Honda Nc700X

[wana]

3 posts in 6 minutes about honda ? you should start making motorbikes if you can do it better

than they can

Unlike some folks I'm more interested in RIDING my bikes than talking about them

Says He with ................................ 5414 posts and counting ,you need to get yourself a shovel

[Fishenough]

3 posts in 6 minutes about honda ? you should start making motorbikes if you can do it better

than they can

Unlike some folks I'm more interested in RIDING my bikes than talking about them

Says He with ................................ 5414 posts and counting ,you need to get yourself a shovel

Dang - I was typing the same thing and didn't hit "reply" right away, that was a few minutes ago and it was just 5411 posts!!! Maybe he posts well riding.

Even if you don't like the bike(s), any rider has to appreciated that Honda is (still) trying to break new ground and take new directions. What with all that money they spend for certain once and awhile they will get it right - as they have many times in the past!

[wantan]

BigBikeBKK fears some Nc700 scooter will beat him on his Versys in acceleration contests. But no reason to whine, its just a motorbike

[BigBikeBKK]

3 posts in 6 minutes about honda ? you should start making motorbikes if you can do it better

than they can

Unlike some folks I'm more interested in RIDING my bikes than talking about them

Says He with ................................ 5414 posts and counting ,you need to get yourself a shovel

Dang - I was typing the same thing and didn't hit "reply" right away, that was a few minutes ago and it was just 5411 posts!!! Maybe he posts well riding.

LOLZ, 5416 since 2007

According to ThaiVisa I average 3.6 posts per day.

Certainly leaves enough time for riding

I know Fish rides.

Wana-tan? I kinda doubt it

Edited January 30, 2012 by BigBikeBKK

[BigBikeBKK]

Even if you don't like the bike(s), any rider has to appreciated that Honda is (still) trying to break new ground and take new directions. What with all that money they spend for certain once and awhile they will get it right - as they have many times in the past!

I hear what you're saying, but personally I feel like while Honda is "breaking new ground and taking new directions" that they've lost sight of what made them the #1 Japanese motorcycle brand in the first place...

[CMX]

Perhaps they have lost sight of what made them so successful. It is absolutely the case that they now are anticipating a new market. Call it dominance of the nanny-state or whatever, but they clearly are, with these bikes, aiming at those strange, peculiar folks who figure to obey the letter and the intent of laws, more or less - and who even pay attention to fuel costs. There's no reason, however, to criticize a bike until it proves unsuccessful in today's world. Our topic bike is (like Thailand itself, the PCX, or a CBr 250) what it is. Issue again is if it will sell.

I feel like letting it go - they are not intended to be performance bikes, just efficient transportation that may have handling merits, so what?

[dave_boo]

I'm sorry, but the reason that Honda is the main Japanese bike manufacturer is models like the Super Cub (60 Million sold meaning best selling vehicle in history), Waves (3/4 million sold last year...in Thailand alone), etc. There's also models like the CB350 that sold huge numbers. The margins just are not there and neither is the volume for the big bad ass sports bikes; just check out what happened to Buell as they had to eventually cave in and make the Blast to stay profitable enough for Harley to carry them as long as they did.

Any claims that it was their sports bikes, which do have a certain allure, that allowed Honda to go out and innovate (first fuel injected bikes, first turbo'd bikes, first dirt bike with liquid cooling, etc) is a bit far fetched.

Edited January 30, 2012 by dave_boo

[loserlazer]

I'm sorry, but the reason that Honda is the main Japanese bike manufacturer is models like the Super Cub (60 Million sold meaning best selling vehicle in history), Waves (3/4 million sold last year...in Thailand alone), etc. There's also models like the CB350 that sold huge numbers. The margins just are not there and neither is the volume for the big bad ass sports bikes; just check out what happened to Buell as they had to eventually cave in and make the Blast to stay profitable enough for Harley to carry them as long as they did.

Any claims that it was their sports bikes, which do have a certain allure, that allowed Honda to go out and innovate (first fuel injected bikes, first turbo'd bikes, first dirt bike with liquid cooling, etc) is a bit far fetched.

i was about to state the same thing.

so what about honda wave? it is the best selling bike in this world - with its ancestors - and it is only 9 hp!!!

so is it boring? or was it a mistake from honda? no man. it is a big success and overall good bike, workhorse of the masses.

for some, bikes are good for speeding for others for its torque, reliability and cheap maintenance.

so just because it does not fit your bill, it does not mean it is a crap bike man and you do not need to splash mud on it.

i think for 6999 USD which is only 3000 grand dearer than a honda cbr 250, it is a good priced bike with lots of comfort and storage for the masses. it looks rugged too. many potential buyers will like the prospects of low fuel costs and low maintenance and everlasting look - i said look - especially in an era of economic crisis.

and DCT of course is a good thing for city riding.

do not get me wrong, i did not like the idea of any bike more than 190 kg and personally will never buy this bike or even get closer to it,

but any bike, i respect.

[Fishenough]

Even if you don't like the bike(s), any rider has to appreciated that Honda is (still) trying to break new ground and take new directions. What with all that money they spend for certain once and awhile they will get it right - as they have many times in the past!

I hear what you're saying, but personally I feel like while Honda is "breaking new ground and taking new directions" that they've lost sight of what made them the #1 Japanese motorcycle brand in the first place...

The big question is how would you design a motorcycle for new - non riders?

People who don't want to ride for the same reasons as the majority of motorcyclists, but want economy, practicality and ease of use. What would you ride if you didn't care about carving corners, brand image, the feeling torque and horsepower bring? etc.

Build a motorcycle that's not for motorcyclist............

[BigBikeBKK]

Even if you don't like the bike(s), any rider has to appreciated that Honda is (still) trying to break new ground and take new directions. What with all that money they spend for certain once and awhile they will get it right - as they have many times in the past!

I hear what you're saying, but personally I feel like while Honda is "breaking new ground and taking new directions" that they've lost sight of what made them the #1 Japanese motorcycle brand in the first place...

The big question is how would you design a motorcycle for new - non riders?

People who don't want to ride for the same reasons as the majority of motorcyclists, but want economy, practicality and ease of use. What would you ride if you didn't care about carving corners, brand image, the feeling torque and horsepower bring? etc.

Build a motorcycle that's not for motorcyclist............

Aren't there already tons of cheap scooters that fit that description?

[thaicbr]

Even if you don't like the bike(s), any rider has to appreciated that Honda is (still) trying to break new ground and take new directions. What with all that money they spend for certain once and awhile they will get it right - as they have many times in the past!

I hear what you're saying, but personally I feel like while Honda is "breaking new ground and taking new directions" that they've lost sight of what made them the #1 Japanese motorcycle brand in the first place...

The big question is how would you design a motorcycle for new - non riders?

People who don't want to ride for the same reasons as the majority of motorcyclists, but want economy, practicality and ease of use. What would you ride if you didn't care about carving corners, brand image, the feeling torque and horsepower bring? etc.

Build a motorcycle that's not for motorcyclist............

Aren't there already tons of cheap scooters that fit that description?

No. Because they are scooters not motorcycles.

[Beardog]

This bike looks like a total bust To expensive way less HP than it should have for a 700 & it weighs a ton to boot

6500 RPMS doesn't exactly make me excited when you can get a 400 super 4 that is less weight way more RPMS

& cooks on the open road or off the line. They might as well make this bike automatic only to insure 100% buzzkill.

Here is Specs of a CB 400 super 4 (pretty much any year till 2012)

Power: 52.29 HP 38.2 kW @ 11,000 RPM

Dry weight: 170 KG 374.8 LBS.

Torque: 38.00 Nm (3.9 kgf-m or 28.0 ft.lbs) @ 9500 RPM (courtesy of Honda's homepage)

[Fishenough]

No. Because they are scooters not motorcycles.

Ok ok, non motorcyclists with high salary's that enjoy being perceived as 'eco concerned' by there choice in vehicles. Ie ex Prius owners.

[wana]

exactly make me excited when you can get a 400 super 4

the problem is ,you cant walk into any honda shop and order a cb400 super four

i would love a spank new one ,mine is around 20 years old and i still love it

the ones that are floating around are dodgy imports + cost to much to get a book for and

even after paying all that theyre only barely legal with a book thats been purchased under

the table

[BigBikeBKK]

exactly make me excited when you can get a 400 super 4

the problem is ,you cant walk into any honda shop and order a cb400 super four

i would love a spank new one ,mine is around 20 years old and i still love it

the ones that are floating around are dodgy imports + cost to much to get a book for and

even after paying all that theyre only barely legal with a book thats been purchased under

the table

Nonsense- there are TONS of legal CB400's in Thailand. You can buy second hand or import brand new- whichever you prefer.

[BigBikeBKK]

exactly make me excited when you can get a 400 super 4

the problem is ,you cant walk into any honda shop and order a cb400 super four

i would love a spank new one ,mine is around 20 years old and i still love it

the ones that are floating around are dodgy imports + cost to much to get a book for and

even after paying all that theyre only barely legal with a book thats been purchased under

the table

Nonsense- there are TONS of legal CB400's in Thailand. You can buy second hand or import brand new- whichever you prefer.

And anyway, who says the NC700 will be sold in Thailand? Who says the CB400 won't? I bet the CB400 would sell a lot better in Thailand than the NC700. We'll have to wait and see just what will be on offer at the new Honda Big Wing showroom, which, after years of delays, is tentatively scheduled to open in April.

[wana]

theres a differnce between importing a bike and choosing one in your choice of colours with a 3 warranty at any dealer but you were just working on yer post count werrent ya

[Beardog]

at any rate it for me will still be worth it to get a 400 . I am sure when the time is right & a little or lot of footwork it can be found with a real greenbook that is legal. Still would be way worth more than a 700 disappointment. might as well settle on a silverhawk instead LOL

[BigBikeBKK]

theres a differnce between importing a bike and choosing one in your choice of colours with a 3 warranty at any dealer but you were just working on yer post count werrent ya

But if you're talking about CB400's and NC700's neither are sold by Honda in Thailand, so I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make?

[wana]

theres a differnce between importing a bike and choosing one in your choice of colours with a 3 warranty at any dealer but you were just working on yer post count werrent ya

But if you're talking about CB400's and NC700's neither are sold by Honda in Thailand, so I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make?

is there no more windows to lick ?

[BigBikeBKK]

theres a differnce between importing a bike and choosing one in your choice of colours with a 3 warranty at any dealer but you were just working on yer post count werrent ya

But if you're talking about CB400's and NC700's neither are sold by Honda in Thailand, so I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make?

is there no more windows to lick ?

Huh?

[dave_boo]

This bike looks like a total bust To expensive way less HP than it should have for a 700 & it weighs a ton to boot

6500 RPMS doesn't exactly make me excited when you can get a 400 super 4 that is less weight way more RPMS

& cooks on the open road or off the line. They might as well make this bike automatic only to insure 100% buzzkill.

Here is Specs of a CB 400 super 4 (pretty much any year till 2012)

Power: 52.29 HP 38.2 kW @ 11,000 RPM

Dry weight: 170 KG 374.8 LBS.

Torque: 38.00 Nm (3.9 kgf-m or 28.0 ft.lbs) @ 9500 RPM (courtesy of Honda's homepage)

And 198 kg wet. Granted that is still 26 kg less than the NC700's claimed weight, but it is also way down on torque. The claimed torque for the NC700 is 44 ft-lb; 157% of the CB400's.. According to Motorcycle.com's road test, that 42 is Versys peak torque (although dyno's I've googled have it the same 44 as the NC700); I'd assume acceleration between the two should be fairly similar until the Versys got really spun out past 7000 RPM or so (when it surpassed the peak HP of the NC700).

Also the 6500 RPM everyone is talking about is the redline; rev limiter doesn't kick in until 8000.

[Beardog]

Still not worth the extra expense & weight. & I would bet even with the minor amounts of difference I could blow the doors off this dog with fleas with a 2006 400 super. I don't see the top end of the 700 to be significant in the top end whatsoever & a 4 inline would be so much faster to tach up to speed than a redline of 8000.That & the 400's would be way more desirable here in Thailand to be able to zip in & out of traffic & most likely the weight is distributed better. If I was getting a big bike it would be at least a 1000cc. anyway I have had many 750's & they are just a tad to small for serious road touring {for my taste}(which I don't do at all in Thailand) But I am sure someone will buy this bike & like it. Not what I would buy as it doesn't offer the right size or HP for the money spent.I don't think if they pitched it at 185,000 baht I would be a taker. The bike is butt ugly! And the redline is actually about 13,000 on the 400 super before the rev limiter kicks in. I think my older 1980 550 four would smoke the 700.

Edited January 31, 2012 by Beardog

[BigBikeBKK]

In all fairness, I expect this bike will have a small niche market in European cities where it could be a good messenger / delivery vehicle... What in the UK they call a "pizza bike"

[dave_boo]

Still not worth the extra expense & weight. & I would bet even with the minor amounts of difference I could blow the doors off this dog with fleas with a 2006 400 super. I don't see the top end of the 700 to be significant in the top end whatsoever & a 4 inline would be so much faster to tach up to speed than a redline of 8000.That & the 400's would be way more desirable here in Thailand to be able to zip in & out of traffic & most likely the weight is distributed better. If I was getting a big bike it would be at least a 1000cc. anyway I have had many 750's & they are just a tad to small for serious road touring {for my taste}(which I don't do at all in Thailand) But I am sure someone will buy this bike & like it. Not what I would buy as it doesn't offer the right size or HP for the money spent.I don't think if they pitched it at 185,000 baht I would be a taker. The bike is butt ugly! And the redline is actually about 13,000 on the 400 super before the rev limiter kicks in. I think my older 1980 550 four would smoke the 700.

I don't have much experience with the CB400 series, but the one time that I did ride with one it did not impress; even bigbikebkk commented on how it wasn't much or any better than the stock Ninjas we were on.

You may be right about the 400 being more flicakble; there's a lot of spinning mass fairly high in the air compared to the nearly horizontal layout of the NC700.

As far as the road touring; there's a LOT of people who tour on bikes with a lot less than the HP you're talking about without incident. There is one famous rider (cptslash?) who has traveled the width and breadth of the Kingdom. Granted most of us wouldn't want to do that on a Phantom, but I call that real road touring...

[madjbs]

What in the UK they call a "pizza bike"

A pizza bike would be a 50cc moped. This is more the type of thing a courier or commuter would use. While I think the Versys will be better overall, I bet the NC700x will be much better in traffic. The Versys is a bit too top heavy and has a poor turning radius for Thai traffic jams. I find my F650gs is much easier to ride in the city due to the low center of gravity and sharp turning circle (which should be similar to the NC700x). Although out of the city I would rather have the power and higher RPMs of the Versys (unless I was planing off road/gravel tracks).

[nikster]

What in the UK they call a "pizza bike"

A pizza bike would be a 50cc moped. This is more the type of thing a courier or commuter would use. While I think the Versys will be better overall, I bet the NC700x will be much better in traffic. The Versys is a bit too top heavy and has a poor turning radius for Thai traffic jams.

... then you didn't ride it right

The V is just fine for traffic, turning radius is great. Never ridden a F650 GS (would like to actually) but shouldn't it have a bigger turning radius thanks to that larger front wheel?

I won't judge the NC700X until it's out. Although I am guessing this bike is not for me, as I like to keep the Versys above 7k RPM pretty much all times, and I find it a bit weak WRT top speed. And I am much enjoying the Versys suspension so going back from that wouldn't be an option. I like the NC700X design, looks nice to me.

[madjbs]

What in the UK they call a "pizza bike"

A pizza bike would be a 50cc moped. This is more the type of thing a courier or commuter would use. While I think the Versys will be better overall, I bet the NC700x will be much better in traffic. The Versys is a bit too top heavy and has a poor turning radius for Thai traffic jams.

... then you didn't ride it right

The V is just fine for traffic, turning radius is great. Never ridden a F650 GS (would like to actually) but shouldn't it have a bigger turning radius thanks to that larger front wheel?

I agree, the Versys is fine for traffic, but, the F650gs is better due to the low center of gravity and the fact you can physically turn the handle bars further side to side. I rode both over the last few days so a comparison was easy to make. If the NC700 has a low CoG due to the underseat fuel tank (like the f650) etc.. then I imagine it will be similarly easy to ride in heavy and tight traffic.

Edited January 31, 2012 by madjbs

[BigBikeBKK]

What in the UK they call a "pizza bike"

A pizza bike would be a 50cc moped. This is more the type of thing a courier or commuter would use. While I think the Versys will be better overall, I bet the NC700x will be much better in traffic. The Versys is a bit too top heavy and has a poor turning radius for Thai traffic jams. I find my F650gs is much easier to ride in the city due to the low center of gravity and sharp turning circle (which should be similar to the NC700x). Although out of the city I would rather have the power and higher RPMs of the Versys (unless I was planing off road/gravel tracks).

Hmmm, I dunno mate. I'm certainly not a Brit but it was on a UK forum that I heard the Versys described as a "pizza bike" and I've noticed in Europe that big bikes are often used for messengers and deliveries.

I've ridden the F800GS which is pretty similar to the F650GS and I didn't find that the steering, lock to lock was any greater than that of the Versys. True the BMW has lower center of gravity, which I suppose might be handy in tight traffic, but I don't think many of us buy these bikes primarily to negotiate Bangkok traffic

The NC700 is big and heavy, both of which will make it a chore to get through heavy traffic. If commuting in traffic is a primary function then a cheap little scooter would be a better choice IMO.

[wantan]

I've ridden the F800GS which is pretty similar to the F650GS and I didn't find that the steering, lock to lock was any greater than that of the Versys. True the BMW has lower center of gravity, which I suppose might be handy in tight traffic, but I don't think many of us buy these bikes primarily to negotiate Bangkok traffic

The NC700 is big and heavy, both of which will make it a chore to get through heavy traffic. If commuting in traffic is a primary function then a cheap little scooter would be a better choice IMO.

Weight between Versys and NC700 isn't significant different. So there is the lower center of gravity which may makes the NC700 better in tight traffic. And the torque, and the storage in front, ... I sure would prefer the NC700 for daily city commuting.

Some people here have problems to understand that other people want to ride their bike every day and to every occasion (not only for touring at the weekends or wannabe races). And yes, small shopping tours to the next supermarket and commuting to work are part of this. Why not? Maybe these people are the real riders, not the weekend drivers who afterwards need to talk about every kilometer they have driven