American-led Peace Movements

[Khun ?]

To Khun ?,

Sorry I can't tell you where the money is. But I can tell you where the WMD are not.

What about the chemical weapons ( blister agent) found yesterday. It has taken

them 13 years to find this and it was in a known place of conflict. If you know money from Saddam is not supporting terrorist then why do you not know where the countries money was spent. It did not all go on Palaces and statues of Saddam.

Butterfly just admit you do not know anything about Saddam or Al-Qeada.

This horse manure liberal stuff you guys throw out here just reconfirms Bush's

re-election will come easy. Dem's have to pay you bashers. Lift up your skirts bend over and say monica 5 times, this should make you feel better.

[adjan jb]

Butterfly just admit you do not know anything about Saddam or Al-Qeada.

I AM NOT BUTTERFLY

I ALREADY TOLD YOU SO.

[SoCal]

Flies of a feather flock together.

[plachon]

Thaiquila is a Benedict Arnold.

If being a truth seeking, fascist hating, freedom and civil rights loving American makes me a Benedict Arnold, just call be Ben and pass the bangers and mash!

For the non-Yanks, Ben was a famous pro British American traitor in the US revolution against Britain.

Thank you v. much for that clarification Thaiquila. Sounds like a terrible slur to have against your name to be likened to someone sympathising with your closest political ally in the world these days. Cutting insults from G-P indeed. But hey, no need to be too depressed, as our elections aren't that far off either and then we'll see how the chips (or is that FRENCH FRIES?) fall for Blair, as well as bush. You can come and have some bangers and mash with lashings of HP sauce at my place any day, amigo Ben, with the blinkers off.

[Georgie-Porgie]

plachon, I believe that I speak for all Americans when I offer you this deal. We will TRADE you Thaiquila for Tony Blair.

Mr. Blair would make a fine V.P. when the present one kicks the bucket (We like his accent).

As far as Thaiquila goes, someone needs to clean the floors at Buckingham Palace.

[plachon]

I've got no objections to this deal G-P, as I'm sure many of your "liberated & unblinkered" compatriots will be joining him in future years. Already i hear there is an exodus of blacks from US to Europe to escape the repressive racism, which refuses to die a long-overdue death in your fine nation. And not many will shed tears for Blair's departure to the White House kennels. But I think you should just check first if you do actually "speak for all Americans" as you so presumptuously assume and whether you can afford to lose the cream of the crop to UK? Hehehe!

[pepe]

And not many will shed tears for Blair's departure to the White House kennels.

I love this one.

[Georgie-Porgie]

It's a trade, and we'll throw in all the blacks who want to go for free.

As George Bush's grandfather use to say: If we knew what a pain in the arse they were going to be, we would have picked the dammed cotton ourselves!

[Georgie-Porgie]

For any African Americans out there. I really am just kidding, but I love that line (from some movie that I saw). Peace!

[pepe]

George Bush's grandfather ?

Do you mean the one who traded with the third reich ?

[Georgie-Porgie]

That was probably the one.

[pepe]

What a family !!!!!

[adjan jb]

If we knew what a pain in the arse they were going to be, we would have picked the dammed cotton ourselves!

In the following you say that you were kidding but that you like very much that sentence.

Georgie-Porgie, be careful not to go over the top.

In the real world, not everybody is white. Some have a different colour and they are very sensitive about that.

I don't want to say that you are racist but you come close.

One more time, be careful: racist comments are punishable by law.

Time to close that thread.

[Jeepz]

pepe ~

You really shouldn't visit the sins of the father on the son. Or in this case, the grandfather. Lots of people did business with governments or leaders that ultimately became notorious. Joe Kennedy Sr was quite cozy with the Nazis and that led to his fall from grace in the FDR administration. But no one sees Jack Kennedy tainted by his fathers association.

In Review ~

It is obvious that there are some very polarized views here. While I'm pro-american and support both the government and the troops, it doesn't mean I have no concerns about the Bush administration. I am very concerned about abuse of gov't power, about waste, and short sighted politics.

When I read about prosecuters using parts of the Patriot Act to investigate Las Vegas casino owners, I am pretty sure that some of my fears are coming true. But that doesn't mean I want to repeal the act, I want to have it used wisely, with discretion, the way it was supposedly intended. Yeah, I know. If I had wings I wouldn't bump my ass when I hit the ground.

That Bush wanted to thin down Saddam from the outset of his election does not surprise me. But, to be honest, I think that Bush and most of his people did believe there were WMD and that played strongly on why they went when they did.

And if the gov't was as evil and twisted as some of you seem to believe, hey ... they would have found them. Really. Even if they had to plant them there. But they haven't. Yes, it is pretty embarressing for Bush and for the CIA. But if it was all just lies, subterfuge, and intrigue from the start, they would have rummaged up a few cases of whatever and a few weeks into it, produced them for CNN or Fox News and ... they didn't.

Guys ~

And name calling, geeze, give it a break. There are few individuals that can rate up there with Hitler. Saddam was a dictator in the mold of a Hitler wannabe, but no where nearly as deadly. Hitler saw millions die at his hands. His only peer is Stalin. Well, Pol Pot might make a junior member status. But truly evil that reaches massive numbers are rare and should be remembered as such.

Benedict Arnold was a very able and brave American soldier. But he was very ambitious as well. When his ambition was thwarted, he obtained an important position (commander of the fort at West Point) and then used it to negotiate a "better deal" with the British. It wasn't that he was pro-british to start with. Heck, one third of the american colonial population were tory (pro-british) or so I was taught years ago. It was that he had shown such valor in battle and become quite renowned as an American patriot before he switched sides.

So the average poster here doesn't really have the credentials to warrant such a title. It would take someone like Robert Hanssen or Ames to fill that bill, and even they actually fall short.

adjan jb ~

You think that because it pisses arabs off when we kill one that happens to be a terrorist we should stop? Quit yanking my leg. I don't really give a flip what religion the terrorist happens to be, Moslem in the Middle East, Catholic in Ireland, Atheist in South America. Zap. Dead. Tough <deleted> Luck! Bring on the next ten please.

Jeepz

[Georgie-Porgie]

If we knew what a pain in the arse they were going to be, we would have picked the dammed cotton ourselves!

In the following you say that you were kidding but that you like very much that sentence.

Georgie-Porgie, be careful not to go over the top.

In the real world, not everybody is white. Some have a different colour and they are very sensitive about that.

I don't want to say that you are racist but you come close.

One more time, be careful: racist comments are punishable by law.

Time to close that thread.

adjan jb, I find this post a little peculiar. What do you mean that," racist comments are punishable by law". I don't think that I am that out of touch with the real world. Certainly not here in Thailand, and I doubt if they are punishable in the USA where I believe this Forum is based.

Anyway, the reason that I immediately made it obvious that I was joking is because I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but at the same time, I hope that we never get so thin-skinned, and politically correct that we can't laugh at ourselves.

If what I said on that post was, in any way, illegal, that would mean that the novel by Kurt Vonnegut Jr., Breakfast of Champions, should be totally off the shelves by now, and Mr. Vonnegut should be living his last few years in the big house.

I hope not, because it is one of my favorite books. So it goes.

[the gentleman]

Wow, this is definately "the bear pit" - Get it on guys and gals. It is very funny to read the silent slaps.

[Khun ?]

Butterfly just admit you do not know anything about Saddam or Al-Qeada.

I AM NOT BUTTERFLY

I ALREADY TOLD YOU SO.

Are you a paid Dem or maybe an associate of B-Fly.

Really I do not care who is president.

I do believe the right course and the world leaders are now realizing it is a world problem and it is best the world remove irratic self indulged terror of nation

dictators.

From the time Saddam did not leave Kuwait peacefully he was a goner.

Osama has nothing but hate and will lead the poor he can influence to follow himself to ###### if there is such place worse than Afhganistan. Misery loves company.

Also using the U.N. as a face to hide multi billion $ contracts with evil dictators was

one of the most dispecable guttless and treasonous acts a coalition partner could

do.

The final invasion of Iraq was forced upon others by their flip flop money grubbing

leaders. Saddam could of left peacefully with his regime and billions and

he did not do it. The blood is on his hands and the back door dealing leaders hands.

Just when will these religious people really do things peacefully. The whole world is tired of people using religion to hide their bigotry and hate. Put people to work then they will not have time to sit around and hate everyone.

Has religion every been anything other than to hide hate. Something to think about. We were raised to think religion was a way of peace now that we are older we see it is a thing to hide hate. I do not need the crutch I dislike enough stuff that has never had anything to do with religion. Anyway religion has nothing to do with peace it is about time we accept it.

[SoCal]

A whole lot of people have been killed in the name of god. That's for sure.

[adjan jb]

Has religion every been anything other than to hide hate. Something to think about. We were raised to think religion was a way of peace now that we are older we see it is a thing to hide hate. I do not need the crutch I dislike enough stuff that has never had anything to do with religion. Anyway religion has nothing to do with peace it is about time we accept it.

This time I fully agree with you.

Religions help us ti hide our fears, our hate.

God, whatever his mane, is a pain in the arse.

Osama and his followers are religious fanatics. But Bush is also wrong to use his faith (he just makes the whole thing looks like a holy crusade).

In the eyes of an atheist, an agnostic (or a muslim), Bush also looks like a fanatic.

We do need more common sense, more pragmatism. We don't need any more religion. It has done enough harm to mankind

[Georgie-Porgie]

Well it looks like perhaps we all agree on one thing: Religion, not much else though!

[Georgie-Porgie]

I believe that Old Khun is on a roll. Look what he had to say on another thread. Can we agree on this also?

Khun ? Posted: Wed 2004-01-14, 13:18:32

I am a prostitute at work. Many times I have been ****ed and never got paid extra. It does not give me much to talk about either. Whats up with us prostitutes?

[adjan jb]

I believe that Old Khun is on a roll. Look what he had to say on another thread. Can we agree on this also?

Khun ? Posted: Wed 2004-01-14, 13:18:32

I am a prostitute at work. Many times I have been ****ed and never got paid extra. It does not give me much to talk about either. Whats up with us prostitutes?

My boss/pimp pretends to pay me so I fake the orgasms.

[adjan jb]

Maybe someby could start a thread about religion(s).

As far as I'm concerned I'm too lazy and anyway it's lunch time.

[adjan jb]

Wow, this is definately "the bear pit" - Get it on guys and gals. It is very funny to read the silent slaps.

If you like it, join us more often.

[Thaiquila]

Another voice about the Bush Iraq war lies from the loyal opposition, one of the true American patriots, senior senator Ted Kennedy. Strong words from Teddy and I couldn't have said it better. I even included the retort from a Bush toady to provide some balance for you Bush apololigists. It is now pretty clear that the Iraq war is going to be the major issue in the campaign for both parties.

"Kennedy Calls War a 'Political Product' Marketed by Bush

By Helen Dewar

Washington Post Staff Writer

Thursday, January 15, 2004; Page A15

President Bush marketed the war on Iraq as a "political product" to influence the 2002 elections and is doing so again this year, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) charged yesterday in a scathing speech accusing Bush of putting politics ahead of national security.

In a speech to the liberal Center for American Progress, Kennedy said the war has increased hatred for the United States abroad, diverted attention from the broader war against terrorism and put the country more "at risk" than it was before.

Kennedy, a leading Democratic liberal who was among the small minority of lawmakers to vote against the congressional authorization for war in 2002, has been criticizing Bush on Iraq for months, but rarely in such a sweeping fashion. He accused the administration of distorting intelligence and pursuing an ideological agenda in building the case for war.

"No president of the United States should employ misguided ideology and distortion of the truth to take the nation to war," he said. "In doing so, the president broke the basic bond of trust between the government and the people. If Congress and the American people knew the whole truth, America would never have gone to war."

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) denounced the speech, calling it a "hateful attack against the commander in chief." He said Kennedy "insulted the president's patriotism, accused the Republican Party of treason, and resurrected the weak and indecisive foreign policy of Jimmy Carter and Michael Dukakis."

Kennedy referred approvingly to an assertion by former Treasury secretary Paul H. O'Neill in a new book that Bush began planning for war against Iraq shortly after taking office in 2001. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has denied the assertion, but Kennedy indicated he believes it, praising O'Neill's "integrity, intelligence and vision" and saying the book has "now revealed what many of us have long suspected."

Kennedy said "the steamroller of war was moving into high gear" by fall of 2002. "The administration insisted that Congress vote to authorize the war before it adjourned for the November elections. Why? Because the debate in Congress would distract attention from the troubled economy and the troubled effort to capture [al Qaeda leader Osama] bin Laden. The strategy was to focus on Iraq and do so in a way that would divide the Congress. And it worked."

Now, Kennedy said, "there is little doubt as well that the administration's plan to transfer sovereignty to the Iraqi people by this summer -- and the pressure to hold elections in Afghanistan at that time -- are intended to build momentum for the November elections in this country." The war, he said, "could well become one of the worst blunders in more than two centuries of American foreign policy."

[adjan jb]

Where is everybody gone ?

Today the Bear pit looks like the sloth den.

Where are Georgie-Porgie and SoCal gone ? Some fundraising event for the Smirking Chimp or the funeral of a soldier who chocked on a pretzel while in duty in Iraq?

[Georgie-Porgie]

adjan jb, please remember that those of us on the other side have to work for a living. We are not sniveling liberal College students living off our parent's largesse.

As far as Ted Kennedy calling the war a "political product" goes. He makes me want to vomit. Most of the Democratic candidates were in favor of the war, and they are the ones who are turning their backs on it simply to make Bush lose favor with the public, so that they have some chance in the upcoming election.

May they be seen as the phony, waffling liars that they are!

[Thaiquila]

As far as Ted Kennedy calling the war a "political product" goes. He makes me want to vomit. Most of the Democratic candidates were in favor of the war, and they are the ones who are turning their backs on it simply to make Bush lose favor with the public, so that they have some chance in the upcoming election.

May they be seen as the phony, waffling liars that they are!

Not exactly true Mister Georgie.

Howard Dean is on record as being against the war and against giving Bush the power to go to war against Iraq from the beginning.

You have a point for the other candidates. Which is why Howard Dean is probably going to win the nomination (even though it is questionable whether he is really the best candidate in the field).

As far as Teddy Kennedy making you sick. He makes a lot of people sick, but here he is again speaking what really sounds to be the truth. And someday when the US finally wakes up and fixes the broken health care system, Kennedy will be seen as the original lone prophet who has trumpeted this issue for decades. (As it is now, it is estimated that 50 Americans per day die because of not having health insurance.)

[plachon]

Georgie-porgie, pudding and pie,

bombed Iraq and made them die/cry (your choice),

when the truth came out to stay,

Georgie-porgie, ran away.

We can at least but hope, eh?

[adjan jb]

It seems that Georgie-Porgie has been suspended for 3 years !

According to me none of his posts was offensive. I don't think he deserves such a ban.

GP and I never agree on anything but It is what makes the bear pit a lively place.

Please administrators Bring Georgie-Porgie back.