Red-Shirt Leader Arisman Prepared To Surrender: Korkaew

[Siam Simon]

I´d be intereste to know how Arisaman supports himself while living in Cambodia; does he have a job? is he under a work permit visa or what? I mean, he probably entered Cambodia illegally, no?

Didn't he make a lot of money from being a popular singer a few years ago?

He was popular many years, beyond "a few", ago... but in Thailand, not Cambodia.

We can rest assured, , that none of the other Red Shirt Leaders and PTP MP's, including his wife, have done anything to assist in getting those dwindling funds still remaining out of the country to him in Cambodia nor supported him with any of their own funding, because to do that would mean aiding and abetting a criminal fugitive.

And the Red Shirts = PTP would never do anything to contravene the law.

as for entering Cambodia illegally, another Red Shirt Leader, Sae Daeng, was very public about entering Cambodia illegally. For his crime, he was rewarded with a personal meeting with Hun Sen (and Thaksin).

Seh Daeng 'sneaked' into Cambodia to see Thaksin

Published on November 17, 2009

Major-General Khattiya Sawatdiphol yesterday admitted he had sneaked into Cambodia to meet ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and Cambodian premier Hun Sen last week.

The politically active Army specialist better known as Seh Daeng said he managed to slip past immigration at the checkpoint by using his connections with Cambodian troops along the border.

"I was a warrior in Prachin Buri and know Cambodian soldiers very well. I was a trainer for many Cambodian military commanders," he said.

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I have no idea whether Arisman's funds are dwindling or not. Do you? Or is that just another 'you know what' from you?

Btw, does that photo of Seh Daeng and buddies that you raised with your magic wand from Photobucket infringe anybody's copyright? When I have a bit more time this coming weekend, I'm going to have a closer look at this.

[Buchholz]

Didn't he make a lot of money from being a popular singer a few years ago?

He was popular many years, beyond "a few", ago... but in Thailand, not Cambodia.

We can rest assured, , that none of the other Red Shirt Leaders and PTP MP's, including his wife, have done anything to assist in getting those dwindling funds still remaining out of the country to him in Cambodia nor supported him with any of their own funding, because to do that would mean aiding and abetting a criminal fugitive.

And the Red Shirts = PTP would never do anything to contravene the law.

as for entering Cambodia illegally, another Red Shirt Leader, Sae Daeng, was very public about entering Cambodia illegally. For his crime, he was rewarded with a personal meeting with Hun Sen (and Thaksin).

Seh Daeng 'sneaked' into Cambodia to see Thaksin

Published on November 17, 2009

Major-General Khattiya Sawatdiphol yesterday admitted he had sneaked into Cambodia to meet ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and Cambodian premier Hun Sen last week.

The politically active Army specialist better known as Seh Daeng said he managed to slip past immigration at the checkpoint by using his connections with Cambodian troops along the border.

"I was a warrior in Prachin Buri and know Cambodian soldiers very well. I was a trainer for many Cambodian military commanders," he said.

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I have no idea whether Arisman's funds are dwindling or not. Do you? Or is that just another 'you know what' from you?

Why would they not dwindle? He hasn't recorded in a long time. With no other obvious source of funds, of course they would be dwindling.

But by all means, go ahead and keep defending the wanted terrorist that advocated burning down 3,900 Muslim mosques in Thailand. That would certainly have increased the possibility for peace.

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Edited September 23, 2011 by Buchholz

[Siam Simon]

Why would they not dwindle? He hasn't recorded in a long time. With no other obvious source of funds, of course they would be dwindling.

But by all means, go ahead and keep defending the wanted terrorist that advocated burning down 3,900 Muslim mosques in Thailand. That would certainly have increased the possibility for peace.

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Not defending anybody. Just trying (against all odds) to establish the truth. And, on the subject we're debating, it appears you're wrong. The Performance Rights Organisation pays very generous fees to people who have their copyrighted material aired in a public place. Btw, it's an issue you personally should address wrt your photo posting if you don't want to eventually drag TVF into photo copyright issues.

[whybother]

Not defending anybody. Just trying (against all odds) to establish the truth. And, on the subject we're debating, it appears you're wrong. The Performance Rights Organisation pays very generous fees to people who have their copyrighted material aired in a public place. Btw, it's an issue you personally should address wrt your photo posting if you don't want to eventually drag TVF into photo copyright issues.

Given we're talking about Thailand, I doubt there would be much paid in the way of royalties.

On the other subject, the mods suggest using the "report" button if you're think there is a problem with someone's post. Maybe you should use that instead of bringing it up in every second post.

[siampolee]

Siam Simon.

I think that you will find that 'Photobucket images' are in the public domain.

You post them and anyone can use them.

You really must have a very limited outlook on life if the highlight of your weekend is seeking out information concerning possible copyright infringements by others who disagree with you in your attempts to stifle democratic free speech..

As an aside.

One is tempted to ask why you have a desire to stifle free speech and defend a bunch of terrorist so eagerly too ?

Why not pop off to North Korea?

I am sure you would indeed be much more at home there than here in Thailand.

[Siam Simon]

Not defending anybody. Just trying (against all odds) to establish the truth. And, on the subject we're debating, it appears you're wrong. The Performance Rights Organisation pays very generous fees to people who have their copyrighted material aired in a public place. Btw, it's an issue you personally should address wrt your photo posting if you don't want to eventually drag TVF into photo copyright issues.

Given we're talking about Thailand, I doubt there would be much paid in the way of royalties.

Do you know anything about this?

On the other subject, the mods suggest using the "report" button if you're think there is a problem with someone's post. Maybe you should use that instead of bringing it up in every second post.

Whybother gives a strontium defence of the indefensible again.

[whybother]

Given we're talking about Thailand, I doubt there would be much paid in the way of royalties.

Do you know anything about this?

It's Thailand. Don't you know that a bit of piracy goes on here? You obviously don't spend much time here.

On the other subject, the mods suggest using the "report" button if you're think there is a problem with someone's post. Maybe you should use that instead of bringing it up in every second post.

Whybother gives a strontium defence of the indefensible again.

Indefensible? OMG, the sheer audacity of someone maybe using a copyrighted photo. Quick. Call Chalerm. He's the one dealing with computer crimes now.

[hellodolly]

Pheu Thai Party MP and red-shirt leader Korkaew Pikulthong said that he and his peers are prepared for the friendly football match between Thai and Cambodian leaders on September 23 and 24.

He said that he would persuade key red-shirt leader Arisman Pongruangrong to surrender

Don't these Red Shirt Leaders (Natthawut) talk to the other Red Shirt Leaders (Korkaew)when they discuss a still different Red Shirt Leader (Arisaman)????

Fugitive Red Shirt Leader Arisaman would seem to agree with both of you on the appeal of this married woman that is now PM.

Coincidentally, Arisaman was in the news this evening after Red Shirt Leader Out On Bail and Pheu Thai Party-list MP Natthawut said that he met with the criminal fugitive in Cambodia during his trip there last week.

Natthawut said further that he had tried to persuade the singer-turned-terrorist-suspect to return to Thailand, but that Arisaman refused.

Arisaman will not return to Thailand as of now

BANGKOK, 20 September 2011 (NNT)-Pheu Thai MP and United front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) leader Mr. Nattawut Saikuea has reported himself to the Criminal Court after his trip to Cambodia during which he claimed to have met Mr. Arisaman Pongruengrong, the UDD fugitive, who remained on the run.

Mr. Nattawut claimed he had also met with the exiled leader, Mr. Thaksin Shinawatra, who had asked him to pass along his well wishes to the Thai people and the government.

The UDD leader also said that although he had tried to convince Mr. Arisaman to turn himself to the authority, his fellow UDD member was hesitant to return to Thailand for his own reasons.

Mr. Nattawut said he would be ready to assist Mr. Arisaman whenever he was ready.

Meanwhile, the lawyer of the UDD revealed later that those who had returned from Cambodia recently; consisting of UDD members and Pheu Thai MPs, would submit a petition again to ask the Criminal Court for permission to make another trip to Cambodia.

-- NNT 2011-09-20

Red Shirt Leader Out On Bail and Pheu Thai Party-list MP Natthawut

Out on bail and allowed to leave the country? Is that Standard Operating Procedure or just special consideration handed out to suspected terrorists?

[hellodolly]

Why would they not dwindle? He hasn't recorded in a long time. With no other obvious source of funds, of course they would be dwindling.

But by all means, go ahead and keep defending the wanted terrorist that advocated burning down 3,900 Muslim mosques in Thailand. That would certainly have increased the possibility for peace.

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Not defending anybody. Just trying (against all odds) to establish the truth. And, on the subject we're debating, it appears you're wrong. The Performance Rights Organisation pays very generous fees to people who have their copyrighted material aired in a public place. Btw, it's an issue you personally should address wrt your photo posting if you don't want to eventually drag TVF into photo copyright issues.

Just as a suggestion in your search to find the truth you might start off by excepting truth.

[AleG]

Seh Daeng 'sneaked' into Cambodia to see Thaksin

Published on November 17, 2009

Major-General Khattiya Sawatdiphol yesterday admitted he had sneaked into Cambodia to meet ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and Cambodian premier Hun Sen last week.

The politically active Army specialist better known as Seh Daeng said he managed to slip past immigration at the checkpoint by using his connections with Cambodian troops along the border.

"I was a warrior in Prachin Buri and know Cambodian soldiers very well. I was a trainer for many Cambodian military commanders," he said.

On itself things like Arisaman and Kattiya entering Cambodia illegally and not just not being arrested for an immigration offense, but end up merrily mingling with Hun Sen and other ministers its proof positive of the Cambodian government interfering with Thai politics in a very crass way.

Hun Sen has a vested interest in having his "eternal friend" in control of Thailand, and has taken steps to ensure that, for example, scripting the release of the arrested on espionage charges air traffic controller a few years ago so as to give credit to Thaksin, the border clashes, providing safe haven to Red Shirts fugitives (no to talk of Thaksin himself), etc, etc...

[webfact]

Key Red-shirt Leaders Still On the Run

Director General of the DSI disclosed key red-shirt leaders show no sign of surrender, and is unable to uncover the process after their surrenders as a conclusion from the National Reconciliation has must be drawn before the proceeding according to government policy.

Chief of Thailand's Department of Special Investigation, or DSI, Tharit Pengdit disclosed about a rumor about red-shirt leaders, Arisman Pongruangrong, and Jakrapob Penkair, are prepared to surrender to the DSI.

He said there are no sign of surrender of the two key red-shirt leaders.

This causes him to unable to answer any questions referring to this matter.

However, he is waiting for a conclusion from the head of the National Reconciliation Kanit Na Nakhon and orders from the Government before taking any actions.

Nevertheless, Arisman has insisted to surrender, but his surrender will not be happened in shortly as he indicated that even though the current Government has been elected by people, the political environment is still unstable.

The two key red-shirt leaders are wanted for terrorism after repeatedly calling for violence during the red-shirt protest last year.

-- Tan Network 2011-09-23

[rubl]

"But Jatuporn told him that there is nothing to fear because the political situation has changed and the Corrections Department is now under the government's control. The case is also a political case so he will be released on bail," Kokaew said.

Speechless, I'm speechless at the audacity of Pheu Thai party list UDD MP Kokaew. This sad excuse for an MP also suggested today in parliament to reclassify last years terrorist activities by the UDD as 'riots only' because it would help businesses in Bangkok's upmarket commercial district get their insurance claims paid out. What's next, declare grenade lobbing a Thai cultural passtime?

Daft Political Post Of The Week winner, hands down . Take a chill pill, uncle, or rant.

Daft? I'm sure you will be able to offer constructive criticism as well. Don't be shy, just give it a try. All of us had to learn the hard way

[Buchholz]

Jakrapob Penkair

Now there's a blast from the past.

Since he fled Thailand, haven't heard much of squat on him, other than an interview over a year ago

Jakrapob Penkair Interview

[rubl]

Pheu Thai MP's including Korkaew have planned to visit Cambodia during Spetember 23-25 to join a friendship football match which will be presided over by PM Hun Sen and former PM Somchai Wongsawat. Korkaew said about 10,000 Red Shirt members are expected to witness the event.

One day later the other newspaper has it that more than 1,000 red-shirt supporters queued up in Sa Kaeo, Aranyaprathet. It seems there were signs with "Thaksin, We Miss You", "We Love Hun Sen" and "We Love Cambodia". In Poipot more than 50 air-conned buses were waiting, PM Hun Sen had sent them it seems.

[Buchholz]

Pheu Thai MP's including Korkaew have planned to visit Cambodia during Spetember 23-25 to join a friendship football match which will be presided over by PM Hun Sen and former PM Somchai Wongsawat. Korkaew said about 10,000 Red Shirt members are expected to witness the event.

One day later the other newspaper has it that more than 1,000 red-shirt supporters queued up in Sa Kaeo, Aranyaprathet. It seems there were signs with "Thaksin, We Miss You", "We Love Hun Sen" and "We Love Cambodia". In Poipot more than 50 air-conned buses were waiting, PM Hun Sen had sent them it seems.

The game is tomorrow. Where are the other 9,000 Red Shirt attendees? AirAsia charters?

Still, at least they didn't proclaim there would be 1,000,000 Red Shirts at the Cambodian rally.... errr, game.

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Edited September 23, 2011 by Buchholz

[Siam Simon]

Siam Simon.

I think that you will find that 'Photobucket images' are in the public domain.

You post them and anyone can use them.///cut

A copyrighted product is a copyrighted product. One can no more illegally upload/download a copyrighted photo than one can illegally upload/download a copy of Windows 7 or the latest movie releases.

I cut your flame out of my reply.

Edited September 23, 2011 by Siam Simon

[Siam Simon]

Why would they not dwindle? He hasn't recorded in a long time. With no other obvious source of funds, of course they would be dwindling.

But by all means, go ahead and keep defending the wanted terrorist that advocated burning down 3,900 Muslim mosques in Thailand. That would certainly have increased the possibility for peace.

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Not defending anybody. Just trying (against all odds) to establish the truth. And, on the subject we're debating, it appears you're wrong. The Performance Rights Organisation pays very generous fees to people who have their copyrighted material aired in a public place. Btw, it's an issue you personally should address wrt your photo posting if you don't want to eventually drag TVF into photo copyright issues.

Just as a suggestion in your search to find the truth you might start off by excepting truth.

I search for the truth by looking for facts and honesty. Unfortunately, I all-too-often find posters aggressively pushing slanted agenda and partiality. And doing so as if the very future of Thailand depends on them winning some perceived propaganda war on this forum.

Btw, does anybody know what happened to TV poster jayjay0?

[Siam Simon]

"But Jatuporn told him that there is nothing to fear because the political situation has changed and the Corrections Department is now under the government's control. The case is also a political case so he will be released on bail," Kokaew said.

Speechless, I'm speechless at the audacity of Pheu Thai party list UDD MP Kokaew. This sad excuse for an MP also suggested today in parliament to reclassify last years terrorist activities by the UDD as 'riots only' because it would help businesses in Bangkok's upmarket commercial district get their insurance claims paid out. What's next, declare grenade lobbing a Thai cultural passtime?

Daft Political Post Of The Week winner, hands down . Take a chill pill, uncle, or rant.

Daft? I'm sure you will be able to offer constructive criticism as well. Don't be shy, just give it a try. All of us had to learn the hard way

The politician you derided has come up with some sensible proposals to move things on to the benefit of all concerned (conciliation can be more than a buzz word used by the last government), and you were foaming at the mouth about it. And then the facetious, and highly offensive to victims' families (I doubt, thankfully, that Col Romklao's and others' bereaved read these often crazy threads) aside about grenade throwing. What's really surprising is that I never had you down as one of the forum's drama queen propagandists.

[rubl]

Speechless, I'm speechless at the audacity of Pheu Thai party list UDD MP Kokaew. This sad excuse for an MP also suggested today in parliament to reclassify last years terrorist activities by the UDD as 'riots only' because it would help businesses in Bangkok's upmarket commercial district get their insurance claims paid out. What's next, declare grenade lobbing a Thai cultural passtime?

Daft Political Post Of The Week winner, hands down . Take a chill pill, uncle, or rant.

Daft? I'm sure you will be able to offer constructive criticism as well. Don't be shy, just give it a try. All of us had to learn the hard way

The politician you derided has come up with some sensible proposals to move things on to the benefit of all concerned (conciliation can be more than a buzz word used by the last government), and you were foaming at the mouth about it. And then the facetious, and highly offensive to victims' families (I doubt, thankfully, that Col Romklao's and others' bereaved read these often crazy threads) aside about grenade throwing. What's really surprising is that I never had you down as one of the forum's drama queen propagandists.

So you think in the name of reconciliation it is a good idea to have a UDD leader, Pheu Thai party list MP who was heavily involved in the March - May 2010 violence suggest to describe the activities as 'riot' instead of 'terrorism'? A reasonable proposal, only a simple riot, carefully planned, only stopped because of some external influences. A rain of grenades, part of normal riots. K. Kokaew can teach some people in the UK how to spontaneously riot.

A suggestion because it would help businesses in Bangkok's upmarket commercial district get their insurance claims paid out. Not a suggestion to help facilitate reconciliation. No suggestion on we're sorry we had a bit of a riot and now we try to help you forget what we did.

K. Kokaew is the insensitive person here, not me. You are the insensitive person here, not me. You start to get personal, not me.

Edited September 24, 2011 by rubl

[AleG]

So you think in the name of reconciliation it is a good idea to have a UDD leader, Pheu Thai party list MP who was heavily involved in the March - May 2010 violence suggest to describe the activities as 'riot' instead of 'terrorism'? A reasonable proposal, only a simple riot, carefully planned, only stopped because of some external influences. A rain of grenades, part of normal riots. K. Kokaew can teach some people in the UK how to spontaneously riot.

A suggestion because it would help businesses in Bangkok's upmarket commercial district get their insurance claims paid out. Not a suggestion to help facilitate reconciliation. No suggestion on we're sorry we had a bit of a riot and now we try to help you forget what we did.

K. Kokaew is the insensitive person here, not me. You are the insensitive person here, not me. You start to get personal, not me.

Don't despair, rubl, it may be an improvement. It's gone from pure as snow "Peaceful Protestors" to a rioting mob. Who knows, maybe after some time they may hint at the idea that maybe there were one or two armed guys around.

[Siripon]

I saw on the news today some red shirts in Cambodia, heading for the football match.They really need some English lessons because their banner was supposed to have read-' Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship' but unfortunately 2 letters were omitted, leaving it as-'Democratic Alliance Again Dictatorship'!

Perhaps they're finally admitting the true nature of their organisation!

[Siam Simon]

So you think in the name of reconciliation it is a good idea to have a UDD leader, Pheu Thai party list MP who was heavily involved in the March - May 2010 violence suggest to describe the activities as 'riot' instead of 'terrorism'? A reasonable proposal, only a simple riot, carefully planned, only stopped because of some external influences. A rain of grenades, part of normal riots. K. Kokaew can teach some people in the UK how to spontaneously riot.

A suggestion because it would help businesses in Bangkok's upmarket commercial district get their insurance claims paid out. Not a suggestion to help facilitate reconciliation. No suggestion on we're sorry we had a bit of a riot and now we try to help you forget what we did.

K. Kokaew is the insensitive person here, not me. You are the insensitive person here, not me. You start to get personal, not me.

Look around the world at how reconciliation in violent political conflicts works, and take the time to look at who some of the leading players are and what their histories are. Eating a huge portion of humble pie, as you want to see done, is never part of the agenda in such reconciliations. Getting things back on track, such as helping businesses that suffered under the political conflict are.

[hammered]

So you think in the name of reconciliation it is a good idea to have a UDD leader, Pheu Thai party list MP who was heavily involved in the March - May 2010 violence suggest to describe the activities as 'riot' instead of 'terrorism'? A reasonable proposal, only a simple riot, carefully planned, only stopped because of some external influences. A rain of grenades, part of normal riots. K. Kokaew can teach some people in the UK how to spontaneously riot.

A suggestion because it would help businesses in Bangkok's upmarket commercial district get their insurance claims paid out. Not a suggestion to help facilitate reconciliation. No suggestion on we're sorry we had a bit of a riot and now we try to help you forget what we did.

K. Kokaew is the insensitive person here, not me. You are the insensitive person here, not me. You start to get personal, not me.

Look around the world at how reconciliation in violent political conflicts works, and take the time to look at who some of the leading players are and what their histories are. Eating a huge portion of humble pie, as you want to see done, is never part of the agenda in such reconciliations. Getting things back on track, such as helping businesses that suffered under the political conflict are.

People miss this point. Many who post on here dont even admit it is political conflict but see it as criminality against law and order or right versus wrong. The interesting thing is this level of naivety is not seen among the wider Thai populace who while maybe diagreeing on explanation do it seems see it pretty much across the board as a politicial crisis irregardless of, or maybe because of, how much propaganda time has been spent trying to convince them it is a right-wrong criminality issue. Then again Thai people have been brought up and lived through the system and know its nature unlike many foreign visitors

Edited September 24, 2011 by hammered

[rubl]

So you think in the name of reconciliation it is a good idea to have a UDD leader, Pheu Thai party list MP who was heavily involved in the March - May 2010 violence suggest to describe the activities as 'riot' instead of 'terrorism'? A reasonable proposal, only a simple riot, carefully planned, only stopped because of some external influences. A rain of grenades, part of normal riots. K. Kokaew can teach some people in the UK how to spontaneously riot.

A suggestion because it would help businesses in Bangkok's upmarket commercial district get their insurance claims paid out. Not a suggestion to help facilitate reconciliation. No suggestion on we're sorry we had a bit of a riot and now we try to help you forget what we did.

K. Kokaew is the insensitive person here, not me. You are the insensitive person here, not me. You start to get personal, not me.

Look around the world at how reconciliation in violent political conflicts works, and take the time to look at who some of the leading players are and what their histories are. Eating a huge portion of humble pie, as you want to see done, is never part of the agenda in such reconciliations. Getting things back on track, such as helping businesses that suffered under the political conflict are.

People miss this point. Many who post on here dont even admit it is political conflict but see it as criminality against law and order or right versus wrong. The interesting thing is this level of naivety is not seen among the wider Thai populace who while maybe diagreeing on explanation do it seems see it pretty much across the board as a politicial crisis irregardless of, or maybe because of, how much propaganda time has been spent trying to convince them it is a right-wrong criminality issue. Then again Thai people have been brought up and lived through the system and know its nature unlike many foreign visitors

Simon: eating humble pie, whether part or no part of an agenda is irrelevant.

Simon & Hammered: this 'political conflict' had armed militants and grenade lobbing enthousiasts. That makes it a criminal activity. A criminal activity can be politizised and depending on who wins, swept under the carpet, but it still remains a criminal offence. Propaganda is trying to only blame the Abhisit government and applauding the UDD stance 'we did nothing wrong'.

Of course if you agree with the criminal violence because it is a political issue ... I guess we have to rename the activities down South which kills people on a daily base.

[AleG]

I saw on the news today some red shirts in Cambodia, heading for the football match.They really need some English lessons because their banner was supposed to have read-' Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship' but unfortunately 2 letters were omitted, leaving it as-'Democratic Alliance Again Dictatorship'!

Perhaps they're finally admitting the true nature of their organisation!

Maybe they adjusted the slogan to not offend Hun Sen?

I don't think your average person waving a banner against dictatorship in Cambodia would be tolerated by Thaksin's eternal friend.

[whybother]

Arisman told KomChadLuek he escaped from Rajprasong using a camouflage spell a monk taught him on the phone./ Via@tulsathit

Spiderman-in-camouflage Arisman also said he had to dodge "a hundred thousand bullets" during escape. cc @KribBKK @rebel_bay/ Via@tulsathit

To those asking why Arisman had to dodge 100,000 bullets if he could camouflage himself, I don't know./ Via@tulsathit

Edited September 26, 2011 by whybother

[TAWP]

Arisman is a nutcase. Would be funny if he wasn't so dangerous.