Thailand's Democrats Seek Ban On Thaksin Party

[WarpSpeed]

I thought the people have chosen already ? In all "Democracy" voice of people is usually legitimate . I understand they might be disappointed but I don think it will help to reunited Thais.

The point is, that if PTP has committed a dissolvable infraction, then it is totally legitimate to dissolve them,

If the party has NOT, then there should be no worries for them.

Historically they have screwed up. And considering the public extolling of banned players in their midst, this doesn't bode well. I have wondered when they would learn from past mistakes, we will now see if they have or not.

Tell me again, what's the definition of insanity??

Edited July 8, 2011 by WarpSpeed

[Spalpeen]

All the remarks about 'but they have a majority' are TOTALLY irrelevant

Spot on

Actually, "but they have a majority" is the only thing that counts in a democracy. Winston Churchill nailed it when he said "Democracy is the worst possible system of government....apart from all the others we've tried." Name one true democracy where the losing side goes whinging to the courts and the army every time they lose an election.

Personally I didn't care which side won the election just past. One lot will be just as corrupt and incompetent as the other. What does matter above all else is that the result of the ballot box be respected by all. 'But they have a majority' is the very basis of democracy. Would you prefer to see 68% of the people ruled by 32%?

[letitbe]

Argue the merits/demerits of this action as much as you like. It is still the opening salvo and the signal that the elite intend to fight any attempt to change the status quo by whatever means are required. There will be blood.

most correct post so far there will be blood. But im sorry to say its not just elite its lots of normal thais south of Bangkok who refuse to bow to Taksin and make a point of saying proudly they wont be bought. Please dont try and claim its just elite particularly sinceI know plenty of elite Thais who support Taksin and reds and a number of normal Thais of every class who hate him and everything he stands for. Its nonsense its like saying all who oppose socialists are elite. Probably most elites oppose taksin as probably most northern poor love him. But can we stop this nonsense its all elite Thai against Taksin. Its clear ot anyone but a complete brainwashed fool that more support Taksin than totally oppose him and its totally clear country is totally divided. If it ends as is likely in blood and probably some form of civil war it will be the same as all other civil wars poor will fight poor rich will fight rich as in every civil war anytime. It will not be poor against elite put one idea against another and people will decide what they consider the most evil. A large number of Thais not all elite have decided Taksin is a poisen and will fight if need be to last drop of blood to defeat him and a large number of thais will consider him a saviour and do the same. Whi wins will not depend on numbers since they are fairly evenly matched although Taksins forces appear in majority.

Totally right their will be blood.

Since Thailand is totally split between North and South it is not beyond belief it could after a long protected war end up as 2 countries. I cant think of any country so totally divided between regions that as things get hardened did not in the end result in division of the country.

[rubl]

No, it's about trying every way they can to retain/get back power without actually winning an election. Your implication about the dem's "case" being filed as only one of 190 cases is misleading - are they all against the PTP? Do you have details of the 190 cases and will you share them with us? See my other post about what happens when a party files a case against another party dealing with banned political figures - will the same happen here?

Any Thai or Thai legal entity can file a complaint with the EC within seven of the election. No I don't have further details. This may surprise you, but the EC doesn't report to me (must be an oversight they will correct soon ) Your questions are not really relevant.

As it seems very unlikely that a possible verdict against Phue Thai may result in anything more than PT disbanded and a handfull of executives banned for five years (if anything at all that is), the remaining MP's of PT will just go on as elected MP's. The PM who most likely will be the smiling Ms. Yingluck, will also continue. She even has more chance of continuing than the late k. Samak who irked her brother somewhat. All including Dem's know this, no such thing as getting Dem's back at this moment. Maybe in a few years time with new general elections.

So to conclude, a party asked the EC to investigate. Fine, legal, do so.

Edited July 8, 2011 by rubl

[rubl]

I thought the people have chosen already ? In all "Democracy" voice of people is usually legitimate . I understand they might be disappointed but I don think it will help to reunited Thais.

Democrats and their masters don't want to reunite anybody, they just want to rob and oppress.

This topic is on the Democrats filing a legal request with the Election Commission to investigate certain alleged irregularities. Has nothing to do with 'reunite', or 'dems and masters' whatever is meant with that.

[Wallaby]

My girl went back home to the rice fields at election time. She said she doesn't like either of the major parties but took the 200 baht offered by the PT party then voted for the Dems.

Cheeky little shit she is.

[Maestro]

I have removed an off-topic post about Indian deities and a flame and the replies to it. Let's stay on topic, and without flaming other members.

[rubl]

All the remarks about 'but they have a majority' are TOTALLY irrelevant

Spot on

Actually, "but they have a majority" is the only thing that counts in a democracy. Winston Churchill nailed it when he said "Democracy is the worst possible system of government....apart from all the others we've tried." Name one true democracy where the losing side goes whinging to the courts and the army every time they lose an election.

Personally I didn't care which side won the election just past. One lot will be just as corrupt and incompetent as the other. What does matter above all else is that the result of the ballot box be respected by all. 'But they have a majority' is the very basis of democracy. Would you prefer to see 68% of the people ruled by 32%?

In relation to filing a legal request it doesn't matter and is TOTALLY irrelevant that there is a party with a comfortable majority. Even if the Phue Thai had a minority it would still be TOTALLY irrelevant. It's about the rule of law, law as it currently valid, law which governs the country and the Election Law. THE LAW, you know

[TAWP]

His parents where shopkeepers far removed from the old and powerful elite. Look at the colleges they attended very far from the elite. Chinese Elite = born with a silver spoon in their mouth like the last PM. Thaksin made the poor feel like real people for the first time in their lives.Like or not they will never forget it.

Posting lies or propaganda isn't appreciated here. And it is oh so boring.

[rubl]

EC rejects complaints against Abhist, Newin

Published on February 19, 2009

The Election Commission Thursday rejected a complaint filed by the Pheu Thai Party against Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva which alleged him with violating the charter by working with banned party executives to form his coalition government. The EC decided that Abhisit had not violated the Constitution when his Democrat Party was negotiating with other parties to form a coalition government. The Pheu Thai alleged that Abhisit violated the charter by cooprating with banned party executives, especially Newin Chidchob, to set up the coalition.

http://www.nationmul...n-30096100.html

Just a thought....................in the absence of SJ I thought you'd like this photo to remind you of that special occasion.

I can only find this on the filing of the case

"Thailand: Pheu Thai Party MP asks Election Commission to disqualify Prime Minister Abhisit.

Thai Press Reports | December 18, 2008 | Copyright

Section: Government and Politics - Pheu Thai Party (Puea Thai Party) MP for Chiang Mai Suraphong Towijakchaikul petitioned the Election Commission on December 17 to disqualify Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva for breaking electoral rules by forming a coalition with the help of banned politicians such as Newin Chidchob, The Nation reports.

Suraphong produced a photograph of Abhisit embracing Newin after he was elected in Parliament on Monday as evidence, saying it was proof needed to catch the "thief".

He said Abhisit breached electoral law by meeting other banned politicians such as Banharn Silpa-archa, former leader of the now dissolved Chart Thai Party and …"

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-36135603_ITM

Has a few other links as well which I didn't look at yet

(edit: change smiley at end to more appropriate one)

Edited July 8, 2011 by rubl

[letitbe]

I think that the most offensive thing mentioned in the OP is that some clown has accused Yingluck of handing out free bowls of noodles at a rally. The implication is that PTP voters are so stupid that their votes could be bought for a free bowl of noodles. If I was a Thai I would find that racially offensive.

This move by the so-called Democrats was all too predictable. Unless they and the people who skulk behind them catch themselves on they run a serious risk of plunging Thailand into a civil war. The freely expressed will of roughly 60% of the electorate can not be overturned.

rules is rules and it would be most hilarious if in end it came down to banning due to a bowl of noodles. It would not be more ridiculous than allowing a evil maniac like Taksin back. Id support any technicality any law any dirty trick almost anything to keep that lovely person away from here for ever. In meantime noodles will be fine. The law is the law however stupid and Taksin has certainly used it at every chance. Tennis anyone well they banned a PM here for a cooking show and most seemed to think that was OK.

[jdinasia]

EC rejects complaints against Abhist, Newin

Published on February 19, 2009

The Election Commission Thursday rejected a complaint filed by the Pheu Thai Party against Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva which alleged him with violating the charter by working with banned party executives to form his coalition government. The EC decided that Abhisit had not violated the Constitution when his Democrat Party was negotiating with other parties to form a coalition government. The Pheu Thai alleged that Abhisit violated the charter by cooprating with banned party executives, especially Newin Chidchob, to set up the coalition.

http://www.nationmul...n-30096100.html

Just a thought....................

Ah. my bad I had forgotten they did file and lose this one...

so many attacks to remember, so little time.

PTP (ex PPP) in that case was a "pot kettle black" situation since Newin was with them first ....

Newin however wasn't running the Dems. PTP should feel free to chase Newin for running BJT and see if they can't get Newin banned for another 5 years though!

[letitbe]

It appears that some people have had a change of hearts. In another thread the very same people defending the move by the Democrats to dispute the decision of a majority of the Thai electorate were up in arms over some people's right to bring a civil suit when false allegations were made.

Yes, the Democrats can bring any action they can substantiate. It is part of the civil process of the peaceful resolution of disputes. it is up to an independent judiciary to decide the merits of the case. Is the judiciary independent enough to rule in an unbiased manner? However, it is obvious to anyone that understands, that the electorate spoke and that the Democrats are engaged in a last gasp to hold onto power. The Democrats have no mandate to govern. The party was repudiated at the polls. All that this does is further the perception of the voters that abandoned the Democrats ,that the Democrats will not respect the election results.

Until the decision is rendered, the PTP has a legal mandate to rule. If the PTP is politically savy they will respond head on to the harassment of the Democrats and will let loose a volley of countersuits and start doing everything legally possible to make the Democrats understand that. the people have spoken. In the meantime, the Democrats have undermined the stability of the nation and struck a blow against the nation. If people did not understand why there are such heated passions from PTP supporters, perhaps they will get it now. The Democrats are anti democratic and sore losers.

There is a difference between spurious nuisance suits to silence critics and filing a legitimate electoral grievance.

And yet again this has nothing to do with anyones mandate or the lack of one.

You premise, yet again, is based in false logic or simple bias.

everyone is using this phase sore loser well in life im not a sore loser nor is Taksin I despise him but hes like me dont loose get revenge so what rather a sore looser and fight on and win than a total looser. Ill just go into my hole now and weep instead of fighting with all I have against whatI see as total evil. I think thats how thais who totally hate and loathe Taksin see it except those who are cowards and have no principles or dont believe anything is worth fighting for. This is a fight in my mind against a could be Mugabwie Hitler and rest and not some little game of politics as played in west.

[whybother]

The people were represented after the PPP were banned. These people gave their power to the MPs.

It was the MPs that the people elected that decided not to support PTP (ex-PPP).

And Mr Banharn alluded during the election campaign to the fact that he was 'leant on' to change sides. The small parties were bulied and 'offered incentives' to change sides

So he's not going to change sides this time, so even if the PTP get banned, they will stay in power in their new guise. Even Yingluck won't get banned.

SO WHAT'S ALL THE fuc_kING FUSS ABOUT?

[DumFarang]

The people were represented after the PPP were banned. These people gave their power to the MPs.

It was the MPs that the people elected that decided not to support PTP (ex-PPP).

And Mr Banharn alluded during the election campaign to the fact that he was 'leant on' to change sides. The small parties were bulied and 'offered incentives' to change sides

So he's not going to change sides this time, so even if the PTP get banned, they will stay in power in their new guise. Even Yingluck won't get banned.

SO WHAT'S ALL THE fuc_kING FUSS ABOUT?

The fuss is about the fact that, like or dislike the PTP, they've shown, yet again, that they can't follow simple rules during campaigns which is understandable since they only come around once every few years, so planning/organizational time is limited.

[Spalpeen]

I seriously doubt if only one party broke this sacred election law that some people seem to be so fond of. If it turned out that both PTP and the Democrats had been handing out free noodles to voters, who would govern Thailand then?

The present carry on is 100% about power, 0% about respect for the law. Anyone who can't see this needs a reality check.

Edited July 8, 2011 by Spalpeen

[hanuman1]

The people were represented after the PPP were banned. These people gave their power to the MPs.

It was the MPs that the people elected that decided not to support PTP (ex-PPP).

And Mr Banharn alluded during the election campaign to the fact that he was 'leant on' to change sides. The small parties were bulied and 'offered incentives' to change sides

So he's not going to change sides this time, so even if the PTP get banned, they will stay in power in their new guise. Even Yingluck won't get banned.

SO WHAT'S ALL THE fuc_kING FUSS ABOUT?

Steady on, old chap. the fuss is about creating lots of nice, original content for this website.

[mrjonyoung]

What kind of noodles did she give away and why didn't i get any?

TH may be hopeless. Have the losers no dignity to accept a lose? What a bunch of cry babies.

[hanuman1]

What kind of noodles did she give away and why didn't i get any?

TH may be hopeless. Have the losers no dignity to accept a lose? What a bunch of cry babies.

If it was Mama, that's about 10 Baht a serving. So by some people's analysis, she's saved 490 Baht per vote. That's her business sense shining through right there!

[rubl]

What kind of noodles did she give away and why didn't i get any?

TH may be hopeless. Have the losers no dignity to accept a lose? What a bunch of cry babies.

If it was Mama, that's about 10 Baht a serving. So by some people's analysis, she's saved 490 Baht per vote. That's her business sense shining through right there!

I knew Bangkok was expensive! Here you pay at least 20 Baht for a serving which is a FULL 100% more

Edited July 8, 2011 by rubl

[hanuman1]

What kind of noodles did she give away and why didn't i get any?

TH may be hopeless. Have the losers no dignity to accept a lose? What a bunch of cry babies.

If it was Mama, that's about 10 Baht a serving. So by some people's analysis, she's saved 490 Baht per vote. That's her business sense shining through right there!

I knew Bangkok was expensive! Here you pay at least 20 Baht for a serving which is a FULL 100% more

And as unconfirmed tests show, people are 17.58% more open to suggestion when having just consumed a bowl of noodles.

[rubl]

What kind of noodles did she give away and why didn't i get any?

TH may be hopeless. Have the losers no dignity to accept a lose? What a bunch of cry babies.

If it was Mama, that's about 10 Baht a serving. So by some people's analysis, she's saved 490 Baht per vote. That's her business sense shining through right there!

I knew Bangkok was expensive! Here you pay at least 20 Baht for a serving which is a FULL 100% more

And as unconfirmed tests show, people are 17.58% more open to suggestion when having just consumed a bowl of noodles.

Ah, now you have to tread lightly, my dear chap. The noodles Ms. Yingluck was cooking were of the type 'mee Korat', cooked with a smile as it were. It needs further investigation if the type of noodles accompanied with a nice smile has any effect on the response-fullness of Thai voters in general and male in particular. The 'mama' type independent of 'kung' or 'moe' may be seen in a completely different light. Maybe the location 'open field in Korat' versus 'roadside BKK' has effects which may significantly influence the effect of noodles on the openness to suggestive powers. I will ask for a budget to study this matter; you'll hear from us

[Jingthing]

OK, based on Wiki PTP got 48 percent of the popular vote, not 53 as another poster said here.

Yes we know popular vote doesn't determine results here, but please try to be accurate in any blown up claims of massive landslides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_general_election,_2011

[whybother]

TO MR ABISHIT AND THE DEMOCRAT PARTY !!!

YOU LOST !!

THE PEOPLE OF THAILAND HAVE VOTED AND CAST YOU ASIDE !!

GROW UP STOP BEING CHILDISH ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON !!

LOOK AT YOURSELVES AND ASK THE QUESTION WHY YOU LOST !!

Is your CAPS lock key stuck?

Just maybe the Democrats lost because PTP broke the law. We'll never know.

As pointed out a few pages ago, if an athlete wins through cheating, they get disqualified. Why should elections be different?

Just because PTP got the most seats doesn't mean that the law should be ignored.

Edited July 8, 2011 by whybother

[Jingthing]

Is your CAPS lock key stuck?

Just maybe the Democrats lost because PTP broke the law. We'll never know.

As pointed out stew pages ago, if an athlete wins through cheating, they get disqualified. Why should elections be different?

Just because PTP got the most seats doesn't mean that the law should be ignored.

I think they would have lost anyway, but if PTP had run with an apparent PM candidate without a Shinawatra family name, with clear message there was no connection between PTP and banned from politics, criminal fugitive Thaksin, at the very least it would have been much closer.

[hanuman1]

If it was Mama, that's about 10 Baht a serving. So by some people's analysis, she's saved 490 Baht per vote. That's her business sense shining through right there!

I knew Bangkok was expensive! Here you pay at least 20 Baht for a serving which is a FULL 100% more

And as unconfirmed tests show, people are 17.58% more open to suggestion when having just consumed a bowl of noodles.

Ah, now you have to tread lightly, my dear chap. The noodles Ms. Yingluck was cooking were of the type 'mee Korat', cooked with a smile as it were. It needs further investigation if the type of noodles accompanied with a nice smile has any effect on the response-fullness of Thai voters in general and male in particular. The 'mama' type independent of 'kung' or 'moe' may be seen in a completely different light. Maybe the location 'open field in Korat' versus 'roadside BKK' has effects which may significantly influence the effect of noodles on the openness to suggestive powers. I will ask for a budget to study this matter; you'll hear from us

I feel your examples of open fields in Korat and a roadside in BKK would yield essentially the same target group. I suggest you conduct one test on a BKK road, one in The Emporium food court and have The Mall Bangkapi as the control group.

The expected results on increased openness to suggestion would be:

BKK Road: 24.81% more suggestible (rising by 0.31% per extra added unit of 'prik')

The Emporium: 9.62% (revised to 5.38% if the noodles aren't 'al dente')

The Mall Bangkapi: 17.58% as tests have previously shown.

[phiphidon]

EC rejects complaints against Abhist, Newin

Published on February 19, 2009

The Election Commission Thursday rejected a complaint filed by the Pheu Thai Party against Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva which alleged him with violating the charter by working with banned party executives to form his coalition government. The EC decided that Abhisit had not violated the Constitution when his Democrat Party was negotiating with other parties to form a coalition government. The Pheu Thai alleged that Abhisit violated the charter by cooprating with banned party executives, especially Newin Chidchob, to set up the coalition.

http://www.nationmul...n-30096100.html

Just a thought....................in the absence of SJ I thought you'd like this photo to remind you of that special occasion.

I can only find this on the filing of the case

"Thailand: Pheu Thai Party MP asks Election Commission to disqualify Prime Minister Abhisit.

Thai Press Reports | December 18, 2008 | Copyright

Section: Government and Politics - Pheu Thai Party (Puea Thai Party) MP for Chiang Mai Suraphong Towijakchaikul petitioned the Election Commission on December 17 to disqualify Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva for breaking electoral rules by forming a coalition with the help of banned politicians such as Newin Chidchob, The Nation reports.

Suraphong produced a photograph of Abhisit embracing Newin after he was elected in Parliament on Monday as evidence, saying it was proof needed to catch the "thief".

He said Abhisit breached electoral law by meeting other banned politicians such as Banharn Silpa-archa, former leader of the now dissolved Chart Thai Party and …"

http://www.accessmyl...86-36135603_ITM

Has a few other links as well which I didn't look at yet

(edit: change smiley at end to more appropriate one)

"All I could find was this"............................ "a few other links which I didn't look at yet".........................well that was fortunate wasn't it, the only source on the entire internet you found was one quoting that Suraphong had petitioned the EC suggesting that his entire case rested on the sole basis of the photo I had posted - from The Nation - despite reading the source that I had quoted - from, yes you guessed it, The Nation.

So what is the appropriate smiley for backing up and excusing a political party through thick and thin which is once again found wanting when it comes to electoral votes and one that resorts to any means whatsoever to retain power despite not winning an election in 19 years? Let me suggest one.

[ES1]

I predict another military coup within the next 2 years just like last time. Will probably boil over when the sister tries to get the families ill gotten money back and/or Taskin tries to come back into the country.

[hanuman1]

EC rejects complaints against Abhist, Newin

Published on February 19, 2009

The Election Commission Thursday rejected a complaint filed by the Pheu Thai Party against Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva which alleged him with violating the charter by working with banned party executives to form his coalition government. The EC decided that Abhisit had not violated the Constitution when his Democrat Party was negotiating with other parties to form a coalition government. The Pheu Thai alleged that Abhisit violated the charter by cooprating with banned party executives, especially Newin Chidchob, to set up the coalition.

http://www.nationmul...n-30096100.html

Just a thought....................in the absence of SJ I thought you'd like this photo to remind you of that special occasion.

I can only find this on the filing of the case

"Thailand: Pheu Thai Party MP asks Election Commission to disqualify Prime Minister Abhisit.

Thai Press Reports | December 18, 2008 | Copyright

Section: Government and Politics - Pheu Thai Party (Puea Thai Party) MP for Chiang Mai Suraphong Towijakchaikul petitioned the Election Commission on December 17 to disqualify Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva for breaking electoral rules by forming a coalition with the help of banned politicians such as Newin Chidchob, The Nation reports.

Suraphong produced a photograph of Abhisit embracing Newin after he was elected in Parliament on Monday as evidence, saying it was proof needed to catch the "thief".

He said Abhisit breached electoral law by meeting other banned politicians such as Banharn Silpa-archa, former leader of the now dissolved Chart Thai Party and …"

http://www.accessmyl...86-36135603_ITM

Has a few other links as well which I didn't look at yet

(edit: change smiley at end to more appropriate one)

"All I could find was this"............................ "a few other links which I didn't look at yet".........................well that was fortunate wasn't it, the only source on the entire internet you found was one quoting that Suraphong had petitioned the EC suggesting that his entire case rested on the sole basis of the photo I had posted - from The Nation - despite reading the source that I had quoted - from, yes you guessed it, The Nation.

So what is the appropriate smiley for backing up and excusing a political party through thick and thin which is once again found wanting when it comes to electoral votes and one that resorts to any means whatsoever to retain power despite not winning an election in 19 years? Let me suggest one.

I think the official EC smiley is this or maybe even this

[Jingthing]

I predict another military coup within the next 2 years just like last time. Will probably boil over when the sister tries to get the families ill gotten money back and/or Taskin tries to come back into the country.

I seriously doubt Thaksin will wait that long to try both of those. He comes off as rather a selfish man, yes? If he just faded away long ago and/or just served his light jail sentence, imagine how different things would be now.

Edited July 8, 2011 by Jingthing