siampolee Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) slapoutHe has already made his way to the Red TV broadcasting room and is continuing where he left off prior to going into the slammer. Sounds like he is on the campaign trail for a ministry position. If this is factual rather than hearsay it could prove to be Yinlucks first testing time regarding the Red Shirts and no doubt her brothers expectations of positions in the cabinet. Indeed there may well be the grand opening of a can of worms for Yingluck, the P.T.P. and sadly the Thai people in the not to distant future. Edited August 2, 2011 by siampolee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastitche Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 slapoutHe has already made his way to the Red TV broadcasting room and is continuing where he left off prior to going into the slammer. Sounds like he is on the campaign trail for a ministry position. If this is factual rather than hearsay it could prove to be Yinlucks first testing time regarding the Red Shirts and no doubt her brothers expectations of positions in the cabinet. Indeed there may well be the grand opening of a can of worms for Yingluck, the P.T.P. and sadly the Thai people in the not to distant future. OK I know that this is not going to be popular but has the time not come for all TVF members to accept that there has been a decisive victory for the PTP and that no amount of rhetoric will change that.? The wishes of the people of Thailand must be respected, irrespective of what you think may have been the voters' motivation and whether their choice was the right one. Let the new government make its own way, with whatever mistakes it makes but don't nitpick on such irrelevancies as Jatuporn's release from custody. In my opinion, he may be a popular figure amongst the redshirts but is a nobody in the realpolitik of the new government. I also wonder what terrorism charges have been brought against Jatuporn, has he been alleged to have bombed, shot or personally committed arson against the populace? Or is it the case that he incited such actions? Do not misunderstand me, I do not believe that he would be a useful member of any administration but he is an elected MP and that is the will of the people / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 slapoutHe has already made his way to the Red TV broadcasting room and is continuing where he left off prior to going into the slammer. Sounds like he is on the campaign trail for a ministry position. If this is factual rather than hearsay it could prove to be Yinlucks first testing time regarding the Red Shirts and no doubt her brothers expectations of positions in the cabinet. Indeed there may well be the grand opening of a can of worms for Yingluck, the P.T.P. and sadly the Thai people in the not to distant future. OK I know that this is not going to be popular but has the time not come for all TVF members to accept that there has been a decisive victory for the PTP and that no amount of rhetoric will change that.? The wishes of the people of Thailand must be respected, irrespective of what you think may have been the voters' motivation and whether their choice was the right one. Let the new government make its own way, with whatever mistakes it makes but don't nitpick on such irrelevancies as Jatuporn's release from custody. In my opinion, he may be a popular figure amongst the redshirts but is a nobody in the realpolitik of the new government. I also wonder what terrorism charges have been brought against Jatuporn, has he been alleged to have bombed, shot or personally committed arson against the populace? Or is it the case that he incited such actions? Do not misunderstand me, I do not believe that he would be a useful member of any administration but he is an elected MP and that is the will of the people Is he? The debate (unresolved) is about whether he is legally qualified to be an MP or not, him being locked up at the time for (deliberately) breaching his bail conditions, and therefore ineligible to vote, be a party member or be an MP. The 'will of the people' argument is just <deleted>, sorry. For starters he was a party-list candidate, nobody voted *for* him personally and he has no constituency. Secondly, there is no such thing as 'the will of the people'. PTP got less than half the total vote, so its not like the country has a united opinion about it. Anything but. Setting politicians above the law or letting them forgive their own crimes is a recipe for disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Still waiting to see how the red shirts react when they do not get the cabinet post they think they deserve and how nfast Thaksin cuts them lose as they have outlived there usefulness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkkorupcountry Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 slapoutHe has already made his way to the Red TV broadcasting room and is continuing where he left off prior to going into the slammer. Sounds like he is on the campaign trail for a ministry position. If this is factual rather than hearsay it could prove to be Yinlucks first testing time regarding the Red Shirts and no doubt her brothers expectations of positions in the cabinet. Indeed there may well be the grand opening of a can of worms for Yingluck, the P.T.P. and sadly the Thai people in the not to distant future. OK I know that this is not going to be popular but has the time not come for all TVF members to accept that there has been a decisive victory for the PTP and that no amount of rhetoric will change that.? The wishes of the people of Thailand must be respected, irrespective of what you think may have been the voters' motivation and whether their choice was the right one. Let the new government make its own way, with whatever mistakes it makes but don't nitpick on such irrelevancies as Jatuporn's release from custody. In my opinion, he may be a popular figure amongst the redshirts but is a nobody in the realpolitik of the new government. I also wonder what terrorism charges have been brought against Jatuporn, has he been alleged to have bombed, shot or personally committed arson against the populace? Or is it the case that he incited such actions? Do not misunderstand me, I do not believe that he would be a useful member of any administration but he is an elected MP and that is the will of the people Is he? The debate (unresolved) is about whether he is legally qualified to be an MP or not, him being locked up at the time for (deliberately) breaching his bail conditions, and therefore ineligible to vote, be a party member or be an MP. The 'will of the people' argument is just <deleted>, sorry. For starters he was a party-list candidate, nobody voted *for* him personally and he has no constituency. Secondly, there is no such thing as 'the will of the people'. PTP got less than half the total vote, so its not like the country has a united opinion about it. Anything but. Setting politicians above the law or letting them forgive their own crimes is a recipe for disaster. Don't you people have a life? I am pro-Red (because I believe that they have the interests of the poor rural people of Isaan at heart) but my other half is not as convinced as me (even though she is one of the poor rural Isaan folk) but a lot of you farang, supposedly educated, politically correct people are really talking out of you behinds. The fact is this is Thailand, Asia and NOT remotely like the part of the world you come from . Screw all this talk of democracy and equal rights and spirit/letter of the law - we Asians live by a different standard and don't try to force your values down our throats. We don't need your contributions, aye, we don't even need your money, what little there is of it. My 50 years on this earth (half of it in your western lands) have shown me that the less we have of your western values, the better the average Asian's life will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman1 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) Still waiting to see how the red shirts react when they do not get the cabinet post they think they deserve and how nfast Thaksin cuts them lose as they have outlived there usefulness. I think that's a good question and the answer to it will prove once and for all that the UDD has never been and is not the same as the PTP. The disproof of all that nonsense about UDD = PTP spouted by red/Taksin haters will be highlighted in terms even they cannot deny. It's not just whether or not UDD officials get cabinet posts, its also about how much the ideology of the UDD will be adopted and enacted by the PTP through their policies. The red shirt people I know now say their focus is all on what the PTP will do and they say they're ready to cause problems for the PTP if the PTP doesn't take up their causes effectively enough. When I say 'cause problems', I don't mean necessarily using violence by the way. The liberal use of the epithet 'terrorist' when referring to red shirt protesters and tactics is as erroneous as the fabricated UDD = PTP equation. It wouldn't be surprising if the UDD end up demonstrating against a PTP government. Such is the fickleness of Thai politics. Only people unfamiliar with Thai politics would find this surprising. Edited August 2, 2011 by hanuman1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 OK I know that this is not going to be popular but has the time not come for all TVF members to accept that there has been a decisive victory for the PTP and that no amount of rhetoric will change that.? The wishes of the people of Thailand must be respected, irrespective of what you think may have been the voters' motivation and whether their choice was the right one. Let the new government make its own way, with whatever mistakes it makes but don't nitpick on such irrelevancies as Jatuporn's release from custody. In my opinion, he may be a popular figure amongst the redshirts but is a nobody in the realpolitik of the new government. I also wonder what terrorism charges have been brought against Jatuporn, has he been alleged to have bombed, shot or personally committed arson against the populace? Or is it the case that he incited such actions? Do not misunderstand me, I do not believe that he would be a useful member of any administration but he is an elected MP and that is the will of the people 53% of the seats from 48% of the vote is a victory, but it's not very decisive. What are the wishes of the Thai people? Given that 52% of the people didn't vote for PTP, I would expect that the wishes of the people would be to make sure the PTP manage the country for the benefit of the majority of the Thai people - which would include people that didn't vote for them. And since when did being elected suddenly mean that you can't be criticised? Jatuporn is NOT irrelevant. He has been a key player as a PTP MP and a major red shirt leader over the last few years. IMO, he's going to be a thorn in the side of the PTP government. Terrorists aren't just the people that perform the the terrorist acts, but also the people that plan, organise and incite the terrorist acts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Yai Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 "I want to remind Suthep about his pledge to burrow and live in a hole," Jatuporn said to the cheering red shirts following his release. After greeting the red shirts, Jatuporn paid a temple visit to be anointed with blessed water, a ceremony to purify himself from bad luck. -- The Nation 2011-08-02 He hasn't been out for a day and the veiled threats have started already. He may be able to try and rid himself of bad luck (of which there isn't any such thing btw) But the bad deeds are recorded. Yeah Thad,on his release ,Jatuporn pledged he would continue to struggle for the red shirts,and given the choice of being a PM, Cabinet minister or a Red shirt ,he sooner be a red shirt!, hardly the answer of a man who should be pledging to serve the constituents he is supposed to represent is it!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Don't you people have a life? I am pro-Red (because I believe that they have the interests of the poor rural people of Isaan at heart) but my other half is not as convinced as me (even though she is one of the poor rural Isaan folk) but a lot of you farang, supposedly educated, politically correct people are really talking out of you behinds. The fact is this is Thailand, Asia and NOT remotely like the part of the world you come from . Screw all this talk of democracy and equal rights and spirit/letter of the law - we Asians live by a different standard and don't try to force your values down our throats. We don't need your contributions, aye, we don't even need your money, what little there is of it. My 50 years on this earth (half of it in your western lands) have shown me that the less we have of your western values, the better the average Asian's life will be. I agree, we be Thai, we don't need the rest of the world. Let's separate ourselves from it, build a hundred foot wall around the place and shut them all out. We can put a few windows in it so that the world-peasants can look in every now and again to see how a country should be run. We may struggle a bit for fuel, and the proposed mega-structures will have to be built from bamboo and rubber bands, but we can paint them red and gold so they'll look good..... 'cos looking good is what it's all about isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huanga Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 "Before the bail hearing, Jatuporn donated Bt17,000 to free the cattle destined for slaughterhouse." <deleted>????? I see the parallel. Try to free the "buffalo" that he himself is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a99az Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 It's just so funny, to see this going on and the Thais think this is normal. 555555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 One inappropriate post with a thinly veiled threat against Thaivisa members has been removed. Along with a few associated replies. Apologies to the members who had their replies deleted. :jap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Is he? The debate (unresolved) is about whether he is legally qualified to be an MP or not, him being locked up at the time for (deliberately) breaching his bail conditions, and therefore ineligible to vote, be a party member or be an MP. The 'will of the people' argument is just <deleted>, sorry. For starters he was a party-list candidate, nobody voted *for* him personally and he has no constituency. Secondly, there is no such thing as 'the will of the people'. PTP got less than half the total vote, so its not like the country has a united opinion about it. Anything but. Setting politicians above the law or letting them forgive their own crimes is a recipe for disaster. Don't you people have a life? I am pro-Red (because I believe that they have the interests of the poor rural people of Isaan at heart) but my other half is not as convinced as me (even though she is one of the poor rural Isaan folk) but a lot of you farang, supposedly educated, politically correct people are really talking out of you behinds. The fact is this is Thailand, Asia and NOT remotely like the part of the world you come from . Screw all this talk of democracy and equal rights and spirit/letter of the law - we Asians live by a different standard and don't try to force your values down our throats. We don't need your contributions, aye, we don't even need your money, what little there is of it. My 50 years on this earth (half of it in your western lands) have shown me that the less we have of your western values, the better the average Asian's life will be. Actually these are THAI laws that are being broken, and I would assume they were developed using 'Thai' people using 'Thai values' It amazes me that people don't understand the connection between rule of law and improved standards of living. If you think that 'Thai values' includes the obligation to be serfs to whatever despot can stand over them, well that's just comical. Were you about to complain about the patronage system with your next breah ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Don't you people have a life? I am pro-Red (because I believe that they have the interests of the poor rural people of Isaan at heart) but my other half is not as convinced as me (even though she is one of the poor rural Isaan folk) but a lot of you farang, supposedly educated, politically correct people are really talking out of you behinds. The fact is this is Thailand, Asia and NOT remotely like the part of the world you come from . Screw all this talk of democracy and equal rights and spirit/letter of the law - we Asians live by a different standard and don't try to force your values down our throats. We don't need your contributions, aye, we don't even need your money, what little there is of it. My 50 years on this earth (half of it in your western lands) have shown me that the less we have of your western values, the better the average Asian's life will be. I can only assume that you r other "half" is the top bit. Whether the PTP party will ultimately benefit the rural poor, time and policy will tell. One thing about Westerners is that we are a funny bunch. We like to think a few steps ahead. We like to plan. We like to see problems before they arise. The election was won by promising money, money, money to voters. What was promised in terms of education. transport, tourism, agriculture, education - the things that will benefit the rural poor in the long term? Not a sausage. The same as what was stated about paying for implementing all the new policies. Who will pay the 300B minimum wage? The people - price rises and lost jobs. Businesses will either increase prices, lay staff off or fold. Few will absorb them. Who will pay for the 15,000B minimum graduate salary? Hiring of graduates will drop - especially those without degrees that are in demand. Will the many rural teachers get the increase? Doubt it. Government graduate recruitment will mean an increase in tax. Who will pay for the millions of cheap nasty Android tablets? Higher taxes? Slash the education budget? Who will pay for farmer credit cards? Not the banks that's for sure. They will need to be underwritten by the government. More taxes for the people. Who will ay 20,000B per tonne for rice? Will exporters still have a market when buyers can get rice for 8,000B per tonne from Vietnam? Will Thai people pay the increase at shops and restaurants? Or will the government subsidise it and increase taxes? What about sugar cane and tapioca farmers? A budget has to balance or increase national debt right? Employees who were previously free of tax will pay. VAT will surely increase and that will include phones, petrol, motorcycles etc. Interesting times ahead. We reap what we sow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOODLOVER Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I hope this does not affect my ability to get a cheese burger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkkorupcountry Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 One thing about Westerners is that we are a funny bunch. We like to think a few steps ahead. We like to plan. We like to see problems before they arise. That's why the US of A and Europe and UK are in such good financial and economic health at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentine Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 One thing about Westerners is that we are a funny bunch. We like to think a few steps ahead. We like to plan. We like to see problems before they arise. That's why the US of A and Europe and UK are in such good financial and economic health at the moment. They are in financial strife because of easy money (remember Thailand prior to 1997?) & generous social packages. The bills have to be paid eventually & Thailand will face another financial meltdown unless they keep a tight fiscal policy. Back to the subject. Hopefully the courts will be fair & impartial to all sides including the 2 mentioned in the subject of this thread. However the law does not seem to apply equally to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Still waiting to see how the red shirts react when they do not get the cabinet post they think they deserve and how nfast Thaksin cuts them lose as they have outlived there usefulness. I think that's a good question and the answer to it will prove once and for all that the UDD has never been and is not the same as the PTP. The disproof of all that nonsense about UDD = PTP spouted by red/Taksin haters will be highlighted in terms even they cannot deny. Thaksin deciding that the UDD has served its purpose and cutting himself and the PT party away from the dubious past of the UDD, will not in any way, shape or form, prove once and for all that UDD was not the same as PTP. PTP was the shuttle that piggie-backed on the UDD rocket, and now they have reached the appropriate altitude (ie power in parliament) the time has come for the "rocket" to break away and the "shuttle" to fly alone. Will the "rocket" be pissed off about this, having been deluded into thinking they would stay attached for the entire trip? Possibly yes. Will this mean the "rocket" turning around and attacking the "shuttle"? Perhaps also yes. Will this mean that all the events and actions in the lead up to the 2011 election by the "shuttle" and by the "rocket", can now be described as being separate and distinct? No. They worked together as a team for power, and now they have achieved that, they are free to go their separate ways. This process may well not be pretty. Buckle up folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 One thing about Westerners is that we are a funny bunch. We like to think a few steps ahead. We like to plan. We like to see problems before they arise. That's why the US of A and Europe and UK are in such good financial and economic health at the moment. They are in financial strife because of easy money (remember Thailand prior to 1997?) & generous social packages. The bills have to be paid eventually & Thailand will face another financial meltdown unless they keep a tight fiscal policy. Back to the subject. Hopefully the courts will be fair & impartial to all sides including the 2 mentioned in the subject of this thread. However the law does not seem to apply equally to all. Just keep threatening the EC and the courts until you get "justice". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 Red-shirt Leader Released on Bail A core red-shirt leader has vowed to continue fighting for social and political equality, after being released from detention. He warned the Abhisit-led government to see whether the new government will issue a pardon for killing civilians. A core red-shirt leader charged with terrorism, Jatuporn Prompan left the Bangkok Remand Prison with fellow convicted red-shirt member Nisit Sinthupai, after the Criminal Court granted them temporary bail. Outside the prison, red-shirt leaders greeted the released men and Jatuporn publicly vowed to fight for democracy and equality. He said although he will approach the Constitutional Court regarding his MP status, he does not mind if doesn't have the MP seat. He went on to say that if he had to choose, he would rather be a red-shirt member than an MP, adding that the incoming government must be under the people's control in order to prevent another coup. The two red-shirts were released after their legal representatives each submitted a one-million baht bail and an assurance letter that the men will not go into hiding. The court stated that their bails will be revoked if they participate in any unlawful activities or instigate chaos, while Nisit has an extra condition stating that he cannot leave the country unless approved by the court. Jatuporn's lawyer Winyat Chartmontree stated that Jatuporn did not use his MP status in the bail process, because the privilege is void for 120 days during the Parliament Session, and, afterwords, his freedom will come under review again. -- Tan Network 2011-08-03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 One thing about Westerners is that we are a funny bunch. We like to think a few steps ahead. We like to plan. We like to see problems before they arise. That's why the US of A and Europe and UK are in such good financial and economic health at the moment. Functionally they have a mature democracy, functional army, a police force that polices, an eductaion system that produces employable individuals, a transport system that functions without killing 10s of thousands per year etc. etc. Thailand, for all it's leading exports, is still a country in debt. Agriculturally Thailand leads the way with rice, chicken, prawns, tapioca etc. but that strength is also it's weakness. It has bred people to serve those industries and unless the system to produce higher value industries is put in place it will never change. The motor industry does well too - but it's all foreign owned. How can this be changed? Lobbing money at people will be great for the mobile phone and motorbike shops but it'll soon be spent. Loans will be taken out mortgaged on farming land that has been in the family for generations, they won't pay the loans and the chanot will be up for sale. Groundhog day. Rich for a minute, poor for a lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkkorupcountry Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 One thing about Westerners is that we are a funny bunch. We like to think a few steps ahead. We like to plan. We like to see problems before they arise. That's why the US of A and Europe and UK are in such good financial and economic health at the moment. Functionally they have a mature democracy, functional army, a police force that polices, an eductaion system that produces employable individuals, a transport system that functions without killing 10s of thousands per year etc. etc. Thailand, for all it's leading exports, is still a country in debt. Agriculturally Thailand leads the way with rice, chicken, prawns, tapioca etc. but that strength is also it's weakness. It has bred people to serve those industries and unless the system to produce higher value industries is put in place it will never change. The motor industry does well too - but it's all foreign owned. How can this be changed? Lobbing money at people will be great for the mobile phone and motorbike shops but it'll soon be spent. Loans will be taken out mortgaged on farming land that has been in the family for generations, they won't pay the loans and the chanot will be up for sale. Groundhog day. Rich for a minute, poor for a lifetime. That's why there are developed, industrialized countries, developing countries, third world countries, etc etc. Progress takes place over many many years. Some countries have had a head start (due to the discovery of steel), some countries are still being held back (think N Korea, some sub saharan countries) and some countries such as Thailand will take their own sweet time and in the process, life is still good (not everything is judged on a monetary basis - quality of life can be good without driving big cars, eating in fancy restaurants and staying in mansions). If I had a choice between being rich but unhappy or poor and unhappy, I would of course choose the former. But money does not and cannot buy happiness. This is something that Thais have realised for centuries and I think that many of them prefer to keep their way of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 One thing about Westerners is that we are a funny bunch. We like to think a few steps ahead. We like to plan. We like to see problems before they arise. But money does not and cannot buy happiness. This is something that Thais have realised for centuries and I think that many of them prefer to keep their way of life. Apparently, 46% of them would disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 One thing about Westerners is that we are a funny bunch. We like to think a few steps ahead. We like to plan. We like to see problems before they arise. That's why the US of A and Europe and UK are in such good financial and economic health at the moment. Functionally they have a mature democracy, functional army, a police force that polices, an eductaion system that produces employable individuals, a transport system that functions without killing 10s of thousands per year etc. etc. Thailand, for all it's leading exports, is still a country in debt. Agriculturally Thailand leads the way with rice, chicken, prawns, tapioca etc. but that strength is also it's weakness. It has bred people to serve those industries and unless the system to produce higher value industries is put in place it will never change. The motor industry does well too - but it's all foreign owned. How can this be changed? Lobbing money at people will be great for the mobile phone and motorbike shops but it'll soon be spent. Loans will be taken out mortgaged on farming land that has been in the family for generations, they won't pay the loans and the chanot will be up for sale. Groundhog day. Rich for a minute, poor for a lifetime. That's why there are developed, industrialized countries, developing countries, third world countries, etc etc. Progress takes place over many many years. Some countries have had a head start (due to the discovery of steel), some countries are still being held back (think N Korea, some sub saharan countries) and some countries such as Thailand will take their own sweet time and in the process, life is still good (not everything is judged on a monetary basis - quality of life can be good without driving big cars, eating in fancy restaurants and staying in mansions). If I had a choice between being rich but unhappy or poor and unhappy, I would of course choose the former. But money does not and cannot buy happiness. This is something that Thais have realised for centuries and I think that many of them prefer to keep their way of life. I largely agree with you. The vision of Thailand walking down the street happily whistling away waiting for when to jump onto the industrial revolution bandwaggon leaves me a little perplexed though. I think it's more that government after government has never had a strategy to bring them out of the.... well we may as well call it the "rice age" in a similar manner to South Korea or Singapore. It's been fortunate enough to have neighbours such as Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia to draw positive comparisons with. If you start to look at China, Vietnam, Indonesia and how thay are at varying stages of development then you can see that if 2 tiers develop, Thailand will be part of the bottom tier. I love the north and north east. The pace of life in the cities is great. Life in the moo baan in exceptionally slow where there is still a massive sense of family and community that the cities destroy. You are right that you could be looking at some of the happiest people in the world who also happen to be some of the poorest in Thailand. Given the nature of the work that I've seen, there are some factories locally - mainly labour intensive places making clothes etc. but the work is mainly farming. I honestly don't see the minimum wage getting to these farmers and the factory workers are at a real risk of closure and redundancy with the businesses moving to Bangladesh or wherever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkkorupcountry Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 One thing about Westerners is that we are a funny bunch. We like to think a few steps ahead. We like to plan. We like to see problems before they arise. But money does not and cannot buy happiness. This is something that Thais have realised for centuries and I think that many of them prefer to keep their way of life. Apparently, 46% of them would disagree with you. Actually they do, as per my other comment of preferring to be rich but unhappy as opposed to poor and unhappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampolee Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 He went on to say that if he had to choose, he would rather be a red-shirt member than an MP, adding that the incoming government must be under the people's control in order to prevent another coup. An interesting comment, rather reminds me of comments by Karl Marx, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot along with a number of other well known "liberal" proponents of their own ideology regarding their own brand of DEMONACRCY democracy. "What is mine is mine what is yours is also mine now we have liberated you." Fidel Castro was a freedom fighter according to the tales he told. Then he gained power, then he proclaimed proudly he was a communist. Could history repeat its self here in Thailand one wonders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I also wonder what terrorism charges have been brought against Jatuporn, has he been alleged to have bombed, shot or personally committed arson against the populace? Or is it the case that he incited such actions? Osama never bombed or shot anyone personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Don't you people have a life? I am pro-Red (because I believe that they have the interests of the poor rural people of Isaan at heart) but my other half is not as convinced as me (even though she is one of the poor rural Isaan folk) but a lot of you farang, supposedly educated, politically correct people are really talking out of you behinds. The fact is this is Thailand, Asia and NOT remotely like the part of the world you come from . Screw all this talk of democracy and equal rights and spirit/letter of the law - we Asians live by a different standard and don't try to force your values down our throats. We don't need your contributions, aye, we don't even need your money, what little there is of it. My 50 years on this earth (half of it in your western lands) have shown me that the less we have of your western values, the better the average Asian's life will be. Stop using Internet, Mr Xenophob and go back to a un-powered bullhorn made of bamboo. Wouldn't want to take advantage of anything western, now would we? You might be influenced to think anyone should care what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smileydude Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) I accept the ruling but the system is an embarassment to Thailand. On a more lighter note I think these guys came out of the wrong hole when they were born. Edited August 4, 2011 by smileydude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smileydude Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 slapoutHe has already made his way to the Red TV broadcasting room and is continuing where he left off prior to going into the slammer. Sounds like he is on the campaign trail for a ministry position. If this is factual rather than hearsay it could prove to be Yinlucks first testing time regarding the Red Shirts and no doubt her brothers expectations of positions in the cabinet. Indeed there may well be the grand opening of a can of worms for Yingluck, the P.T.P. and sadly the Thai people in the not to distant future. OK I know that this is not going to be popular but has the time not come for all TVF members to accept that there has been a decisive victory for the PTP and that no amount of rhetoric will change that.? The wishes of the people of Thailand must be respected, irrespective of what you think may have been the voters' motivation and whether their choice was the right one. Let the new government make its own way, with whatever mistakes it makes but don't nitpick on such irrelevancies as Jatuporn's release from custody. In my opinion, he may be a popular figure amongst the redshirts but is a nobody in the realpolitik of the new government. I also wonder what terrorism charges have been brought against Jatuporn, has he been alleged to have bombed, shot or personally committed arson against the populace? Or is it the case that he incited such actions? Do not misunderstand me, I do not believe that he would be a useful member of any administration but he is an elected MP and that is the will of the people / Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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