Thai Democrat Rally At Ratchaprasong 'Not Just To Woo Voters'

[tominbkk]

They should have been doing this long ago. Letting the red shirts attempt to take some kind of moral high ground from their terrorist seizure of the city is ridiculous. Red Shirts deliberately set out to create as much bloodshed as possible, by launching terrorists attacks against the city from their barricaded and armed fort, until the army had no choice but to remove them. Reasoning that every government that engaged in conflict with protesters was overthrown, and the government would be forced to step down after the battle was over and the pawns were dead, paving the way for Thaksin to immediately return. Ridiculous that they have until now meekly let them use this as a propaganda vehicle.

Perfect, spot on post! Cheers for that one!

[ianbaggie]

I guess the Democrats rallying at Democracy Monument would have given very similar comments.

The Pheu Thai deputy leader Chat Kuldilok seems a bit naive for a politician to say "he was disappointed that the country's oldest political party would stoop down to discredit Pheu Thai".

As for 'hurting the feelings of the red shirts even more by choosing to rally where the crackdown happened', words slowly start to fail me

Did the PTP kill any protestors at Democracy monument? I don't think so. Democracy Monument was erected to commemorate the coup d'etat that established a constitutional monarchy. I am surprised you did not criticize the selection of the Democracy Monument on that basis.

The Democrat party holding a rally at the site of where some of its oppenents violently died is rubbing salt into a very open wound. The Democrat party can hold its rallies anywhere it is legally allowed to do so, but the selection of the site shows poor judgement and a lack of sensitivity.

You fail to provide once again ANY proof whasoever that the Democrats killed anyone. You assume that only red shirts and PTP are the victims when infact they were the provocative assailants according to many peoples beliefs and evidence. Why does a central section of the capital city belong to a group of people who deliberately camt to bangkok to incite a riot. Red shirts should stop believing they have an intrinsic right to put pressure on people to force what they want to happen. Only the very immature in their perception of events would follow this line of thinking and only those even more immature would support it.

[ianbaggie]

Thanks for making this distinction between the PTP and UDD. It's just another example of how the lazy, disingenuous and deliberately devisive formula trumpeted by the military cheerleaders: PTP = UDD = Thaksin is flawed and serves only to disrupt constructive debate by willfully ignoring the pertinent differences between these players.

You have done this thread a good turn, in my opinion.

How do explain the number of UDD leaders on the PTP party list? Tell me again about the pertinent differences in the players?

TH

There are some UDD leaders on the PTP party list. Others on the PTP party list have nothing to do with the UDD. This is one reason why the PTP is NOT the same as the UDD. Does this make sense to you?

Not when youadd in the fact that they are both puppet organisations of Thaksin Shinawatra.

[ianbaggie]

Thanks for making this distinction between the PTP and UDD. It's just another example of how the lazy, disingenuous and deliberately devisive formula trumpeted by the military cheerleaders: PTP = UDD = Thaksin is flawed and serves only to disrupt constructive debate by willfully ignoring the pertinent differences between these players.

You have done this thread a good turn, in my opinion.

Rubl (and you) are only partially correct. Since obviously running Jatuporn (PTP MP) and Natthuwut and Arisaman's wife and so many more red shirt leaders as party-list MP's, --- conclusively links the PTP and UDD together. That Thaksin is the controlling force behind both is obvious to anyone with even a smidgen of intellectual honesty.

Of course the PTP and UDD have links. Who said that they haven't? This does not mean that they are the same, does it? You keep going on about honesty whilst at the same time constantly peddling this lie.

You know exactly what you are doing. You simplify your analysis to exclude relevant details so you can come up with pithy-looking formulas to more easily convince others to think the same way as you. You are welcome to your crusade, but don't lecture others about intellectual honesty, please!

PTP = UDD = Thaksin is flawed

Seems some need the required lecture

If you dont agree maybe you giove examples and be a litle more specific of your criticism of the poster - it would help us all I think to decipher your comments!!

[ianbaggie]

They should have been doing this long ago. Letting the red shirts attempt to take some kind of moral high ground from their terrorist seizure of the city is ridiculous. Red Shirts deliberately set out to create as much bloodshed as possible, by launching terrorists attacks against the city from their barricaded and armed fort, until the army had no choice but to remove them. Reasoning that every government that engaged in conflict with protesters was overthrown, and the government would be forced to step down after the battle was over and the pawns were dead, paving the way for Thaksin to immediately return. Ridiculous that they have until now meekly let them use this as a propaganda vehicle.

Perfect, spot on post! Cheers for that one!

Yes........................that sums up how things really are!! Thaksin seems to have duped the electorate into seeing the Emperor in his clothes and at last the little boy has had "but hes in the altogether"!!

[rixalex]

Of course the PTP and UDD have links. Who said that they haven't? This does not mean that they are the same, does it? You keep going on about honesty whilst at the same time constantly peddling this lie.

Funny to see the same posters who were telling us how closely linked PAD and the Dems were, when the Dems formed government, and cited the one man in government with direct PAD connections, Kasit, as being proof of this, now keen to stress the differences there are between UDD and PTP, considering how many individuals there are in the PTP who have direct connections to UDD. It's a lot more than one.

[webfact]

Red-shirts at Ratchaprasong to 'Curse' Democrats

The red-shirt group has gathered at Ratchaprasong Intersection to conduct a ceremony to curse the Democrat Party.

The group has promised not to interfere with the Democrat's planned gathering there tomorrow but added that any red-shirts who show up are fake red-shirt members.

-- Tan Network 2011-06-22

[whybother]

The group has promised not to interfere with the Democrat's planned gathering there tomorrow but added that any red-shirts who show up are fake red-shirt members.

Is suppose, given that any red shirts that turn up will be fake red shirts, it will be OK to dump them in a back of a truck and get them out of there.

[hanuman1]

Thanks for making this distinction between the PTP and UDD. It's just another example of how the lazy, disingenuous and deliberately devisive formula trumpeted by the military cheerleaders: PTP = UDD = Thaksin is flawed and serves only to disrupt constructive debate by willfully ignoring the pertinent differences between these players.

You have done this thread a good turn, in my opinion.

Rubl (and you) are only partially correct. Since obviously running Jatuporn (PTP MP) and Natthuwut and Arisaman's wife and so many more red shirt leaders as party-list MP's, --- conclusively links the PTP and UDD together. That Thaksin is the controlling force behind both is obvious to anyone with even a smidgen of intellectual honesty.

Of course the PTP and UDD have links. Who said that they haven't? This does not mean that they are the same, does it? You keep going on about honesty whilst at the same time constantly peddling this lie.

You know exactly what you are doing. You simplify your analysis to exclude relevant details so you can come up with pithy-looking formulas to more easily convince others to think the same way as you. You are welcome to your crusade, but don't lecture others about intellectual honesty, please!

Which relevant details am I leaving out? That "Thaksin Thinks PTP does" is an official slogan of PTP? That PTP has placed all of the top leaders of the UDD/redshirts that were active during the redshirt insurrection in 2010 on the party-list? (Pardon -- there may be a couple of leaders not on the party-list like Arisaman -- his wife is on it since Arisaman is on the run from the law -- there may be a couple more without college degree's, I am not sure). That Thaksin is the real leader behind the redshirts? ----

They aren't linked --- they are part of the same 3 backed beast.

Okay, we all have eyes and know about the UDD people in the PTP party list. Clearly, both organizations have the shared goal of unseating the government and both have the voting blocks required - when added together - to have a realistic shot at achieving that goal. Nothing unusual so far.

Being a political party, the PTP has a manifesto. Supposedly, it has set out its aims when it comes to governing the country. I would suggest that apart from both of them wanting Thaksin to come back, their visions for the future of Thailand are different (the red shirt vision being more 'left-leaning', for want of a better phrase), which is just one way in which they can't be labelled 'the same' - their long term goals, which more accurately mirror their fundamental beliefs - are different.

There were also stories around a few months ago about some PTP members who were not exactly happy about having UDD people on the party list. Maybe they thought the link between the UDD and violent events would do the PTP no good at the polls, or perhaps there were ideological differences as I alluded to above.

That Thaksin has influence over these groups is evident. Probably a lot more over the PTP than the UDD given his apparent ability to seemingly handpick their 'leader'. Again, this doesn't mean that the UDD and PTP are the same. If Thaksin was in such total control, why have 2 separate organizations to command and coax into doing his will, with all the extra maneuvering and persuation that requires, why not disband the UDD and tell all their followers to just vote PTP. It doesn't make sense. Thaksin's job would be a lot easier this way. If he wanted to sow violence and confusion at rallies, why would he do it using an organisation that can deliver him enough votes to get back into Thailand, and jeapordise that group's support among voters as a result?

All you career Thaksin haters do an admirable job in standing up for the legal system of this country and emphasising its edicts and rulings. Fair enough. But is this a country where such strong belief in the rule of law is endemic? Thailand's legal framework is fickle and often ignored in everyday life. When making assertions like 'Thaksin will go to jail as soon as he returns to Thailand', you are forgetting both this and the strength of feeling toward Thaksin among voters.

But I digress. The bottom line is that the PTP and UDD are separate organizations with their own structures, ideologies and spheres of influence. No one is arguing that they have a lot in common at this particular point in time but that doesn't mean they are the same. In Cambodia, the Royalists and the Khmer Rouge were allies at one point. As diverse a pairing of 'allies' you couldn't find, even when Pol Pot was pulling the strings behind both. Just an example.

Cue dudes claiming that this proves Thaksin = Pol Pot....

[animatic]

Red-shirts at Ratchaprasong to 'Curse' Democrats

The red-shirt group has gathered at Ratchaprasong Intersection to conduct a ceremony to curse the Democrat Party.

The group has promised not to interfere with the Democrat's planned gathering there tomorrow but added that any red-shirts who show up are fake red-shirt members.

-- Tan Network 2011-06-22

As if it couldn't get more moronic....

Oh wait!

[jdinasia]

Ah yes ... the dreaded "fake red shirts"

[rixalex]

There were also stories around a few months ago about some PTP members who were not exactly happy about having UDD people on the party list. Maybe they thought the link between the UDD and violent events would do the PTP no good at the polls, or perhaps there were ideological differences as I alluded to above.

I think you know full well - or at least you should - the vast vast majority of Thai politicians do not really have political ideologies to speak of - not ideologies as we know them anyway. They simply have a desire to increase their circle of power and control, which most of them already enjoy to some degree through business dealings - family business in the main.

If Thaksin was in such total control, why have 2 separate organizations to command and coax into doing his will, with all the extra maneuvering and persuation that requires, why not disband the UDD and tell all their followers to just vote PTP. It doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense. UDD can act as the "muscle" that takes to the streets and "punches" the message across, whilst the PTP can act as if above all that, a statesmanly image, diplomatic and poised, but all the while actually reading from exactly the same hymn sheet.

Cue the red dudes claiming that Arisman, Jatuporn etc actually aren't that muscley and never punch people.

[jdinasia]

That Thaksin has influence over these groups is evident. Probably a lot more over the PTP than the UDD given his apparent ability to seemingly handpick their 'leader'. Again, this doesn't mean that the UDD and PTP are the same. If Thaksin was in such total control, why have 2 separate organizations to command and coax into doing his will, with all the extra maneuvering and persuation that requires, why not disband the UDD and tell all their followers to just vote PTP. It doesn't make sense. Thaksin's job would be a lot easier this way. If he wanted to sow violence and confusion at rallies, why would he do it using an organisation that can deliver him enough votes to get back into Thailand, and jeapordise that group's support among voters as a result?

Let's tear this apart piece by piece ......

UDD street level violent grassroots* organization that can carry out the 'real politik' agenda of the political arm, while the political arms cries ... "but we are different!" Extremely useful in creating conflict that it appears only THEIR political arm can handle.

PTP a seemingly 'above board' political arm to use to offer a relief from their street level thugs. "With us in power this won't happen" The political arm spouts the same simple message over and over (nothing complex -- just a message to get into the minds of a limited electorate)

Why bring the UDD (indicted) terrorists into the PTP? To keep the loyalty of the street level organization AND as political payback for the UDD leaders that took the risks. Why keep both? Violence may still be needed. Thaksin's job would be much harder without both groups. It is a stick and carrot approach to real politik.

Weng and others learned how to work the three pronged attack against a government back in Vietnam a long time ago, their only failure was that the third prong (bringing the military over to their side) failed. Had they succeeded in getting the military everything would have ended quite differently.

You will note that Chavalit's break with PTP was over the LM charges levied against the red shirt leaders.

This article from AT may help those who have lost the plot, catch back up.

Thai power grows from the barrel of a gun

By William Barnes

BANGKOK - The relative success of Thailand's red-garbed anti-government protest group in outmaneuvering the government and military owes much to Maoist revolutionary thought and guerilla tactics.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LE13Ae01.html

[OzMick]

Thanks for making this distinction between the PTP and UDD. It's just another example of how the lazy, disingenuous and deliberately devisive formula trumpeted by the military cheerleaders: PTP = UDD = Thaksin is flawed and serves only to disrupt constructive debate by willfully ignoring the pertinent differences between these players.

You have done this thread a good turn, in my opinion.

Rubl (and you) are only partially correct. Since obviously running Jatuporn (PTP MP) and Natthuwut and Arisaman's wife and so many more red shirt leaders as party-list MP's, --- conclusively links the PTP and UDD together. That Thaksin is the controlling force behind both is obvious to anyone with even a smidgen of intellectual honesty.

Of course the PTP and UDD have links. Who said that they haven't? This does not mean that they are the same, does it? You keep going on about honesty whilst at the same time constantly peddling this lie.

You know exactly what you are doing. You simplify your analysis to exclude relevant details so you can come up with pithy-looking formulas to more easily convince others to think the same way as you. You are welcome to your crusade, but don't lecture others about intellectual honesty, please!

I look at them as Siamese twins joined at hip and shoulder, and sharing some organs. Not human of course; perhaps canine or porcine, maybe one of each. One adept at the trough, the other at vicious fighting. Well trained though, obeying all the orders of their master.

Is that intellectually honest enough for you?

[jdinasia]

It is worth noting that the AT article was published the day that Seh Daeng was shot. (I am still wondering which of the at least 7 possible groups ordered that shot!)

[Thai at Heart]

At a time of trying to get votes on your side, holding a rally from which you appear "not to care" whether it encourages people to vote for the other party, would appear to be akin to political suicide.

The ruling Democrat Party is ready to face the consequences of its plan to rally at Ratchaprasong and express its views on the bloody military crackdown last year, irrespective of whether it is good or bad for its voting results, party strategist Korbsak Sabhavasu said yesterday.

Taking the moral high ground really doesn't seem to resonate with the Thai voting populous.

[lannarebirth]

The Democrat party holding a rally at the site of where some of its oppenents violently died is rubbing salt into a very open wound. The Democrat party can hold its rallies anywhere it is legally allowed to do so, but the selection of the site shows poor judgement and a lack of sensitivity.

I couldn't disagree more. It is THE very best plce to hold a rally. Attention needs to be focused on what actually did happen therelast year, before it drifts into mythology and outright lies. If the Reds win a majority I expect theywill try to create a national holiday based on the "freedon fighters" who died in Ratchaphrasong. The truth that they cold bloodedly murdered their own ought to see the light of day befor that happens.

[hanuman1]

That Thaksin has influence over these groups is evident. Probably a lot more over the PTP than the UDD given his apparent ability to seemingly handpick their 'leader'. Again, this doesn't mean that the UDD and PTP are the same. If Thaksin was in such total control, why have 2 separate organizations to command and coax into doing his will, with all the extra maneuvering and persuation that requires, why not disband the UDD and tell all their followers to just vote PTP. It doesn't make sense. Thaksin's job would be a lot easier this way. If he wanted to sow violence and confusion at rallies, why would he do it using an organisation that can deliver him enough votes to get back into Thailand, and jeapordise that group's support among voters as a result?

Let's tear this apart piece by piece ......

UDD street level violent grassroots* organization that can carry out the 'real politik' agenda of the political arm, while the political arms cries ... "but we are different!" Extremely useful in creating conflict that it appears only THEIR political arm can handle.

PTP a seemingly 'above board' political arm to use to offer a relief from their street level thugs. "With us in power this won't happen" The political arm spouts the same simple message over and over (nothing complex -- just a message to get into the minds of a limited electorate)

Why bring the UDD (indicted) terrorists into the PTP? To keep the loyalty of the street level organization AND as political payback for the UDD leaders that took the risks. Why keep both? Violence may still be needed. Thaksin's job would be much harder without both groups. It is a stick and carrot approach to real politik.

Weng and others learned how to work the three pronged attack against a government back in Vietnam a long time ago, their only failure was that the third prong (bringing the military over to their side) failed. Had they succeeded in getting the military everything would have ended quite differently.

You will note that Chavalit's break with PTP was over the LM charges levied against the red shirt leaders.

This article from AT may help those who have lost the plot, catch back up.

Thai power grows from the barrel of a gun

By William Barnes

BANGKOK - The relative success of Thailand's red-garbed anti-government protest group in outmaneuvering the government and military owes much to Maoist revolutionary thought and guerilla tactics.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LE13Ae01.html

Why bring the UDD (indicted) terrorists into the PTP? To keep the loyalty of the street level organization AND as political payback for the UDD leaders that took the risks. Why keep both? Violence may still be needed. Thaksin's job would be much harder without both groups. It is a stick and carrot approach to real politik.

I thought the 'Black Shirts' were supposed to be Thaksin's 'muscle'. They appeared somewhat more potent than red shirts with catapults and molotovs. Never mind.

The fact that UDD leaders are being 'paid back' for taking risks by getting party-list places simply shows that they may have been being used - for votes (or violence, as you would have it) - which doesn't say much about their innate 'sameness' to PTP members or Thaksin.

Anyway, having 'torn this up piece by piece', chalk this up as another TV victory, big guy. You deserve it!

[Thai at Heart]

The Democrat party holding a rally at the site of where some of its oppenents violently died is rubbing salt into a very open wound. The Democrat party can hold its rallies anywhere it is legally allowed to do so, but the selection of the site shows poor judgement and a lack of sensitivity.

I couldn't disagree more. It is THE very best plce to hold a rally. Attention needs to be focused on what actually did happen therelast year, before it drifts into mythology and outright lies. If the Reds win a majority I expect theywill try to create a national holiday based on the "freedon fighters" who died in Ratchaphrasong. The truth that they cold bloodedly murdered their own ought to see the light of day befor that happens.

They can have their rally where ever they want. However, having since the Bangkok population is generally sick of these protests, I would imagine that having a rally like this just before the election will simply annoy a lot of people in downtown Bangkok. Not a very smart political move I would think.

[jdinasia]

The Democrat party holding a rally at the site of where some of its oppenents violently died is rubbing salt into a very open wound. The Democrat party can hold its rallies anywhere it is legally allowed to do so, but the selection of the site shows poor judgement and a lack of sensitivity.

I couldn't disagree more. It is THE very best plce to hold a rally. Attention needs to be focused on what actually did happen therelast year, before it drifts into mythology and outright lies. If the Reds win a majority I expect theywill try to create a national holiday based on the "freedon fighters" who died in Ratchaphrasong. The truth that they cold bloodedly murdered their own ought to see the light of day befor that happens.

I expect it will take a generation to begin to get the story told accurately upcountry in some areas. The idea of the Dems opening wounds is belied by the reds monthly rallies held there. I sure hope the Dems can use AV (audio-visual) footage of some of the red leaders calling for the burning of BKK followed by pictures the world saw of BKK burning.

[hanuman1]

There were also stories around a few months ago about some PTP members who were not exactly happy about having UDD people on the party list. Maybe they thought the link between the UDD and violent events would do the PTP no good at the polls, or perhaps there were ideological differences as I alluded to above.

I think you know full well - or at least you should - the vast vast majority of Thai politicians do not really have political ideologies to speak of - not ideologies as we know them anyway. They simply have a desire to increase their circle of power and control, which most of them already enjoy to some degree through business dealings - family business in the main.

If Thaksin was in such total control, why have 2 separate organizations to command and coax into doing his will, with all the extra maneuvering and persuation that requires, why not disband the UDD and tell all their followers to just vote PTP. It doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense. UDD can act as the "muscle" that takes to the streets and "punches" the message across, whilst the PTP can act as if above all that, a statesmanly image, diplomatic and poised, but all the while actually reading from exactly the same hymn sheet.

Cue the red dudes claiming that Arisman, Jatuporn etc actually aren't that muscley and never punch people.

Well you won't find me defending those two. Abhisit's the best leader in town by a mile. By our standards.

[webfact]

Red-shirt leader Nutthawut claims northeastern men set to disrupt Democrat rally at Ratchaprasong tomorrow, says no affiliation with reds /TAN_network

[OzMick]

It is worth noting that the AT article was published the day that Seh Daeng was shot. (I am still wondering which of the at least 7 possible groups ordered that shot!)

Does it matter? My bet is on Thaksin's orders, simply because his attack dog had forgotten that he was supposed to be covert and deniable. The fact that he was doing an interview at the time supports the theory, but it may just have been fortuitous. Last words(?) - "May god strike me dead if I'm lying........."

I hope the shooter was well rewarded, not a debt that I would welch on.

[lannarebirth]

Red-shirt leader Nutthawut claims northeastern men set to disrupt Democrat rally at Ratchaprasong tomorrow, says no affiliation with reds /TAN_network

A pre-emptive fake Red Shirt proclamation.

[OzMick]

The Democrat party holding a rally at the site of where some of its oppenents violently died is rubbing salt into a very open wound. The Democrat party can hold its rallies anywhere it is legally allowed to do so, but the selection of the site shows poor judgement and a lack of sensitivity.

I couldn't disagree more. It is THE very best plce to hold a rally. Attention needs to be focused on what actually did happen therelast year, before it drifts into mythology and outright lies. If the Reds win a majority I expect theywill try to create a national holiday based on the "freedon fighters" who died in Ratchaphrasong. The truth that they cold bloodedly murdered their own ought to see the light of day befor that happens.

They can have their rally where ever they want. However, having since the Bangkok population is generally sick of these protests, I would imagine that having a rally like this just before the election will simply annoy a lot of people in downtown Bangkok. Not a very smart political move I would think.

You're right, one day is annoying; months however, make you very, very angry.

[jdinasia]

Red-shirt leader Nutthawut claims northeastern men set to disrupt Democrat rally at Ratchaprasong tomorrow, says no affiliation with reds /TAN_network

Right ---- it just so happens that the Red leader Nutthuwat (PTP party-list) happens to know that there WILL be men from Isaan disrupting a political campaign ... but they aren't real reds! He must be amazingly clued-in to the "fake reds" as well as his own violent mob!

(note the perfect example of why Thaksin tries to keep the reds and PTP thought of as separate (yet can't since the guy making this proclamation is on the party-list for PTP --- political payback for his efforts last year!)

Edited June 22, 2011 by jdinasia

[lannarebirth]

The Democrat party holding a rally at the site of where some of its oppenents violently died is rubbing salt into a very open wound. The Democrat party can hold its rallies anywhere it is legally allowed to do so, but the selection of the site shows poor judgement and a lack of sensitivity.

I couldn't disagree more. It is THE very best plce to hold a rally. Attention needs to be focused on what actually did happen therelast year, before it drifts into mythology and outright lies. If the Reds win a majority I expect theywill try to create a national holiday based on the "freedon fighters" who died in Ratchaphrasong. The truth that they cold bloodedly murdered their own ought to see the light of day befor that happens.

They can have their rally where ever they want. However, having since the Bangkok population is generally sick of these protests, I would imagine that having a rally like this just before the election will simply annoy a lot of people in downtown Bangkok. Not a very smart political move I would think.

You're right, one day is annoying; months however, make you very, very angry.

I think it might also depend on the substance of the proceedings and if the local populace feels threatened by what is taking place.

[OzMick]

Red-shirt leader Nutthawut claims northeastern men set to disrupt Democrat rally at Ratchaprasong tomorrow, says no affiliation with reds /TAN_network

As believable as usual! Does the man not realise that statements like this make him look even more stupid than most people already believe he is?

[whybother]

Red-shirt leader Nutthawut claims northeastern men set to disrupt Democrat rally at Ratchaprasong tomorrow, says no affiliation with reds /TAN_network

Ahhh ... already the claim for the fake-reds.

[hanuman1]

Red-shirt leader Nutthawut claims northeastern men set to disrupt Democrat rally at Ratchaprasong tomorrow, says no affiliation with reds /TAN_network

Right ---- it just so happens that the Red leader Nutthuwat (PTP party-list) happens to know that there WILL be men from Isaan disrupting a political campaign ... but they aren't real reds! He must be amazingly clued-in to the "fake reds" as well as his own violent mob!

(note the perfect example of why Thaksin tries to keep the reds and PTP thought of as separate (yet can't since the guy making this proclamation is on the party-list for PTP --- political payback for his efforts last year!)

Can someone remind me why Nutthawut isn't currently in custody? If he's on bail, don't the bail conditions preclude him from making announcements like this? It's not like he's got MP's immunity.