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SAUDI CASE

Key witness located in Cambodia

THE NATION

Thailand has informed Saudi Arabia about the discovery of a key witness in the 1990 murder of a Saudi businessman who was connected to the oil-rich kingdom's royalty, a source said.

Foreign Minister Surapong Towichuk-chaikul recently informed Saudi Arabia's charge d'affaires to Thailand that the witness could be located in Cambodia, which was expected to help the case progress, according to the source.

Saudi businessman Muhammad al-Ruwaily disappeared in February 1990 and later was believed to be murdered. His murder angered Saudi Arabia and was a factor that led to its decision to sever diplomatic ties with Thailand.

Five policemen were arrested in connection with al-Ruwaily's murder. They were accused of abducting him as part of their investigation into separate murders of Saudi diplomats in 1989.

The source close to Surapong, who asked not to be named, said that the witness is a Thai national who had left Thailand for Cambodia.

According to the source, the foreign minister was trying to promote Thai-Saudi relations and expedite progress in the case in order to make Saudi Arabia happy.

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra plans to visit Saudi Arabia next year, the source added.

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-- The Nation 2011-12-23

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Great! Now we'll get to the bottom of who was really behind this. Also, no one is above the law. Can't wait to see the real culprits found and sentenced.

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The Thais are "turning up the heat" after 12 years. The TAT must be pressuring the police to "arrange" some sort of case closure. They need those Saudi tourist riyals. So they dug up a Thai in Cambodia that could serve as the key to breaking the case "to make the Saudis happy." Not a question of right or wrong, fair application of the law and justice for all, but financial opportunity and manipulation of the law.

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They have known all along who was behind the theft and murders. Thaksin must know. Maybe now it's convenient to reveal the truth. Perhaps Thaksin wants to make himself loved by the rural folks by "solving" the case and enabling them to get jobs in Saudi Arabia again. It's amazing how quickly they found the key witness ... almost as if they knew his address all this time.

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The position of Saudi Arabia is very simple, and well publicized. Give back the blue diamond, and things will return to normal........This diamond is sitting in a safe somewhere, yet is has cost Thai workers hundreds of millions of dollars in lost wages because they were all kicked out of Saudi Arabia after this affair. This case is a black eye for Thailand, and they would do well to bring it to a close. Before someone makes a movie out of this case, and makes Thailand lose whatever face it has left.....

Come to think of it, this could be a great move for Thaksin !!!! He comes back here, and a week later the blue diamond suddenly turns up in an unmarked box at a police station addressed to Thaksin. He then returns it to the Saudis. Then 50,000 Thai workers suddenly have high paying jobs in Saudi.

Thailand-------win

Thaksin--------win

Isan workers-- win

The most absurd part of this whole case is that the diamond has a value of perhaps 15 million dollars. Yet the lost wages caused by the continued holding of this diamond is many many many times that amount. What a sad way to fart on the Isan workers that were all sent back to Thailand.....

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The Thais are "turning up the heat" after 12 years. The TAT must be pressuring the police to "arrange" some sort of case closure. They need those Saudi tourist riyals. So they dug up a Thai in Cambodia that could serve as the key to breaking the case "to make the Saudis happy." Not a question of right or wrong, fair application of the law and justice for all, but financial opportunity and manipulation of the law.

Can you substantiate your statement?

Thailand doesn't need Saudi riyals, on the contrary, Saudi Arabia needed Thais who are of higher quality and less trouble than the Bangladeshi and Pakistani workers. Now that work projects are scaled back in the Gulf States, there isn't much demand for additional foreign workers.

Do you really think a few thousand Saudi visitors are of any value to Thailand?

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The position of Saudi Arabia is very simple, and well publicized. Give back the blue diamond, and things will return to normal........This diamond is sitting in a safe somewhere, yet is has cost Thai workers hundreds of millions of dollars in lost wages because they were all kicked out of Saudi Arabia after this affair. This case is a black eye for Thailand, and they would do well to bring it to a close. Before someone makes a movie out of this case, and makes Thailand lose whatever face it has left.....

Come to think of it, this could be a great move for Thaksin !!!! He comes back here, and a week later the blue diamond suddenly turns up in an unmarked box at a police station addressed to Thaksin. He then returns it to the Saudis. Then 50,000 Thai workers suddenly have high paying jobs in Saudi.

Thailand-------win

Thaksin--------win

Isan workers-- win

You feeble attempt to drag Thaksin into the thread is an epic fail because it demonstrates you as clueless on the subject of foreign workers. The majority of Thai workers in Saudi Arabia were muslims. The muslims do not come from Issan. In case you didn't know, Saudi Arabia doesn't go out of its way to hire non muslims for the lower end jobs since it is not cost effective to keep them in isolated compounds as is the case with the "christian" types from europe and North America. Saudi Arabia would not tolerate any of the Issan people's religious practices. Please go use another thread to mount your cheap shot at Mr. Thaksin.

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They have known all along who was behind the theft and murders. Thaksin must know. Maybe now it's convenient to reveal the truth. Perhaps Thaksin wants to make himself loved by the rural folks by "solving" the case and enabling them to get jobs in Saudi Arabia again. It's amazing how quickly they found the key witness ... almost as if they knew his address all this time.

Why not ask former PM Abhisit or his friends in the former military dictatorship that overthrew a legally elected government?

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The position of Saudi Arabia is very simple, and well publicized. Give back the blue diamond, and things will return to normal........This diamond is sitting in a safe somewhere, yet is has cost Thai workers hundreds of millions of dollars in lost wages because they were all kicked out of Saudi Arabia after this affair. This case is a black eye for Thailand, and they would do well to bring it to a close. Before someone makes a movie out of this case, and makes Thailand lose whatever face it has left.....

Come to think of it, this could be a great move for Thaksin !!!! He comes back here, and a week later the blue diamond suddenly turns up in an unmarked box at a police station addressed to Thaksin. He then returns it to the Saudis. Then 50,000 Thai workers suddenly have high paying jobs in Saudi.

Thailand-------win

Thaksin--------win

Isan workers-- win

You feeble attempt to drag Thaksin into the thread is an epic fail because it demonstrates you as clueless on the subject of foreign workers. The majority of Thai workers in Saudi Arabia were muslims. The muslims do not come from Issan. In case you didn't know, Saudi Arabia doesn't go out of its way to hire non muslims for the lower end jobs since it is not cost effective to keep them in isolated compounds as is the case with the "christian" types from europe and North America. Saudi Arabia would not tolerate any of the Issan people's religious practices. Please go use another thread to mount your cheap shot at Mr. Thaksin.

From the Time magazine article on the blue diamond affair in 2010:

http://www.time.com/...1969920,00.html

In June 1990, the country would stop renewing the visas of more than a quarter-million Thai workers in Saudi Arabia and would give out no further ones, cutting Thailand off from billions of dollars in remittances.

If you know the religious outlook of each of the workers, clearly your research is far better than mine. Besides where they are from is totally irrelevant, it is still lost billions of dollars to Thailand. I brought up Thaksin simply because of the obvious timing. The government is working full steam to bring this crook back, and the suddenly out of the blue comes a big break in the blue diamond case which has been totally dead for many years. If you cannot see the link , that is your problem not mine. In any event it is always amusing to see your fevered defense if Thaksin's name is brought up in any thread.

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If you want to drag a PM into this then Chavalit Yongchaiyudh would be the place to start, as his wife, called by many in print "a walking jewelry box", was photographed (picture printed in newspapers) wearing some of the Saudi gems at a gala event. She said she "borrowed" the jewelry from a "friend".

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If you want to drag a PM into this then Chavalit Yongchaiyudh would be the place to start, as his wife, called by many in print "a walking jewelry box", was photographed (picture printed in newspapers) wearing some of the Saudi gems at a gala event. She said she "borrowed" the jewelry from a "friend".

The photo of Mrs.Yongchaiyudh with the blue diamond on are all fakes. Not sure who post them.

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A post with reference speculation to the Royal family has been removed. Speculation, comments and discussion of either a political or personal nature are not allowed when discussing HM The King or the Royal family.

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They have known all along who was behind the theft and murders. Thaksin must know. Maybe now it's convenient to reveal the truth. Perhaps Thaksin wants to make himself loved by the rural folks by "solving" the case and enabling them to get jobs in Saudi Arabia again. It's amazing how quickly they found the key witness ... almost as if they knew his address all this time.

Ah Thaksin again, every single topic on here Thaksin get a mention. Some people are absolutely obsessed with Thaksin and he controls thier every thought. It gets just a tad tiring. Can we possibly have one topic where he is not mentioned and this must be bordering on trolling.

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The position of Saudi Arabia is very simple, and well publicized. Give back the blue diamond, and things will return to normal........This diamond is sitting in a safe somewhere, yet is has cost Thai workers hundreds of millions of dollars in lost wages because they were all kicked out of Saudi Arabia after this affair. This case is a black eye for Thailand, and they would do well to bring it to a close. Before someone makes a movie out of this case, and makes Thailand lose whatever face it has left.....

Come to think of it, this could be a great move for Thaksin !!!! He comes back here, and a week later the blue diamond suddenly turns up in an unmarked box at a police station addressed to Thaksin. He then returns it to the Saudis. Then 50,000 Thai workers suddenly have high paying jobs in Saudi.

Thailand-------win

Thaksin--------win

Isan workers-- win

You feeble attempt to drag Thaksin into the thread is an epic fail because it demonstrates you as clueless on the subject of foreign workers. The majority of Thai workers in Saudi Arabia were muslims. The muslims do not come from Issan. In case you didn't know, Saudi Arabia doesn't go out of its way to hire non muslims for the lower end jobs since it is not cost effective to keep them in isolated compounds as is the case with the "christian" types from europe and North America. Saudi Arabia would not tolerate any of the Issan people's religious practices. Please go use another thread to mount your cheap shot at Mr. Thaksin.

Apart from your reference to Thaksin, the rest of your post is sheer rubbish. The majority of Thai workers in Saudi - & other gulf states - were Buddist & many came from Isan. Saudi does not stop people practising their religion at home & Filippino, Cambodian & other workers were the beneficiary of Thailand's stupidity.

Posted

They have known all along who was behind the theft and murders. Thaksin must know. Maybe now it's convenient to reveal the truth. Perhaps Thaksin wants to make himself loved by the rural folks by "solving" the case and enabling them to get jobs in Saudi Arabia again. It's amazing how quickly they found the key witness ... almost as if they knew his address all this time.

Ah Thaksin again, every single topic on here Thaksin get a mention. Some people are absolutely obsessed with Thaksin and he controls thier every thought. It gets just a tad tiring. Can we possibly have one topic where he is not mentioned and this must be bordering on trolling.

I don't think Thaksin's been blamed for the road crash which led to the deaths of 3 British tourists some months ago (see other thread close by). However, since people also died on the roads during Thaksin's administration, there is still a chance to implicate him. :)

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The position of Saudi Arabia is very simple, and well publicized. Give back the blue diamond, and things will return to normal........This diamond is sitting in a safe somewhere, yet is has cost Thai workers hundreds of millions of dollars in lost wages because they were all kicked out of Saudi Arabia after this affair. This case is a black eye for Thailand, and they would do well to bring it to a close. Before someone makes a movie out of this case, and makes Thailand lose whatever face it has left.....

Come to think of it, this could be a great move for Thaksin !!!! He comes back here, and a week later the blue diamond suddenly turns up in an unmarked box at a police station addressed to Thaksin. He then returns it to the Saudis. Then 50,000 Thai workers suddenly have high paying jobs in Saudi.

Thailand-------win

Thaksin--------win

Isan workers-- win

You feeble attempt to drag Thaksin into the thread is an epic fail because it demonstrates you as clueless on the subject of foreign workers. The majority of Thai workers in Saudi Arabia were muslims. The muslims do not come from Issan. In case you didn't know, Saudi Arabia doesn't go out of its way to hire non muslims for the lower end jobs since it is not cost effective to keep them in isolated compounds as is the case with the "christian" types from europe and North America. Saudi Arabia would not tolerate any of the Issan people's religious practices. Please go use another thread to mount your cheap shot at Mr. Thaksin.

"yet is has cost Thai workers hundreds of millions of dollars in lost wages because they were all kicked out of Saudi Arabia after this affair"

Eh, no they werent. Plenty still working there today. No need to mention the many who go over there on Umrah visas and then go underground. Last I heard it cost 6,000 SAR for an exit visa no questions asked.

"The majority of Thai workers in Saudi Arabia were muslims"

Well may well be "The Green Truth' reported them as Muslims after they all reverted to the true religion, but nothing could be further from the truth. Witness this with your own eyed did you?

The majority were low skilled marginally above Sri Lankans and Banglas but lower than Fillipinos in the pecking order.

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It is indeed an amazing story. The little thieving Thai gardner did a disservice to himself and his countrymen, but then again, what thief thinks of others? Others than perhaps his own family he couldn't support honestly. I'm not surprised by information in other better written articles on this subject that the thief was stupid enough to sell the stolen goods off for very little money. Some report as little as a thousand baht a piece. As far as the impact it has made on Thai workers, there are other countries in the Middle East Thais can turn to to earn, including Israel, a popular place for farmers and hotel workers. They've screwed themselves coming to Saudi Arabia legally, though. My father-in-law, a Buddhist, was among the Thais employed by a Saudi company after this scandal broke. He happened to be on leave and in Thailand when his coworkers were kicked out. I somehow doubt his money was tied up in Saudi banks as it's mostly a cash business. Still, it must have been an economic blow in terms of family budget and earning.

I don't quite understand the execution style shooting of the Saudi diplomats in Thailand by Thai police. What was the motive? Again, from other reports better written than this one, Saudi diplomats were shot execution style in Thailand. Then this one guy mentioned in the article went missing, presumably dead. It gets creepier as the US claims the deaths were actually a hit made by Iranians on the Saudis although no one can substantiate any of this.

All this diplomatic mess for 12 years because someone with a grade school education stole jewels from a Saudi house, and then a group of hi-so fools, who were given the chance to rectify the situation, flaunted the jewels in front of the world. So many Thais are short-sighted to see what lies beyond the next packet of sticky rice and som-tom-thai, but the one's involved will get what's coming to them, eventually. Maybe in another 12 years.

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Much easier to dismiss someone by stating rubbish than in providing actual facts, so let's look at the facts;

- In 2004 the numer of foreign workers was approx. 7 million. The number for 2011 is reported at approximately 5 million and dropping.

- With an unemployment rate in excess of 10%, SA has been following through with its program of Saudization with the goal of transferring some of the higher skilled jobs to locals. This is one of the reasons why the 6 year cap on work visas was introduced.

- There most definitely was and still is a bias in the hiring of foreigners in respect to the unskilled labour market. The SA government has two specific reasons why it has a preference for the hiring of muslim workers;

i) It meets the obligation/duty to share with fellow muslims and,

ii) The presence of non muslims in the nation considered the keeper of Islam has been a source of civil unrest and concern ever since the introduction of foreign workers.

Although, there are indeed non muslim unskilled workers in SA, the intent has always been to attract muslims for the sake of maintaining the local culture and religion. I draw your attention to the decision in 2004;

The Shoura Council announced that foreigners would be allowed to apply for Saudi citizenship in 2004. This new legislation would allow foreigners meeting strict language and residency requirements to be eligible for Saudi citizenship. These include fluency in written and spoken Arabic, adherence to the Islamic faith, and a residency requirement of 10 years. For foreigners who qualify, the chance to become a naturalized citizen would greatly improve their situation and increase their rights. As foreigners' opportunities for property ownership and investment are limited or non-existent, becoming a naturalized citizen would also give these workers the chance to participate more fully in the Saudi economy.

Source: http://www.migrationinformation.org/USfocus/display.cfm?ID=264

The Saudis have been able to emphasize the desire to use muslim workers because the foreign labour requirement shrank over the past 5 years. Note that SA reports a 100% muslim population. There are no non muslim citizens. In consideration of this, does anyone honestly believe that SA did not specifically target muslim workers? Keep in mind that the Saudis had their recruiters in the south of Thailand, not in the north. Yes, some people from Issan did find work in SA, but the hiring bias was for muslims, not non muslims. It made perfect sense for the Saudis to seek out the southerners as they were more compatible with the local culture.

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This case fascinates me on many levels. In some ways, a microcosm of what is wrong with Thailand. First the Thai guy stealing them from his employer. Then the jeweler paying the thief 1000 baht per piece that were worth millions. Then the Thai police getting in on the action ( including the chief of police for all of Thailand) for their cut. Now people start dying right and left with the police doing the killing. Then the jewels end up in the hands of moronic hisos, who flaunt them around at parties. Then the topper had to be when Thailand returned fake copies of the jewels to the Saudis. Clearly the government thought the Saudis were really really stupid......

This case will never be solved . If it was possible it would have been done years ago, and helped mitigate the financial damage done to Thailand by this fiasco. It involved the highest strata of Thai " society", so therefore solving and bringing people to justice will not occur.

So the jewelry will continue to languish in the safes of the hisos, and the Thai people will continue to be out of work.........

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Much easier to dismiss someone by stating rubbish than in providing actual facts, so let's look at the facts;

- In 2004 the numer of foreign workers was approx. 7 million. The number for 2011 is reported at approximately 5 million and dropping.

- With an unemployment rate in excess of 10%, SA has been following through with its program of Saudization with the goal of transferring some of the higher skilled jobs to locals. This is one of the reasons why the 6 year cap on work visas was introduced.

- There most definitely was and still is a bias in the hiring of foreigners in respect to the unskilled labour market. The SA government has two specific reasons why it has a preference for the hiring of muslim workers;

i) It meets the obligation/duty to share with fellow muslims and,

ii) The presence of non muslims in the nation considered the keeper of Islam has been a source of civil unrest and concern ever since the introduction of foreign workers.

Although, there are indeed non muslim unskilled workers in SA, the intent has always been to attract muslims for the sake of maintaining the local culture and religion. I draw your attention to the decision in 2004;

The Shoura Council announced that foreigners would be allowed to apply for Saudi citizenship in 2004. This new legislation would allow foreigners meeting strict language and residency requirements to be eligible for Saudi citizenship. These include fluency in written and spoken Arabic, adherence to the Islamic faith, and a residency requirement of 10 years. For foreigners who qualify, the chance to become a naturalized citizen would greatly improve their situation and increase their rights. As foreigners' opportunities for property ownership and investment are limited or non-existent, becoming a naturalized citizen would also give these workers the chance to participate more fully in the Saudi economy.

Source: http://www.migration...play.cfm?ID=264

The Saudis have been able to emphasize the desire to use muslim workers because the foreign labour requirement shrank over the past 5 years. Note that SA reports a 100% muslim population. There are no non muslim citizens. In consideration of this, does anyone honestly believe that SA did not specifically target muslim workers? Keep in mind that the Saudis had their recruiters in the south of Thailand, not in the north. Yes, some people from Issan did find work in SA, but the hiring bias was for muslims, not non muslims. It made perfect sense for the Saudis to seek out the southerners as they were more compatible with the local culture.

Why are you off on this bizarre tangent of whether of not the workers were from Pattani or Korat ????? The simple reality is the actions ( or lack of action) by the Thai government cost many thousands of Thai workers their jobs. Specifically 250,000 in 1990, when Saudi Arabia turned up the heat and applied a bit of payback.

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Clearly the government thought the Saudis were really really stupid......

Despite having one of the lowest average IQs worldwide and an average 8% of Thais being medically retarded, Thais believe everyone to be stupid in comparison to themselves.

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Why are you off on this bizarre tangent of whether of not the workers were from Pattani or Korat ????? The simple reality is the actions ( or lack of action) by the Thai government cost many thousands of Thai workers their jobs. Specifically 250,000 in 1990, when Saudi Arabia turned up the heat and applied a bit of payback.

It is not a bizarre tangent because it responds to the assertion in some posts that this is linked to gaining favour with Issan residents. My point is that it is inaccurate to claim that the developments are somehow related to an attempt to gain favour in Issan. As well, the attempt to link this case to Thaksin is erroneous because the military was running the country at the time.

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In February 1990, another presumed victim in this tangle of intrigue, Saudi Arabian businessman Mohammad Al-Ruwaily, went missing in Thailand. A group of policemen, led by now RTP Lieutenant General Somkhit Boonthanom, were initially arrested in the Al-Ruwaily case, though the Office of the Attorney General (OAG) dismissed the case against them. In 2009, the Abhisit government directed the Department of Special Investigations (DSI) to reopen the investigation, and on January 12 DSI and the OAG announced the indictments of five police officers, including LTG Somkhit, on abduction and murder charges, for beating and killing Al-Ruwaily.

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The position of Saudi Arabia is very simple, and well publicized. Give back the blue diamond, and things will return to normal........This diamond is sitting in a safe somewhere, yet is has cost Thai workers hundreds of millions of dollars in lost wages because they were all kicked out of Saudi Arabia after this affair. This case is a black eye for Thailand, and they would do well to bring it to a close. Before someone makes a movie out of this case, and makes Thailand lose whatever face it has left.....

Come to think of it, this could be a great move for Thaksin !!!! He comes back here, and a week later the blue diamond suddenly turns up in an unmarked box at a police station addressed to Thaksin. He then returns it to the Saudis. Then 50,000 Thai workers suddenly have high paying jobs in Saudi.

Thailand-------win

Thaksin--------win

Isan workers-- win

The most absurd part of this whole case is that the diamond has a value of perhaps 15 million dollars. Yet the lost wages caused by the continued holding of this diamond is many many many times that amount. What a sad way to fart on the Isan workers that were all sent back to Thailand.....

You assume rich Thais care about poor Thais. Or rich Thais care about anyone or anything else but themselves?

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The position of Saudi Arabia is very simple, and well publicized. Give back the blue diamond, and things will return to normal........This diamond is sitting in a safe somewhere, yet is has cost Thai workers hundreds of millions of dollars in lost wages because they were all kicked out of Saudi Arabia after this affair. This case is a black eye for Thailand, and they would do well to bring it to a close. Before someone makes a movie out of this case, and makes Thailand lose whatever face it has left.....

Come to think of it, this could be a great move for Thaksin !!!! He comes back here, and a week later the blue diamond suddenly turns up in an unmarked box at a police station addressed to Thaksin. He then returns it to the Saudis. Then 50,000 Thai workers suddenly have high paying jobs in Saudi.

Thailand-------win

Thaksin--------win

Isan workers-- win

You feeble attempt to drag Thaksin into the thread is an epic fail because it demonstrates you as clueless on the subject of foreign workers. The majority of Thai workers in Saudi Arabia were muslims. The muslims do not come from Issan. In case you didn't know, Saudi Arabia doesn't go out of its way to hire non muslims for the lower end jobs since it is not cost effective to keep them in isolated compounds as is the case with the "christian" types from europe and North America. Saudi Arabia would not tolerate any of the Issan people's religious practices. Please go use another thread to mount your cheap shot at Mr. Thaksin.

Apart from your reference to Thaksin, the rest of your post is sheer rubbish. The majority of Thai workers in Saudi - & other gulf states - were Buddist & many came from Isan. Saudi does not stop people practising their religion at home & Filippino, Cambodian & other workers were the beneficiary of Thailand's stupidity.

Very, very few Cambodians working in any of the Gulf states. Almost none.

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...I don't quite understand the execution style shooting of the Saudi diplomats in Thailand by Thai police. What was the motive? Again, from other reports better written than this one, Saudi diplomats were shot execution style in Thailand. ..

My understanding of it was that the Saudi diplomats and businessman were shot because they were in Thailand trying to track down the whereabouts of the missing jewels and in the process ruffling feathers. It seems that anyone trying to track down the whereabouts of said jewels was bumped off, as it were.

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Government working on Saudi case

The government has revealed it is seeking cooperation from a neighboring country to get a key witness to testify in its revived probe into the disappearance of a Saudi businessman more than 20 years ago.

The case is one of three crime cases relating to the Saudi gems theft that has strained Thai-Saudi relations for more than two decades.

The move follows Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra's appointment in August of a joint panel to oversee the investigations into the three cases.

The panel has found that it is likely one of the key witnesses for all three cases is hiding out in Cambodia and has tasked the Department of Special Investigation with getting testimony from the witness.

It has launched work to secure cooperation from the neighboring country to extrapolate the needed statement.

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