Shell

[skippybangkok]

What's the diff? Especially if ur not really a lead foot

[fredob43]

200bt at tank.

[MoonRiverOasis]

V-Power is a Euro IV grade fuel, so has significantly less sulphur than Euro III. Suplphur is substituted with synthetic lubricants which perform better and give a slightly better cetane rating, and it also contains detergents to keep the engine clean.

That's the technical description. The noticable benefits are less black smoke, slightly quiter running, and improved mid-range performance. It also gives slightly better fuel economy, but nowhere near enough to offset the higher price.

Note that Bangchak (Lemon Green) now also exclsuively sells Euro IV diesel (Super Power D and Super Power D B5), at normal gov't regulated prices (i.e. no more expensive than Euro III).

My wife has now had a few fills of the Bangchak (non Bio version), and can't tell the difference between it and V-Power.. I'm yet to try it though

[Shocktreatment]

Is there any diesel additives that are worth adding to diesel to get more power and better lubrication ?

[transam]

Depends what your used to and if you can feel a difference , some folk can't hear if a wheel bearing is making a slight noise leading to failure. No question that V-power will keep things clean especially on a ride that does high mileage. If a chip is installed then yes, big difference.

Forget about asking the wife if she feels the difference .

My own seat of the pants stuff says yes, there is a power increase.

Additives, no, V-power does it for you.

[katabeachbum]

Is there any diesel additives that are worth adding to diesel to get more power and better lubrication ?

depends on the engine

modern commonrail high rev (like 4k rpm) diesels can take advantage of V-Powers higher cetane rating and does not loose power from its lower energy content.

older and low rev (2800rpm) engines prefere "fat diesel". More sulphur more happy, a marine 10 liter can perform 10 % less on Euro III (sulphur 650ppm) not mentioning Euro IV (sulphur 50ppm). They want more sulphur. Most actually need it survive 4-5.000 hours

and in general, the less bio content the better lube and more power.

[MoonRiverOasis]

Forget about asking the wife if she feels the difference .

In some cases, perhaps. In mine, no - she probably knows more about cars than 99% of posters here

[MoonRiverOasis]

Is there any diesel additives that are worth adding to diesel to get more power and better lubrication ?

Outside of electronics, upgraded turbos and other engine mods, a mixed LPG system is probably the simplest way of getting more HP out of a diesel, but it will require more lubricant, not create more lubricity

[transam]

Forget about asking the wife if she feels the difference .

In some cases, perhaps. In mine, no - she probably knows more about cars than 99% of posters here

Lucky guy.

[Shocktreatment]

Is there any diesel additives that are worth adding to diesel to get more power and better lubrication ?

Outside of electronics, upgraded turbos and other engine mods, a mixed LPG system is probably the simplest way of getting more HP out of a diesel, but it will require more lubricant, not create more lubricity

Really dont need the extra power as I have plenty, but lubrication additive would interest me.

[transam]

Is there any diesel additives that are worth adding to diesel to get more power and better lubrication ?

Outside of electronics, upgraded turbos and other engine mods, a mixed LPG system is probably the simplest way of getting more HP out of a diesel, but it will require more lubricant, not create more lubricity

Really dont need the extra power as I have plenty, but lubrication additive would interest me.

That's cool, if you want top lubrication then install synthetic oil on your next service. Will clean stuff out and give you the ultimate in lubrication.

[fredob43]

Is there any diesel additives that are worth adding to diesel to get more power and better lubrication ?

Outside of electronics, upgraded turbos and other engine mods, a mixed LPG system is probably the simplest way of getting more HP out of a diesel, but it will require more lubricant, not create more lubricity

Really dont need the extra power as I have plenty, but lubrication additive would interest me.

That's cool, if you want top lubrication then install synthetic oil on your next service. Will clean stuff out and give you the ultimate in lubrication.

I noted that Toyota use semi synthetic in there servicing difference ???????

[Shocktreatment]

Is there any diesel additives that are worth adding to diesel to get more power and better lubrication ?

Outside of electronics, upgraded turbos and other engine mods, a mixed LPG system is probably the simplest way of getting more HP out of a diesel, but it will require more lubricant, not create more lubricity

Really dont need the extra power as I have plenty, but lubrication additive would interest me.

That's cool, if you want top lubrication then install synthetic oil on your next service. Will clean stuff out and give you the ultimate in lubrication.

All ready running Repsol synthetic oil

[rayinkrabi]

interesting stuff about additives, any thoughts on 'valvelube'?, mitsu charged me 500 baht to add this (without asking) to my new triton on it's first 'free' 1000 km service

[katabeachbum]

interesting stuff about additives, any thoughts on 'valvelube'?, mitsu charged me 500 baht to add this (without asking) to my new triton on it's first 'free' 1000 km service

Best valve lube to ad to diesel is still Sulphur. Cheap

Engine oil does not lube valves, valve lube comes through fuel or air (2stroke oil injection)

[Shocktreatment]

http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/alternative-fuels-additives-oils-lubricants/92125-diesel-additives-study-done-diesel-place.html

I guess they maybe able to help, anyone know of what brands are here in Thailand ?

[transam]

Outside of electronics, upgraded turbos and other engine mods, a mixed LPG system is probably the simplest way of getting more HP out of a diesel, but it will require more lubricant, not create more lubricity

Really dont need the extra power as I have plenty, but lubrication additive would interest me.

That's cool, if you want top lubrication then install synthetic oil on your next service. Will clean stuff out and give you the ultimate in lubrication.

I noted that Toyota use semi synthetic in there servicing difference ???????

Mixture of mineral and synthetic, better than mineral.

Can't find the list now but a leading oil producer's KM recommendation for their oil was,

5000 for mineral,

10,000 for Semi Synthetic

15,000 for full Synthetic.

[jumbo]

interesting stuff about additives, any thoughts on 'valvelube'?, mitsu charged me 500 baht to add this (without asking) to my new triton on it's first 'free' 1000 km service

Best valve lube to ad to diesel is still Sulphur. Cheap

Engine oil does not lube valves, valve lube comes through fuel or air (2stroke oil injection)

How do I put sulphur in my vpower fuel?

Buy it in a shop?? and pore in the tank?

[katabeachbum]

interesting stuff about additives, any thoughts on 'valvelube'?, mitsu charged me 500 baht to add this (without asking) to my new triton on it's first 'free' 1000 km service

Best valve lube to ad to diesel is still Sulphur. Cheap

Engine oil does not lube valves, valve lube comes through fuel or air (2stroke oil injection)

How do I put sulphur in my vpower fuel?

Buy it in a shop?? and pore in the tank?

yepp

but i cant tell you where to buy it in TH

In Scandinavia diesel euroIII (sulphur max 650ppm) was introduced approx 12-14 years ago. Boats/yachts with large low rev engines lost approx 10% speed. My twin cat 390 hp went from 30 knots at 2600 rpm to 28 knots. 2 solutions. adjust pump accordingly or ad sulphur to fuel. sulphur is really cheap, and adjusting pump to increase volume/pressure cost more fuel and revokes engines warranty, so sulphur it was when we could not get proper (fat, dirty) diesel

Running Euro IV diesel with only 50ppm sulphur and synthetic additives seems perfect candidate for sulphur adding in a euroIII vehicle, as emission will still be legal

[Gary A]

Acting on the advice of a friend, I tried several tanks of the premium Shell diesel. After about 1,500 kilometers, I saw no difference in economy or performance. It is likely more environmentally friendly but other than that, I could tell no difference. I normally use Caltex because the station is in a convenient location and the service is good.

[jumbo]

Shell V power does a few other things as well as according their website but no sulphur...

I also noticed blue innovation diesel, anyone???

[MoonRiverOasis]

I also noticed blue innovation diesel, anyone???

The way I see it, there's no correlation between Blue Innovation and EuroIV grade diesel.

Blue Innovation branding has now been applied to several hundred PTT stations, but PTT say they're dispensing EuroIV at only a handful of stations under a trial basis.. Nowhere in the Blue Innvovation diesel info is it specified as being EuroIV, so it's likely they're justifiying the Blue Innovation branding based on their petrol products only.

[katabeachbum]

I also noticed blue innovation diesel, anyone???

The way I see it, there's no correlation between Blue Innovation and EuroIV grade diesel.

Blue Innovation branding has now been applied to several hundred PTT stations, but PTT say they're dispensing EuroIV at only a handful of stations under a trial basis.. Nowhere in the Blue Innvovation diesel info is it specified as being EuroIV, so it's likely they're justifiying the Blue Innovation branding based on their petrol products only.

Blue Innovation seems to be used to promote ethanol and biodiesel, IOW Gasohol and B5

Fact is Euro IV diesel lubricants cost much more than sulphur, so all delay it as long as possible, December 2011.

[John 1]

Just add castrol 2T to each tank at fill up. for the non believers do some research it's on the web. if you put 60ltrs of diesel add 300ml of 2T you can do when you get home from fill it will mix no problem. After a tank you will notice an improvement.

[MoonRiverOasis]

Just add castrol 2T to each tank at fill up. for the non believers do some research it's on the web. if you put 60ltrs of diesel add 300ml of 2T you can do when you get home from fill it will mix no problem. After a tank you will notice an improvement.

Can you tell us the nature of the improvements you are seeing from it?

And are you using this in conjunction with EuroIII or EuroIV diesel?

[Shocktreatment]

Just add castrol 2T to each tank at fill up. for the non believers do some research it's on the web. if you put 60ltrs of diesel add 300ml of 2T you can do when you get home from fill it will mix no problem. After a tank you will notice an improvement.

I cant see it doing any harm to the fuel system and for sure would be similar to upper cylinder lube.

[fredob43]

Just add castrol 2T to each tank at fill up. for the non believers do some research it's on the web. if you put 60ltrs of diesel add 300ml of 2T you can do when you get home from fill it will mix no problem. After a tank you will notice an improvement.

I cant see it doing any harm to the fuel system and for sure would be similar to upper cylinder lube.

Work's on a 2 stroke but you do get more smoke out of them. But they have a much bigger ratio oil to petrol. As you said cant do any harm to the running. Bugger me there runing on cleaned fish & chip oil mixed with diesel in England. But I think there getting a large reduction in power. Not to mention the smell. Delish.

[transam]

Just add castrol 2T to each tank at fill up. for the non believers do some research it's on the web. if you put 60ltrs of diesel add 300ml of 2T you can do when you get home from fill it will mix no problem. After a tank you will notice an improvement.

I cant see it doing any harm to the fuel system and for sure would be similar to upper cylinder lube.

Work's on a 2 stroke but you do get more smoke out of them. But they have a much bigger ratio oil to petrol. As you said cant do any harm to the running. Bugger me there runing on cleaned fish & chip oil mixed with diesel in England. But I think there getting a large reduction in power. Not to mention the smell.

Yeh, I have been behind a chicken and chips.

[fredob43]

Just add castrol 2T to each tank at fill up. for the non believers do some research it's on the web. if you put 60ltrs of diesel add 300ml of 2T you can do when you get home from fill it will mix no problem. After a tank you will notice an improvement.

I cant see it doing any harm to the fuel system and for sure would be similar to upper cylinder lube.

Work's on a 2 stroke but you do get more smoke out of them. But they have a much bigger ratio oil to petrol. As you said cant do any harm to the running. Bugger me there runing on cleaned fish & chip oil mixed with diesel in England. But I think there getting a large reduction in power. Not to mention the smell.

Yeh, I have been behind a chicken and chips.

Might be a problem with old oil here though mixed with Chillie.

[skippybangkok]

Hooly Dooly......... lot of answers.

My machine does go up to 5,000 rpm + to red line, so i guess the better diesel makes sense. I dont put my foot down alot, but when i do i see a big smoke screen when accelerating..... will try with the bette quality stuff and see