insertmembernamehere Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGCLRFcvNEo The footage is old, but the thing was uploaded less than a week ago. It may have been somewhere else, but it's new to me. This isn't very balanced and does not interview many people, but it is interesting nevertheless. The thing that comes across to me is the pathetic men in the film. I mean they really have absolutely no idea how the mind of the Thai bargirl works. I feel sorry for men like these. The total confusion between romantic love and bargirl "love" is very sad to see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Som nam na.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post samsiam Posted January 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2012 Yes and romantic love lasts forever and we all live happily ever after. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itishothere Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 What a depressing advert for Koh Samui. I wouldn't go there in a million years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 tourists as well as expats going to beer bars on Samui are just a tiny minority, not present at all on Koh Phangan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorSucker Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Not a single Beer bar on Koh Phangan???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limbos Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 tourists as well as expats going to beer bars on Samui are just a tiny minority, not present at all on Koh Phangan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamini Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 tourists as well as expats going to beer bars on Samui are just a tiny minority, not present at all on Koh Phangan The others go there for cheap drugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Not a single Beer bar on Koh Phangan???? people going to beer bars there????...there must be some, if you say so. But, I would say, it's quite the opposite of the intention of the masses of Western tourists going over there...for sure sorry, but that's reality, limbos. If not so just tell..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limbos Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Not a single Beer bar on Koh Phangan???? people going to beer bars there????...there must be some, if you say so. But, I would say, it's quite the opposite of the intention of the masses of Western tourists going over there...for sure sorry, but that's reality, limbos. If not so just tell..... I don't mind about the intention but saying there are no beer bars on KP is the same as stating that nobody uses drugs during the FMP. The bars are definately htere on KP and if they weren't successful, they would be closed down. Funnily enough, they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samuiseagull Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Yes and romantic love lasts forever and we all live happily ever after. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicalevo Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 What a depressing advert for Koh Samui. I wouldn't go there in a million years. Thank god. If your view is based on an eight year old travelogue that interviews 4 people (I think it's 4) - well! Not quite a balanced representation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insertmembernamehere Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 It may be dated, but is it still happening now. More later.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boater Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 did they really have to use the oldest and most used Bargirl on the block for this video !, doesnt give a very good image of the quilty of Bargirls samui has ! come on TAT , make a counter campaign ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehelmsman Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 What a depressing advert for Koh Samui. I wouldn't go there in a million years. GOOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 did they really have to use the oldest and most used Bargirl on the block for this video !, doesnt give a very good image of the quilty of Bargirls samui has ! come on TAT , make a counter campaign ! Especially back in those days....ahh the memories! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurnell Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 In a word DISGUSTING!! I am appalled. The lighting was all over the place, editing shoddy and I won't even go into the weak production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsamui Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) Seems to me that you've got one 'realist' and the other ones with their heads firmly in the clouds. At least the young skinny guy realises that it's love for sale. He's balanced the costs of living in England and living here and the difference in the lifestyles and decided that even tho he's paying for her it's worth it. Fair enough. But oh dear! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but . . . have they all deliberately picked the frumpiest and least glamourous women they can find cos it makes them feel more secure and less threatened? This film makes it look like all the women here are little round pudding people who sound retarded . . . (I wonder how many of the English audience had any idea when she was saying when she uttered the immortal words ". . . him only wan look my miew.") On the other hand, nine years back the only bar girls who didn't wear baggy shorts and Mickey Mouse T-shirts weren't girls. That's another things that dates this film; at least today most the working girls look sexy in minis and heels. I'd be interested to know how many of these guys are still together. Although after 9 years the same could be said of relationships in England, too. The big difference is that, undoubtedly, everything (the bar, the house, the car, the motorbikes) was put in the wife's name, and the guy's now lost the whole lot. (And another couple of nice new houses have been been added to the rural landscape in Issarn.) Almost an interesting documentary, but dated and dull. Definitely fast-forward/switch channels material. R Edited January 31, 2012 by robsamui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galong Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 did they really have to use the oldest and most used Bargirl on the block for this video !, doesnt give a very good image of the quilty of Bargirls samui has ! come on TAT , make a counter campaign ! Dude, what you said was cool, but what I really like is your avatar... Instant classic!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galong Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 There's a new 'escort' service in Phuket. I reserved a friend the other night. She was two hours late... but she still love me wrong time. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itishothere Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 What a depressing advert for Koh Samui. I wouldn't go there in a million years. GOOD. Maybe I should have put a instead of the . I live here. But if anyone thought that video was representative of the place, they wouldn't want to come here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 What a depressing advert for Koh Samui. I wouldn't go there in a million years. GOOD. Yes itishothere, we don't want the likes of you on the island. There you are mate...that's how its done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKeeNok Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) I guess I can understand how someone can go for a BG when you factor in the weather, culture and all the other bits that go along with it, but there are so many other non BGs to chose from. I find it confusing. Also, what about STDs? Now correct me if im wrong, but I'd read that 25% of all new hiv cases in england are from guys who have visited los and were thinkiong with the wrong head. "I came here to build a relationship" with a bg? Edited January 31, 2012 by Rooo Explicit removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QED Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) I guess I can understand how someone can go for a BG when you factor in the weather, culture and all the other bits that go along with it, but there are so many other non BGs to chose from. I find it confusing. Also, what about STDs? Now correct me if im wrong, but I'd read that 25% of all new hiv cases in england are from guys who have visited los and were thinkiong with the wrong head. "I came here to build a relationship" with a bg? Wow that is some statistic - hope you can back it up with a link? Thought not, utter nonsense.. Edited January 31, 2012 by Rooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKeeNok Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) I guess I can understand how someone can go for a BG when you factor in the weather, culture and all the other bits that go along with it, but there are so many other non BGs to chose from. I find it confusing. Also, what about STDs? Now correct me if im wrong, but I'd read that 25% of all new hiv cases in england are from guys who have visited los and were thinkiong with the wrong head. "I came here to build a relationship" with a bg? Wow that is some statistic - hope you can back it up with a link? Thought not, utter nonsense.. Id read it several years back. I only read ligit papers. Im GUESSING it was th Gaurdian,Mail or some other similar paper. No I donthave alink. Thats why I made a post. Thought someone may have read a similar report! Peace brother! Edited January 31, 2012 by Rooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msg362 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 In a word DISGUSTING!! I am appalled. The lighting was all over the place, editing shoddy and I won't even go into the weak production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooo Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I have edited some posts.Please keep in mind Forum RULES, re discussion of prostitution & Thai bashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insertmembernamehere Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 This issue is like an onion, there are layers upon layers and revealing each one makes you cry... One of the central points is the way men suffer some sort of insanity when they come to Thailand. A couple of the men in the video seem to say that the thought of engaging the services of a prostitute in their home countries would be something they would not do; yet, here in Thailand, that all goes out the window. There is one fundamental paradigm shift that Western men, almost to a soul, cannot make: whatever you think the girls feels, she is working. Period! Escorting you, "loving" you and servicing you is part of their job description. Of course, a girl might like you, and feel comfortable with you, but there is nothing unusual about a person loving or liking their work. The shift that men can't make is that they think that the Thai female shares the same frame of reference regarding "love" and "genuine" feelings. They don't. A researcher in the sex trade here coined the term, "Open-ended prostitution," whereby a girl will be with a Western man in a relationship until the money runs out, or otherwise the payments are not sufficient or some other situation develops. This relationship could be of a duration of a few days to a few weeks to a few years. Some will say, "Ah, but we have been together for four years," to which one can only say, "Nice to have deep pockets." Once the woman has strip-mined her "big customer," she has no choice but to go back to the bar and start angling again. Now, I know there are exceptions to the rule, but often these girls are older and simply tired of the game and are, often, not in their physical prime. They are willing to simply settle for subsistence living from a foreigner in lieu of settling for subsistence living from a Thai back in some Issan village. It is in Crime and Punishment I believe where Dostoevsky writes: "He is happiest who knows best how to pull the wool over his own eyes." If you are willing to accept that the woman you are with (for however long) is with you because you are funding her in some way and it is not a loving relationship as construed in the Western mind and it never will be, then enjoy your ersatz love. To the gentleman who is sending money to this girl in the video "to pay rent," I have just one thing to say: What could be the point? Considering she will be with someone else as soon as you are gone, and in their bed too (read: "Uh, what was your name again?"), what sort of misguided altruism is this? If you really feel like doing some good, donate that money each month to a school for supplies or buy medicines for isolated rural villages, etc. Let me just say again for clarity: A woman plucked from a bar is working even if she is not wrapped around a pole or a bottle of Chang. AND, the better they are at their job, the less you believe that she is working ("Oh, not Noi! She's different!"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itishothere Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 ("Oh, not Noi! She's different!"). Yup. She's a bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicalevo Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I bow to your superior knowledge. Thank you for enlightening me. Unfortunately I have only been in Thailand since 1993 and so I seem to know bugggeer all about the local bar scene here in Samui. I have highlighted one part below. Isn't this true in a lot of cases all over the world? Surely it is not restricted just to Thailand? (My first wife - English, never worked in a bar- left me after 14 years because I did not earn enough money!) This issue is like an onion, there are layers upon layers and revealing each one makes you cry... One of the central points is the way men suffer some sort of insanity when they come to Thailand. A couple of the men in the video seem to say that the thought of engaging the services of a prostitute in their home countries would be something they would not do; yet, here in Thailand, that all goes out the window. There is one fundamental paradigm shift that Western men, almost to a soul, cannot make: whatever you think the girls feels, she is working. Period! Escorting you, "loving" you and servicing you is part of their job description. Of course, a girl might like you, and feel comfortable with you, but there is nothing unusual about a person loving or liking their work. The shift that men can't make is that they think that the Thai female shares the same frame of reference regarding "love" and "genuine" feelings. They don't. A researcher in the sex trade here coined the term, "Open-ended prostitution," whereby a girl will be with a Western man in a relationship until the money runs out, or otherwise the payments are not sufficient or some other situation develops. This relationship could be of a duration of a few days to a few weeks to a few years. Some will say, "Ah, but we have been together for four years," to which one can only say, "Nice to have deep pockets." Once the woman has strip-mined her "big customer," she has no choice but to go back to the bar and start angling again. Now, I know there are exceptions to the rule, but often these girls are older and simply tired of the game and are, often, not in their physical prime. They are willing to simply settle for subsistence living from a foreigner in lieu of settling for subsistence living from a Thai back in some Issan village. It is in Crime and Punishment I believe where Dostoevsky writes: "He is happiest who knows best how to pull the wool over his own eyes." If you are willing to accept that the woman you are with (for however long) is with you because you are funding her in some way and it is not a loving relationship as construed in the Western mind and it never will be, then enjoy your ersatz love. To the gentleman who is sending money to this girl in the video "to pay rent," I have just one thing to say: What could be the point? Considering she will be with someone else as soon as you are gone, and in their bed too (read: "Uh, what was your name again?"), what sort of misguided altruism is this? If you really feel like doing some good, donate that money each month to a school for supplies or buy medicines for isolated rural villages, etc. Let me just say again for clarity: A woman plucked from a bar is working even if she is not wrapped around a pole or a bottle of Chang. AND, the better they are at their job, the less you believe that she is working ("Oh, not Noi! She's different!"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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