Red Shirts To Mark Anniversary Of 10 April Bloodshed

[webfact]

UDD to mark anniversary of 10 April bloodshed

BANGKOK (NNT) -- The United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) has declared that a rally will be held on 10 April in remembrance of the political bloodbath at Kok Wua Intersection last year.

A press conference was held by Acting Chairperson of the UDD Thida Thavornseth along with UDD core leaders Jatuporn Prompan, Natthawut Saikua and Weng Tojirakarn to give details on activities within the group’s next gathering on 10 April at Kok Wua Intersection on Ratchadamnoen Avenue. The event is aimed to commemorate the first anniversary of the 10 April 2010 violence, in which UDD supporters clashed with security officers, leading to massive casualties on both sides.

Mr Natthawut stated that the rally would begin with a merit-making ceremony for the deceased, which would be followed by activities of members from various UDD factions at 15.00 hrs. Former Secretary to the Constitutional Court President Pasit Sakdanarong will also appear on stage at 18.00 hrs to unveil secret information while relatives of the victims will make their speeches at 20.00 hrs.

Meanwhile, the UDD core leader pointed out that during 9-10 April the group would open a workshop, similar to what it did last year before the mass rally, but the contents would be even more concentrated to correspond to the current political situation and would revolve around the group’s strategies and operations as well as direction before and after the next general election.

-- NNT 2011-04-07

[Buchholz]

direction before and after the next general election.

keep rollin', rollin', rollin'

Red Shirts = PTP = Thaksin

[pisico]

"massive casualties on both sides"?

Really?

[LindsayBKK]

I am sure Central World Plaza will NOT be doing same to mark the burning of the Shopping Centre.

Nor Center One , Nor Big C.

How pathetic can you get.

Rally? It was NOT a rally , please don't insult Our Intelligence.

Edited April 7, 2011 by LindsayBKK

[givenall]

"massive casualties on both sides"?

Really?

Bunch of ediot and liers. I think they will continue to do this as long as money is rolling in

[animatic]

So they hold a street demonstration to commemorate the street demonstration that turned to riot that they started, because some people got killed because they took part in a illegal street riot.

What a wonderful social conscience they have.

Edited April 7, 2011 by animatic

[patjem]

Alternatively phrased: "we will commemorate how we led gullible lambs to their slaughter, but rhetorically attempt to re-badge it as our justification"

[Crushdepth]

Former Secretary to the Constitutional Court President Pasit Sakdanarong will also appear on stage at 18.00 hrs to unveil secret information

Won't do his computer crimes court case much good.

[jdinasia]

Former Secretary to the Constitutional Court President Pasit Sakdanarong will also appear on stage at 18.00 hrs to unveil secret information

Won't do his computer crimes court case much good.

Violation of Bail terms too I think (if he actually releases anything new)

[Jawnie]

Please don't burn down Central World again. I like shopping there and hanging out .

[Skywalker69]

Alternatively phrased: "we will commemorate how we led gullible lambs to their slaughter, but rhetorically attempt to re-badge it as our justification"

Spot on.

[Godolphin]

I guess I'll be one out here and say this:

I don't support the actions of the idiots who destroyed Central World, just as I don't support the killing of innocent protesters which came from the government/army side.

However, I do support the rights of Thai people to protest against a system so rotten with corruption.

It has been mentioned above that the protests of last year were 'illegal." It is "illegal" to have demonstrations in China, Laos, Burma, etc, etc. Hitler made any protest against the third reich "illegal."

Social progress is impossible unless grossly unfair laws are challenged. American war of independence, French revolution, Indian independence movement etc.

As for all the red shirt followers being gullible, idiotic rural simpletons who only marched because they were paid is an insult to many fine Thai people who have stood up to a rotten regime.

[ratcatcher]

I guess I'll be one out here and say this:

I don't support the actions of the idiots who destroyed Central World, just as I don't support the killing of innocent protesters which came from the government/army side.

However, I do support the rights of Thai people to protest against a system so rotten with corruption.

It has been mentioned above that the protests of last year were 'illegal." It is "illegal" to have demonstrations in China, Laos, Burma, etc, etc. Hitler made any protest against the third reich "illegal."

Social progress is impossible unless grossly unfair laws are challenged. American war of independence, French revolution, Indian independence movement etc.

As for all the red shirt followers being gullible, idiotic rural simpletons who only marched because they were paid is an insult to many fine Thai people who have stood up to a rotten regime.

I understand your sentiments, I don't understand your logic. Thaksin Shinawatra turned corruption into an art form and baffled the masses with bullshit. He was so successful that after having been convicted of corruption he fled the country with his billions, and he has continued as a major manipulator from any third rate country that will have him.

Yes, the elite still rule with a somewhat heavy hand. Thaksin himself belongs to that elite. He only uses the "peasants" as tools and ammunition.

Until the system rids itself of self interested corrupt businessmen, ex police and military generals etc, there will be more of the same, same, same.

[webfact]

4,000 Policemen to Keep Peace at Red-shirt Rally

Almost 4,000 policemen will be deployed to keep peace at the red-shirt mass rally on Sunday to commemorate the first anniversary of the crackdown on the protests last year.

Spokesman of the Center for the Administration of Peace and Order, or CAPO, Police Major General Prawut Thavornsiri, revealed that the National Police Office will deploy 26 companies, or about 3,900 policemen, to maintain peace and order at the planned mass rally by the red-shirt group at the Democracy Monument on Sunday April 10.

The event is to commemorate the first anniversary of the crackdown on the red-shirt protests in April last year.

The CAPO spokesman said so far, intelligence gathered has shown no signs of possible violence.

He believes the demonstration will be carried out peacefully and protesters will disperse as scheduled like in their previous gatherings.

Security will be heightened at state offices, such as Government House, Parliament and other risk-prone locations, under the Internal Security Act.

Moreover, the National Police Office is also set to keep peace and order during the upcoming election which is expected to be held soon.

A peacekeeping center for election will be set up and the police chief and his deputies will take charge of the center's operations, particularly information gathering and suppressing mafia figures and hitmen.

-- Tan Network 2011-04-07

[whybother]

I guess I'll be one out here and say this:

I don't support the actions of the idiots who destroyed Central World, just as I don't support the killing of innocent protesters which came from the government/army side.

However, I do support the rights of Thai people to protest against a system so rotten with corruption.

It has been mentioned above that the protests of last year were 'illegal." It is "illegal" to have demonstrations in China, Laos, Burma, etc, etc. Hitler made any protest against the third reich "illegal."

Social progress is impossible unless grossly unfair laws are challenged. American war of independence, French revolution, Indian independence movement etc.

As for all the red shirt followers being gullible, idiotic rural simpletons who only marched because they were paid is an insult to many fine Thai people who have stood up to a rotten regime.

The red shirt protests were not illegal ... initially.

When they blocked off the centre of the city, stormed a TV station and government house, and threw some petrol bombs - that's when it became illegal.

Certainly, when they stated shooting at the army, storming hospitals, and lobbing grenades - that cemented it's illegality.

[rogerman]

It would not surprise me one little bit if they started another prolonged mass rally just before the elections to de-rail everything

[whybother]

It would not surprise me one little bit if they started another prolonged mass rally just before the elections to de-rail everything

They have to do that, because Thaksin said that Abhisit wouldn't call an election early. And Thaksin is always right.

[Buchholz]

No word about Arisaman surrendering at this Red Shirt Rally??? He missed the last Red Rally Singalong at the Bonanza Resort.

Is he still walking back from Cambodia? He's overdue.

Absconding red leaders to surrender: Jatuporn

Red-shirt leaders who are still on the run will surrender to the authorities by the end of next month to fight legal cases against them, red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan said yesterday.

Posted 2011-02-24 06:48:10

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__4239175

Edited April 7, 2011 by Buchholz

[rubl]

Mr Natthawut stated that the rally would begin with a merit-making ceremony for the deceased, which would be followed by activities of members from various UDD factions at 15.00 hrs. Former Secretary to the Constitutional Court President Pasit Sakdanarong will also appear on stage at 18.00 hrs to unveil secret information while relatives of the victims will make their speeches at 20.00 hrs.

I assume k. Natthawut mentioned 'various red-shirt factions' of which UDD is one? Similarly I assume the ceremony for the deceased includes the Army colonel and his staff?

As for 'unveil secret info', could have been phrased better, most info in court is under some form of restriction at least till a case has been concluded and many times even after. Anyway I hope k. Jatuporn also find the time to say something which is not against his bail conditions? Like 'the MiB were army and not supporting us' ?

[phiphidon]

Mr Natthawut stated that the rally would begin with a merit-making ceremony for the deceased, which would be followed by activities of members from various UDD factions at 15.00 hrs. Former Secretary to the Constitutional Court President Pasit Sakdanarong will also appear on stage at 18.00 hrs to unveil secret information while relatives of the victims will make their speeches at 20.00 hrs.

I assume k. Natthawut mentioned 'various red-shirt factions' of which UDD is one? Similarly I assume the ceremony for the deceased includes the Army colonel and his staff?

As for 'unveil secret info', could have been phrased better, most info in court is under some form of restriction at least till a case has been concluded and many times even after. Anyway I hope k. Jatuporn also find the time to say something which is not against his bail conditions? Like 'the MiB were army and not supporting us' ?

Well thats really the point isn't it - it could be said that some information in court is not restricted when representatives of the accuseds' defence team are caught on video discussing the case with the presiding judges, allegedly, imho (to cma wrt contempt of court) - but hey let's just ignore that and go after the whistleblower/s.............

[rubl]

Mr Natthawut stated that the rally would begin with a merit-making ceremony for the deceased, which would be followed by activities of members from various UDD factions at 15.00 hrs. Former Secretary to the Constitutional Court President Pasit Sakdanarong will also appear on stage at 18.00 hrs to unveil secret information while relatives of the victims will make their speeches at 20.00 hrs.

I assume k. Natthawut mentioned 'various red-shirt factions' of which UDD is one? Similarly I assume the ceremony for the deceased includes the Army colonel and his staff?

As for 'unveil secret info', could have been phrased better, most info in court is under some form of restriction at least till a case has been concluded and many times even after. Anyway I hope k. Jatuporn also find the time to say something which is not against his bail conditions? Like 'the MiB were army and not supporting us' ?

Well thats really the point isn't it - it could be said that some information in court is not restricted when representatives of the accuseds' defence team are caught on video discussing the case with the presiding judges, allegedly, imho (to cma wrt contempt of court) - but hey let's just ignore that and go after the whistleblower/s.............

True, NO LONGER restricted. Still representatives were discussing with a secretary to the court, not some presiding judges. Also still the issue of who initiated the discussion?

With one of the four or five tapes showing k. Prem in a totally unrelated situation a year before, but 'put together' in such a way as to suggest relation you may wonder the validity of it all.

So let's not ignore the data presented, but try to turn it into information. We need to review both the contents of the tapes AND the circumstances in which it was possible to make the tapes AND why the k. Prem clips were presented as 'see, Amart busy again'. Especially the timing of release of tapes from a period of months is interesting.

BTW no need to go after k. Pasit specifically. He spent more time taping than doing his work it seems, he fled the country, spent months in HK illegally and entered Thailand again equally illegally. Should be sufficient for a case against him.

[phiphidon]

Mr Natthawut stated that the rally would begin with a merit-making ceremony for the deceased, which would be followed by activities of members from various UDD factions at 15.00 hrs. Former Secretary to the Constitutional Court President Pasit Sakdanarong will also appear on stage at 18.00 hrs to unveil secret information while relatives of the victims will make their speeches at 20.00 hrs.

I assume k. Natthawut mentioned 'various red-shirt factions' of which UDD is one? Similarly I assume the ceremony for the deceased includes the Army colonel and his staff?

As for 'unveil secret info', could have been phrased better, most info in court is under some form of restriction at least till a case has been concluded and many times even after. Anyway I hope k. Jatuporn also find the time to say something which is not against his bail conditions? Like 'the MiB were army and not supporting us' ?

Well thats really the point isn't it - it could be said that some information in court is not restricted when representatives of the accuseds' defence team are caught on video discussing the case with the presiding judges, allegedly, imho (to cma wrt contempt of court) - but hey let's just ignore that and go after the whistleblower/s.............

True, NO LONGER restricted. Still representatives were discussing with a secretary to the court, not some presiding judges. Also still the issue of who initiated the discussion?

With one of the four or five tapes showing k. Prem in a totally unrelated situation a year before, but 'put together' in such a way as to suggest relation you may wonder the validity of it all.

So let's not ignore the data presented, but try to turn it into information. We need to review both the contents of the tapes AND the circumstances in which it was possible to make the tapes AND why the k. Prem clips were presented as 'see, Amart busy again'. Especially the timing of release of tapes from a period of months is interesting.

BTW no need to go after k. Pasit specifically. He spent more time taping than doing his work it seems, he fled the country, spent months in HK illegally and entered Thailand again equally illegally. Should be sufficient for a case against him.

OK, so the democrats defence rep. was video taped talking to the secretary to the court (not the judges, heaven forbid) discussing how best to avoid the case proceeding, allegedly, hands up I'm guilty. I agree with you the Prem link was BS and unnecessary. The next tapes allegedly showing judges conspiring to promote nepotism within their ranks................. So, yes they're all whiter than white, don't know what the fuss was all about, the Courts have always and to this day remain independant and righteous. And as for that rat secretary...........

[Buchholz]

Mr Natthawut stated that the rally would begin with a merit-making ceremony for the deceased, which would be followed by activities of members from various UDD factions at 15.00 hrs. Former Secretary to the Constitutional Court President Pasit Sakdanarong will also appear on stage at 18.00 hrs to unveil secret information while relatives of the victims will make their speeches at 20.00 hrs.

I assume k. Natthawut mentioned 'various red-shirt factions' of which UDD is one? Similarly I assume the ceremony for the deceased includes the Army colonel and his staff?

As for 'unveil secret info', could have been phrased better, most info in court is under some form of restriction at least till a case has been concluded and many times even after. Anyway I hope k. Jatuporn also find the time to say something which is not against his bail conditions? Like 'the MiB were army and not supporting us' ?

Well thats really the point isn't it - it could be said that some information in court is not restricted when representatives of the accuseds' defence team are caught on video discussing the case with the presiding judges

hmmm... honesty questioned in another thread?

and in this thread, it's worth recalling that Pasit was the one discussing... and he is not a "presiding judge".... he's uhmmm.. a secretary.

.

[tlansford]

I guess I'll be one out here and say this:

I don't support the actions of the idiots who destroyed Central World, just as I don't support the killing of innocent protesters which came from the government/army side.

However, I do support the rights of Thai people to protest against a system so rotten with corruption.

It has been mentioned above that the protests of last year were 'illegal." It is "illegal" to have demonstrations in China, Laos, Burma, etc, etc. Hitler made any protest against the third reich "illegal."

Social progress is impossible unless grossly unfair laws are challenged. American war of independence, French revolution, Indian independence movement etc.

As for all the red shirt followers being gullible, idiotic rural simpletons who only marched because they were paid is an insult to many fine Thai people who have stood up to a rotten regime.

I understand your sentiments, I don't understand your logic. Thaksin Shinawatra turned corruption into an art form and baffled the masses with bullshit. He was so successful that after having been convicted of corruption he fled the country with his billions, and he has continued as a major manipulator from any third rate country that will have him.

Yes, the elite still rule with a somewhat heavy hand. Thaksin himself belongs to that elite. He only uses the "peasants" as tools and ammunition.

Until the system rids itself of self interested corrupt businessmen, ex police and military generals etc, there will be more of the same, same, same.

Agree with Godolphin.

Ratcatcher, you mention Thaksin, not Godolphin. You are correct, the system is corrupt with a melange of military, police, & business interests. But that doesn't move the ball. People being able to openly and freely express their views and to be heard is the start to moving the ball.

And, It has been a long road to this point. The history of extreme corruption and violence by the military/police goes back a long ways. The current constellation is a direct result of the cold war and the US installment of a military dictatorship - remember the violence in 76? ... The 80s and 90s were a rocky road for Thailand. The military coup in 2006 was a huge setback for democracy in Thailand. That is a fact, and not dependent on one's sympathy with the previous or current government.

When events move the country forward toward elections, discourse, and cooperation, then one can imagine that it is moving in the right, general direction for Thailand. One can hope.

Now in general and not directed at your comments, Ratcatcher, but, ...

Regarding demonstrations and violence, with your own children, when they are angry and start breaking things in the house, you restrain them, you don't shoot them, now do you? In this way, IMO, it is inexcusable for the government to have used deadly force during the protests. Period.

But in western countries, that is normal for us, is it not? When police, national guard, etc go too far in the use of force, Americans, French, British people want the police / military / national guard to be held accountable for violence against our own citizens. Why do so many Farang here on Thaivisa take a contrary point of view when it comes to Thailand? It is a contradiction that doesn't make sense, but seems to (almost) be the "norm" for people posting comments here.

Sad, ...

[Siripon]

I guess I'll be one out here and say this:

I don't support the actions of the idiots who destroyed Central World, just as I don't support the killing of innocent protesters which came from the government/army side.

However, I do support the rights of Thai people to protest against a system so rotten with corruption.

It has been mentioned above that the protests of last year were 'illegal." It is "illegal" to have demonstrations in China, Laos, Burma, etc, etc. Hitler made any protest against the third reich "illegal."

Social progress is impossible unless grossly unfair laws are challenged. American war of independence, French revolution, Indian independence movement etc.

As for all the red shirt followers being gullible, idiotic rural simpletons who only marched because they were paid is an insult to many fine Thai people who have stood up to a rotten regime.

The rally last year began a few weeks after the court seized a considerable portion of Thaksin's assets. He wanted his money back and tried everything possible, including violence and seizing central Bangkok.

Talk of democracy was just a facade to fool outsiders. And it worked well.

[Insight]

Regarding demonstrations and violence, with your own children, when they are angry and start breaking things in the house, you restrain them, you don't shoot them, now do you? In this way, IMO, it is inexcusable for the government to have used deadly force during the protests. Period.

Even after having their own men attacked with snipers and grenade attacks? There is more than ample evidence which clearly shows an armed force amongst the red shirts.

How would you deal with it?

[Buchholz]

Regarding demonstrations and violence, with your own children, when they are angry and start breaking things in the house, you restrain them, you don't shoot them, now do you? In this way, IMO, it is inexcusable for the government to have used deadly force during the protests. Period.

Personally, my children don't have M-79 Grenade Launchers.

Red Shirt Wanlop Pitheeprom firing a Grenade Launcher, shown demonstrating his skill during a police re-enactment following his arrest.

[yoshiwara]

I guess I'll be one out here and say this:

I don't support the actions of the idiots who destroyed Central World, just as I don't support the killing of innocent protesters which came from the government/army side.

However, I do support the rights of Thai people to protest against a system so rotten with corruption.

It has been mentioned above that the protests of last year were 'illegal." It is "illegal" to have demonstrations in China, Laos, Burma, etc, etc. Hitler made any protest against the third reich "illegal."

Social progress is impossible unless grossly unfair laws are challenged. American war of independence, French revolution, Indian independence movement etc.

As for all the red shirt followers being gullible, idiotic rural simpletons who only marched because they were paid is an insult to many fine Thai people who have stood up to a rotten regime.

The rally last year began a few weeks after the court seized a considerable portion of Thaksin's assets. He wanted his money back and tried everything possible, including violence and seizing central Bangkok.

Talk of democracy was just a facade to fool outsiders. And it worked well.

They tried to make it work well in the early days as the reds tried to sell their 'peaceful demonstration' story, but as always they mess up. The throwing of bags of blood was the reds advance notice that this was a fight to the end for Thaksin's return whatever the propaganda about democracy. They failed and the timetable for the election was not forced. Now that all red stratagems have failed the mask will be dumped and Thaksin as the raison d'etre of the movement will move to the forefront of the election campaign. Their forum supporters will twist and turn but they will stand in line. As always.

[animatic]

Any child breaking things around the house is not to be shot...

wow what logic. Who could imagine such restraint! <<<(insert sarcasm icon)

So any child with a gun threatening another child

and having shot off rounds, or shot another child already,

should not be shot to stop further violence,

because he is a child,

and we don't do that no matter that they do.

It's OK son, you're too little, go on about your business.

Except this is not about children at all,

it is about a rabble rouser controlled crowd, trying to make an international scene, using violence to bring down the government. With a force of ultra violent ringers in their midst, causing actual deaths and mayhem, to make the violence to blame the government with, seem worse on the world stage. To force the authorities to use stronger force to break up the rally, again, to make the government look bad and then fall.

Not the actions of children by any comparison.

Edited April 8, 2011 by animatic

[rubl]

Meanwhile, the UDD core leader pointed out that during 9-10 April the group would open a workshop, similar to what it did last year before the mass rally, but the contents would be even more concentrated to correspond to the current political situation and would revolve around the group’s strategies and operations as well as direction before and after the next general election.

History (re-)written as you watch it? Too early to say, but the UDD has a bit of a tainted image. I may be wrong, maybe just material from k. Thida's schools on democracy and how we see it