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Hello,

I know there are many many forums posted on this subject, however, I am hoping some people experienced in this area may be able to analyze our situation, and hopefully provide us with some feedback before we submit the application on Monday :)

So, my girlfriend and I met about 5 months ago, and since then I have travelled back to Thailand for another month, at which time we travelled to HK and Korea. Now, she is looking to get a TR visa to Canada in order to meet my family, as my dad has cancer and is incapable of travelling overseas for now and possibly the rest of his life. It's important to her, my parents and myself if she were to meet them, as I have met her family and we are quite serious.

Our backgrounds: She is turning 26 I am 24, we are both from good families (her dad is a dentist, mine is a doctor, her mother is a teacher). Both her and I have very good careers. Currently, she has 200k+ baht in the bank, all my equity is in my home, although my bank statements show strong cash flow and the ability to support her here while on vacation, as well as cover her ticket. Also, she has travelled to the United States.

For her application, we have: A letter from her expressing her interest to come to Canada to meet my parents and see the culture here, a letter of invitation from me (with all required info from the CIC site) pledging full legal responsibility for her while she is here and stating that I will cover all expenses incurred with her visit including the purchase of health insurance through Manulife, a letter of invitation from my parents supporting my father's health claim and also pledging to cover all costs incurred with her travel if something were to happen to me, letters of support from both of her parents saying they have met and approved of me, as well as support her decision to temporarily visit Canada and will support her needs while here (and look forward to seeing her return :P), her application and all required supporting documents from everyone (passports, financial statements, proof of ownership for my home, income tax statemetns, proof of travel together, photo's, my dad's medical license... basically everything required by CIC for all parties and more), a letter from her employer authorizing her to take the time off to come visit me (by name) and confirming her income and length of employment(since 2009), confirmation of the insurance, confirmation of the flight round trip to Canada, phone bills, and lastly, a detailed itinerary covering the moment I pick her up at the airport until I drop off for her return flight.

For anyone that has gone through this process before, do you think we stand a chance? Are there any documents we are missing?

I guess our main concern was trying to prove the best we could that she would return to Thailand at the end of her trip. With that i mind, I guess they may just see that she was invited by someone who is in a relationship with her, and does not live or work in Thailand, and may just decline it without reading any further. Unfortunately, this is the reality we live in...

At the end of the day, I guess it doesn't matter what her parents, my parents or I say, it comes down to what they think of her.

Also, I forgot to mention, she was declined in 2006 because she didn't submit all of the required documents. Will this make it impossible?

Many thanks in advance!!!!!!! And hell, if this doesn't work, on to plan B :D

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The main thing immigration is looking for, as you know, is that she will return to Thailand. The letter from her employer is definately helpful, but won't guarantee it. Does she have property/house/car, etc in her name? The fact that she has travelled and returned in the past is also helpful - especially to the United States. I've helped friend's with successful visa applications to Canada in the past with far less backing than she seems to have, so I believe her outlook is good! But again, a land deed or house title will help a lot.

Good Luck! :)

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The only thing you have going for you is the 'very good career' that she has: Can you enlighten us further (what, how long)? Canada assumes she is guilty until proven innocent (in terms of her returning to Thailand at the end of the trip). They do not care about sentimentality, they are looking for strong evidence of her ties to Thailand that make her want to return home. Family ties weigh very little. Financial ties have more weight if they are not liquid (ie Savings accounts will carry less weight then property or auto ownership. A long-term, good job is the major deciding factor for them.

The previous Visa rejection may harm your chances from what a Canadian Immigration specialist told me this year, he told me if you fail on your first attempt do not bother to re-apply.

I've had to marry my Thai partner for any chance to get him to Canada, and now have to wait 22 months for Singapore to decide our fate. Unfortunately we went about it the wrong way with failed visitor and education Visas all in a short span of time, the clerk at the Bangkok's Canada House even told us that our only option remaining, that guaranteed success if the financial (sponsor) and health and security checks (applicant) were passed, is marriage.

I've been lurking as a guest on this board for a while now, so I'm glad to finally be able to put my 2 cents worth.

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I just want thru the process with our Nanny, (my Thai wife adopted daughter) , and I supplied to the Canadian Embassy a letter of invitation stating the reason for her visit and that you would cover all of her expenses, a letter of employment with pay stubs for the last 10 months, and I put 100,000 Baht in her Thai Bank account. You should supply them with the listed items as well as a letter from her work stating that she is employed there and for how long and what dates that she was be away on vacation. If she owns any land or other propery take those papers with her. Right now they are looking for enough money in the bank (100,000 Baht min) a reason to come back to Thailand. But since you have only know her for 5 months it might be a little more difficult.

After reading your post again sounds like you have everything you need, but I do suggest that you get her a return airline tickets with the dates that you want to go to Canada. Also I would state in your letter of invitation that she applied once before and was refused a TR visa because she didn't have enough income. Here is a sample a a letter of invitation that I wrote.

October 10th, 2011

Canadian Embassy

Consular Section

15th Floor, Abdulrahim Place

990 Rama IV Road

Bangrak, Bangkok 10500

Thailand

To whom it may Concern:

I, __________________________ would like to invite my wife’s, __________ (Thai Passport number _________), Step-Daughter, Ms. _______________________________ (Thai Passport number___________) to Canada from December 16th to December 29th , 2011with myself and her step-mother. I have known Ms. ________________ since January, 2002; I have made numerous trips to Thailand and have spent extensive time there conducting business for ________________., before moving and purchasing a condominium in January, 2010. During an extended visit in January 2002, I met Ms. _____________________.

I would like to request the assistance of the Canadian Embassy in granting Ms.__________________________, a Canadian Temporary Resident Visa. While in Canada she will have 4,000 dollars of her own funds, as well I will cover all of her expenses. Futhermore, I will be returning to Thailand with her.

Attached is an Application for Temporary Resident Visa, as well as my house registration papers. If you require any additional information, please do not hesitate to contact me by phone in Bangkok at +08x xxx xxxx.

Yours truly,

We went to the Embassy last Monday and told us to come back tomorrow to pick up the passport. I wish the best to you and your girlfriend.

Encls.

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Getting into Canada is a matter of being either very rich (with a million dollars in the bank to buy a grocery store in Saskatchewan where you may employ at least one Canadian and thus reduce the unemployment rate) or very poor, but preferably young, strong, and coming from Bangladesh,and joining your brother/sister/cousin etc etc in Vancouver where you will be an agricultural labourer for a while until .....etc etc

Your incredible amount of detail should do the trick. If you are in Bkk when she is making the application it would be strongly advisable to visit the Embassy with her for the interview (nearly always conducted by a Thai pooying who is more papist than the Pope, more Canadian than John A. Macdonald.) These pooying are trying to ferret out information as to whether the applicant is likely to ...erm...stay over in Vancouver longer than permitted.

I agree with those who have said money in the bank is v important (your 200k should be enough, but more would not do any harm) and a letter from her present employer assuring Canada that this person is needed back at her Thai desk haste post haste. A slight cloud on your horizon is the brevity of your relationship, but that again will depend on how the pooying is feeling that morning.

I also agree with the person who said it would be better to be upfront about declaring the 2006 refusal. You tell them, before they find out for themselves. Is better.

Yes, in the end, the least bothersome way to get her into the True North Strong and Free is to marry her. And even that, as you will have read, can take half a lifetime.

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You cannot easily compare sponsoring your spouse's adopted daughter as a nanny and sponsoring a GF for a short visit.

The Bangkok office is very strict about what they are looking for as proof the Thai national will return home. They want documentation, and make sure the important stuff (land ownership, work letter) is translated into English. In my case we never got to an interview phase in any of our varied attempts to get a temporary residence Visa.

Don't be tempted to try those Visa shops. Although we used a shop on one of our failed attempts, and the information they provided us was useful, they are merely expensive paper pushers with no sway at Canada House in Bangkok. I've learned my lesson and with this current spousal sponsorship application, I'm taking no chances and am using a respected immigration lawyer in Toronto.

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I've had to marry my Thai partner for any chance to get him to Canada, and now have to wait 22 months for Singapore to decide our fate.

I agree marriage is an easy and quick route, but why 22 months? Did they tell you that?

In applying through Singapore (as opposed to inside Canada) We had to wait only 4 months (from my initial application for sponsorship until his approval for permanent residence).

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I'd say that you have done everything possible, and have a good chance. I've taken Ms. Bino home several times, and by having all of the paperwork, letters from family at home, bank and job references, etc. we have never been refused.

The big difference though is that I live here in Thailand, she is always traveling with me, and we are both returning to our respective jobs here in Thailand. I know it is more difficult when applying for the woman to travel alone to meet you in Canada. The above mentioned pooyings at Canadian Embassy will take a dim view, especially if your GF is prettier than any / all of them.

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I've had to marry my Thai partner for any chance to get him to Canada, and now have to wait 22 months for Singapore to decide our fate.

I agree marriage is an easy and quick route, but why 22 months? Did they tell you that?

In applying through Singapore (as opposed to inside Canada) We had to wait only 4 months (from my initial application for sponsorship until his approval for permanent residence).

When I retained the services of my lawyer 3 months ago he checked the gov't website for the current wait period for the Sponsorship application process in Singapore (nearest Canada's Visa office HQ for Asia), he was astonished to see a 22 month average wait period for acceptance/rejection. Unfortunately BKK does not deal with sponsorship, where the average wait time for a Visa is 2 days. FML

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My 5 cents worth - I'm in the process of applying for a Work Permit for Canada along with my wifes TRV but as i'm a Brit we flew to the UK. We are now in the 12th week of the process and have no idea when we will be successful as the Embassy will not commence any dialogue (it was over 7 weeks before we received a file number - that was when we were asked to take a medical).

Although i could go back to work at my job outside of the UK, my wife is stuck in the UK, and fortunately she has a sister to stay with otherwise we'd be paying for a rather lengthy hotel stay.

Bear in mind i already underwent a 6-8week process to obtain a positive Labour Market Opinion prior to making my application - it really seems like they (Canada) do not want people to visit their country...

Had we done my WP then apply in Bkk for her TRV it would be at least 4months more on the process.

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I've had to marry my Thai partner for any chance to get him to Canada, and now have to wait 22 months for Singapore to decide our fate.

I agree marriage is an easy and quick route, but why 22 months? Did they tell you that?

In applying through Singapore (as opposed to inside Canada) We had to wait only 4 months (from my initial application for sponsorship until his approval for permanent residence).

When I retained the services of my lawyer 3 months ago he checked the gov't website for the current wait period for the Sponsorship application process in Singapore (nearest Canada's Visa office HQ for Asia), he was astonished to see a 22 month average wait period for acceptance/rejection. Unfortunately BKK does not deal with sponsorship, where the average wait time for a Visa is 2 days. FML

I do not know what Canada has against Thai people visiting, there's only a few thousand in the country at any given time. It may have to do with what has happened in the past with previous waves of immigrants... you let a few in, those few bring in their extended families, extended families become communities with voting power, protectionism develops for allowing your own 'kind' continued access to Canada's opportunities while wanting to exclude new immigrants access to Canada.

Based on Canada's current immigration policy, Thailand needs a humanitarian crisis for the gates to open, as is the current situation with the waves of Somalis and Ethiopians we're currently receiving.

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Just did this and we are in Canada as I type. To be sure of visa, sponsor her from inside Canada. You apply for perm. immigration, submit paper work here, 30 day (approx) wait. You get sponsor papers, the rest off to Sing. Now you can get visa for a visit. DO NOT buy tickets not needed. When you marry you would want to do all this any how.

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Newbie,

All very good information posted by people in the forum Newbie. You have a good chance. Your gf's most important documents are (1) letter from employer granting leave, (2) her Bank Account and (3) include a car registration or land title, if she has one. Big negative is the prior decline.

All the info on you and your family is okay....but the deciding factor is whether the Immigration Officer thinks your gf will return from Canada after 3 weeks. Canada doesn't allow you to post an exit "bond" like Singapore does and as it signed the UN treaty on treatment of refugees, once a foreigner get's on Canadian soil, they can try and claim refugee status, no matter what you, the person who invited them, thinks. That's the reality.

It is easier to get a U.S. tourist visa right now than a Canadian one. I have Thai friends who were turned down for a Canadian TR visa, so they visited USA. In your case, if Canada turns you down, maybe your gf should plan a visit to Thai Town in L.A.!. Especially if she has a relative in the USA, this should be easier to arrange than visiting Canada. At least then she can fly to a border City in USA, close to where you family lives, and meet your parents.

One item not covered in the posts above, and might be helpful to those saying "uncle", rolling the dice and marrying their gf to get a Permanent Resident Visa, is the power of the Sponsorship Approval letter (approving the Canadian as the sponsor of the spouse) you get after about 2 months from CIC's office in Mississauga. Even though the application then goes off to Singapore to sit in a pile of PR applications for months, you can take that Sponsorship Letter and use it to help get a TR visa from Bangkok.

I've seen that work in two cases. Both were turned down by Bangkok for a TR when they were gf's. With a Sponsorship Approval letter in their TR package, Bangkok approves a TR visa for the wife in 2 days. So the wife can travel to Canada on a TR and wait, wait, wait for Singapore to finally start working on their PR application.

Good luck!

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My 5 cents worth - I'm in the process of applying for a Work Permit for Canada along with my wifes TRV but as i'm a Brit we flew to the UK. We are now in the 12th week of the process and have no idea when we will be successful as the Embassy will not commence any dialogue (it was over 7 weeks before we received a file number - that was when we were asked to take a medical).

Although i could go back to work at my job outside of the UK, my wife is stuck in the UK, and fortunately she has a sister to stay with otherwise we'd be paying for a rather lengthy hotel stay.

Bear in mind i already underwent a 6-8week process to obtain a positive Labour Market Opinion prior to making my application - it really seems like they (Canada) do not want people to visit their country...

Had we done my WP then apply in Bkk for her TRV it would be at least 4months more on the process.

Hi . I' am a canadian and just read your post.It's not that canada don't want people to visit our country.It's the fault of most of the immigrant's from the caribbean who have immigrated to canada,then have some relatives come for a visit and then try their best to have them remain in the country .I should add also other immigrant's also do this).They cause lot's of problems for our immigration worker's and even hire those immigration lawyers to help them.What they are infact doing is jumping the que and trying to stay in the country by circumventing the proper procedures.Therefore,when someone who is honest about having a visitor come to visit and has all the intentions of following the rules it makes thing's difficult for them.I know your cade is different but it creates a domino effect in all aspects of the process.Anyway,have patience as you are going to the best country in the world.Good luck and you have made a good choice.

Footnote,also,many sponsor their relatives,show all necessary requirements then after a few month's of their arrival they say they cannot afford sponsorship any longer.So,the system has to take care of them at tax payers expense.

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My 5 cents worth - I'm in the process of applying for a Work Permit for Canada along with my wifes TRV but as i'm a Brit we flew to the UK. We are now in the 12th week of the process and have no idea when we will be successful as the Embassy will not commence any dialogue (it was over 7 weeks before we received a file number - that was when we were asked to take a medical).

Although i could go back to work at my job outside of the UK, my wife is stuck in the UK, and fortunately she has a sister to stay with otherwise we'd be paying for a rather lengthy hotel stay.

Bear in mind i already underwent a 6-8week process to obtain a positive Labour Market Opinion prior to making my application - it really seems like they (Canada) do not want people to visit their country...

Had we done my WP then apply in Bkk for her TRV it would be at least 4months more on the process.

Hi . I' am a canadian and just read your post.It's not that canada don't want people to visit our country.It's the fault of most of the immigrant's from the caribbean who have immigrated to canada,then have some relatives come for a visit and then try their best to have them remain in the country .I should add also other immigrant's also do this).They cause lot's of problems for our immigration worker's and even hire those immigration lawyers to help them.What they are infact doing is jumping the que and trying to stay in the country by circumventing the proper procedures.Therefore,when someone who is honest about having a visitor come to visit and has all the intentions of following the rules it makes thing's difficult for them.I know your cade is different but it creates a domino effect in all aspects of the process.Anyway,have patience as you are going to the best country in the world.Good luck and you have made a good choice.

Footnote,also,many sponsor their relatives,show all necessary requirements then after a few month's of their arrival they say they cannot afford sponsorship any longer.So,the system has to take care of them at tax payers expense.

Agreed...allowing the Jamaicans into Canada was the biggest blunder in Canada's immigration history. I'm sure Brits who read this can concur, as I myself lived in London for 3 years.

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Just did this and we are in Canada as I type. To be sure of visa, sponsor her from inside Canada. You apply for perm. immigration, submit paper work here, 30 day (approx) wait. You get sponsor papers, the rest off to Sing. Now you can get visa for a visit. DO NOT buy tickets not needed. When you marry you would want to do all this any how.

My application was sent off by my lawyer about 2 weeks ago so this revelation about the sponsor papers being a ticket to Canada seems too good to be true. When you fill in the TR Visa form and enter the return date you put 'hopefully never'?

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Thanks everyone for the feedback! She submitted the application on Monday and they told her to come back this coming Tuesday... so hopefully I will have good news then, and the ability to provide helpful advice for the next person who comes along!

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Just did this and we are in Canada as I type. To be sure of visa, sponsor her from inside Canada. You apply for perm. immigration, submit paper work here, 30 day (approx) wait. You get sponsor papers, the rest off to Sing. Now you can get visa for a visit. DO NOT buy tickets not needed. When you marry you would want to do all this any how.

My application was sent off by my lawyer about 2 weeks ago so this revelation about the sponsor papers being a ticket to Canada seems too good to be true. When you fill in the TR Visa form and enter the return date you put 'hopefully never'?

Well we actually had a return date (winter in Canada/winter in Thailand? Gee what do I do?? HaHa). But in reality, yes, she could apply for Temp visa extentions all she wants as she is waiting for final approval of Perm visa. Now that can be refused if immig has concerns I would think. But remember, they are on sponsorship, cost is all on your hook, not the governments. When the wife packed for the trip, you would have sworn she was going forever HaHa.

Check the website for sponsorship, the wait time when I sent in was 32 days, but I have seen it change to as much as 45 days.

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Footnote,also,many sponsor their relatives,show all necessary requirements then after a few month's of their arrival they say they cannot afford sponsorship any longer.So,the system has to take care of them at tax payers expense.

When you sign the sponsorship agreement, you agree to pay back any money the sponsoree has aquired through social assistance, so it's not costing the tax payers anything. Except I suppose the time it's taken the paperwork to be done - in which case I'd also bill Tim Hortons for a greater portion of time wasted on the tax payers $ :D (this being said from an ex-government employee ;) )

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Hello Everyone!

I am really sorry to bump this back to the top! After the previously failed attempt, we have moved on and would like to try this again, I was hoping for some more advice, as I found the previous responses very useful, but now there has been a change to the situation.

At the present time, we are currently waiting on the sponsorship approval component for my wife's PR application. I haven't seen her in 5 months, and she is planning on applying for a TRV in April so that the interview process will coincide with my next visit. I do not want her to have to go through that alone again sad.gif. We are really hoping to have it work out this time, as she has yet to meet my family, and we would like to spend a month together before she goes to Australia (with a multiple entry and work permit) to wait out this PR process. It would be preferred that she stay here, however, if that isn't in the cards, at least we have a back up plan for the time being.

My questions for the wonderful forum members are:

1. Will my sponsorship approval help or hinder her TRV application? There are so many conflicting stories that my head is spinning. I know that this particular visa office is erratic in their decision making process (at best). For what it's worth, with the sweet sweet time that CIC is currently taking to go through the January 2012 applicants, I may not even know one way or another by mid-April! All we have right now is a receipt number, not even an AOR (the package was received by CIC on January 19th embarrassed.gif ).

2. How should we structure the application? Previously (before we were married), we had all the proof of her international travels, proof of our relationship (travelling together, phone calls, skype, etc), bank statements showing her financially flush even by Canadian standards, a letter from her employer, my employer confirming salary, my T4 and monthly tax stubs, my bank statements, a letter of invitation from me accepting full responsibility and financial support (great career), proof of my home ownership, a detailed itinerary of her stay, letters of support from her family saying she needed to come back, letter of invitation from my family also accepting full responsibility and financial support in case something were to render me incapable (death, disability), ID documents from all parties, and possibly numerous other documents that would support her application. It was met with a big fat denial. Seeing as this time we are married, how should I structure this application? I thought she had a solid case last time, but alas it was not. The only thing I could think of her not having is a kid which she would leave behind and/or property ownership to prove her return. Would her OZ Visa help the case, along with a simple "does it make any sense that I would overstay in freezing cold Canada and ruin the chance to be with my husband all to be an illegal immigrant with no friends and family when I can easily go to OZ and earn better income in a field of employment relevant to my University Degree while waiting for my permanent residency approval?" undecided.gif.

I'm really sorry if I'm sounding like a broken record, it's just that this process is driving me crazy!

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1. Will my sponsorship approval help or hinder her TRV application? There are so many conflicting stories that my head is spinning. I know that this particular visa office is erratic in their decision making process (at best). For what it's worth, with the sweet sweet time that CIC is currently taking to go through the January 2012 applicants, I may not even know one way or another by mid-April! All we have right now is a receipt number, not even an AOR (the package was received by CIC on January 19th embarrassed.gif ).

55 days processing for your sponsorship approval. 22 months for your wife's application to be approved. You're in for a long wait. Her PR application doesn't help nor hinder her TRV. Completely separate application process, just make sure you mention that she's applied for PR.

2. How should we structure the application? Previously (before we were married), we had all the proof of her international travels, proof of our relationship (travelling together, phone calls, skype, etc), bank statements showing her financially flush even by Canadian standards, a letter from her employer, my employer confirming salary, my T4 and monthly tax stubs, my bank statements, a letter of invitation from me accepting full responsibility and financial support (great career), proof of my home ownership, a detailed itinerary of her stay, letters of support from her family saying she needed to come back, letter of invitation from my family also accepting full responsibility and financial support in case something were to render me incapable (death, disability), ID documents from all parties, and possibly numerous other documents that would support her application. It was met with a big fat denial. Seeing as this time we are married, how should I structure this application? I thought she had a solid case last time, but alas it was not. The only thing I could think of her not having is a kid which she would leave behind and/or property ownership to prove her return. Would her OZ Visa help the case, along with a simple "does it make any sense that I would overstay in freezing cold Canada and ruin the chance to be with my husband all to be an illegal immigrant with no friends and family when I can easily go to OZ and earn better income in a field of employment relevant to my University Degree while waiting for my permanent residency approval?" undecided.gif.

What were the specific reasons for denial last time? An OZ visa would help is she's never travelled outside Thailand before.

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How much does it help to have a 10-year B1/B2 visa to the US in your passport, as well as stamps showing multiple short visits to the US over several years? Significantly, I'd assume?

Yes, significantly for a TRV.

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Hi Regine, and thank you for your response.

We are currently awaiting the sponsorship results. We applied mid-January and have not heard anything. This isn't out of the ordinary right now, as many people on the canadavisa web board are experiencing the same situation as January applicants. The website has been saying "55 days, working on applications from January 25, 2012" for one month now. The reason I asked, is because wouldn't this prove that in the long run she will not be leaving Canada? We mentioned the PR is in progress, and she will be applying with "Dual Intent"

Her specific reasons for denial last time were 1)not enough travel experience (she has been to HK and Korea with me, and the United States on her own to work (did not work illegally or overstay her visa)... somewhat of a catch 22, isn't it? Not enough travel experience, which is debatable, yet they won't allow her to travel?); and 2) The lady did not feel we had known each other long enough. Basically, her response was not "you are not fit to go to Canada", it was "you are not ready". She received her OZ visa in November and has not travelled there yet, nor is travelling there before the 9th of April an option.

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**Oh and coming to visit her future spouses father who is dying of cancer and cannot go to Thailand isn't a valid reason to go to Canada. huh.png . that was her third reason.

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2) The lady did not feel we had known each other long enough. Basically, her response was not "you are not fit to go to Canada", it was "you are not ready". She received her OZ visa in November and has not travelled there yet, nor is travelling there before the 9th of April an option.

As of today, it appears that you've known your wife for less than a year? And you last saw her in November? So you met and got married within 6 months? (and you first applied for her TRV when you weren't married? You must have only known her for couple of months then) That is quite fast. I can see where CIC is coming from. (That being said, they do except nikahs via phone sometimes)

Hopefully her OZ visa will help, but it looks like your relationship itself may be the issue.

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