AleG Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 How come its the first time we hear of 169 missing Red Shirts? Where were the inquiries from family and friends over this allegedly missing people? Red Shirts have been going on and on over the 92 people killed during their protest, but I haven't heard a pip about any missing persons. I think this is a bone thrown to the Red Shirts (who are keen on feeding on dead people) to keep them fired up. Not that I'm denying the existence of the bodies, but coming out and saying that this are missing Red Shirts doesn't sound believable to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 (edited) How come its the first time we hear of 169 missing Red Shirts? Where were the inquiries from family and friends over this allegedly missing people? Red Shirts have been going on and on over the 92 people killed during their protest, but I haven't heard a pip about any missing persons. I think this is a bone thrown to the Red Shirts (who are keen on feeding on dead people) to keep them fired up. Not that I'm denying the existence of the bodies, but coming out and saying that this are missing Red Shirts doesn't sound believable to me. Really???? This is the first time you have heard about missing red shirts? Really?????? here is one example from a simple internet search, there are many more http://www.nationmul...h-30133017.html this one line from that report is shocking considering the report is from 2010 To date, some 2030 people from the May 1992 incident were still missing, she said. Edited August 19, 2011 by random Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 How come its the first time we hear of 169 missing Red Shirts? Where were the inquiries from family and friends over this allegedly missing people? Red Shirts have been going on and on over the 92 people killed during their protest, but I haven't heard a pip about any missing persons. I think this is a bone thrown to the Red Shirts (who are keen on feeding on dead people) to keep them fired up. Not that I'm denying the existence of the bodies, but coming out and saying that this are missing Red Shirts doesn't sound believable to me. Depends if you think that the army consider themselves untouchable in this country, and that for the most part the media of the day parrots the line that a sitting government and army want them to parrot. It would take a pretty brave policeman, journalist and owner to have investigated this story under the last government I think. If 169 can disappear, what odds a couple more? I find it entirely plausible that these are bodies from the riots, however, I worry that the truth now is irrelevant and the army are going to come out swinging because they will have been backed into a corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 Authorities to dig up 169 bodies buried in 3 spots in Klaeng, Rayong; army chief refutes claims military was behind deaths /TAN_Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBJ Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Hopefully this is just an inappropriate sick joke .... Hopefully ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotbeve Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 (edited) The police knew it but only acted when the government changed. Just another "cover up" to add to the growing list of the Dems collection of corruption. The country is well rid of them. RIP presently unknown souls. This is gruesome. Yes! Good riddance of Dems! IMHO, many things unanswered will come out in the wash shortly. But let the officials investigating get on with their work before any more "off the hip" remarks are made. Edited August 19, 2011 by scotbeve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Clearly this must have been a tip off, the Thai police could not find their own <deleted> with both hands. I wonder how long they have had to sit on this information whilst under the dem regime Well done comrade, your propaganda is most excellent. The Great Leader will be very happy. Please continue with your random speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 So if this results from sort of of conspiracy stemming from the last government and there was an attempt to hide extremely incriminating evidence of the type that could bring down a government and even lead to allegations of crimes against humanity, I have one question: Why were the bodies not cremated? There are certainly plenty of cremation facilities available at temples. Remember how the Chinese dealt murdered protestors at Tiananmen Square? Something just doesn't seem right here..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 The police knew it but only acted when the government changed. Just another "cover up" to add to the growing list of the Dems collection of corruption. The country is well rid of them. Clearly not much vision. Perhaps blinkered would be a better sign-in name?Abhisit is renowned as the most anti-corruption PM Thailand has seen for a long time. Dear visions, your very quick to make some big assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHamon Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 in Thai, the number 11 sounds almost identical to the number 18. And have you ever looked closely at numbers written by a Thai? a number one looks like a seven, and a number four could look like a nine or a zero or a six, or......who knows? <deleted>? don't sound the same to me... sip-et = 11 sip-bad = 18 Also have you noticed that a ' i ' and ' j ' are nearly identical, and also a ' 1 ' and ' 7 ' and I'm sure to a foreign eye not used to roman script, other letters and numbers look very similar... chip = ship desert = dessert chin = shin cheap = sheep chic = cheek Pplenty of English words sounds exactly the same to people that are not familiar 2 them. So the problem is most likely your lack of familiarity of their language. <br style="mso-special-character:line-break"> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 If the government were trying to hide bodies of an extra 169 red shirts who died in the riots they're not going to dump them off in huge numbers at two random monastery. They would have been destroyed with no trace long ago. you are assuming some level of foresight and intelligence there. It is possible the dems did not expect to lose, it is possible they expected if they do lose then the good old army will have kicked out the ptp and reinstated them before these atrocities come to light, or then again based on the dems performance it was probably just good old incompetence. Do you have ANY facts to support this, or is it just part of your stream of rabid drivel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I urge those that may jump to conclusions that these are redshirt s to allow the police to investigate as it is quite normal do to a body dump. That being said, if these people do turn out to be redshirts, the response of some people in TVF will be interesting. I think we can already guess the responses from the usual mob, we will have such literary gems as: 'the reds killed them for propaganda purposes' 'its their own fault, if they were not there etc etc etc' 'the army only shot at armed people so they must have all been armed and dangerous' 'they are an overspill from Thaksins war on drugs' 'they were paid to be there so its their own choice' 'it wont have anything to do with the dems, abhisit is the least corrupt politician' etc etc etc, I am sure people can think of more, not the usual baying mob need any help with their lies and propaganda Yeah, amazing how baseball man went into immediate denial. If these unfortunates are proven to be red shirt demonstrators killed by the army there could, and should be, severe problems for the authorities in power at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Clearly this must have been a tip off, the Thai police could not find their own <deleted> with both hands. I wonder how long they have had to sit on this information whilst under the dem regime Well done comrade, your propaganda is most excellent. The Great Leader will be very happy. Please continue with your random speculation. mmmmm if you call me comrade then surely we must be of the same ilk, yet I sense a hint of sarcasm in your writing, do you have an answer as to how long the police have had to sit on this information? Do you think it is fresh information? Do you have anything to add to the discussion rather than mind numbing attempts at humour or petty name calling??? I await with baited breath comrade for your thoughts on the actual subject matter. p.s. You do know who that is in my avatar I take it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectrumisgreen Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 The police knew it but only acted when the government changed. without a doubt.. certainly the chief knew!!! No he's ingratiating himself into the new set-up!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Coming right out saying that this may be some previously unknown 169 missing Red Shirts (random's link mentions about 30 missing persons during the Red Shirt protest) is very suspicious, even more coming from a relative of Thaksin and Yingluck at the time they are on the spotlight over the FMs decision to help a fugitive. I'm thinking this announcement is an attempt to draw attention away from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKK Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 One wonders what "donation" the temples abbots accepted to enable all this to happen....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurwait Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 So if this results from sort of of conspiracy stemming from the last government and there was an attempt to hide extremely incriminating evidence of the type that could bring down a government and even lead to allegations of crimes against humanity, I have one question: Why were the bodies not cremated? There are certainly plenty of cremation facilities available at temples. Remember how the Chinese dealt murdered protestors at Tiananmen Square? Something just doesn't seem right here..... ^^^^^ This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 If the government were trying to hide bodies of an extra 169 red shirts who died in the riots they're not going to dump them off in huge numbers at two random monastery. They would have been destroyed with no trace long ago. you are assuming some level of foresight and intelligence there. It is possible the dems did not expect to lose, it is possible they expected if they do lose then the good old army will have kicked out the ptp and reinstated them before these atrocities come to light, or then again based on the dems performance it was probably just good old incompetence. Do you have ANY facts to support this, or is it just part of your stream of rabid drivel? Do you have ANY facts to disprove my theory? Which part are you so angry about, the incompetence is already proven to be fair, as for my other thoughts they are merely possibilities, hence the use of the word 'possible' in my post, at no point to I present anything in my post that i purport to be hard facts. Deary me haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 The family relationship of the police chief does not change the facts regarding the bodies if they were murder victims. *If*, indeed. Let us all be levelheaded and await word where the body came from. But I fear this will be another of those 'proclaim loud, reveal silently it was a mistake' affair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 So if this results from sort of of conspiracy stemming from the last government and there was an attempt to hide extremely incriminating evidence of the type that could bring down a government and even lead to allegations of crimes against humanity, I have one question: Why were the bodies not cremated? There are certainly plenty of cremation facilities available at temples. Remember how the Chinese dealt murdered protestors at Tiananmen Square? Something just doesn't seem right here..... ^^^^^ This. Incompetence, arrogance, belief that it will never be brought to light based on oppression of witnesses There are many possibilities as to why there was no cremation, maybe that in itself would have highlighted the number of bodies unless they were taken to a remote field, piled high and torched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Do you have ANY facts to support this, or is it just part of your stream of rabid drivel? Do you have ANY facts to disprove my theory? Which part are you so angry about, the incompetence is already proven to be fair, as for my other thoughts they are merely possibilities, hence the use of the word 'possible' in my post, at no point to I present anything in my post that i purport to be hard facts. Deary me haha The person making the accusation has to prove it true, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitterbatter Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Umm, yeah right. Suddenly the bodies which has been dead for more than 1 year has been resurrected somehow. Santhan said the bodies would be exhumed for DNA tests to determine the identities, adding that those involved with their burial would also be questioned. How is the DNA going to work in this case? I bet those involved in the burial would have forgotten what happened. In the end, I don't see much progress in this case besides the fact that the 169 bodies might be one of the propaganda tools. It will help them ID the people so that families can be notified that the people are dead instead of just missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuian Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Next will be mass defamation suits against anybody who raises concerns about the backgrounds of this "find". There is much, much moreto come, this isthe beginning ofthe 1st chapter, lean back and watch the show unfold, it'll bee 100% better then the previous ones "the return of the knight in shining armour"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
random Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Do you have ANY facts to support this, or is it just part of your stream of rabid drivel? Do you have ANY facts to disprove my theory? Which part are you so angry about, the incompetence is already proven to be fair, as for my other thoughts they are merely possibilities, hence the use of the word 'possible' in my post, at no point to I present anything in my post that i purport to be hard facts. Deary me haha The person making the accusation has to prove it true, not the other way around. My dad is bigger than you dad. Grow up. If someone feels so strongly about possibilities that i bring up, they are free to disprove them, if they can offer no proof that I am wrong then I feel I need offer no proof that I am right either, people can decide for themselves. But like I clearly state, these are possibilities, at no point do I claim them to be factual, therefore I have nothing to prove. Lesson over for today, tomorrow we can bring toys and play games with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 The police knew it but only acted when the government changed. Just another "cover up" to add to the growing list of the Dems collection of corruption. The country is well rid of them. Exactly. The demos were corrupt, beyond imagination. They were there strictly to enforce the wishes of the military, who are corrupt, fat, lazy, greedy lying pigs, out to enrich themselves, gain more power, and deepen their already swollen pockets. Abhisit never made a decision without consulting a general or one of the military's proxies. Why do you suppose he got so little done? Why do you suppose he did so little for the "people"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP25 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 If the government were trying to hide bodies of an extra 169 red shirts who died in the riots they're not going to dump them off in huge numbers at two random monastery. They would have been destroyed with no trace long ago. you are assuming some level of foresight and intelligence there. It is possible the dems did not expect to lose, it is possible they expected if they do lose then the good old army will have kicked out the ptp and reinstated them before these atrocities come to light, or then again based on the dems performance it was probably just good old incompetence. For years now reds have been telling people that were hundreds of people killed in the 2009 protest, and the government was so fearful of being found out that they buried the bodies in shipping containers and sunk them in the gulf of Thailand. Now they just take truckloads of them to some random monastery and dump them there without even bothering to cremate them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillies Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 How come its the first time we hear of 169 missing Red Shirts? Where were the inquiries from family and friends over this allegedly missing people? Red Shirts have been going on and on over the 92 people killed during their protest, but I haven't heard a pip about any missing persons. I think this is a bone thrown to the Red Shirts (who are keen on feeding on dead people) to keep them fired up. Not that I'm denying the existence of the bodies, but coming out and saying that this are missing Red Shirts doesn't sound believable to me. Maybe this is the first time YOU heard of missing red shirts, the military slaughtered so many more protesters at the wat that night than the 'news' reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Interesting that only the Nation is reporting this. If it were a story with substance it would be all over national and international press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boater Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 and if this was mass murder of the red shirts? and if this is deemed genocide, which it would be, will the people in charge/goverment be charged with genocide at the hague ???? ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai-Aust Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 (edited) "Amazing Thailand" These words should be banned. I'm sick to death everytime I saw this. Pleaseeeeeee, do not use those words again. :jap: It only shows the limitation of the writer's ability to come up with something better. Edited August 19, 2011 by Thai-Aust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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