How Does One Go About Getting A Gig?

[corkman]

Hi All,

Not trying to be funny, but how does one go about getting a gig? I hear quite often about promiscuity in Thai culture, but I wonder...... do young, attractive, thai ladies really go around looking for no strings attached hanky-panky fun?

I mean its easy to get involved in serious and sincere relationships..... and if things go as they should then things fall into place ..... but it seems impossible to express interest in anyone without a million questions and undying declaration of love faith and devotion a few days later......

I don't mean to string some poor innocent and sweat girl using / disingenuous / mean spirited way - I am talking a bit of fun, by mutual understanding and agreement?

I'm not trolling here guys - I am just wondering, how, where, why, and how it all works.......

Weird post, isn't it

[powderpuff]

Gik.

[powderpuff]

Unless you are fluent in Thai I doubt it.

[gotlost]

[pjclark1]

Walk into any bar with a 1,000bht note sticking out of your shirt pocket.

You will surely get some 'no strings attached fun' in a short space of time.

[jdinasia]

Assuming the OP is serious .....

1) Your Gig will be about your age and with similar interests. If you are a 3 on the Thai attractiveness scale, that is about what you will get for a gig.

2) Your attractiveness, hygiene, and ability to communicate WILL count.

3) You have to be available and you have to be somewhat suave.

A gig isn't just a "booty-call", it is more a "friend with benefits". That means having age/status appropriate friends.

[corkman]

My sentiment exactly!

Reading the Bkk post etc. its something ridiculous like 70% of men and 50% of women have a bit on the side (and these are the marreid ones) which means that some of the women must be doing more than one bloke....... and if that is to be believed, then what about the single people.......

I am just perplexed as to where all these "loose" women are .......... I mean any professional woman I know refers to their boyfriend as "my friend" ...... they are embarassed to say "boyfriend" in case it implies something......

Such a contradiction!

[corkman]

Assuming the OP is serious .....

1) Your Gig will be about your age and with similar interests. If you are a 3 on the Thai attractiveness scale, that is about what you will get for a gig.

2) Your attractiveness, hygiene, and ability to communicate WILL count.

3) You have to be available and you have to be somewhat suave.

A gig isn't just a "booty-call", it is more a "friend with benefits". That means having age/status appropriate friends.

Yes, I am semi serious, sort of.......

Genuinely perplexed.......

I find it hard to comprehend...... genuinely...... I mean obviously, if a person is looking for a bit-of-away, then you want something reasonable looking to start with wince the relationship is based in the physical..... so a short fat bald old man can't expect to pick up a uni-grad 23 year old wannabe model...... at least not with a renat-a-girl agreement. But from the description above, its sounds like girls basically are willing to "take on" a guy, in the hope (and belief) that one day it will be more serious..... complete with loyalty and monogomy and all that ....... which really is "girlfriend".......

So really, its just "real world" thai speaking status quo as per home?

[corkman]

Walk into any bar with a 1,000bht note sticking out of your shirt pocket.

You will surely get some 'no strings attached fun' in a short space of time.

Depends on the bar...... you wouldn't get much for a grand on 33!

[pjclark1]

I find it hard to comprehend...... genuinely...... I mean obviously, if a person is looking for a bit-of-away, then you want something reasonable looking to start with wince the relationship is based in the physical..... so a short fat bald old man can't expect to pick up a uni-grad 23 year old wannabe model...... at least not with a renat-a-girl agreement. But from the description above, its sounds like girls basically are willing to "take on" a guy, in the hope (and belief) that one day it will be more serious..... complete with loyalty and monogomy and all that ....... which really is "girlfriend".......

So really, its just "real world" thai speaking status quo as per home?

You are making faulty assumptions

Most giks (male or female) are after a bit of nooky and an upgrade in their standard of living, gold, dinner, car, etc.

The physically (but richer) inferior (fat and old) gives to the physically (but poorer) superior (young and attractive).

Thailand is very equal opportunities

I know of handsome young men living off several older housewife type women.

I know of pretty young girls living off several older, fatter men.

[jdinasia]

Assuming the OP is serious .....

1) Your Gig will be about your age and with similar interests. If you are a 3 on the Thai attractiveness scale, that is about what you will get for a gig.

2) Your attractiveness, hygiene, and ability to communicate WILL count.

3) You have to be available and you have to be somewhat suave.

A gig isn't just a "booty-call", it is more a "friend with benefits". That means having age/status appropriate friends.

Yes, I am semi serious, sort of.......

Genuinely perplexed.......

I find it hard to comprehend...... genuinely...... I mean obviously, if a person is looking for a bit-of-away, then you want something reasonable looking to start with wince the relationship is based in the physical..... so a short fat bald old man can't expect to pick up a uni-grad 23 year old wannabe model...... at least not with a renat-a-girl agreement. But from the description above, its sounds like girls basically are willing to "take on" a guy, in the hope (and belief) that one day it will be more serious..... complete with loyalty and monogomy and all that ....... which really is "girlfriend".......

So really, its just "real world" thai speaking status quo as per home?

Nope -- or rather yes ....

There are women (and men -- being gay makes it easier!) out there with families (absentee etc hubbies) or widows or or or .. that aren't looking for anything lasting or deep. There are people focused on careers, there are people dealing with other issues .. etc ....

They are there and they still want to get out of the house and have a decent dinner, grab a movie ... and yes .. get laid. Will the average foreigner meet them and know it? Depends on his EQ and his ability to communicate.

As for your "read it in " ....... how many of those married men's bits on the side are actually at Poseidon and the relationship lasts 90 mins twice a month? Polls here are senseless and typically non-scientific ..

In just a year I have met 5 30y/o+ women in Chiang Mai that have hubbies in the military etc .. stationed out of town. They see the hubby twice a month for a long weekend each time. That is the type that in some cases look for gigs. They, however, would not consider a foreigner as gig material in most cases because it would be too obvious when seen in public with them.

[sbk]

I find it hard to comprehend...... genuinely...... I mean obviously, if a person is looking for a bit-of-away, then you want something reasonable looking to start with wince the relationship is based in the physical..... so a short fat bald old man can't expect to pick up a uni-grad 23 year old wannabe model...... at least not with a renat-a-girl agreement. But from the description above, its sounds like girls basically are willing to "take on" a guy, in the hope (and belief) that one day it will be more serious..... complete with loyalty and monogomy and all that ....... which really is "girlfriend".......

So really, its just "real world" thai speaking status quo as per home?

You are making faulty assumptions

Most giks (male or female) are after a bit of nooky and an upgrade in their standard of living, gold, dinner, car, etc.

The physically (but richer) inferior (fat and old) gives to the physically (but poorer) superior (young and attractive).

Thailand is very equal opportunities

I know of handsome young men living off several older housewife type women.

I know of pretty young girls living off several older, fatter men.

That is not a gik

[Ave]

I thought you were a musician..

[jdinasia]

You are making faulty assumptions

Most giks (male or female) are after a bit of nooky and an upgrade in their standard of living, gold, dinner, car, etc.

The physically (but richer) inferior (fat and old) gives to the physically (but poorer) superior (young and attractive).

Thailand is very equal opportunities

I know of handsome young men living off several older housewife type women.

I know of pretty young girls living off several older, fatter men.

That is not a gik

Agree, in this case it is pjclark1 making the faulty assumptions/failing to get the idea. A gik is not a mistress, in fact almost the opposite of a mistress/mia noi

[pjclark1]

You are making faulty assumptions

Most giks (male or female) are after a bit of nooky and an upgrade in their standard of living, gold, dinner, car, etc.

The physically (but richer) inferior (fat and old) gives to the physically (but poorer) superior (young and attractive).

Thailand is very equal opportunities

I know of handsome young men living off several older housewife type women.

I know of pretty young girls living off several older, fatter men.

That is not a gik

Agree, in this case it is pjclark1 making the faulty assumptions/failing to get the idea. A gik is not a mistress, in fact almost the opposite of a mistress/mia noi

The distinction between Gik, Mia Noi and Mia Chow is only in the mind of the purchaser.

However, the flow of funds is always from the richer (me) to the more desirable (her).

I have had a wife, a Gik and a Mia Chow, the Gik was by far the most expensive as she wanted expensive dinners and days out.

Her husband wouldn't give me the opportunity to shag her as much either, but he did provide all her spending money.

Giks IMHO, are not all that worthwhile, bar girls are a lot easier and cheaper if you are only looking for casual sex!

[sbk]

Sorry, I have to disagree. While you may call that person a gik that is not the definition of it as I have heard it from Thais. giks don't date for one thing. No dating, no dinners.

[jazzbo]

I also opened this one thinking a musician was looking for a paying job on stage -- oh well, as long as I'm here: You don't as a farang go about finding a gig/gik; they find you.

[corkman]

OK - so things are basically I thought they were, and not as the media and "hear-say" makes it out to be.

As a farang, I am not "looking" for a gig / gik / mistress / whatever....... I'm a married man, a career person, and need more free time, not less of it. I just find it curious how there are so many words, and so many distinctions, for so many catagories of extra-marital "carry-on". Moreover...... I work with lots of guys that earn ok money (THB 60-70k) that are in their mid 30's but are single - their demeanor is such that I canot see them "slumming it" in some skanky thai's only beer bar, nor can I see them frequenting Poseidon or Pegasus on a regular basis, cause it just would be outside their spending power....... so here they are, sucessful guys, good jobs, and single....... and I hear through the grape vine, people talking about gik's and all that...... yet assuming they socialise with the same social catagory of (female) people that we work with then I just don't see those girld "getting it on"......

It is just that it has always seemed to me that "love" has a different meaning in Thai society, and is very much predicated on the notion that a spouse (or potential spouse) should be able to keep a girl in the style to which she has become accustomed, or better...... the scenario of Daddy's princess marrying down to the local bin man because they are "in love" is simply not conceivable. Sort of in line with this thinking, it has always "felt" to me that a girl would generally only invest herself in a guy that she some potential in with a view to settling down with him, in some shape or form - be that as a mia-noi some realtively "poor" girl shacking up with a wealthy bloke that will provide her with the luxuries a man in her social class could not...... or be some bird taking a gamble of getting involved with a bloke with a long term view to the natural progression to official girlfriend and wife....... but generally, Thai women do not seem "liberated" enough to activity seek and engage in "sex-for-sex-sake", and otherwise no strings attached etc.

So - I think I get the picture ....... "desperate housewives" type of thing (as in the TV show) applies to the social groups described above (lonely housewives), and otherwise its just girls getting it on to get up in the world.......

Otherwise, it seems it's just one of those things that as a farang I will have to concede my ignorance, and carry on oblivious.

Discalimer - re-reading this, my post seems very male-chauvinist / sexist / "women are there for the mens picking" in tone...... I know there is a flip side, and it is not my intention to suggest otherwise.

[jdinasia]

Sorry, I have to disagree. While you may call that person a gik that is not the definition of it as I have heard it from Thais. giks don't date for one thing. No dating, no dinners.

Ummm while I agree with your disagreement (with pj) I would suggest that Gigs do date, but that it isn't that formal. It is often with friends etc and they go out and hang out together.

Gig's aren't looking for a boost in social status nor are they climbers ... they are friends with benefits.

I would suggest that if you are farang and past your prime (OAP) etc .. that gig's are just not very likely to be in either your future or in your frame of reference in Thailand. (Keeping some college girl on the side is not a gig!)

edit --- @ corkman btw-- if your 30 something friends are making that kind of dosh .. Poseidon etc are well within the budget a couple of times a month

[pjclark1]

OK - so things are basically I thought they were, and not as the media and "hear-say" makes it out to be.

As a farang, I am not "looking" for a gig / gik / mistress / whatever....... I'm a married man, a career person, and need more free time, not less of it. I just find it curious how there are so many words, and so many distinctions, for so many catagories of extra-marital "carry-on". Moreover...... I work with lots of guys that earn ok money (THB 60-70k) that are in their mid 30's but are single - their demeanor is such that I canot see them "slumming it" in some skanky thai's only beer bar, nor can I see them frequenting Poseidon or Pegasus on a regular basis, cause it just would be outside their spending power....... so here they are, sucessful guys, good jobs, and single....... and I hear through the grape vine, people talking about gik's and all that...... yet assuming they socialise with the same social catagory of (female) people that we work with then I just don't see those girld "getting it on"......

It is just that it has always seemed to me that "love" has a different meaning in Thai society, and is very much predicated on the notion that a spouse (or potential spouse) should be able to keep a girl in the style to which she has become accustomed, or better...... the scenario of Daddy's princess marrying down to the local bin man because they are "in love" is simply not conceivable. Sort of in line with this thinking, it has always "felt" to me that a girl would generally only invest herself in a guy that she some potential in with a view to settling down with him, in some shape or form - be that as a mia-noi some realtively "poor" girl shacking up with a wealthy bloke that will provide her with the luxuries a man in her social class could not...... or be some bird taking a gamble of getting involved with a bloke with a long term view to the natural progression to official girlfriend and wife....... but generally, Thai women do not seem "liberated" enough to activity seek and engage in "sex-for-sex-sake", and otherwise no strings attached etc.

So - I think I get the picture ....... "desperate housewives" type of thing (as in the TV show) applies to the social groups described above (lonely housewives), and otherwise its just girls getting it on to get up in the world.......

Otherwise, it seems it's just one of those things that as a farang I will have to concede my ignorance, and carry on oblivious.

Discalimer - re-reading this, my post seems very male-chauvinist / sexist / "women are there for the mens picking" in tone...... I know there is a flip side, and it is not my intention to suggest otherwise.

Firstly

Those guys (including most of the married men) almost certainly frequent, soapys, massage places, and short time knocking shops, that is the target audience of those sort of places.

And if you become friendly enough with them, they will invite you along. Such outings are often 'office events'.

Secondly

Statistics suggest, 90% of all western females 'marry up', nobody in the world marries the local bin man for love, he's just the only guy they could get.

[IanForbes]

Where I come from a "Gig" is a slang term for a nightclub act. I thought this topic was about somewhere to play with a band. As I have no knowledge of any such place, except possibly the GuitarMan in Chiang Mai, I didn't bother replying until now. Finding an unattached female in Thailand is as difficult as opening your eyes and reaching for your wallet. If you've got game then the sky is the limit. However, if you don't speak fluent Thai then you've cut your odds down considerably and you are more likely to be limited to bars.

[Semper]

You are making faulty assumptions

Most giks (male or female) are after a bit of nooky and an upgrade in their standard of living, gold, dinner, car, etc.

The physically (but richer) inferior (fat and old) gives to the physically (but poorer) superior (young and attractive).

Thailand is very equal opportunities

I know of handsome young men living off several older housewife type women.

I know of pretty young girls living off several older, fatter men.

That is not a gik

Agree, in this case it is pjclark1 making the faulty assumptions/failing to get the idea. A gik is not a mistress, in fact almost the opposite of a mistress/mia noi

I'm not sure. A gik will not associate with you if there is no money involved.

[IanForbes]

I'm not sure. A gik will not associate with you if there is no money involved.

Aren't you talking about ALL women there? Unless of course the woman already HAS a lot of money and needs a boy-toy.

[Semper]

I'm not sure. A gik will not associate with you if there is no money involved.

Aren't you talking about ALL women there? Unless of course the woman already HAS a lot of money and needs a boy-toy.

Yes I am. But a gik is different from a girlfriend. More like a Mia Noi.

[powderpuff]

Rule Number 1. As SBK is telling you. Between Gik no money or any other item of value is exchanged. We have a slang term for this f... buddy.

Casual sex no strings attached. If she or he decides they want to be monogamous - the deal is off & no hard feelings. No love - see? No love - & no money. JD has it right.

[jdinasia]

I'm not sure. A gik will not associate with you if there is no money involved.

Sorry Semper ... but you are not discussing a gik. Having a personal definition just doesn't mean anything in a social context. (In other words just because you would call it a gig doesn't mean that is what the relationship is, If you are paying anything more than the random dinner etc then it isn't a gig at all.

[Semper]

I'm not sure. A gik will not associate with you if there is no money involved.

Sorry Semper ... but you are not discussing a gik. Having a personal definition just doesn't mean anything in a social context. (In other words just because you would call it a gig doesn't mean that is what the relationship is, If you are paying anything more than the random dinner etc then it isn't a gig at all.

So what would you call her?

[pjclark1]

So what would you call her?

..... or him?

[jdinasia]

I'm not sure. A gik will not associate with you if there is no money involved.

Sorry Semper ... but you are not discussing a gik. Having a personal definition just doesn't mean anything in a social context. (In other words just because you would call it a gig doesn't mean that is what the relationship is, If you are paying anything more than the random dinner etc then it isn't a gig at all.

So what would you call her?

Someone you are supporting (even in part) financially isn't a gig. Could be a wife, a mistress, a BG, or just about anything else ... just not a gig.

[pjclark1]

Someone you are supporting (even in part) financially isn't a gig. Could be a wife, a mistress, a BG, or just about anything else ... just not a gig.

I wouldn't consider someone I occasionally bought dinner and took for a day out as being supported by me.

They could have had dinner at home and watched Tv.

Short term lifestyle enhancement does not equal support IMHO.