering the USA at LAX I again presented both US passports and was welcomed home with no questions. Only on returning to Thailand did I present my daughters Thai passport and again just a stamp quickly placed in the passport and smile. Since there are no overstay fines for children it is worry free. If you want a replacement Thai passport once you are in the United States this can be done at a Thai Consulate or Embassy if you have a copy of Thai birth certificate. When you were applied for your child's US passport at the US Embassy both parents had to sign permission to travel and permission to issue the passport. Your X already gave her permission so the child can travel and as a US Citizen. Hope this helps.

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question. It's something that has been heavy on my mind and it's a relief to have some info on this. Along the same lines if anyone can tell me once I'm in the US what recourse a woman has to retrive our son to Thailand? Seems were living in a world where woman don't have to do much in the way of fighting for kids here because they just leave and use the kids for money. If I leave does she just need to file somewhere and I'll be directed by the US Government to bring him back? I want the best for my child, I really do but if I leave I'm afraid it will be simple for her to get him back here. Anybody have some experience in this area?

Even if they ask for this he has it with the US Birth Aboard certificate. I done it more than once and never been asked for anything. I did run into one small thing once, I handed Thai Immigration on exit my daughter's Thai passport and they where really confused since they had record of her leaving once already but not entering as an American. A supervisor came over and just cleared it from the computer screen. Still didn't ask to see anything more.

[InterestedObserver]

Once back in the US it would take considerable resources and US court time for your ex-girlfriend to get custody. She would have to prove that you are not a good parent and that she is the better choice. The US government won't/can't just kick the child, a US citizen, out of the country. The law is on your side in the US.

I must also add that since you haven't indicated that you married your Thai girlfriend or legitimized the birth under Section 1547 of the Civil and Commercial Code, them you do not have any parental powers as defined under Thai law.

[Bigtodd]

Once back in the US it would take considerable resources and US court time for your ex-girlfriend to get custody. She would have to prove that you are not a good parent and that she is the better choice. The US government won't/can't just kick the child, a US citizen, out of the country. The law is on your side in the US.

I must also add that since you haven't indicated that you married your Thai girlfriend or legitimized the birth under Section 1547 of the Civil and Commercial Code, them you do not have any parental powers as defined under Thai law.

Yes, thank you. You are very right about that. I've talked to several professional people about that and it's a shame that a father isn't seen as a father unless they are married. My son has my name and I am on the Thai and American birth certificates. I am not married to my ex (Thank God) and the blackmail and attitude is more than anyone should have to go through. Again, Thank of you for this useful info.

[Gumballl]

Yes, thank you. You are very right about that. I've talked to several professional people about that and it's a shame that a father isn't seen as a father unless they are married. My son has my name and I am on the Thai and American birth certificates. I am not married to my ex (Thank God) and the blackmail and attitude is more than anyone should have to go through. Again, Thank of you for this useful info.

My advice to you is to leave LOS now!

As indicated earlier, all you need to do is present the US Passport of your son to get his boarding pass. As far as Thai Immigration, you can present either your son's US Passport or his Thai Passport. In either case, you will need to complete a Departure Card (pamphlet). I recommend that you present the US Passport. There's less of a chance of having a conversation with the Immigration official.

[Bigtodd]

uddy

Yes, thank you. You are very right about that. I've talked to several professional people about that and it's a shame that a father isn't seen as a father unless they are married. My son has my name and I am on the Thai and American birth certificates. I am not married to my ex (Thank God) and the blackmail and attitude is more than anyone should have to go through. Again, Thank of you for this useful info.

My advice to you is to leave LOS now!

As indicated earlier, all you need to do is present the US Passport of your son to get his boarding pass. As far as Thai Immigration, you can present either your son's US Passport or his Thai Passport. In either case, you will need to complete a Departure Card (pamphlet). I recommend that you present the US Passport. There's less of a chance of having a conversation with the Immigration official.

[Bigtodd]

uddy

Yes, thank you. You are very right about that. I've talked to several professional people about that and it's a shame that a father isn't seen as a father unless they are married. My son has my name and I am on the Thai and American birth certificates. I am not married to my ex (Thank God) and the blackmail and attitude is more than anyone should have to go through. Again, Thank of you for this useful info.

My advice to you is to leave LOS now!

As indicated earlier, all you need to do is present the US Passport of your son to get his boarding pass. As far as Thai Immigration, you can present either your son's US Passport or his Thai Passport. In either case, you will need to complete a Departure Card (pamphlet). I recommend that you present the US Passport. There's less of a chance of having a conversation with the Immigration official.

This info is ALL great. I will make a move soon and I will let you know when I have done so and how it went. I do however have one more question that pertains to this subject. I would like to know where else I can live (in Asia) without fear of someone coming into that country and just taking him away. In the states as you have said it would be diificult to make him return to Thailand. Would this be true for example if I lived in China, Japan or another Asian place? Would he be just as safe there as long as if he were with me? If anyone has any suggestions on where I might go that would keep me out of search and my child safe? Please let me know. I do like Asia and would like to remain here in another place other than the LOS. Thanks again to all who are advising me here. It takes a huge weight off me knowing I have some type of avenues.