Pheu Thai Announces 20 First Party-List Candidates

[Buchholz]

The other paper is reporting this morning that Pheu Thai Party has said that one of places reserved for the Red Shirt Leaders on it's Party-list of MP's, Yoswaris Chuklom, will be lost because he is ineligible to run after not having voted in the last election. He will be replaced on the Party-list by the wife of the still-fugitive Red Shirt Leader Arisaman.

[mrtoad]

Hard to not draw the PTP=Thaksin=UDD yet again

Some of the ones missing from the top 20 have only about 2 weeks left to find another party if they choose to show their dissatisfaction with PTP leadership and their place in the roster

If there were any doubts to the links between Thaksin, Red Shirts and Pheu Thai - then this list should dispel that.

How politics has evolved, if that's the type of candidate that they can come up with - a who's who of crooks and failures.

[animatic]

Bottom line; follow the money, and follow the safety net of rewards and protection for serving the liege lord. Feudalism, nepotism, cronyism and likely terrorism rewarded, in stark relief to most any other nation.

Did we expect better? Not hardly given the track record, but even this list is surprising for the bald faced corruption on display.

Edited May 19, 2011 by animatic

[rubl]

The other paper is reporting this morning that Pheu Thai Party has said that one of places reserved for the Red Shirt Leaders on it's Party-list of MP's, Yoswaris Chuklom, will be lost because he is ineligible to run after not having voted in the last election. He will be replaced on the Party-list by the wife of the still-fugitive Red Shirt Leader Arisaman.

I can only assume that the lady has credentials other than being the wife of karaoke singer k. 'burn-it-my-way' Arisman? What is known of her campaign program? Any clips mentioned ?

[mrtoad]

The other paper is reporting this morning that Pheu Thai Party has said that one of places reserved for the Red Shirt Leaders on it's Party-list of MP's, Yoswaris Chuklom, will be lost because he is ineligible to run after not having voted in the last election. He will be replaced on the Party-list by the wife of the still-fugitive Red Shirt Leader Arisaman.

I can only assume that the lady has credentials other than being the wife of karaoke singer k. 'burn-it-my-way' Arisman? What is known of her campaign program? Any clips mentioned ?

Subsidies on petrol and matches, a free red shirt and immunty for her husband - probably.

[Buchholz]

The other paper is reporting this morning that Pheu Thai Party has said that one of places reserved for the Red Shirt Leaders on it's Party-list of MP's, Yoswaris Chuklom, will be lost because he is ineligible to run after not having voted in the last election. He will be replaced on the Party-list by the wife of the still-fugitive Red Shirt Leader Arisaman.

I can only assume that the lady has credentials other than being the wife of karaoke singer k. 'burn-it-my-way' Arisman? What is known of her campaign program? Any clips mentioned ?

for Thai Parliament Invasion, Part II, at least the future MP won't have to enter the grounds standing on the bed of a truck wearing a cowboy hat while menacingly waving canisters about... but then again, maybe she does so anyway as a tribute to the first invasion by her husband

Edited May 19, 2011 by Buchholz

[lungmi]

The first twenty on the party list, also the most likely to get an MP seat, seem well deserving people with years of valuable work in PTP or it's swallowed smaller parties. The UDD leaders are probably included for their valuable work last year ?

There are at least 6 in the Top 20 that have overtly been involved with the Red Shirts. At least four of the six are currently facing criminal charges (#7, #8, #12, and #16).

still looking up the others

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I agree with your databank.

But only 10% how you use it.

Correction, sorry Buchholz: But only 90% how you use it. In the heat of the summer my arithmetrics crashed.

[hyperdimension]

The first twenty on the party list, also the most likely to get an MP seat, seem well deserving people with years of valuable work in PTP or it's swallowed smaller parties. The UDD leaders are probably included for their valuable work last year ?

There are at least 6 in the Top 20 that have overtly been involved with the Red Shirts. At least four of the six are currently facing criminal charges (#7, #8, #12, and #16).

Please repost the photos.

[Buchholz]

The first twenty on the party list, also the most likely to get an MP seat, seem well deserving people with years of valuable work in PTP or it's swallowed smaller parties. The UDD leaders are probably included for their valuable work last year ?

There are at least 6 in the Top 20 that have overtly been involved with the Red Shirts. At least four of the six are currently facing criminal charges (#7, #8, #12, and #16).

still looking up the others

.

I agree with your databank.

But only 10% how you use it.

Correction, sorry Buchholz: But only 90% how you use it. In the heat of the summer my arithmetrics crashed.

Thank you for taking the time to clarify.

[Buchholz]

The first twenty on the party list, also the most likely to get an MP seat, seem well deserving people with years of valuable work in PTP or it's swallowed smaller parties. The UDD leaders are probably included for their valuable work last year ?

There are at least 6 in the Top 20 that have overtly been involved with the Red Shirts. At least four of the six are currently facing criminal charges (#7, #8, #12, and #16).

Please repost the photos.

I'd like to, but not allowed.

Someone complained so Admin deleted them.

Please refer to Posts #16 and #23.

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[Buchholz]

Yingluck also rejected criticism that having many red-shirt leaders on the Pheu Thai Party-list would adversely affect national reconciliation efforts, saying problems were inevitable, but the Party was willing to work for the public so she hoped people would understand.

The Nation - May 22, 2011

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/05/22/national/Yingluck-puts-Chalerm-in-charge-of-amnesty-move-30155910.html

[hanuman1]

If you're undecided which party would have the more competent MPs focused on building rather than destroying the country, just look at these two top twenty's; I don't see a single PAD, trouble maker, loud mouth, ex-actor etc among the Dem's list.

Peua Thai, with their list, have confirmed very clearly that they and the UDD responsible for the burning of Bangkok are one and the same. Furthermore, by placing repulsive characters like Jatuporn as high as 6th (he could have been 60th and still would win his MP immunity), shows that the 'leader' values his 'revolutionary credentials' far more than the politic experience and economic wisdom of Mingwan and others. Clearly the hawks won again in the battle for Peau Thai's direction. Don't be surprised if Mingwan prefers a constituency MP seat so he can switch sides later.

The Party List system practiced in Thailand has its merits to avert some money politics, but this demonstrates the flaw. The thought of Jatuporn and Nattawut getting a shoe-in for our future parliament, and of course immunity from justice, is just sickening. I have a little more respect for Dr Weng, a moderate, but lets hope the people of Bangkok are well aware of who's on this list before they vote Peau Thai in the party list system.

I think we can agree that it is common practice for parties contesting an election to put people on their party lists who they think will win, rather than lose, votes.

Be they votes for the individuals themselves or the party in general (depending on the type of party-list system), I seriously doubt there can be many on that list who PTP leaders think would cause significant amounts of PTP voters to change their vote to another party.

If the Thai population is as polarized as the majority of posters here, it would make less difference who was on who's party list anyway. Diehards don't change their minds.

[hyperdimension]

Yingluck also rejected criticism that having many red-shirt leaders on the Pheu Thai Party-list would adversely affect national reconciliation efforts, saying problems were inevitable, but the Party was willing to work for the public so she hoped people would understand.

She has not properly explained why UDD leaders, many of whom have been charged with terrorism and are out on bail, are ranked high as MP candidates on the party list. She basically responded to criticism about it with useless rhetoric ("problems were inevitable", "willing to work for the public"). Can any red shirt / Pheu Thai supporter here explain why these people are suitable persons for leading the country, particularly after having incited violence on a massive scale?

Edited May 21, 2011 by hyperdimension

[hanuman1]

Yingluck also rejected criticism that having many red-shirt leaders on the Pheu Thai Party-list would adversely affect national reconciliation efforts, saying problems were inevitable, but the Party was willing to work for the public so she hoped people would understand.

She has not properly explained why UDD leaders, many of whom have been charged with terrorism and are out on bail, are ranked high as MP candidates on the party list. She basically responded to criticism about it with useless rhetoric ("problems were inevitable", "willing to work for the public"). Can any red shirt / Pheu Thai supporter here explain why these people are suitable persons for leading the country, particularly after having incited violence on a massive scale?

Whilst I wouldn't claim to be a 'supporter' of any side, I would venture to suggest that these people are on the party list to attract votes, which they undoubtedly will among significant numbers of red-leaning voters. Sounds crazy? Sure, but they're not there for you and me.

As to whether they are suitable persons for leading the country, that again has little to do with non-Thais. They're clearly not by many standards, but the only standard that counts here is based on the idea: 'power breeds legitimacy, not vice versa'. It's something of a tradition.

Edited May 21, 2011 by hanuman1

[Buchholz]

Among those targeted by the protests is Khattiyah Sawasdiphol, the daughter of late Army specialist Maj-General Khattiya

Oh well, so much for all of her heart-wrenching vows to continue on his legacy with her emotional declarations to carry on with the Khattiyam Party that he founded and which she is the Party Leader. It's turned out to be just another insincere, hollow, empty promise as she dumps all his supporters with her abandonment. The young, novice politician has rapidly learned to play the game. Also shows she's a good actress. Those tearfully made promises looked very real at the time.

As reported above, it's a smack in the face of loyal and long-time Pheu Thai Party members and also no doubt a causation for the proverbial "turning over in his grave."

Seh Daeng's Daughter: I Will Lead Dad's Political Party EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW

and

Daughter Vows To Safeguard Thai General Khattiya's Legacies

New thread titles for the above:

Seh Daeng's Daughter: I Will Abandon Dad's Political Party

Daughter Vows To Disregard Thai General Khattiya's Legacies

Khattiyah Sawasdiphol wearing her Pheu Thai Party jacket hits the campaign trail, May 23.

Khao Sod newspaper (in Thai)

http://www.khaosod.co.th/view_news.php?newsid=TUROMmIzUXdPREl6TURVMU5BPT0=&sectionid=TURNeE9BPT0=&day=TWpBeE1TMHdOUzB5TXc9PQ==

Edited May 23, 2011 by Buchholz

[whybother]

More dissension in the ranks ....

Reds in East demand local leaders be given a chance

By THE NATION

Red shirts from the Eastern Seaboard provinces of Rayong and Chanthaburi yesterday demanded that the Pheu Thai Party nominate their local leaders as election candidates.

More than 100 supporters gathered at the party's headquarters at the OAI Tower on New Phetchaburi Road.

They want the party's preferred choice for Chanthaburi Constituency 1 replaced by Samret Jongsuthi, and for Rayong Constituency 4 replaced by Pirom Srithat, but there was no report on whether their calls would be met.

Applications for constituency candidates open today at designated centres around the country.

Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit said three teams of ex-MPs have been formed to campaign separately throughout the country.

The teams are expected to address party faithful at least 240 times over the 40 days until the July 3 election.

-- The Nation 2011-05-24

[Buchholz]

Pheu Thai, UDD to sue Suthep

BANGKOK, 24 May 2011 (NNT) – The United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship and the Pheu Thai Party will sue Democrat Party Secretary-General Suthep Thaugsuban for his groundless accusation against the party’s candidates.

UDD Secretary-General and Pheu Thai Party-listed MP candidate Natthawut Saikua deemed the allegation made by Mr Suthep a violation to Section 53 of the electoral law under the constitution; therefore legal actions must be sought.

Mr Suthep recently accused UDD core members of being terrorists who were involved in the burning of buildings around the country last May. Among the accused were Mr Nattawut himself, Mr Jatuporn Prompan and Medical Doctor Weng Tojirakarn, all of whom are also Pheu Thai Party-listed MP candidates in the upcoming general election.

Mr Suthep supported his allegation by citing arsons in many places located in Bangkok such as a number of Bangkok Bank branches, the Center One Shopping Centre and the Central World Shopping Mall after the military crackdown against the UDD protest last summer.

The Pheu Thai Party hence has designated its Spokesperson Prompong Nopparit as the party’s representative to lodge the petition to the Election Commission on 25 May 2011.

Mr Nattawut indicated that Mr Suthep would be faced with 1-10 years in prison and withdrawn from the election if he was found guilty. He added that such a ruling could lead to a potential dissolution of the Democrat Party as Mr Suthep is one of the party’s executives.

-- NNT 2011-05-24

[Buchholz]

Pheu Thai Files Charges Against the Democrats for Mudslinging

The Pheu Thai Party has petitioned the Election Commission to take legal action against the Democrat Party for mudslinging.

They allege that the Democrats accused them of harboring terrorists.

-- Tan Network 2011-05-25

[Emptyset]

This list is incorrect. It's mostly right, but Mingkwan is number 6. Weng and Jatuporn aren't in the top 20. Nattawud is 17.

[whybother]

This list is incorrect. It's mostly right, but Mingkwan is number 6. Weng and Jatuporn aren't in the top 20. Nattawud is 17.

Is there a link to the new list somewhere? (in English preferably)

[Emptyset]

Good thing you asked because I was wrong, Jatuporn is eight. Asked a friend to help translate from here: http://www.komchadlu...7%E0%B8%A2.html

1. Yingluck Shinawatra

2. Yongyuth Wichaidit

3. Chalerm Yoobamrung

4. Snoh Thienthong

5. Pracha Promnok (ex-national police chief and former leader of Puea Pandin)

6. Mingkwan

7. Suchart Thadathamrongwej (former finance minister, http://asiancorrespo...ter-an-amateur/)

8. Jatuporn

9. Plodprasob Suratsawadee

10. Pichai Narittapan (key member of PT's economics team, think he's also a fairly wealthy businessman)

11. Jarupong Ruangsuwan

12. Colonel Romanov

13. Santi Promphat

14. Wiroon Fuensaeng

15. Wiroj Pao-in

16. Nattawud Saikua

17. Surapong Towijakchaikul

18. Niwatthamrong Boonsongpaisal (former director of ITV)

19. Watana Muangsuk (son-in-law of one of the owners of Chareon Pokphand I think)

20. Yutthasak Sasiprapha (general, ex defence minister)

Mainly businessmen and ex-soldiers/police, then... Dr Weng is now 22 on the party list.

Edited May 25, 2011 by Emptyset

[hanuman1]

12. Colonel Romanov

This one looks a bit odd. Who he?

[Emptyset]

12. Colonel Romanov

This one looks a bit odd. Who he?

Hahaha - my bad, it should be Col. Aphiwan. Romanov is his nickname I believe, as he once spoke about the fall of the House of Romanov (the Russian monarchy).

[rubl]

It's funny we have various versions of the PTP party list, here's one more, slightly different with Dr. weng on position 18.

http://thachlongsarah.blogspot.com/2011/05/pheu-thai-party-list-candidates.html

PTP website has this one http://www.ptp.or.th/member/m-part.aspx which may be up-to-date

[Emptyset]

It's funny we have various versions of the PTP party list, here's one more, slightly different with Dr. weng on position 18.

http://thachlongsara...candidates.html

PTP website has this one http://www.ptp.or.th...ber/m-part.aspx which may be up-to-date

Haha, guess the one I listed was also premature. Well, the above two seem to be the same, so I assume it's correct (PT should surely have the correct list on their webpage?). Thanks Rubl, looks like we've cleared it up.

[Buchholz]

PTP website has this one http://www.ptp.or.th/member/m-part.aspx which may be up-to-date

They should have asked me for photos of their candidates that are missing from their profile.

I had 1 - 20 inclusive posted on this thread earlier, but they were removed.

[Buchholz]

It's funny we have various versions of the PTP party list, here's one more, slightly different with Dr. weng on position 18.

http://thachlongsarah.blogspot.com/2011/05/pheu-thai-party-list-candidates.html

PTP website has this one http://www.ptp.or.th/member/m-part.aspx which may be up-to-date

Not surprising there's confusion with the listings given the level of confusion this Party has been since it's founding more than 2 years ago.

I note the Spokesman for the Confused aka Pheu Thai Party Spokesman Prompong is now moving up to try and be an MP at # 41.

[samurai]

PTP website has this one http://www.ptp.or.th/member/m-part.aspx which may be up-to-date

They should have asked me for photos of their candidates that are missing from their profile.

I had 1 - 20 inclusive posted on this thread earlier, but they were removed.

I thought that are the REDS.

I want to add that the photos were maybe deleted because of copyright reason.

And links are removed when they are to websites in Thai language. It is somewhere in the rules.

That will also happen with similar post about other parties, so it isn't a censorship that want silence the PTP, as some red shirt troll maybe would argue.

[whybother]

I thought that are the REDS.

I want to add that the photos were maybe deleted because of copyright reason.

And links are removed when they are to websites in Thai language. It is somewhere in the rules.

That will also happen with similar post about other parties, so it isn't a censorship that want silence the PTP, as some red shirt troll maybe would argue.

I would think that Puea Thai would have no copyright problems for the photos of their party list members on their website.

Edited May 25, 2011 by whybother

[samurai]

I thought that are the REDS.

I want to add that the photos were maybe deleted because of copyright reason.

And links are removed when they are to websites in Thai language. It is somewhere in the rules.

That will also happen with similar post about other parties, so it isn't a censorship that want silence the PTP, as some red shirt troll maybe would argue.

I would think that Puea Thai would have no copyright problems for the photos of their party list members on their website.

For photos on their website or for photos taken from their website?

At the moment Puea Thai don't have a photo of everyone in the TOP 20 on their website.

Meanwhile Buchholz, probably traced from third sources, has photos of all of them and posted his impressive collection of the complete trading card set TOP 20 PTP.

Buchholz is the equivalent to getty image or corbis when it comes to a photo archive of anything related to TRT/PPP/PTP.

The issue here is that TVF doesn't know who has the copyrights or can in every case check if the copyright is free. In doubt, better safe than sorry and the mods will remove such photos. In case of clear copyright violation of course too.

Removed due to possible violation of copyright and/or non compliance of fair use.

Compliance with "fair use" would mean you must give a link to your source. If your source is a Thai website, or in Thai language, as it maybe the case here for photos of PTP members you come in conflict with another rule: "English is the only acceptable language, except within the Thai language forum, where of course using Thai is allowed."