Cyber Surveillance Vulnerable To Abuse: Thai Opinion

[fresnoboy]

can't trust thai law enforcement to properly enforce traffic laws, let alone cyber "crime".

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[fresnoboy]

So let me see here, to sit in a internet cafe near patpong and watch porno online is illegal.

And then you go out the door, take a left turn into the nearest gogo bar, pick up 5 hookers (illegal in Thailand) and take them to your hotel room for an all night sex orgy. hmmmm???

Sounds like a reasonable alternative

[peterpop]

Thailand is becoming more and more like China... Oh wait... who's in charge of the current government again? Oh that's right. THE CHINESE.

I agree with you, but China, that you mentioned, don't pretend to be a democratic Country at all ! They are red flagged (communists:somehow) and proud of it...And also don't collaborate with the other major world economy: USA. Also they completely don't give a .... of Human rights watch, and a pletoria of other civilized organisations and basics of all around the world. In a few words, they show you the color directly. And there's no misunderstandings : if you are there, you know very well and clearly where you step.

But here in this Country, what personally turns my blood warm is the "cynicism & hypocrisy" of the whole system. In fact the political life here is very similar as the very specific kind of tourism that uses to be the most welcomed and highly promoted in and outside the Country .......

But letting it be ILLEGAL, for some reason that will remain a mystery for a simple TOURIST. Expats we already know the song, isn't it guys ?

Your comments are incomprehensible. Go and learn English or publish in your own language.

[pastitche]

Thailand is becoming more and more like China... Oh wait... who's in charge of the current government again? Oh that's right. THE CHINESE.

I agree with you, but China, that you mentioned, don't pretend to be a democratic Country at all ! They are red flagged (communists:somehow) and proud of it...And also don't collaborate with the other major world economy: USA. Also they completely don't give a .... of Human rights watch, and a pletoria of other civilized organisations and basics of all around the world. In a few words, they show you the color directly. And there's no misunderstandings : if you are there, you know very well and clearly where you step.

But here in this Country, what personally turns my blood warm is the "cynicism & hypocrisy" of the whole system. In fact the political life here is very similar as the very specific kind of tourism that uses to be the most welcomed and highly promoted in and outside the Country .......

But letting it be ILLEGAL, for some reason that will remain a mystery for a simple TOURIST. Expats we already know the song, isn't it guys ?

Your comments are incomprehensible. Go and learn English or publish in your own language.

I understood what he was saying. Your comment is arrogant and patronising; many of the posters here are not native English speakers but they have a point of view equally valid to yours

[jsflynn603]

The writing quality and English here is appalling. It is simply atrocious, and considering that it is "editorial" content from a major news publication it is just simply preposterous.

Actually the writing is quite excellent. Of course, if you look at it from a West-centric point of view you can poke plenty of holes in it, yet it's a superb example of a piece of writing written by a non-native speaker.

It has style, something that's missing in most writing these days. The Thai writer has put a lot of thought into this and it makes a native English speaker think--of course thinking takes energy, and some might find that difficult. Take for instance the writer's use of "meteoric," if the writer means "at a fast rate" indeed, it's a unique and appropriate wording. Was the intention better served by the word "exponential" in this case, well, I'm not sure, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Atrocious is when native English speakers talk about "there dog's balls over their," something I see all too often from America's uh....college graduates.

It might be wise to realize that like England, and Spain before that, and before that the Roman Empire, all empires fail and the great American Empire is, as we speak, falling not rising. As this occurs the entire world will become less and less West centric, it's as natural as the ebb and flow of tides.

I suggest that you look at it again, this time from the point of view, and the understanding that it was written by a non-native writer and you will gain some insight into how, and why we use English, and indeed, how difficult it can be for non-native speakers. Ask a few friends what the plural of money is and many will say: "money is plural," and I'll accept that, though in this case the word should have been monies. Take this sentence: "Shut-down websites and pages have reached several hundred thousands, which showed the lack of efficacy." Yes, it should be "show" instead of "showed," which gives one a bit of insight into how difficult English grammar is to master, after all "have reached" seems to imply a period in the past, therefore "showed" seems correct, though in reality "show" is the correct word to use.

So though I see your point, I'll respectfully disagree.

Editorial writing gives an opinion--this does, and it has heart and style. In is the opinion of a Thai writer who is proud to expound upon his or her opinion. I liked it and I'll give the writer an AA for it and I'll happily ignore trivial mistakes. It sure beats much of America's editorials, but then, almost all of America's media is controlled by the monetary elite, so though it is always grammatically correct, often it's simply a damned pack of lies.

Just something to think about...

[Heng]

If you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about. So what if some schmuck in some cubicle over at the MICT is laughing at you that you're sending Noi 'tuition' again for the 5th time this year? The greater good and all that.

[MILT]

The writing quality and English here is appalling. It is simply atrocious, and considering that it is "editorial" content from a major news publication it is just simply preposterous.

Actually the writing is quite excellent. Of course, if you look at it from a West-centric point of view you can poke plenty of holes in it, yet it's a superb example of a piece of writing written by a non-native speaker.

It has style, something that's missing in most writing these days. The Thai writer has put a lot of thought into this and it makes a native English speaker think--of course thinking takes energy, and some might find that difficult. Take for instance the writer's use of "meteoric," if the writer means "at a fast rate" indeed, it's a unique and appropriate wording. Was the intention better served by the word "exponential" in this case, well, I'm not sure, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Atrocious is when native English speakers talk about "there dog's balls over their," something I see all too often from America's uh....college graduates.

It might be wise to realize that like England, and Spain before that, and before that the Roman Empire, all empires fail and the great American Empire is, as we speak, falling not rising. As this occurs the entire world will become less and less West centric, it's as natural as the ebb and flow of tides.

I suggest that you look at it again, this time from the point of view, and the understanding that it was written by a non-native writer and you will gain some insight into how, and why we use English, and indeed, how difficult it can be for non-native speakers. Ask a few friends what the plural of money is and many will say: "money is plural," and I'll accept that, though in this case the word should have been monies. Take this sentence: "Shut-down websites and pages have reached several hundred thousands, which showed the lack of efficacy." Yes, it should be "show" instead of "showed," which gives one a bit of insight into how difficult English grammar is to master, after all "have reached" seems to imply a period in the past, therefore "showed" seems correct, though in reality "show" is the correct word to use.

So though I see your point, I'll respectfully disagree.

Editorial writing gives an opinion--this does, and it has heart and style. In is the opinion of a Thai writer who is proud to expound upon his or her opinion. I liked it and I'll give the writer an AA for it and I'll happily ignore trivial mistakes. It sure beats much of America's editorials, but then, almost all of America's media is controlled by the monetary elite, so though it is always grammatically correct, often it's simply a damned pack of lies.

Just something to think about...

jsflynn I too thought the article was spot on.

[Thai at Heart]

The writing quality and English here is appalling. It is simply atrocious, and considering that it is "editorial" content from a major news publication it is just simply preposterous.

The Nation is famous for its poor standard of English, apparently they got rid of native English proofreaders years ago. This level is about as good as it gets with Thais that haven't been educated overseas or in one of the few true "international schools" here.

But this takes the cake, I gotta find out more about this, only in Thailand!

> SMS massages

The funny thing is that this whole law is to protect precisely whom from what?

The powers that be from dissent they consider inappropriate of course.

I'd be very interested to know the percentage of the budget going into catching say traffickers in kiddie porn as opposed to people trying to tell unwelcome truths. . .

For a country that has gossip and the grapevine as part of the national culture, I would reckon that censoring the internet is virtually pointless in Thailand. It is even to a point that I would reckon that the population of Bangkok is more than half made up with people who aren't native to Bangkok. Word goes around the country in minutes without any need for the media anyway.

This doesn't protect or save anyone from dissent, someone with far more brains than politicians once said that the lese majeste laws don't save anyone from genuine criticism. All these attempts to stop people talking and discussing stuff will just make the inevitable explosion even bigger than it should be.

[noitom]

The writing quality and English here is appalling. It is simply atrocious, and considering that it is "editorial" content from a major news publication it is just simply preposterous.

Actually the writing is quite excellent. Of course, if you look at it from a West-centric point of view you can poke plenty of holes in it, yet it's a superb example of a piece of writing written by a non-native speaker.

It has style, something that's missing in most writing these days. The Thai writer has put a lot of thought into this and it makes a native English speaker think--of course thinking takes energy, and some might find that difficult. Take for instance the writer's use of "meteoric," if the writer means "at a fast rate" indeed, it's a unique and appropriate wording. Was the intention better served by the word "exponential" in this case, well, I'm not sure, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Atrocious is when native English speakers talk about "there dog's balls over their," something I see all too often from America's uh....college graduates.

It might be wise to realize that like England, and Spain before that, and before that the Roman Empire, all empires fail and the great American Empire is, as we speak, falling not rising. As this occurs the entire world will become less and less West centric, it's as natural as the ebb and flow of tides.

I suggest that you look at it again, this time from the point of view, and the understanding that it was written by a non-native writer and you will gain some insight into how, and why we use English, and indeed, how difficult it can be for non-native speakers. Ask a few friends what the plural of money is and many will say: "money is plural," and I'll accept that, though in this case the word should have been monies. Take this sentence: "Shut-down websites and pages have reached several hundred thousands, which showed the lack of efficacy." Yes, it should be "show" instead of "showed," which gives one a bit of insight into how difficult English grammar is to master, after all "have reached" seems to imply a period in the past, therefore "showed" seems correct, though in reality "show" is the correct word to use.

So though I see your point, I'll respectfully disagree.

Editorial writing gives an opinion--this does, and it has heart and style. In is the opinion of a Thai writer who is proud to expound upon his or her opinion. I liked it and I'll give the writer an AA for it and I'll happily ignore trivial mistakes. It sure beats much of America's editorials, but then, almost all of America's media is controlled by the monetary elite, so though it is always grammatically correct, often it's simply a damned pack of lies.

Just something to think about...

I did review the editorial piece again and found that it was difficult to read it for a second time. Your excusing away the "quality of writing and use of English" is inexcusable. You should first check a bio and note Harvard fellow, Oxford and Fullbright scholar, foreign correspondent and group editor for many years. In addition, you may want to consider just a few examples that you forgot to note in your patronizing compliment of the writer : - separated by commas -

1. the cybercrime units will be further boost with extra personnel, 2. In nutshell, 3. nothing is out of reach for interception orders, 4. Thanked to the ridiculous ways the Thai bureaucrats , 5. these money would obviously, 6. wire-tapping and telephone-tapping, which supposed to be use to track down, 7. Unless, something are done now with checks and balances , 8. It must be noted that there are web operators aboard with undesirable content who have closed affiliations with quite a few leading personalities, 9. of current government, court officials are readily to grant permissions as required by law, which could have reaching repercussion, 10. Only through them and their conservative methods are the ways to go., 11. Currently, overall capacity of officials who monitor Internet is extremely low, 12. have on overall learning capacity of the Thai people.

Too many more to note.

I don't know what his writing or my comments had to do with provoking your comments on the "lies in all American editorials" , but that had nothing to do with my point or his. If you have a problem with the content and POV in the LA Times, NY Times, or Washington Post, maybe you should take it up with them or their post forums. This is a post forum for commenting on Thai English news content and subject matter. Personally, I feel that press censorship is deplorable as did the majority of my students at Thammasat University when I was teaching Business Communication and Marketing there for years. My earlier post was centered on the idea that more effective professional editorial writing might enable more effective listening to the core thought thread resulting in more help for Thai readers, the majority of The Nation's readership, to improve their English skills.