Thai Court Denies Jatuporn's Temporary Release On Election Day

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Court Denies Jatuporn's Temporary Release on Election Day

The Criminal Court has denied a request to temporarily release red shirt leader Jatuporn Phrompan so he can go vote on July 3.

The court cited that the reasoning in the petition was merely an opinion and not fact.

Jatuporn's lawyer pleaded with the court, claiming that if he is not allowed to go vote, he will be disqualified when he wins an MP seat under the Pheu Thai party-list.

-- Tan Network 2011-06-28

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RT @tulsathit: RT @PongYink: If the court allows JP to vote, then other prisoners should also be permitted.

RT @tulsathit: Question from newsroom: If Jatuporn misses out on a House seat, will Thaksin/Yingluck close the door &heave a sigh of relief?

RT @tulsathit: If Jatuporn can't vote, he can't b MP. His only chance is get Supreme Court to force EC to accept his "election" after July3

[thaicbr]

So prisoners can not vote in advance?

[whybother]

So prisoners can not vote in advance?

Prisoners can not vote.

[RogueExpat]

Brilliant. Best news all day. Keep the [alleged ] terrorist behind bars where he belongs.

[Who, me ?]

Good! Keep him locked, and prevent this terrorist from being elected ever again....If he was genuine and wanted to do something good for his country, then he would not be in jail now....

The sole purpose of him to be elected (if he gather enough votes of course) would be to obtain another immunity....

[alexakap]

>>>>Prisoners can not vote.

>>>If Jatuporn can't vote, he can't b MP.

>>No MP - no "another immunity".... .

>Keep the [alleged ] terrorist behind bars

Seems like the Strategy to me, not just a random facts.

Edited June 28, 2011 by alexakap

[jdinasia]

Good! Keep him locked, and prevent this terrorist from being elected ever again....If he was genuine and wanted to do something good for his country, then he would not be in jail now....

The sole purpose of him to be elected (if he gather enough votes of course) would be to obtain another immunity....

Jatuporn is "party-list" and thus nobody actually votes for him directly. He is high up on the party-list as well. (Automatically assured of a seat as an MP) ---

I don't think anyone but Jatuporn himself will be very upset by this.

[Bruce1]

No self-respecting country allows prisoners to vote.

[geriatrickid]

I was unaware that Jatuporn Phrompan was convicted of terrorism. Is he not just being detained on charges? If he is not convicted then he is not legally guilty of the crime, right? If detained and cannot vote than his basic civil rights are infringed upon. Slippery slope. I believe that a court would rule in his favour as he would then have been illegally disenfranchsed. There is a bigger issue at play: The right to vote. If convicted and if the law says convicted prisoners cannot vote, then yes he cannot vote. if not convicted, he has the right to vote. That''s what the law says right? Or, do the people espousing the rule of law only believe the laws that they agree with should be upheld?

Edited June 28, 2011 by geriatrickid

[noahvail]

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if not convicted, he has the right to vote. That''s what the law says right? Or, do the people espousing the rule of law only believe the laws that they agree with should be upheld?

It would appear that is not what the law says. That's according to the Thai court. Thailand, Thai law. Simple, really.

I don't agree with that law - it's seems the moral thing to do is to permit remand prisoners to vote in some way (some countries use mail ballots). But TiT, and not every law here is the same as in the West.

[rubl]

I was unaware that Jatuporn Phrompan was convicted of terrorism. Is he not just being detained on charges? If he is not convicted then he is not legally guilty of the crime, right? If detained and cannot vote than his basic civil rights are infringed upon. Slippery slope. I believe that a court would rule in his favour as he would then have been illegally disenfranchsed. There is a bigger issue at play: The right to vote. If convicted and if the law says convicted prisoners cannot vote, then yes he cannot vote. if not convicted, he has the right to vote. That''s what the law says right? Or, do the people espousing the rule of law only believe the laws that they agree with should be upheld?

I guess speculation doesn't help. It's time to ask a lawyer or start reading the Thai laws yourself. Keep in mind Thai laws may be somewhat different from those in your country of origin.

[jdinasia]

I was unaware that Jatuporn Phrompan was convicted of terrorism. Is he not just being detained on charges? If he is not convicted then he is not legally guilty of the crime, right? If detained and cannot vote than his basic civil rights are infringed upon. Slippery slope. I believe that a court would rule in his favour as he would then have been illegally disenfranchsed. There is a bigger issue at play: The right to vote. If convicted and if the law says convicted prisoners cannot vote, then yes he cannot vote. if not convicted, he has the right to vote. That''s what the law says right? Or, do the people espousing the rule of law only believe the laws that they agree with should be upheld?

I guess speculation doesn't help. It's time to ask a lawyer or start reading the Thai laws yourself. Keep in mind Thai laws may be somewhat different from those in your country of origin.

You don't get to vote in most places in the world if you are in jail. Not a slippery slope at all. A court has already ruled and not in his favor. The law says if you are in jail you cannot vote.

If you were arrested in the US and bound over for trial you would not be allowed out to vote either. I think the same is true in the UK. The other paper reports, if you are in jail you cannot vote.

[renaissanc]

What a shame that the government / courts released the other UDD leaders before.

It seems that anyone who works for Thaksin is either corrupt, a terrorist, or a criminal on remand or convicted. What a wonderful circle of friends the Fugitive has.

[slapout]

Jatuporn seems to enjoy stirring up the masses, and pushing the system to the limit when it suits his agenda. If he finds himself disqualified from immunity status, it will be from his own overestimation of his worth/importance. This seems to be a common trait with those he associates with.

[SomTumTiger]

Hope he doesn't drop the soap to many times 55555

Wait, no I don't

Edited June 28, 2011 by SomTumTiger

[hellodolly]

What a shame that the government / courts released the other UDD leaders before.

It seems that anyone who works for Thaksin is either corrupt, a terrorist, or a criminal on remand or convicted. What a wonderful circle of friends the Fugitive has.

And the really sad thing is Thailand allows them to run for office so they can not be charged with there crimes.

To top it all off the average Thai has no problem with that.

[Lite Beer]

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[Crushdepth]

No self-respecting country allows prisoners to vote.

No self-respecting country tolerates corrupt MPs, either.

[Buchholz]

What a shame that the government / courts released the other UDD leaders before.

It seems that anyone who works for Thaksin is either corrupt, a terrorist, or a criminal on remand or convicted. What a wonderful circle of friends the Fugitive has.

add in other fugitives on the run to his circle of associates and its a good summation of the Thaksin milieu.

[lannarebirth]

I was unaware that Jatuporn Phrompan was convicted of terrorism. Is he not just being detained on charges? If he is not convicted then he is not legally guilty of the crime, right? If detained and cannot vote than his basic civil rights are infringed upon. Slippery slope. I believe that a court would rule in his favour as he would then have been illegally disenfranchsed. There is a bigger issue at play: The right to vote. If convicted and if the law says convicted prisoners cannot vote, then yes he cannot vote. if not convicted, he has the right to vote. That''s what the law says right? Or, do the people espousing the rule of law only believe the laws that they agree with should be upheld?

Jatuporn is Guilty of violating his bail conditions, which i believe is something akin to contempt of court. If he has become disenfranchised it because of his own doing.

Top red shirt leaders Jatuporn Prompan and Nisit Sinthuprai had their bail revoked on Thursday after the court found them guilty of violating their bail conditions.

[jfchandler]

Leaving aside my personal views of his politics, Jatuporn ought to be treated the same as any other Thai prisoner in detention...

And, I haven't seen any particular move to let convicted or confined, alleged criminals out on Election Day so they can perform their civic duty.

[OzMick]

There are a few days left - can't we get the bail revoked for the rest of the UDD mongrels?

[OzMick]

a point of interest - If Jatuporn is disqualified from becoming an MP, is he removed from the party list so the rest move up, or does PTP actually lose a seat? If the latter, wouldn't it be delicious if PTP failed to gain control because they nominated criminals waiting trial?

[rubl]

a point of interest - If Jatuporn is disqualified from becoming an MP, is he removed from the party list so the rest move up, or does PTP actually lose a seat? If the latter, wouldn't it be delicious if PTP failed to gain control because they nominated criminals waiting trial?

Move up I think. The Dem's also had a party-list candidate passing away I think, same procedure.

Now the interesting question would be what if a constituency candidate passes away or is otherwise disqualified?

[whybother]

a point of interest - If Jatuporn is disqualified from becoming an MP, is he removed from the party list so the rest move up, or does PTP actually lose a seat? If the latter, wouldn't it be delicious if PTP failed to gain control because they nominated criminals waiting trial?

Move up I think. The Dem's also had a party-list candidate passing away I think, same procedure.

Now the interesting question would be what if a constituency candidate passes away or is otherwise disqualified?

By-election. Same as any red or yellow cards handed out.

[Buchholz]

a point of interest - If Jatuporn is disqualified from becoming an MP, is he removed from the party list so the rest move up, or does PTP actually lose a seat? If the latter, wouldn't it be delicious if PTP failed to gain control because they nominated criminals waiting trial?

Move up I think. The Dem's also had a party-list candidate passing away I think, same procedure.

Now the interesting question would be what if a constituency candidate passes away or is otherwise disqualified?

Correct. The Party-list goes to the next person. In this case it would be Red Shirt Leader Natthawut who would move up to Red Shirt Leader Jatuporn's seat. All remaining Pheu Thai Party-list MP candidates, including other Red Shirt Leaders, would move up one spot.

Constituency MP's disqualified, deceased, etc. calls for a new by-election to replace them.

[housepainter]

Keys and throwing anyone?

[rubl]

a point of interest - If Jatuporn is disqualified from becoming an MP, is he removed from the party list so the rest move up, or does PTP actually lose a seat? If the latter, wouldn't it be delicious if PTP failed to gain control because they nominated criminals waiting trial?

Move up I think. The Dem's also had a party-list candidate passing away I think, same procedure.

Now the interesting question would be what if a constituency candidate passes away or is otherwise disqualified?

Correct. The Party-list goes to the next person. In this case it would be Red Shirt Leader Natthawut who would move up to Red Shirt Leader Jatuporn's seat. All remaining Pheu Thai Party-list MP candidates, including other Red Shirt Leaders, would move up one spot.

Constituency MP's disqualified, deceased, etc. calls for a new by-election to replace them.

The remaining question is 'what if BEFORE the elections a constituency CANDIDATE has passed away or is disqualified'. Then what ?

(edit: add: is just banned Purapat Wisetchindawattana, Bhumjaithai candidate in Nakhon Ratchasima's Constituency 8, party-list or constituence?)

Edited June 28, 2011 by rubl

[Buchholz]

a point of interest - If Jatuporn is disqualified from becoming an MP, is he removed from the party list so the rest move up, or does PTP actually lose a seat? If the latter, wouldn't it be delicious if PTP failed to gain control because they nominated criminals waiting trial?

Move up I think. The Dem's also had a party-list candidate passing away I think, same procedure.

Now the interesting question would be what if a constituency candidate passes away or is otherwise disqualified?

Correct. The Party-list goes to the next person. In this case it would be Red Shirt Leader Natthawut who would move up to Red Shirt Leader Jatuporn's seat. All remaining Pheu Thai Party-list MP candidates, including other Red Shirt Leaders, would move up one spot.

Constituency MP's disqualified, deceased, etc. calls for a new by-election to replace them.

The remaining question is 'what if BEFORE the elections a constituency CANDIDATE has passed away or is disqualified'. Then what ?

S.O.L. then in that case, AFAIK.