Shady Dealings Set The Stage For Another Crisis: Thai Opinion

[waterdog]

The Clintons and the Shinawatras are all members of the .1% and therefore natural allies.

Yep, and let's not forget the very sympathetic coverage of the red occupation and activities last year by the world's corporate media. They are largely a mouthpiece for the 1%.

This shift to militarization and emphasis on Asia will probably turn out to be not such good news for Asia if other areas where they've become similarly involved are an example.

[Raphaeleh]

Here it is. Comments at the bottom are interesting.

Listening to the tone of the conference (Clinton mainly) as well as other events, that the US is stressing these airports , U-Tapao and Don Muang as "staging" areas. That's a big concern. It raises the question of whether the US feels that Thailand is very vulnerable and helpless to correct itself and stand on its own. Why would the US focus two airports as "staging?" There must be more than aid and support for flood victims. Could be China, could be a plan to clean up the drug trade. Obama is not likely to be around for much longer after next year, but Clinton could be if she announces her candidacy.

The "staging" will mean more military presence and troops. A coming boom for the Thai "entertainment" trade and crooks that siphon off that money. It's a proven formula. It worked to establish Thailand as the world's house of ill repute. Why not repeat the proven success formula. Clinton even made a reference to "bringing back the tourists" to see all those beautiful sights. She knows very well, she is married to a "tourist."

This is spot on. Although the present Thai government struggles to keep its footing, it is Thailand only choice if we are to move forward, albeit slowly. A return of Thaksin to Thailand, would be nothing short of catastrophic. This could quite easily turn into full blown civil war, globally devastating to Thailand, politically, financially, culturally.... This would be a quantum leap in the wrong direction, for all those who reside here in Thailand. Sorry could not help it, Quote about " Hillary Clinton " she knows very well, she is married to a tourist, LMAO

[animatic]

The Nation have found another conspiracy theory, what a surprise. To link the visits of Ban Ke Moon and Hillary Clinton with an amnesty for Taskin makes no sense.

Thai media just needs to spell out the facts. Governments the world over have granted amnesties to ex PM's/Presidents. I'm reminded of the amnesty bestowed on Richard Nixon by Gerald Ford as one example.

Funny example. The pardon of Nixon was very unpopular (not to mention outrageous and despicable) and is credited as the reason Ford was never able to be elected president, even once.

Very much agreed.

Nixon's pardon justifiably received wide-spread condemnation, ridicule, and outrage resulting in long-lasting negative repercussions for the country. It was justified only by a pitiful handful of his most extreme supporters.

say... that's quite a bit like Thaksin's pardon in some regards, afterall.

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Agreed. Ford was a political pariah after that.

[animatic]

Just what we need - a political disaster on top of a natural disaster. That'll help the country no end. Fantastic. Thanks PTP.

We already had it. This was planned from long before election day.

In fact setting the stage for this is part of what caused the flood to be unobserved till it burst on their consiousnesses full blown. Now they found a few moments to jigger up a move for the original project before it can time out in 3 weeks, and 'raisin d'etre' of PTP and for taking power; the return of the Liege Lord.

This will be much, MUCH, more of a distraction and disruption of the flood relief than the impending impeachment and censure will be.

[OzMick]

I think some Government ought to put all these armchair experts to work saving the world.

We are only interested in Thailand, and I'm afraid my services are not available to the current government. I prefer not to consort with thieves and criminals, and I am not prepared to kiss any Shinawatra ( _* ).

[Skywalker69]

Not sure how much of the part of the US-Thailand deal is true, but I was rather surprised at the vehemence of the support Clinton showed for Shinawatra. I had expected more emphasis on support for Thailand in general rather than the regime in particular. So could be something to the theory.

I don't see her comments as specifically directed at support for Yingluck or Thaksin. She didn't come out and say, "We support the current administration"... she identified the American support in terms of the nation,

"We want our alliances to be nimble and adaptive so they can continue to deliver results," she said.

She's voicing support for whoever is in charge of Thailand so that the US can re-strengthen its presence in Asia.

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She is not voicing support for this Government because she knows it wont be in power for long!

[galoubet]

Shinawatra is Thailand

Thailand is Shinawatra

Same same.

Is that you Thaksin? Hello?

[khaowong1]

Bill will love Thailand. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!" was an obfuscation based on his personal view of what "sexual relations" included.

OTOH, woman is a pretty well defined word, in the US at least. In Thailand........................

Ha ha ha. This made me snort out a mouth full of mama. :-)

[nong38]

1. It seems that most of the contributurs on the forum are not exactly fans of this Thaksin character.

2. The timing of this is awful ( Amnesty ).

3 He seems to be a very divisive person, you either love him or hate him.

4. If it all goes through, there is going to be riot one way or another.

5. If her comes back how long for, a lot people dont like him,so how much dont you like him? How does 10,000bts sound?

[galoubet]

1. It seems that most of the contributurs on the forum are not exactly fans of this Thaksin character.

He's a Marmite sort of guy

[cloudhopper]

The Nation have found another conspiracy theory, what a surprise. To link the visits of Ban Ke Moon and Hillary Clinton with an amnesty for Taskin makes no sense.

Thai media just needs to spell out the facts. Governments the world over have granted amnesties to ex PM's/Presidents. I'm reminded of the amnesty bestowed on Richard Nixon by Gerald Ford as one example.

Funny example. The pardon of Nixon was very unpopular (not to mention outrageous and despicable) and is credited as the reason Ford was never able to be elected president, even once.

Very much agreed.

Nixon's pardon justifiably received wide-spread condemnation, ridicule, and outrage resulting in long-lasting negative repercussions for the country. It was justified only by a pitiful handful of his most extreme supporters.

say... that's quite a bit like Thaksin's pardon in some regards, afterall.

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Agreed. Ford was a political pariah after that.

The fact that president Clinton pardoned fugitive Marc Rich on his last night in office doesn't seem to have made him much of a pariah. Instead it secured the Clintons a place in the kleptocracy.

[animatic]

1. It seems that most of the contributors on the forum are not exactly fans of this Thaksin character.

2. The timing of this is awful ( Amnesty ).

3 He seems to be a very divisive person, you either love him or hate him.

4. If it all goes through, there is going to be riot one way or another.

5. If he comes back how long for, a lot people dont like him, so how much dont you like him? How does 10,000bts sound?

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How long? iIt's the question of the day.

A 1,000 Shinawatra Dynasty with Thaksin as founder must be his basic dream.

100 year multi-generational rule would be the short term chinese family goal.

Managing another 10-20 years in absolute control must be the personal dream.

While grooming the new husband of competent daughter #1 as successor,

if #1 sion Oak proves useless.

Or he could be gone or in the grave by next spring.

[animatic]

'Morgo' timestamp='1321585750' post='4854776'

The Nation have found another conspiracy theory, what a surprise. To link the visits of Ban Ke Moon and Hillary Clinton with an amnesty for Taskin makes no sense.

Thai media just needs to spell out the facts. Governments the world over have granted amnesties to ex PM's/Presidents. I'm reminded of the amnesty bestowed on Richard Nixon by Gerald Ford as one example.

Funny example. The pardon of Nixon was very unpopular (not to mention outrageous and despicable) and is credited as the reason Ford was never able to be elected president, even once.

Very much agreed.

Nixon's pardon justifiably received wide-spread condemnation, ridicule, and outrage resulting in long-lasting negative repercussions for the country. It was justified only by a pitiful handful of his most extreme supporters.

say... that's quite a bit like Thaksin's pardon in some regards, afterall.

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Agreed. Ford was a political pariah after that.

The fact that president Clinton pardoned fugitive Marc Rich on his last night in office doesn't seem to have made him much of a pariah. Instead it secured the Clintons a place in the kleptocracy.

Clinton acknowledged he was not fully aware of what Rich was about when he signed. Seems Rich had bought the affections of someone on the way out on Clintons staff. Clinton was sandbagged by exiting staff with nothing to lose, but a BIG PAYDAY if he pulled it off.

Clinton was not pleased with the incident.

He also wasn't close to being castigated like Ford was for Nixon.

Edited November 18, 2011 by animatic

[spud1]

Why is it that nearly every thread I read on TV,there's always a yank comparing the subject with the USA.Who gives a toss.

[nong38]

Why is it that nearly every thread I read on TV,there's always a yank comparing the subject with the USA.Who gives a toss.

Richard Nixon and Thaksin Shinup a drainpipe------- are they the same person? Have you ever seen them on tv/ newspaper together?

Read my lips.............Its amazing what plastic surgeons can do today

See if David Frost turns up soon.

[animatic]

Why is it that nearly every thread I read on TV,there's always a yank comparing the subject with the USA. Who gives a toss.

Why is there is always some ill-informed non-American punter coming to an under-informed wrong conclusion about incidents in American, that basically calls for someone who knows the incidents being misrepresented to correct them. It's easy, having lived in Europe, to believe the press there doesn't see and write about American happenings with a unbiased eye, but then these euro-pundits misinterpretations wander along for decades, and finally get spouted up as if factual in TVF forums comparing them to Thailand in all their misinformed vituperativeness and self-righteousness.

[goldmonky]

Bill will love Thailand. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!" was an obfuscation based on his personal view of what "sexual relations" included.

OTOH, woman is a pretty well defined word, in the US at least. In Thailand........................

I think he forgot what the word "is" was all about as well. "a president who once argued it depends on what the definition of 'is' is" -- a reference to Clinton's semantic defense of himself during an August 17, 1998,deposition relating to the Lewinsky affair..."

But all in all a fairly harmless president. Just fixated on all things Presidential, like the Oval orifice. Is this off topic?

Since when has the pursuit of sex ever been off topic on this board? It is why 90% of the posters are here.

Wow !!!! how nice it feels to be one of the minority.

[hyperdimension]

It was such a pressure to overcome the US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton!

[animatic]

She actually said "Covert Cooperations"...!!

[hyperdimension]

Is it normal to only allow two questions in a press conference? I wouldn't be surprised if they were pre-screened too. It seems for the first question, the reporter, as he was speaking, twisted his originally submitted question (about reconciliation) into what he really wanted to ask (pardon for Thaksin). Also, it was a surprise to hear Clinton immediately answer the question even though it was addressed to Yingluck. I think it's because Clinton knows Yingluck is incapable of pulling it off. I don't think Clinton expected Yingluck afterwards to actually make the attempt that she did, which was a shamefully embarrassing failure on different levels (but expected for those who have heard her answer questions candidly before). Clinton probably should have explicitly told Yingluck beforehand "during question time, let me do the talking".

Edited November 18, 2011 by hyperdimension

[SantiSuk]

"Singapore is already a US outpost".

[elektrified]

Here it is. Comments at the bottom are interesting.

Listening to the tone of the conference (Clinton mainly) as well as other events, that the US is stressing these airports , U-Tapao and Don Muang as "staging" areas. That's a big concern. It raises the question of whether the US feels that Thailand is very vulnerable and helpless to correct itself and stand on its own. Why would the US focus two airports as "staging?" There must be more than aid and support for flood victims. Could be China, could be a plan to clean up the drug trade. Obama is not likely to be around for much longer after next year, but Clinton could be if she announces her candidacy.

The "staging" will mean more military presence and troops. A coming boom for the Thai "entertainment" trade and crooks that siphon off that money. It's a proven formula. It worked to establish Thailand as the world's house of ill repute. Why not repeat the proven success formula. Clinton even made a reference to "bringing back the tourists" to see all those beautiful sights. She knows very well, she is married to a "tourist."

But he did not inhale or have "Sexual relations with that woman". It depends on the definition of tourist. As for the drug situation the Gov is currently battling a war in mexico and i would think that this would be too far away at this time. The China situation may certainly be in play. Apparently they have some fancy new ships that have caused a stir. Obama will be back! Not from successes but from the GOP candidates themselves. IMHO

China has only one new ship that is not so fancy. It's a 30+ year old Soviet area warship that has been retrofitted to become an aircraft carrier.

Edited November 18, 2011 by elektrified

[Buchholz]

1. It seems that most of the contributors on the forum are not exactly fans of this Thaksin character.

2. The timing of this is awful ( Amnesty ).

3 He seems to be a very divisive person, you either love him or hate him.

4. If it all goes through, there is going to be riot one way or another.

5. If he comes back how long for, a lot people dont like him, so how much dont you like him? How does 10,000bts sound?

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3√

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How long? iIt's the question of the day.

A 1,000 Shinawatra Dynasty with Thaksin as founder must be his basic dream.

100 year multi-generational rule would be the short term chinese family goal.

Managing another 10-20 years in absolute control must be the personal dream.

While grooming the new husband of competent daughter #1 as successor,

if #1 sion Oak proves useless.

Or he could be gone or in the grave by next spring.

You don't think Oak is presidential material?

Twitter public page for @oak_ptt

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[FOODLOVER]

Here it is. Comments at the bottom are interesting.

Listening to the tone of the conference (Clinton mainly) as well as other events, that the US is stressing these airports , U-Tapao and Don Muang as "staging" areas. That's a big concern. It raises the question of whether the US feels that Thailand is very vulnerable and helpless to correct itself and stand on its own. Why would the US focus two airports as "staging?" There must be more than aid and support for flood victims. Could be China, could be a plan to clean up the drug trade. Obama is not likely to be around for much longer after next year, but Clinton could be if she announces her candidacy.

The "staging" will mean more military presence and troops. A coming boom for the Thai "entertainment" trade and crooks that siphon off that money. It's a proven formula. It worked to establish Thailand as the world's house of ill repute. Why not repeat the proven success formula. Clinton even made a reference to "bringing back the tourists" to see all those beautiful sights. She knows very well, she is married to a "tourist."

But he did not inhale or have "Sexual relations with that woman". It depends on the definition of tourist. As for the drug situation the Gov is currently battling a war in mexico and i would think that this would be too far away at this time. The China situation may certainly be in play. Apparently they have some fancy new ships that have caused a stir. Obama will be back! Not from successes but from the GOP candidates themselves. IMHO

China has only one new ship that is not so fancy. It's a 30+ year old Soviet area warship that has been retrofitted to become an aircraft carrier.

"Taiwan plans to build a new "stealth" warship armed with guided missiles next year in response to China's naval build-up, military officers have said".

"An aircraft carrier group would potentially double the military threat posed to Taiwan by China by allowing the Chinese to approach from directions other than across the strait, experts warn".

I stand corrected. The ship is a refit but still causing some concern.

Edited November 18, 2011 by FOODLOVER

[ratcatcher]

1. It seems that most of the contributurs on the forum are not exactly fans of this Thaksin character.

He's a Marmite sort of guy

Yes he is.

[FOODLOVER]

1. It seems that most of the contributurs on the forum are not exactly fans of this Thaksin character.

He's a Marmite sort of guy

Yes he is.

Yeast infections are curable, he is not.

[MengWan]

It is unbelievable that a piece of national policy can be traded for personal support !

Thailand has no interest to be at odds with China, it should keep neutrality between the "last" super-power and the future ...

[animatic]

1. It seems that most of the contributors on the forum are not exactly fans of this Thaksin character.

2. The timing of this is awful ( Amnesty ).

3 He seems to be a very divisive person, you either love him or hate him.

4. If it all goes through, there is going to be riot one way or another.

5. If he comes back how long for, a lot people dont like him, so how much dont you like him? How does 10,000bts sound?

1√

2√

3√

4√

5√

How long? iIt's the question of the day.

A 1,000 Shinawatra Dynasty with Thaksin as founder must be his basic dream.

100 year multi-generational rule would be the short term chinese family goal.

Managing another 10-20 years in absolute control must be the personal dream.

While grooming the new husband of competent daughter #1 as successor,

if #1 sion Oak proves useless.

Or he could be gone or in the grave by next spring.

You don't think Oak is presidential material?

Twitter public page for @oak_ptt

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Monica maybe, never Bill.

[animatic]

1. It seems that most of the contributurs on the forum are not exactly fans of this Thaksin character.

He's a Marmite sort of guy

Yes he is.

Yeast infections are curable, he is not.

He is curable, but it will take steely determination and jettisoning of the moral compass for a few weeks.