News_Editor Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Obama to address nation on Libyan civil war 2011-03-26 06:10:26 GMT+7 (ICT) WASHINGTON, D.C. (BNO NEWS) -- U.S. President Barack Obama will address the nation on Monday evening to update the American people on the civil war in Libya, the White House confirmed on Friday. A brief statement from the White House said Obama will deliver a speech from the National Defense University in Washington, D.C. to update the American people on the situation in Libya, "including the actions we've taken with allies and partners to protect the Libyan people from the brutality of Muammar Gaddafi." The White House said Obama will also discuss the transition to NATO command and control and the U.S. policy going forward. The speech is scheduled to take place at 7.30 p.m. Eastern time on Monday. The announcement of Obama's planned address comes just hours after the President briefed a group of Members of Congress on the situation in Libya. Some Members of Congress had been calling on Obama to give a national address and to declare war with Libya, although that is not expected to happen. -- © BNO News All rights reserved 2011-03-26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) So even this guy Obama calls it a civil war Wonder how Abe Lincoln or Jefferson Davis would have felt if another country tried to stop their civil war? Claiming one side was killing civilians After all both sides surely did. Edited March 26, 2011 by flying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 A misleading headline. The United States is no longer a "nation", just a government regulated geographic entity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koheesti Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 It must be too rainy to play golf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2oDunc Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I find it very ironic that a guy that got the Nobel peace prize is again bombing the crap out of another Middle eastern country. All in the name of PEACE no doubt ? I also so a video saying he has just signed a Presidential decree that allows him to incarcerate a person for the rest of their life even after a court of law have found them innocent of all charges but simply on the say so of this ego maniac. Frightening ! Really frightening ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 What major countries are against deposing the despot of Libya? Russia and China. Too bad the USA and Nato couldn't have acted earlier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark45y Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I find it very ironic that a guy that got the Nobel peace prize is again bombing the crap out of another Middle eastern country. All in the name of PEACE no doubt ? I also so a video saying he has just signed a Presidential decree that allows him to incarcerate a person for the rest of their life even after a court of law have found them innocent of all charges but simply on the say so of this ego maniac. Frightening ! Really frightening ! Document please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) Frightening ! Really frightening ! Yeah, he's a frighteningly great president! Just kidding. He's just OK. Below his absurdly high expectations, but the problems he was served by world events way above expectations. Good enough for government work as they say. Get ready to be "frightened" through 2016. Edited March 26, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 It is a civil war and we know nothing about the side that we are supporting. Now THAT is frightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 It is a civil war and we know nothing about the side that we are supporting. Now THAT is frightening. a very sensible observation UG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) It is a civil war and we know nothing about the side that we are supporting. Now THAT is frightening. Fair enough, but a fair bet worse than Ghadafi would be quite a feat. It's a risk but I don't think an unreasonable one though that doesn't mean it will succeed. If you recall, I wanted Obama to do the no fly zone thing MUCH EARLIER back when the rebels were very close to winning and Ghadafi started threatening mass murders of his people. That would have been an even bigger risk of horrible PR for the USA, but I still think that would have been the smartest move strictly strategically. I think Bush should have been more like Obama for Iraq (wait for Arab league and Nato cooperation which he would have NEVER got), and Obama should have been more like Bush in Libya. Each situation is different and great leaders pick the best choice for the specific situations, not relying on a rigid dogma. Edited March 26, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orac Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 It is a civil war and we know nothing about the side that we are supporting. Now THAT is frightening. A very good point. As CallmeScooter pointed out in another thread, the US identified Eastern Libya and Benghazi as a source of a large number of Al-Qaeda volunteers that appeared in Iraq. It would not be good if the fundementalists were able to get a foothold because of this action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) It is a civil war and we know nothing about the side that we are supporting. Now THAT is frightening. Fair enough, but a fair bet worse than Ghadafi would be quite a feat. It's a risk but I don't think an unreasonable one though that doesn't mean it will succeed. Gaddafi is a worthless dirt-bag for sure, but he got rid of his nuclear weapons program and stopped supporting terrorism long ago. I would be far more worried about a government allied with or controlled by Iran/Al-Qaeda/the Muslim brotherhood and that is a distinct possibility. Edited March 26, 2011 by Ulysses G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) Countries in the Middle East deserve the chance to determine their own governments. These popular revolutions are a sea change and the end result is uncertain, but resisting the wave is not really a realistic option. BTW, the government of Israel is suggesting a similar military action as in Libya to support the anti-regime movement in Iran. Of course, that would never be approved by Nato or even the US, but it is kind of interesting. I suppose it might be possible someday if different circumstances develop. Edited March 26, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orac Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Countries in the Middle East deserve the chance to determine their own governments. These popular revolutions are a sea change and the end result is uncertain, but resisting the wave is not really a realistic option. If they didn't have all the oil or if we had a good alternative to it I would be far more comfortable . One other thing to remember is that a lot of these countries were 'created' by the western powers in relatively modern times, often by just drawing lines on maps with little consideration for the people and tribes that lived there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) This is very cynical, but if we had left them alone and Gaddafi had crushed the rebellion, there is a very good chance that other protesters in the region would have been too scared to carry on. As it is, we are involved in something that is none of our business, that is probably going to hurt our own interests and that no one will be grateful for. It might have made sense if we had done this in Iran during the popular uprising, but why Libya after the monster had been tamed? Edited March 26, 2011 by Ulysses G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) I understand the concern entirely. If there is an uprising in Saudi, that's going to be a real crisis. The west is fine with the repression there, while at same time mouthing freedom and democracy rhetoric for other countries. So if there is a popular uprising in Saudi, how does the west react? Edited March 26, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 The same scenario is about to happen in Syria, which is 75% Sunni brotherhood of Islam and 15% ruling Alawite. Should Assad get outside help Iran and Hizbollah are about the only choice leaving them on a collision course with Saudi Arabia. If there is any consistency Nato should intervene to oust the despotic Assad. Tick tick tick... Armageddon calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUDAS Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I understand the concern entirely. If there is an uprising in Saudi, that's going to be a real crisis. The west is fine with the repression there, while at same time mouthing freedom and democracy rhetoric for other countries. So if there is a popular uprising in Saudi, how does the west react? Indeed JT. We westerners ( or at least our government ) only become morally outraged over human rights when it's politically expedient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 This is very cynical, but if we had left them alone and Gaddafi had crushed the rebellion, there is a very good chance that other protesters in the region would have been too scared to carry on. As it is, we are involved in something that is none of our business, that is probably going to hurt our own interests and that no one will be grateful for. It might have made sense if we had done this in Iran during the popular uprising, but why Libya after the monster had been tamed? Agreed. When it comes to killing Muslims tend to have a priority list - 1) Jews 2)Other infidels 3) Muslims of different sects 4) Moderates within their own sect. Why jump the queue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StasD Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) there are 2 nice things for me: 1. Thailand does not have oil. therethrough it will be not bombed 2.Russia has oil as well as nuclear weapon. therethrough it will be not bombed Edited March 26, 2011 by StasD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chachachacha Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I understand the concern entirely. If there is an uprising in Saudi, that's going to be a real crisis. The west is fine with the repression there, while at same time mouthing freedom and democracy rhetoric for other countries. So if there is a popular uprising in Saudi, how does the west react? There was a uprising & it was crushed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Unless it is your aim to inflame and denigrate people I would suggest a little bit more gentlemanly posting. Fat chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 And the lesson is: Don't make America angry, or it may decide to bring democracy to your country next." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lite Beer Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 French military says 7 Libyan aircraft destroyed Paris - French fighter jets destroyed five Libyan military planes and two helicopters, the Defence Ministry announced late Saturday in Paris. The aircraft were hit in a French airstrike Saturday near Misurata, where forces loyal to leader Moamer Gaddafi are trying to fight off rebels. The Gaddafi opponents have advanced in recent days from their strongholds in eastern Libya, after a United Nations-backed no-fly zone offered safety nullified the Tripoli regime's air power in the country. The aircraft were destroyed to prevent their use against rebel forces, French officials said. The Libyan aircraft were described as five single-engine Galeb jets, which were training planes and light air-to-ground strike fighters from the former Yugoslavia, and two Soviet-era Mi-35 heavy attack helicopters. Misurata is Libya's third-largest city. Gaddafi holds Tripoli, while rebels have held second-city Benghazi since early in the uprising against the government.//DPA -- The Nation 2011-03-27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 A derogatory post which led to bickering posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elcent Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 I'M SPEECHLESS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Looks like a classic case of a Western propaganda VDO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koheesti Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 French military says 7 Libyan aircraft destroyed Paris - French fighter jets destroyed five Libyan military planes and two helicopters, the Defence Ministry announced late Saturday in Paris. The aircraft were hit in a French airstrike Saturday near Misurata, where forces loyal to leader Moamer Gaddafi are trying to fight off rebels. The Gaddafi opponents have advanced in recent days from their strongholds in eastern Libya, after a United Nations-backed no-fly zone offered safety nullified the Tripoli regime's air power in the country. The aircraft were destroyed to prevent their use against rebel forces, French officials said. The Libyan aircraft were described as five single-engine Galeb jets, which were training planes and light air-to-ground strike fighters from the former Yugoslavia, and two Soviet-era Mi-35 heavy attack helicopters. Misurata is Libya's third-largest city. Gaddafi holds Tripoli, while rebels have held second-city Benghazi since early in the uprising against the government.//DPA -- The Nation 2011-03-27 Does a no-fly zone include taking out aircraft on the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) So even this guy Obama calls it a civil war Wonder how Abe Lincoln or Jefferson Davis would have felt if another country tried to stop their civil war? Claiming one side was killing civilians After all both sides surely did. So you think other nations didn't pick sides in the USA civil war? Wrong. Edited March 27, 2011 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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