British kick-boxer to be extradited to Thailand over murder of US Marine

[hehehoho]

http://www.phuketgazette.net/news/detail.asp?fromsearch=yes&Id=9088&Search=aldhouse

Nice report. Especially the GF part, amazing though how it completely differs to the reporting in another Phuket 'newspaper' (that isn't allowed to be quoted or linked to on Thaivisa) from the next day though.

Let me change around the order of the sentence so it doesn't break forum rules.

awakened by the noise, His girlfriend, She sees a man fleeing through the door. comes from the bedroom to see her boyfriend lying on the livingroom floor.

So that's the report from your link cast in dubious light. Changing her statement? Poor reporting?

She was working at 'Freedom Bar' until 2am was she? She wasn't/isn't a prostitute was/is she? Now that's not going to look good in court as the only 'witness' who both (reportedly)woke up as the assailant left as she was sleeping, and saw the whole thing from the very beginning! Amazing Thailand!

Edited September 12, 2011 by hehehoho

[Nisa]

Right, heho.

First you insinuate nothing reported in this case is reliable, then you go on to discuss what you have heard reported. Why bother.

And wowee hadn't heard that about the 7-11 knife being close but not at the scene. Pretty clear to me now that Aldhouse only considered the murder from a couple of hundred metres away but the tooth fairy swooped in and committed it before he had a chance.

Not 'the 7-11 knife', 'a 7-11 knife'.

Remember, courts generally deal with facts. As for the rest of your post, didn't you have to agree that you were over 13 yrs old when signing up here?

The victim's GF first reported that she only saw the murderer leave through the broken door as she came out of the bedroom. Seems she (or the police) have changed her story a bit. What other 'witnesses' (loose term in this case) are there to the murder? Please go on.

forensic evidence,

What forensic evidence has been submitted to the court? Hope the RTP weren't the ones collecting it.

video tape ....

Of the murder?

Or the video tape of a man appearing to be Aldhouse steal something from a 7-11. And a 7-11 knife wasn't found at the murder scene (but hundreds of yards away), another bloody knife was..... unless the RTP have been meddling again.

Hmmmm.

So that's no witnesses (besides the unreliable GF who seems to be changing stories)?

No video evidence of the crime (murder)?

No forensic evidence?

Is that correct to the best of your knowledge Nisa? (yes or no please Nisa)

Do the TRP police even have his fingerprints/DNA? (open question)

Are you really this ignorant about or just playing games? Excluding any miracle type evidence the defense puts on in court such as his having a twin brother, the below is enough to get a conviction without even getting into evidence such as DNA, finger prints and wounds on Alderhouse that the police hasn't released. And by the way, since he went to the victims home with a knife, there can be no self-defense defense.

Witnesses:

owner of the bar who says he was drunk, out of control and stating he was going to kill somebody

numerous bar partons who say Aldhouse picked a fight with the marine (Aldhouse challenged him shouting, 'You may be big but I am crazy,' witnesses said. Aldhouse then he punched the victim in]the face)

numerous bar patrons who witnesses and/or broke up the fight where Aldhouse got his butt kicked

bar patrons who say Aldhouse was a regular getting drunk and picking fights and bragging that he's invincible

numerous people who say Aldhouse was a bully, a drunk and liked to start fights when drunk

clerks and others at the 711 who saw Aldhouse come in and steal knive(s) (murder weapon)

witness told Aldhouse where victim lived

all the previous people who can testify about his violent past including at least 1 arrest (armed robbery) which he was still on probation

And yes, of course the girlfriend who witnessed the murder

Video:

Aldhouse stealing knive(s) that later turned out to be the murder weapon(s)

Aldhouse appearing to be in a rage as friend(s) try to stop him from heading towards the murder scene with knive(s)

Forensic Evidence:

Blood from the knive(s)/murder weapons he stole from the 7-11 shortly before the murder

likely finger prints from the same knive(s)

likely documents (passport included) showing Aldhouse fled Thailand after the murder

But I guess in your mind unless there is a video and multiple perfect witnesses to the actual murder then there is not likely to be a conviction. Things like means, motive, opportunity and events surrounding and happening directly before and after the murder play not part in convictions.

Even the courts and authorities in the UK have determined at this point that he more than likely committed the crime.

Edited September 12, 2011 by Nisa

[Nisa]

She was working at 'Freedom Bar' until 2am was she? She wasn't/isn't a prostitute was/is she? Now that's not going to look good in court

Yes, everyone knows how prostitutes have bad eye sight.

More interesting that with all the overwhelming evidence to show Aldhouse committed this murder you want to play ignorant but have now decided the girlfriend is likely a prostitute for working at a bar. Could it be she was simply a bartender?

Edited September 12, 2011 by Nisa

[hehehoho]

Just to go through your post from above Nisa.

Witnesses:

You've a long list of people who didn't witness the murder. So what witnesses are their for the actual crime? The GF who is reported to have seen it all from the very beginning, and claims to have only woken up to see the victim lying on the ground and 'a man' leaving through a broken door/window.

That immediately counts her out as far as we can go. So there are no witnesses (besides completely conflicting reports of the GF) to the murder, correct? (yes or no please Nisa. )

Video:

Is it a 7-11 knife or knives Nisa?

Police reported the bloodied knife found at the murder scene, inside the apartment, was not a 7-11 knife, and they don't know where that knife came from.

And there's no video of him at the crime scene, is that correct? (yes or no please Nisa)

Forensic Evidence:

What forensic evidence is there Nisa, that you are aware of? Please be precise (without the term 'likely' please.)

Thanks.

Edited September 12, 2011 by hehehoho

[globalmenace]

Thanks Risa.

There is more than enough purely witness and circumstantial evidence here to establish probable cause. He needs to answer for this at trial in Thailand.

[hehehoho]

I hope all these 'witnesses' who didn't actually witness the crime will still be in Thailand to testify in court that they didn't actually witness the crime, and that the Thai police took proper interviews with them all.

Edited September 12, 2011 by hehehoho

[globalmenace]

Just to go through your post from above Nisa.

Witnesses:

You've a long list of people who didn't witness the murder. So what witnesses are their for the actual crime? The GF who is reported to have seen it all from the very beginning, and claims to have only woken up to see the victim lying on the ground and 'a man' leaving through a broken door/window.

That immediately counts her out as far as we can go. So there are no witnesses (besides completely conflicting reports of the GF) to the murder, correct? (yes or no please Nisa. )

Video:

Is it a 7-11 knife or knives Nisa?

Police reported the bloodied knife found at the murder scene, inside the apartment, was not a 7-11 knife, and they don't know where that knife came from.

And there's no video of him at the crime scene, is that correct? (yes or no please Nisa)

Forensic Evidence:

What forensic evidence is there Nisa, that you are aware of? Please be precise (without the term 'likely' please.)

Thanks.

I'd certainly entrust even a Thai judge to deliver justice before I'd trust you to do the same. If there are problems with the evidence, he will be able to make his case.

Are you a buddy of Aldhouse, or just watch too much CSI?

[lennois]

<deleted> is your point heho?

If you are saying we cannot for sure say there is enough evidence that he will be 100% be found guilty or may get off on a technicality then yeah ok.

If you are saying from what we know at this point it is anything less than extremely likely he would be found guilty then you are a little slow (or more likely just arguing for the sake of it.)

If you are saying he likely didn't commit the crime (surely not) then you should be institutionalized

Edited September 12, 2011 by lennois

[hehehoho]

I am simply being realistic.

No witness to the actual crime, besides the conflicting reports of the GF.

No video of the crime.

No forensic evidence (as yet shown) linking the accused to the crime scene.

Possible video of him stealing a knife (or is it knives, Nisa?) from a 7-11, of which neither were the bloodied knife at the murder scene (as reported).

This is all correct, no?

Edited September 12, 2011 by hehehoho

[steelepulse]

According to hehe, our chap Aldhouse is a fine upstanding citizen that decided to take a circuitous route back to blighty land as he couldn't stand living here with the guilt of his crimes that he committed in blighty land, so that's why he went back after this alleged incident took place...................Lol

Of course all those stories of Sir Aldhouse selling certain substances and taking performance enhancing substances is also just conjecture .

Edited September 12, 2011 by steelepulse

[random]

haha a half decent barrister int he uk, let alone a competent QC would rip this evidence to shreds, it would fall at the first hurdle, lets get this straight, there is NO witness to the actual murder/manslaghter, there are bits of circumstantial evidence, the forensics are shit, as are all forensics in Thailand after the police, the press, soi dogs and uncle tom cobley and all has strolled through the scene of the crime.

All a decent lawyer needs to do here is to show that someone else had motive, had the ability, had the time to kill him and cast even more doubt on the already doubtful evidence, and i use the term evidence lightly.

Nisa you have plenty of witnesses to show Aldhouse is an arsehol_e, but not one witness to the actual murder. This is not a movie, this is real life.

in my opinion, one of two things happened, number 1, his girlfriend knifed him to death, number 2 and the most likely is that aldhouse turned up, the fight continued, both men were armed with knives, one is alive and the other is dead.

get over it, its a daily occurrence, the problem with this thread is it is full of americans because one is dead, none of you knew him, don't get so ate up about it, the chances are he wouldnt have given you the steam of his shit when he was alive, but you are all mourning him,

the girlfriend said this

"At first it didn't look like [Aldhouse] had anything," the girlfriend, identified only as Oi, told the Gazette. "We didn't know he had a knife because his hands were in his pockets." She said a fistfight began between the American and the Brit and the latter pulled out a knife and stabbed Longfellow twice in the chest.

Oi said that her boyfriend rushed inside and shut the door to protect her from Aldhouse. Oi called the police and an ambulance, but Longfellow died before they got there.

Now she says, she didn't see the fight or murder, says she woke up to see someone leaving through a broken door, well what a reliable witness she will be.

Edited September 12, 2011 by random

[lennois]

I am simply being realistic.

No witness to the actual crime, besides the conflicting reports of the GF.

No video of the crime.

No forensic evidence (as yet shown) linking the accused to the crime scene.

Possible video of him stealing a knife (or is it knives, Nisa?) from a 7-11, of which neither were the bloodied knife at the murder scene (as reported).

This is all correct, no?

1) You have know idea if the GFs story changed. Much more likely the reports of her story are conflicting.

2) No video of the knife going in no. So what, not often that there is unfortunately

3) Forensic evidence not released yet. Would be amazed if there wasn't any.

Regardless, the odds of him being found not guilty by either a Thai judge or a UK jury (if it could be tried there) are so remote they are not even worth considering

[steelepulse]

I don't know the law that well, but if there wasn't enough evidence, surely the UK would have denied the extradition request and kept the guy in remand for his previously committed crimes in the UK, correct?

[fredflintstone]

Just to go through your post from above Nisa.

Witnesses:

You've a long list of people who didn't witness the murder. So what witnesses are their for the actual crime? The GF who is reported to have seen it all from the very beginning, and claims to have only woken up to see the victim lying on the ground and 'a man' leaving through a broken door/window.

That immediately counts her out as far as we can go. So there are no witnesses (besides completely conflicting reports of the GF) to the murder, correct? (yes or no please Nisa. )

Video:

Is it a 7-11 knife or knives Nisa?

Police reported the bloodied knife found at the murder scene, inside the apartment, was not a 7-11 knife, and they don't know where that knife came from.

And there's no video of him at the crime scene, is that correct? (yes or no please Nisa)

Forensic Evidence:

What forensic evidence is there Nisa, that you are aware of? Please be precise (without the term 'likely' please.)

Thanks.

I'd certainly entrust even a Thai judge to deliver justice before I'd trust you to do the same. If there are problems with the evidence, he will be able to make his case.

Are you a buddy of Aldhouse, or just watch too much CSI?

Buddy . You are American & don't seem to know much about the Thai legal system ,

[lennois]

Amuses me this war going on through the thread of brits vs yanks.

Must say as a neutral kiwi observer the brits generally come across as right c#nts here though.

"get over it, its a daily occurrence, the problem with this thread is it is full of americans because one is dead, none of you knew him, don't get so ate up about it, the chances are he wouldnt have given you the steam of his shit when he was alive, but you are all mourning him,"

Stuff like that pretty much sums it up. Yeah lad, you'll have to forgive me for feeling for a young man that was stabbed to death ...

[fredflintstone]

Amuses me this war going on through the thread of brits vs yanks.

Must say as a neutral kiwi observer the brits generally come across as right c#nts here though.

"get over it, its a daily occurrence, the problem with this thread is it is full of americans because one is dead, none of you knew him, don't get so ate up about it, the chances are he wouldnt have given you the steam of his shit when he was alive, but you are all mourning him,"

Stuff like that pretty much sums it up. Yeah lad, you'll have to forgive me for feeling for a young man that was stabbed to death ...

What it is ,is that The Americans refuse to accept the facts as to Why he will not be extridited . As to if he is guilty or not Well The Americans here are not bothered they just want him dead .They want somebody to kill him but they are not willing to do it.

Nobody knows what the evidance is but some still say he is guilty after reading a local rag . You would of thought they would of taken in the Murdock affair .

The OP is from a UK rag . Americans are basing all their post on a UN-NAMED SORCE, it is so obvious that it is aload of BS. I do wonder as to American intelligence the way they believe everything that the press & Polititions come out with.

It has turned into Brits v Yanks because of the kill him rants of the idiots

[hehehoho]

According to hehe, our chap Aldhouse is a fine upstanding citizen that decided to take a circuitous route back to blighty land as he couldn't stand living here with the guilt of his crimes that he committed in blighty land, so that's why he went back after this alleged incident took place...................Lol

Of course all those stories of Sir Aldhouse selling certain substances and taking performance enhancing substances is also just conjecture .

Can all the children (and their child like fantasies) please stay out of this news thread. Thanks.

[hehehoho]

I am simply being realistic.

No witness to the actual crime, besides the conflicting reports of the GF.

No video of the crime.

No forensic evidence (as yet shown) linking the accused to the crime scene.

Possible video of him stealing a knife (or is it knives, Nisa?) from a 7-11, of which neither were the bloodied knife at the murder scene (as reported).

This is all correct, no?

1) You have know idea if the GFs story changed. Much more likely the reports of her story are conflicting.

2) No video of the knife going in no. So what, not often that there is unfortunately

3) Forensic evidence not released yet. Would be amazed if there wasn't any.

Regardless, the odds of him being found not guilty by either a Thai judge or a UK jury (if it could be tried there) are so remote they are not even worth considering

1. Yes, exactly. So no can say that there is a witness to the murder as the reports are so conflicting.

2. No video of the accused at the crime scene. No link to the reported murder weapon (the knife that the police reported was bloodied at the murder scene, not the 7-11 the accused is accused of stealing from the 7-11).

3. So nobody can say there's Forensic Evidence or not, true? Any reports of the police possessing the accused's finger prints/dna?

[Wallaby]

haha a half decent barrister int he uk, let alone a competent QC would rip this evidence to shreds, it would fall at the first hurdle, lets get this straight, there is NO witness to the actual murder/manslaghter, there are bits of circumstantial evidence, the forensics are shit, as are all forensics in Thailand after the police, the press, soi dogs and uncle tom cobley and all has strolled through the scene of the crime.

All a decent lawyer needs to do here is to show that someone else had motive, had the ability, had the time to kill him and cast even more doubt on the already doubtful evidence, and i use the term evidence lightly.

Nisa you have plenty of witnesses to show Aldhouse is an arsehol_e, but not one witness to the actual murder. This is not a movie, this is real life.

in my opinion, one of two things happened, number 1, his girlfriend knifed him to death, number 2 and the most likely is that aldhouse turned up, the fight continued, both men were armed with knives, one is alive and the other is dead.

get over it, its a daily occurrence, the problem with this thread is it is full of americans because one is dead, none of you knew him, don't get so ate up about it, the chances are he wouldnt have given you the steam of his shit when he was alive, but you are all mourning him,

the girlfriend said this

"At first it didn't look like [Aldhouse] had anything," the girlfriend, identified only as Oi, told the Gazette. "We didn't know he had a knife because his hands were in his pockets." She said a fistfight began between the American and the Brit and the latter pulled out a knife and stabbed Longfellow twice in the chest.

Oi said that her boyfriend rushed inside and shut the door to protect her from Aldhouse. Oi called the police and an ambulance, but Longfellow died before they got there.

Now she says, she didn't see the fight or murder, says she woke up to see someone leaving through a broken door, well what a reliable witness she will be.

Sorry, my post was somehow put inside the quote.

I think you are confusing an extradition hearing to a trial. They don't have to rip any evidence apart, they don't go through it with a fine tooth comb, the only briefly touch on it as to whether it would also be a crime in the UK etc. Look at the wikileaks dude. He isn't even charged with anything and the UK agreed to extradite him only to be questioned. Though this is still on appeal

Edited September 12, 2011 by Wallaby

[hehehoho]

^ How about writing something instead of just a big long quote and no comment under it?

[lennois]

Again heho, I'm unsure of your point? You think he is innocent or there isn't enough reported evidence to convict him? (kinda irrelevant when only a fraction of the evidence has been reported)

In Aldhouse's best case there is no forensic evidence (including no knife linked to him close to the scene), and the girlfriend (or anyone else about) says she saw nothing at all. And then they would have to decide all the other circumstantial evidence is not enough to convict him on it's merits alone (looks more than enough for any jury or Thai judge to me - can't see a thai judge finding him innocent after he was extradited)

Stranger things have happened but it is all rather unlikely

Everyone here knows he did it, it's patently obvious. Well, except for 'random' above I guess who thinks the girlfriend was the culprit lool

[steelepulse]

According to hehe, our chap Aldhouse is a fine upstanding citizen that decided to take a circuitous route back to blighty land as he couldn't stand living here with the guilt of his crimes that he committed in blighty land, so that's why he went back after this alleged incident took place...................Lol

Of course all those stories of Sir Aldhouse selling certain substances and taking performance enhancing substances is also just conjecture .

Can all the children (and their child like fantasies) please stay out of this news thread. Thanks.

I was there that night, as well as knowing the characters around the peripheral, I bet you weren't though, so carry on.

[fredflintstone]

Again heho, I'm unsure of your point? You think he is innocent or there isn't enough reported evidence to convict him? (kinda irrelevant when only a fraction of the evidence has been reported)

In Aldhouse's best case there is no forensic evidence (including no knife linked to him close to the scene), and the girlfriend (or anyone else about) says she saw nothing at all. And then they would have to decide all the other circumstantial evidence is not enough to convict him on it's merits alone (looks more than enough for any jury or Thai judge to me - can't see a thai judge finding him innocent after he was extradited)

Stranger things have happened but it is all rather unlikely

Everyone here knows he did it, it's patently obvious. Well, except for 'random' above I guess who thinks the girlfriend was the culprit lool

No they do not this is not trial by internet rumours that is why the debate is as OP Human rights are the real issues here . If I was you I would read the thread before making know it all statements . You are just proving that he Prob wouldn't get a fair trial here

[Tolley]

It seems pretty obvious from the facts presented that this guy will be found guilty.

I can't see how anyone could think otherwise.

All the inspector Clouseaus out there should realise that once you are extradited then in the vast majority of cases you will be found guilty.

[Nisa]

Are posters here really so ignorant to believe that there needs to be a witness to an actual murder to get a conviction. Then in this case when there is a witness, they discount that witness statements (based on the amount of information the police released to the press initially and later) as well as all the circumstantial evidence, the time line along with the motive, means and opportunity the Brit had ... not to mention his history of violence, violent criminal record and bad temper or the fact that the knife he stole from the 711 on video tape is the murder weapon ... lets not get into the fact that police don't put all their cards on the table before prosecution and it is almost certain they have finger prints and/or DNA linking him to the murder weapon and even possibly his blood at the crime scene on the knife found in the kitchen.

Nothing wrong with saying this guy deserves his day in court but there is serious something amiss with people's logic if they really believe the OVERWHELMING evidence released to date doesn't point to his guilt.

For all you that are Brits in denial and uncaring towards the death of a person from another nationality as well as the suspect facing trial in Thailand... you might want to consider the courts and the authorities in the UK have already said he should be extradited and there is enough evidence to believe he likely committed this crime.

But if it makes your boat float to live in fantasy land and believe the mutual extradition treaty between the UK and Thailand will not be upheld then go right ahead and keep dreaming.

[F1fanatic]

Thanks Risa.

There is more than enough purely witness and circumstantial evidence here to establish probable cause. He needs to answer for this at trial in Thailand.

No. He needs to stand trial in Britain (to ensure a fair trial) and if found guilty, serve the time in Thailand.

[fredflintstone]

It seems pretty obvious from the facts presented that this guy will be found guilty.

I can't see how anyone could think otherwise.

All the inspector Clouseaus out there should realise that once you are extradited then in the vast majority of cases you will be found guilty.

Do you have any data on that or is it just a throw away comment ?

[Richard4849]

Thanks Risa.

There is more than enough purely witness and circumstantial evidence here to establish probable cause. He needs to answer for this at trial in Thailand.

No. He needs to stand trial in Britain (to ensure a fair trial) and if found guilty, serve the time in Thailand.

Can't happen, won't happen. Too bad.

Commit an (alleged) crime in Thailand, and you're subject to the Thai justice system.

[Oberkommando]

I'd certainly entrust even a Thai judge to deliver justice before I'd trust you to do the same.

Have you a cake box stuffed with 1000thb notes under your arm?

[Tolley]

It seems pretty obvious from the facts presented that this guy will be found guilty.

I can't see how anyone could think otherwise.

All the inspector Clouseaus out there should realise that once you are extradited then in the vast majority of cases you will be found guilty.

Do you have any data on that or is it just a throw away comment ?

No I dont have any data it is just an observation based on my own reading of these things over the years.

Feel free to correct me if your observations are not the same.