I am coming to Bangkok for a few days in late March and was wondering if any Thai Visa members could let me know where this dredging is being done or has been done. I would like to have a look at it. It would be nice to observe it being done just to see what is in those Canals.

Maybe TAT could promote canal and sewer dredging as part of the "Miracle Thailand" program, ?

I am coming to Bangkok for a few days in late March and was wondering if any Thai Visa members could let me know where this dredging is being done or has been done. I would like to have a look at it. It would be nice to observe it being done just to see what is in those Canals.

Maybe TAT could promote canal and sewer dredging as part of the "Miracle Thailand" program, ?

..because it would be a true miracle, if it ever happened?

Very kind of him to consider and assure Bangkok, after he was party to deliberately flooding all areas outside of Bangkok last year, demonstrating crocodile tears for his failure that it was coming to Bangkok, and pursuing to barricade Bangkok with 'Big Bag' at the expense of all the sundry that we know got the worst of it! Kind indeed. To be blunt - he's a c____ !

So there it is, in writing, and his statements, 'the divide between the capital, and the rest of the lowlife's'.

If I wasn't sober I'd be writing vulgarities about this 'matter of control' about central BKK, and the F factor applied to everybody outside of it.

This is outragous, and He needs to be subpoenaed before the Nation to explain how he failed Thailand but saved Bangkok, last year,and what his plans are for not failing Thailand this year, whilst he presupposes to save Bangkok this year.

I smell stinky waters coming neck deep, yet again.... or was that John Bonham? Rock on Paribatra - you bummer!

-mel.

Governor of Bangkok prepares Bangkok for floods months in advance - shock horror.

What did your governor do?

Do you think that Sukhumband is responsible for all the surrounding provinces?

You may have noticed that the Chao Praya and ultimately Bangkok is in the way of the natural run off from upcountry flood conditions. You can surmise from that that the flood handling capabilities of Bangkok are quite important wrt the rest of the country. It may also have escaped your notice that the Governer of Bangkok has been in that position for quite a long time and should be aware of his responsibilities.

So the statement that he is preparing Bangkok months in advance is a complete crock of not necessarily true. If he had carried out his responsibilities of maintaining the free flow of klongs, good state of repair of pumps etc over the years he has been in governance maybe the effects of a major natural disaster may have been mitigated somewhat. To point out what a forward thinking competent governor he is now, really is taking the....................

nothing is happening in the west bangkok at all. The last week I went by boat on several largish khlongs and never spotted any work done looking from the car. Dredging is a slow process, only some 50-100m per day (depending on the width and depth of the canal and how good job is going to be done).

the last dredge of the canal next to my home was some 3-4 years ago, they do it only now and than, but it's a next and parallel to the major khlong maha sawat

I am pretty sure if there were no dams and holdups everywhere the flooding would have passed much faster. The blocking of Bangkok only made others suffer more. Also upcountry the dams were a bad idea, they kept the water till it was strong enough to overflow and then inundate a larger area as it would have without the dams.

The center of BKK might have been hit more but it would have been over a month earlier at least. I seen how fast the water went away once they started pumping it away. It was incredible.

I also agree that if bkk was flooded now more measures would be in place to have it happen again. Because they did not get flooded there is still a big mai pen rai attitude.

Part of me hopes i get flooded again because that would mean the end of investment in Thailand by the Japanese. It would break the government and hopefully get some real smart people in charge.

You just can't let it go.

It is times like this I really enjoy TV. We have 2 months to go to see this work done. I feel the result of how this is handled will be a fine example of Thailands comittment to resolving the problem and make it a good place for investors to build factories. It is something visual everyone can see if it is done or not. If it is done foreign investors will have faith in the future. Not done credibility could be come questionable.I have no interest in how it goes either way. But enjoy observing.And thank you TV to make it possible to monitor the results here.

With that said how is the dredging going? Have people noticed if it is finished,started or forgotten? Comments would be greatly appreciated.

Well here it is first of May.I am interested to know if everyone out there has noticed whether or not the deadline for dredging of canals and sewers has been completed in their areas? Anyone care to post what they have seen completed in their areas?

Edited May 1, 201214 yr by lovelomsak

Well here it is first of May.I am interested to know if everyone out there has noticed whether or not the deadline for dredging of canals and sewers has been completed in their areas? Anyone care to post what they have seen completed in their areas?

It's irrelevant whether the dredging is complete or not (or whether it would make any difference anyway). There is unlikely to be as much rain as last year, so everything the government has "done" will be a success.

A quick analysis of TV posters observations of work carried out--Ha Ha near ZERO and it's MAY. The governments promises to carry out pledges, across the board are more than an embarrassment. The never ending dribble oozing from their meetings proclaiming what they intend to do, is different to actually getting it done. Get off your posteriors cabinet and start cracking your whip.

Nothing here in Bangplad. The canals are dry at the moment and still full of rubbish. I wasn't expecting anything more though. I did notice that Tesco on Charan Sanit Wong has built a flood wall. They're not taking any chances!

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Very kind of him to consider and assure Bangkok, after he was party to deliberately flooding all areas outside of Bangkok last year, demonstrating crocodile tears for his failure that it was coming to Bangkok, and pursuing to barricade Bangkok with 'Big Bag' at the expense of all the sundry that we know got the worst of it! Kind indeed. To be blunt - he's a c____ !

So there it is, in writing, and his statements, 'the divide between the capital, and the rest of the lowlife's'.

If I wasn't sober I'd be writing vulgarities about this 'matter of control' about central BKK, and the F factor applied to everybody outside of it.

This is outragous, and He needs to be subpoenaed before the Nation to explain how he failed Thailand but saved Bangkok, last year,and what his plans are for not failing Thailand this year, whilst he presupposes to save Bangkok this year.

I smell stinky waters coming neck deep, yet again.... or was that John Bonham? Rock on Paribatra - you bummer!

-mel.

Governor of Bangkok prepares Bangkok for floods months in advance - shock horror.

What did your governor do?

Do you think that Sukhumband is responsible for all the surrounding provinces?

You may have noticed that the Chao Praya and ultimately Bangkok is in the way of the natural run off from upcountry flood conditions. You can surmise from that that the flood handling capabilities of Bangkok are quite important wrt the rest of the country. It may also have escaped your notice that the Governer of Bangkok has been in that position for quite a long time and should be aware of his responsibilities.

So the statement that he is preparing Bangkok months in advance is a complete crock of not necessarily true. If he had carried out his responsibilities of maintaining the free flow of klongs, good state of repair of pumps etc over the years he has been in governance maybe the effects of a major natural disaster may have been mitigated somewhat. To point out what a forward thinking competent governor he is now, really is taking the....................

Spare us the ideological drivel, troll.

PhiPhidon, The government is responsible for everything and everyone-including mayors. To your reading most things are running smooth, everything is being done to prevent another disaster??  on most topics you resist rebuffing all the said governments wrong moves and argue against most who spell out the truths. Please see the light, bash em now and then when they are lax or make silly decisions. This is not a democratic view it's everyones view of wrongs.

Governor of Bangkok prepares Bangkok for floods months in advance - shock horror.

What did your governor do?

Do you think that Sukhumband is responsible for all the surrounding provinces?

You may have noticed that the Chao Praya and ultimately Bangkok is in the way of the natural run off from upcountry flood conditions. You can surmise from that that the flood handling capabilities of Bangkok are quite important wrt the rest of the country. It may also have escaped your notice that the Governer of Bangkok has been in that position for quite a long time and should be aware of his responsibilities.

So the statement that he is preparing Bangkok months in advance is a complete crock of not necessarily true. If he had carried out his responsibilities of maintaining the free flow of klongs, good state of repair of pumps etc over the years he has been in governance maybe the effects of a major natural disaster may have been mitigated somewhat. To point out what a forward thinking competent governor he is now, really is taking the....................

Spare us the ideological drivel, troll.

You need to let some of that anger go, it can't be good for you. Now lets have a look at what I said and then you tell me where you disagree.

Responsibility for maintenance of pumps, free flow of sewers, klongs, drainage channels in the Bangkok district is down to the BMA. By definition this work should be carried out at regular intervals. With me so far? The head of local government in Bangkok is Democrat Sukhumbhand Paribatra who has been in office since January 2009, he was preceeded by Apirak Kosayodhin, another democrat, who was Governor for just over 4 years previously. So there has been no change of ideology on 6+ years. They know what their responsibilities are, they haven't changed.

So come the big floods. Suddenly it's found out that some of the pumps are broken, the klongs and sewers are choked and need dredging and when it comes to what sluices to open the Governor takes no notice of the FROC because he knows best. In the aftermath it decided that it really would be a good idea to maintain the flood control measures and the BMA is tasked.

February 7th - The Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA) has hatched a plan to unclog all canals and sewers in Bangkok this year to prevent severe flooding.

The draining and unclogging works are expected to be completed by May this year with the BMA’s assurance that previously-flooded areas will not go through a similar ordeal again.

http://reliefweb.int/node/475199

I repeat, the Governor of Bangkok has not been preparing Bangkok for floods months in advance - he has been making up for all the maintenance the BMA failed to do in the first place.

So please do explain your "Spare us the ideological drivel, troll" statement, I'm eager to hear your reasoning

Come the big floods that were being controlled by the self confessed Big wig dam management controller-of THIS government. yes on his admittance he GOOFED.

If the said Governor of Bkk had not done his job, then why didn't the government observe, and react as they can do anything and overide everyone if needed.   Blame the Democrats, for it if it makes YOU feel better. If the governor of Bkk was wrong then he wants a kick up the rectum the same as this lot that goofed on the dam levels.  By the way no one on earth could have prevented the floods BUT could have prevented much of the losses that happened. Most posters to my mind are NOT Democrats, they are foreigners that are concerned with this governments antics.

PhiPhiDon

Under the PTP givernment falls one of the oldest ministries - the Ministry of Agriculture.

Part of this ministry is the Royal Irrigation Department

This department is responsible for a large number of Bangkok-based klongs and this includes maintenance.

Just so you know a bit more before you jump in.........

PhiPhiDon

Under the PTP givernment falls one of the oldest ministries - the Ministry of Agriculture.

Part of this ministry is the Royal Irrigation Department

This department is responsible for a large number of Bangkok-based klongs and this includes maintenance.

Just so you know a bit more before you jump in.........

Klong = canal, Yes?

Bangkok excavates 93 canals to honor HM the King

Bangkok governor Apirak Kosayodhin said the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration has 1,165 canals under its responsibility and its has found that the water in most of them are polluted because of trash and drained water. Thus the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration is cooperating with soldiers from the Supreme Command Headquarters in excavating 93 canals. 55 of these canals are located in the eastern part of the metropolis and 38 are located in other regions. The excavation is aimed at reducing the problem of spoiled water and mitigating floods in Bangkok.

http://thainews.prd....id=255003100017

Yes I am aware that this post is 5 years old. As far as I know that responsibility for the canals under the BMA has not changed. Blockage of the canals has not changed.

Edited May 2, 201214 yr by phiphidon

PhiPhiDon

Under the PTP givernment falls one of the oldest ministries - the Ministry of Agriculture.

Part of this ministry is the Royal Irrigation Department

This department is responsible for a large number of Bangkok-based klongs and this includes maintenance.

Just so you know a bit more before you jump in.........

Klong = canal, Yes?

Bangkok excavates 93 canals to honor HM the King

Bangkok governor Apirak Kosayodhin said the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration has 1,165 canals under its responsibility and its has found that the water in most of them are polluted because of trash and drained water. Thus the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration is cooperating with soldiers from the Supreme Command Headquarters in excavating 93 canals. 55 of these canals are located in the eastern part of the metropolis and 38 are located in other regions. The excavation is aimed at reducing the problem of spoiled water and mitigating floods in Bangkok.

http://thainews.prd....id=255003100017

Yes I am aware that this post is 5 years old. As far as I know that responsibility for the canals under the BMA has not changed. Blockage of the canals has not changed.

As far as you know is not really that far when it comes to the canals of Bangkok.

Look back over the flood news reports whenthe head of the RID (since replaced) and Sukhumband were in disagreement - the RID had the authority over the canals.

Klong = canal, Yes?

Bangkok excavates 93 canals to honor HM the King

Bangkok governor Apirak Kosayodhin said the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration has 1,165 canals under its responsibility and its has found that the water in most of them are polluted because of trash and drained water. Thus the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration is cooperating with soldiers from the Supreme Command Headquarters in excavating 93 canals. 55 of these canals are located in the eastern part of the metropolis and 38 are located in other regions. The excavation is aimed at reducing the problem of spoiled water and mitigating floods in Bangkok.

http://thainews.prd....id=255003100017

Yes I am aware that this post is 5 years old. As far as I know that responsibility for the canals under the BMA has not changed. Blockage of the canals has not changed.

As far as you know is not really that far when it comes to the canals of Bangkok.

Look back over the flood news reports whenthe head of the RID (since replaced) and Sukhumband were in disagreement - the RID had the authority over the canals.

"As far as you know is not really that far when it comes to the canals of Bangkok" - it's a figure of speech politely meaning I'm not really that sure of the number. Now I know you're more of the "stick any number down and if anybody queries it I'll tell them to prove otherwise" school of thought but it doesn't work with me.

If you're going to be smug, be right.

Number of canals in Bangkok was 1,357 in 2000. Department of Drainage and Sewerage is responsible for

329 canals and District Offices are responsible for 1,028 canals.

http://www.google.co...tYCdIGOwSC670rQ

Now I don't know how many canals have been built new (few, if any, I suspect) but many have been filled in since the report above so the 1.165 canals under responsibility of the BMA is probably about right.

Did you ever consider for a moment that FROC temporarily make the RID responsible for some of the canals to spread the work load as part of the disaster mitigation plan? If you look at the RID official website there is no mention of canals in Bangkok, just dams and various projects around the country.

At the last resort use some common sense and look at their name - what irrigation is needed in the bangkok central district?

"Did you ever consider for a moment that FROC temporarily make the RID responsible for some of the canals to spread the work load as part of the disaster mitigation plan? "

FROC was set up to concentrate authority and responsibility. It could not delegate responsibility, but could demand others to do the work. The FROC has since been replaced by SWREM or something like that. Not even sure the BKK governor has regained his authority / resposibility in this.

I've seen some dredging / cleaning in my area, most work concentrated on cleaning underground drainage / sewer channels. Haven't really paid attention, but that type of activity is a yearly occurrance. Maybe just in 'Smaller Bangkok' rather than 'Greater Bangkok'?