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Hi parents,

for the last 9 months or so I have been home schooling my kids. I belong to a Yahoo Group called Bangkok Homeshool, which is very active and has meetings/swap books and curiculums/kids days/etc - just wonderng if there are any Home Schoolers up here - enough to make something simular - nothing that requires real effort, just a connection that we can share curiculums etc.

The BKK Homeshcoolers group has both Thais and foreigners in it - it has been legal to home school here since 1997 (education reform laws - and re-inforced in 2003 in a specific law), regitration can be made to the MoE. FYI: There is also provision to teach your own kids or a group of up to 9 (inclusive of your own kids) other home school kids as a group - shared teaching amongst parent (not hired/volunteer teacher/tutor - which would require a specific work permit! - must be a home school parent) - though personally I only teach my kids, they do music and Thai lessons externally though.

I have the MoE curiculum (in English) for 2010/11 (this year) - though in my case I have merged it with IGCSE and follow a formal timetable (incl. Maths, English (Lang/Lit), Science (Phys/Chem/Bio/Earth), IT, World History, Geography, Art, Music (External), Thai (External) and Latin) - but the curiculum is up to the parent (must be written and registered with the MoE - any formal curiculum will do - doesn't have to be their's), some in the BKK HS "club" even Unschool (form of natural learning - Google for info) their kids. It is really quite flexible.

Courses (IGCSE etc) can be purchased online - so as long as you can read and follow it yourslef, you can teach - though obviously better if you have some formal eduication yourself (MoE requires teaching home school parent to have finished High School at a minimum - certificated parents is all the better of course as is some teaching experience - though most parent have this as far as is needed to home school their own kids).

Home School kids still need interaction with other kids, so clubs are important (and external classes help too) - and is another reason to form some loose club with other parents for social interation too.

Anyway, if anyone is interested, then let me know PM - or post here (and I'll Pm you). Any question also post here - I'll try and answer them as best I can - but it is completely legal (and registerable with MoE - inscribed in law), is getting more popular here (with middle class and professional Thais in particular), is not too difficult to do, doesn't require a work permit (if you are teaching your own children) - so OK for retirees too.

It does take a fair amount of effort on the parent's side (of course) - personally, I also subscribe to a formal timetable and class times - also: homework; mock or mid-term exams; and finals each year. All of which takes time to prepare and mark. Soft copies of books are often available cheap or even free online - as are lesson plans, tests, learning aids, research for schools and so on. You can also plan you own holidays (I'm not a fan of 3 month holidays they get here - so we have more regular, but shorter breaks instead).

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How old are your kid(s)? and how far are you planning to home school them here? We are strongly considering HS our daughter formally when she is 6yrs old.

Until then we are experimenting with the idea and structure-sense of HS to determine if it is actually for us and/or her.

HS may be a good option for us because we do seasonal work abroad from June-Sept. so that omits the 1st-term of organized schooling here.

We are extremely reluctant to let our kid loose into a local school-system that has a general maxim of "if it feels good do it, if it doesn't feel good do it anyways" blink.gif

We are also considering a 2nd-term + 3-month home school scheme. We have discovered a very hopeful option with organized schools here in CM, the Panyaden primary school curriculum has resonated with us and we will consider this as an external option.

So glad you have opened up the door to starting an informal HS network here in CM. I have met Thai-parents here who are disillusioned with the government school system and are taking the lead with their kids education, some are going straight ahead and not involving the MoE into the plan saying they don't need that involvement. Which leads me to wonder, if a kid has duel citizenship do we really have to involve the MoE curriculum to HS??? mmm...

In my Country there is a wealth of community program options available all year round which gets people out and involved, here in CM I don't see much community activity,team sports et... neighbors hardly seem to know each other or care very little. Finding external activities for the HS kid in the form of clubs/groups is one thing

that we wonder about.

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How old are your kid(s)? and how far are you planning to home school them here? We are strongly considering HS our daughter formally when she is 6yrs old.

Until then we are experimenting with the idea and structure-sense of HS to determine if it is actually for us and/or her.

HS may be a good option for us because we do seasonal work abroad from June-Sept. so that omits the 1st-term of organized schooling here.

We are extremely reluctant to let our kid loose into a local school-system that has a general maxim of "if it feels good do it, if it doesn't feel good do it anyways" blink.gif

We are also considering a 2nd-term + 3-month home school scheme. We have discovered a very hopeful option with organized schools here in CM, the Panyaden primary school curriculum has resonated with us and we will consider this as an external option.

So glad you have opened up the door to starting an informal HS network here in CM. I have met Thai-parents here who are disillusioned with the government school system and are taking the lead with their kids education, some are going straight ahead and not involving the MoE into the plan saying they don't need that involvement. Which leads me to wonder, if a kid has duel citizenship do we really have to involve the MoE curriculum to HS??? mmm...

In my Country there is a wealth of community program options available all year round which gets people out and involved, here in CM I don't see much community activity,team sports et... neighbors hardly seem to know each other or care very little. Finding external activities for the HS kid in the form of clubs/groups is one thing

that we wonder about.

My girls are 9 and 11. They attended a Thai private (bilingual) school here for a couple of years - and were educated privately in the UK from the age of 2. The school was good, but I knew I could teach them better - I put them into school here (specifically a private bi-lingual instead of an international) in the hopes they would make friends and learn the social skills - though the school was good, they actually went backwards in most subjects as the Thai curiculum was behind their teaching levels from the UK private education system. They also seemed to have such a high turn over of students from term to term and a certain amount of cliqueness that the girls made and lost friends constantly - they also came from fields afar, so there was almost no out of school socialising for them either. Hence, objective defeated.

There are many types of home school approach, but personally I prefer a formal - desks, school timetable, whiteboard and teacher approach - though with good breaks between lessons (we do "2 hour on, 1 hour off, 2 on, 1 off, 2 on, finish" day mon-fri and music on saturday mornings - 1hr). I think structure is good for the kids especially when they are young - and makes life much easier as they get older too I would speculate. Thewy have laptops too with which they can do research projects and IT.

Legally speaking, I believe foreign kids (non-Thai citizens) do not need to register with the MoE at all and can be taught or not - up to the parents. Thai nationals have to be educated between 7 and 15 (I think) and if they are taken out of school, then in theory Home Schooling should be registered with the MoE - I seems easy enough to do for dual nationals (my kids are) and I mknow that in BKK there are quite a few Thai kids home schooled, so think its not so hard either (the law gives parents the right to educate as they see fit as long as it IS considered education by the MoE). So, I would think their best bet is to go that route. As for dual nationals, I really think they have no idea - the parent could have sent the kids back to their other home country - so its a good bet that no one will knock at the door - purely Thai kids may get reported by the school they are taken out of I suppose.

As to clubs, it does seem somewhat limited here - its more a case of classes such as dance, music, guitar, swimming - I see a lot of kids at the YMCA over near Kad Suan Gaew shopping mall doing activities (and English lessons too). There needs to be a youth club type of set up here that's for sure - part of what I aiming for is enough people that we can make some kind of regular kid get together for the home schooler kids (and other perhaps) - Thai, foreign and mixed - to socialise, build friends and future contacts perhaps too. With a good few people, it would be inexpensive to have activities somewhere too - especially as we have the ability to use normal school hours when activity centres are usually empty.

It seems to me that mostly groups anf get togethers here are about adults following hobbies, persuits or beer - many of us have kids, they need group activities too (and for many of us, playing in the road with a badmington raquet and ping pong ball doesn't cut it).

I've had another PM too - so numbers of parents is currently (so far) 2 or 3 if you are interested - I will keep you informed.

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We are just contemplating the academic sojourn with our child,unlike you who have two pre-teens with an increasing issue of 'places to go & people to see'.

H.S-ing seems to have a paradox; The child is taught one to one,clearly the best relationship for learning, when they enter back into mainstream schooling they are often light years ahead of their peers. One of the biggest arguments against H.Sing is that the kids inevitably face a certain degree of isolation, but I think this to be largely a myth.

Within a family context It does seem to be a challenge to socialize here. We live outside CM and not in a Moo-baan or commercial housing development where contact with like minded people may be more available. At this stage for us family association is limited to other Thai-families,which my wife clicks with,for me I am not interested in the locals and our child simply doesn't know any different.

The thing I have come to understand with Thai's and friendship is......The Thai feels a need to establish a relationship,but once having done so,have loose regard for it. After all, this life and all it's attachments are illusion, a mere passing phase. One should aspire to perfection,but not divest oneself of humanity.

I like your traditional approach to H.S with all the props,bells and whisles , this instills a classroom mindset with a time frame to work within. Apparently one of the biggest challenges of H.Sing is to maintain a sense of discipline,I don't mean behavior-wise but with continuity of work. I guess that is why a prospective H.S parent should actually have some 'degree' of academic background/experience to call upon...... Human nature being what it is, laziness can soon lead the way.

Anyways, H.S is a fascinating subject and do keep me informed. We will be leaving Thailand June.01- back Sept.29 - Cheers

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List stands at 4 possible (families that is) at the moment.

I agree about the myth of isolation - this was always believed, but studies I have read (when researching it) tends to show this is actuially false - it seems that children home schooled tend to be able to make connections at an adult level better than average, without lossing the ability to make childhood connections. Take them to clubs, the park, swimming pool, wherever, and they make play-friends just as any other kid does (I can vouch for that fact too).

I had to go for a traditional approach. If I did not then it would quickly disolve into chaos - now I have set times and set items on each day - I can plan, know I have to get up, know when I have to mark their work, know when I have to set tests etc. I need that structure to keep me at it and doing all rather than just the bits I enjoy. There is still flexability - which is a pro of HS, in that we can go somewhere or even delay classes for unexpected reasons (or simply to pop up to 7-11 for some milk etc), I also think its easiest for the girls too, to know "what" and "when" and to have some structure. They do try it on on occasion of course (Daddy can I watch the end of this movie before next lesson? - etc), but things have really run quite smoothly for us. This term they are revising for their finals, revisiting stuff from the beginning of the year - we have a science invesigation day planned for Monday as a break from all that revision.

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it seems that children home schooled tend to be able to make connections at an adult level better than average, without lossing the ability to make childhood connections.

Here in the US I work in an environment where it is easy to spot the home schoolers as they are the only kids who come into my shop during school hours with a parent. Here in the US, on average, they are less socialized than their peers. That is not to say there are not some bright precocious ones out there, but again, on average, my experience with this group does not support your statement.

And yes, you will have to bring in a tutor for English writing.

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Apparently a large percentage of home schooled children in America belong to families of religious affiliation,who may have excessive motivations in keeping their kids "sheltered" from the mainstream.

Here in the US, on average, they are less socialized than their peers.

"Socialized" is an interesting term.... in a society where every aspect of life is utterly commercialized ,such as in America, it may find definition in the degree the kid is indoctrinated into the mainstream media. Of course a home school kid, by definition, should be different and not the same as their public school peers. The home school parent affords to exercise discrimination in filtering out the noise and nonsense of the externals. It has long been said that once your kid goes to public school they are "no longer yours".... they come out the other end like a can of soup with a label on it.

There are so many variables in the Home School dynamic ,but making the child too fragile with over-protection is not something balanced home school parents make part of their agenda. It is natural and healthy for all kids to experience 'friction' and a child would need to develop different faculties to deal with it. That is just one purpose to extra-curricular activities.

It would be interesting to see the results of a long term study of where home schooled kids end up in adult life Vs. their public school peers.

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I would hope someone else is teaching spelling and grammar!!!!!!!!!!!

Yawn! No, I am - though I am not trying to teach YOU, nor am I sittng a exam. Therefore, I am not really that concerned with typos - some people obviously have much more time than I do to pick over other people's posts for typing errors rather than examining that which is being expressed. I wonder how many times you back-read and correct your little quip before hitting POST - just to make sure you didn't look even more foolish.

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it seems that children home schooled tend to be able to make connections at an adult level better than average, without lossing the ability to make childhood connections.

Here in the US I work in an environment where it is easy to spot the home schoolers as they are the only kids who come into my shop during school hours with a parent. Here in the US, on average, they are less socialized than their peers. That is not to say there are not some bright precocious ones out there, but again, on average, my experience with this group does not support your statement.

And yes, you will have to bring in a tutor for English writing.

Perhaps, but how large a control set did you have? - a few shoppers? Not even a social environment - especially for a kid with his mother (as opposed to the group of school kids). The statement was not mine per se, but from the consensus of expert views from the reports and studies I read whilst researching home schooling (socialising was one of the things that I was worried about).

As to spelling and grammar during my posts above - I really can not be bothered to reread posts before submitting them - after teaching all day I am sitting here reading posts and relaxing with a coffee - not worrying if I accidently mixed verb tenses. If it can not be understood then fne, but I reread the above posts, and yes there are errors, but it still makes sense - quel problem? In Churchill's immortal words...

Mr. Churchill, you are drunk!

Churchill: Yes, madam, and you are ugly. But in the morning, I will be sober, and you will still be ugly.

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  • 5 months later...

After sending my daughter to one international and two Thai schools I was seriously considering the option of home schooling. But lack of time and the prospect of limited interaction with other children made me decide not to try it. Then I found Fahkwang school, a very small and young school close to Makro on the super highway.

This school does not follow the government curriculum and is a not for profit organization. In pre-school (5 and younger) they do not teach the alphabet and arithmetic. Instead learning is done through playing, drawing, storytelling, finger knitting etc... For me the number one reason to consider home schooling is not that I fear that my children do not learn enough in school but rather that the school breaks their natural curiosity and kills their creativity. With this school I am very satisfied because they are not trying to change the child.

Last year they started grade one and my daughter will start next semester in grade one. So far grade one and two together will be around 10 children so there is some space for more kids. The pre-school had many new children join recently so there now is a waiting list. The school is Thai but there are many foreign and mixed children and they have a great English teacher. Mandarin Chinese is also taught as 2nd foreign language.

See www.fahkwang.com for more information (mostly in Thai) and contact details.

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OP, I thought your grammar was fine. Spelling was a bit off, but no one with a real brain cares about that. It's interesting, in all my writing courses in college, none of the profs bothered with grammar. Not to derail your thread..

Best of luck to you, I applaud your efforts!

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How old are your kid(s)? and how far are you planning to home school them here? We are strongly considering HS our daughter formally when she is 6yrs old.

Until then we are experimenting with the idea and structure-sense of HS to determine if it is actually for us and/or her.

HS may be a good option for us because we do seasonal work abroad from June-Sept. so that omits the 1st-term of organized schooling here.

We are extremely reluctant to let our kid loose into a local school-system that has a general maxim of "if it feels good do it, if it doesn't feel good do it anyways" blink.gif

We are also considering a 2nd-term + 3-month home school scheme. We have discovered a very hopeful option with organized schools here in CM, the Panyaden primary school curriculum has resonated with us and we will consider this as an external option.

So glad you have opened up the door to starting an informal HS network here in CM. I have met Thai-parents here who are disillusioned with the government school system and are taking the lead with their kids education, some are going straight ahead and not involving the MoE into the plan saying they don't need that involvement. Which leads me to wonder, if a kid has duel citizenship do we really have to involve the MoE curriculum to HS??? mmm...

In my Country there is a wealth of community program options available all year round which gets people out and involved, here in CM I don't see much community activity,team sports et... neighbors hardly seem to know each other or care very little. Finding external activities for the HS kid in the form of clubs/groups is one thing

that we wonder about.

My girls are 9 and 11. They attended a Thai private (bilingual) school here for a couple of years - and were educated privately in the UK from the age of 2. The school was good, but I knew I could teach them better - I put them into school here (specifically a private bi-lingual instead of an international) in the hopes they would make friends and learn the social skills - though the school was good, they actually went backwards in most subjects as the Thai curiculum was behind their teaching levels from the UK private education system. They also seemed to have such a high turn over of students from term to term and a certain amount of cliqueness that the girls made and lost friends constantly - they also came from fields afar, so there was almost no out of school socialising for them either. Hence, objective defeated.

There are many types of home school approach, but personally I prefer a formal - desks, school timetable, whiteboard and teacher approach - though with good breaks between lessons (we do "2 hour on, 1 hour off, 2 on, 1 off, 2 on, finish" day mon-fri and music on saturday mornings - 1hr). I think structure is good for the kids especially when they are young - and makes life much easier as they get older too I would speculate. Thewy have laptops too with which they can do research projects and IT.

Legally speaking, I believe foreign kids (non-Thai citizens) do not need to register with the MoE at all and can be taught or not - up to the parents. Thai nationals have to be educated between 7 and 15 (I think) and if they are taken out of school, then in theory Home Schooling should be registered with the MoE - I seems easy enough to do for dual nationals (my kids are) and I mknow that in BKK there are quite a few Thai kids home schooled, so think its not so hard either (the law gives parents the right to educate as they see fit as long as it IS considered education by the MoE). So, I would think their best bet is to go that route. As for dual nationals, I really think they have no idea - the parent could have sent the kids back to their other home country - so its a good bet that no one will knock at the door - purely Thai kids may get reported by the school they are taken out of I suppose.

As to clubs, it does seem somewhat limited here - its more a case of classes such as dance, music, guitar, swimming - I see a lot of kids at the YMCA over near Kad Suan Gaew shopping mall doing activities (and English lessons too). There needs to be a youth club type of set up here that's for sure - part of what I aiming for is enough people that we can make some kind of regular kid get together for the home schooler kids (and other perhaps) - Thai, foreign and mixed - to socialise, build friends and future contacts perhaps too. With a good few people, it would be inexpensive to have activities somewhere too - especially as we have the ability to use normal school hours when activity centres are usually empty.

It seems to me that mostly groups anf get togethers here are about adults following hobbies, persuits or beer - many of us have kids, they need group activities too (and for many of us, playing in the road with a badmington raquet and ping pong ball doesn't cut it).

I've had another PM too - so numbers of parents is currently (so far) 2 or 3 if you are interested - I will keep you informed.

Hi,

for some reason i can't pm you.

however, we are about to relocate in CM and my daughter will be 12 soon. considering homeschooling and a bit worried about socializing aspects.

do you have/know of any group meeetings/field trips? and if so, could we join?

appreciate your thoughts.

blossom

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