Chalerm Orders Police To Step Up Vice Suppression In Bangkok's Entertainment Venues

[moe666]

It seems we have a few Chalems posting here on Thai visa getting on the banbwagon to close up the bars and get rid of what Bangkok is famous for. If you are going to post facts and figures get them right. 80 percent of the tourist coming here are not into the sex tourism thing at all as the largest group of tourist to Thailand are from China now and they come on a package deal with family. Closing down Nana, Cowboy and any other venue would not make a blip on the tourist numbers.

Edited January 31, 2012 by moe666

[anon467367354]

He said some under the jurisdiction of the Makkasan and Huay Kwang police stations are openly selling amphetamine and methamphetamine on their premises.

Some under the jurisdiction of the Phlap Phla Chai 1, Bang Rak, Samrae, Buppharam and Bukkhalo police stations, have horse racing machines and act as illegal lottery bookies.

no mention of any charges being filed. Is this a "please stop" selling drugs or "keep it under wraps" kind of thing?

[arrowsdawdle]

Cracking down on "vice" is like pissing in the wind. What's the real agenda?

All the thunder is to drive up tea money amounts. Increased restrictions means the value of protection increases.

[DocN]

It seems we have a few Chalems posting here on Thai visa getting on the banbwagon to close up the bars and get rid of what Bangkok is famous for. If you are going to post facts and figures get them right. 80 percent of the tourist coming here are not into the sex tourism thing at all as the largest group of tourist to Thailand are from China now and they come on a package deal with family. Closing down Nana, Cowboy and any other venue would not make a blip on the tourist numbers.

It might not make a "blip" on the tourist numbers...but what about the money it creates.

And I am not talking about taxes (although....), but about the money being send up-country to help whole families survive.

As bad as prostitution is: it feeds some babies...gambling doesn't!

[bristolgeoff]

alittle holiday for some,but back to business after a short break

[TeddyFlyfisherDavis]

When they start selling ice cream in hell....Call me...

[lingyaiyai]

Deal with sex tourists? There are an estimated 2 millions prostitutes in Thailand, 95 percent of them catering to thai people.So sextourism is not an issue, statistically.It's like saying eradicate eating spaghetti among tourists visiting Italy!!!!...Furthermore what's wrong with sex tourism?Without it tourism arrival would plunge - I estimate- around 80 percent.

why dont they just make gambling legal? Like any normal country?

They should first deal with the sex tourists. That's insane

I fully agree that prostitutes cater for the local market first. But you can't deny the prevalence of sex venues for farangs in Bangkok.

And by the way, if you say that 5% of the prostitutes cater for farang (i.e. 100,000 prostitutes based on your calculation), I hardly see how it can concern 80% of the tourists coming to Thailand.

@ 3 clients a week they would be seeing 15.6 million tourists per annum between them. Not far off 80%!!

[BigJohnnyBKK]

It seems we have a few Chalems posting here on Thai visa getting on the banbwagon to close up the bars and get rid of what Bangkok is famous for. If you are going to post facts and figures get them right. 80 percent of the tourist coming here are not into the sex tourism thing at all as the largest group of tourist to Thailand are from China now and they come on a package deal with family. Closing down Nana, Cowboy and any other venue would not make a blip on the tourist numbers.

No but the economies of several Isaan provinces would plummet long term, most girls require at least one new sucker every 2-3 months to replace the ones that wise up or otherwise drop off her radar.

They should give at least 15 years' notice to the breeding farms, otherwise it's unfair, they have the new crops in the pipeline now ready to feed Pattaya/Phuket/Samui, brainwashing already in place "you're small and dark, you should perfect be perfect to find a farang husband" - heard this said by family members to girls well under 10. . .

[jalansanitwong]

They spin this crime crackdown rubbish every single year ...year in year out. Never stops. Nothing ever changes or ever will in Thailand. Everyone knows that the cops richly profit from gambling and prostitution in Thailand which is why neither will likely be legalised...........ever.

Ever heard of a place called Pattaya. Why do you think the pollies put the new airport just a stones throw from one of the biggest and cheapest brothels in the world. Not to mention buying ,swapping and exporting isan wives

Edited January 31, 2012 by jalansanitwong

[BigJohnnyBKK]

I fully agree that prostitutes cater for the local market first. But you can't deny the prevalence of sex venues for farangs in Bangkok.

And by the way, if you say that 5% of the prostitutes cater for farang (i.e. 100,000 prostitutes based on your calculation), I hardly see how it can concern 80% of the tourists coming to Thailand.

The sex trade is hardly mentioned here, I believe the current focus is on drugs, and secondarily gambling.

IMO all of these should be made as victimless and legalized as possible, regulated for the health/social harmful effects, most of which are multiplied only by the fact that they are classified as "crimes" rather than social problems.

AIDS, child abuse, human trafficking, all could effectively disappear if Thailand effectively regulate the victimless sex trade between consenting adults.

[frimu]

Why is this breaking news? It's just about bla bla without any immediate effect, totally uninteresting and certainly not worth breaking news. I was expecting to read something about police action somewhere. Don't wast my time!

[silsburyhill]

It seems we have a few Chalems posting here on Thai visa getting on the banbwagon to close up the bars and get rid of what Bangkok is famous for. If you are going to post facts and figures get them right. 80 percent of the tourist coming here are not into the sex tourism thing at all as the largest group of tourist to Thailand are from China now and they come on a package deal with family. Closing down Nana, Cowboy and any other venue would not make a blip on the tourist numbers.

It might not make a "blip" on the tourist numbers...but what about the money it creates.

And I am not talking about taxes (although....), but about the money being send up-country to help whole families survive.

As bad as prostitution is: it feeds some babies...gambling doesn't!

What an earth did they do before The White Man come with Big Dollar to shag their daughters for money?! And why so much here in Thailand specifically? (Before we start yet another pointless rant on 'it happens everywhere).

A lot of these babies are the consequence of prostitution and a l LOT of babies go without food because of gambling. Or do you seriously believe there to be just the few 'illegal casinos in Bangkok' fed to you by the BiB?

Vice attracts vice. Gamblers drink, pay prostitutes, and many involved in drugs. And no, MOST tourists find something other to do here than hire hookers and visit 7/11s. Except the usual posters who simply lack moral fortitude (get a grip) and lack imagination.

[ableguy]

What bull ...how about sorting out the corruption in the Royal Thai Police...yes the first word from RTP is the key but no one in any Government ever in Thailand has the balls to do anything about it

This has to be the hub of bull£hit....next year will be another announcement of a Clamp down on Entertainment venues again, it is called the annual increase of tea money

Must agree all hot air perhaps next they will vow to wipe out prostitution in fact the word vow is in such common use in politics and police waffle it does not have any meaning at all.

[silsburyhill]

I fully agree that prostitutes cater for the local market first. But you can't deny the prevalence of sex venues for farangs in Bangkok.

And by the way, if you say that 5% of the prostitutes cater for farang (i.e. 100,000 prostitutes based on your calculation), I hardly see how it can concern 80% of the tourists coming to Thailand.

The sex trade is hardly mentioned here, I believe the current focus is on drugs, and secondarily gambling.

IMO all of these should be made as victimless and legalized as possible, regulated for the health/social harmful effects, most of which are multiplied only by the fact that they are classified as "crimes" rather than social problems.

AIDS, child abuse, human trafficking, all could effectively disappear if Thailand effectively regulate the victimless sex trade between consenting adults.

I fully agree that prostitutes cater for the local market first. But you can't deny the prevalence of sex venues for farangs in Bangkok.

And by the way, if you say that 5% of the prostitutes cater for farang (i.e. 100,000 prostitutes based on your calculation), I hardly see how it can concern 80% of the tourists coming to Thailand.

The sex trade is hardly mentioned here, I believe the current focus is on drugs, and secondarily gambling.

IMO all of these should be made as victimless and legalized as possible, regulated for the health/social harmful effects, most of which are multiplied only by the fact that they are classified as "crimes" rather than social problems.

AIDS, child abuse, human trafficking, all could effectively disappear if Thailand effectively regulate the victimless sex trade between consenting adults.

Whilst I agree the current focus seems to be on drugs, it's always on drugs. Why? Out of the three, prostitution/gambling/drugs, why drugs? Most lucrative?

And I agree that all of these social ills don't seem to have been helped by criminalisation. So where are the Social Programs? We here sporadic reports of some wat or ngo helping somewhere, but still they exist.

[agudbuk]

why dont they just make gambling legal? Like any normal country?

That's a bit like saying why don't they make brothels legal in the UK or most parts of the US.

If you malke it legal it's easisr to control and maybe as important. You can tax it.

[sirchai]

He said some under the jurisdiction of the Makkasan and Huay Kwang police stations are openly selling amphetamine and methamphetamine on their premises.

Some under the jurisdiction of the Phlap Phla Chai 1, Bang Rak, Samrae, Buppharam and Bukkhalo police stations, have horse racing machines and act as illegal lottery bookies.

Time for the American FBI to step in the game.... ...

[moooooooo]

The deputy PM instructed the city police to seek cooperation from entrepreneurs to immediately inform the authorities of their business rivals' illegal activities.

ie the city police's business rivals!!

[bridge2bridge]

Only 600 of 1500 licensed.

WHY not the whole lot.

T.I.T.

[OZEMADE]

In Nana Plaza , 50 meter from the police station at crossing Sukhumvit - Soi 4 is the police standing NEXT to the gambling table and the horse racing machine ...every day till 2 am ... and they keep doing it ....

That's called protection.

[animatic]

It seems we have a few Chalems posting here on Thai visa getting on the banbwagon to close up the bars and get rid of what Bangkok is famous for. If you are going to post facts and figures get them right. 80 percent of the tourist coming here are not into the sex tourism thing at all as the largest group of tourist to Thailand are from China now and they come on a package deal with family. Closing down Nana, Cowboy and any other venue would not make a blip on the tourist numbers.

"Closing down Nana, Cowboy and any other venue would not make a blip on the tourist numbers."

And hardly a gnat, on a zit, on the ass, of the real Thailand prostitution numbers.

They also know that actually 'Shutting Down Thailand Prostitution',

would cause famine up country and lead to unstoppable insurrection,

and of course, for those doing it, a lurch into a state of being utterly unelectable.

Edited January 31, 2012 by animatic

[BradWalker]

I can only laugh. Prostitution and its off-shoots MADE Thailand as a tourist destination just as assuredly as gambling (and ITS offshoots-read "prostitution etc.") made Las Vegas into a world tourist destination. You think ANYONE in their right mind wants to turn off this money machine?? Yeah, I don't either.........

[JSPS]

They have been "cracking down" on drugs and illegal entertainment venues once or twice a year since the 1960s.

I think some of the BIB must see an opportunity to refill their bank accounts.

[arthurwait]

They spin this crime crackdown rubbish every single year ...year in year out. Never stops. Nothing ever changes or ever will in Thailand. Everyone knows that the cops richly profit from gambling and prostitution in Thailand which is why neither will likely be legalised...........ever.

Ever heard of a place called Pattaya. Why do you think the pollies put the new airport just a stones throw from one of the biggest and cheapest brothels in the world. Not to mention buying ,swapping and exporting isan wives

You mean suvarnabhumi airport ?

[Mosha]

April the 1st ------ again.

[furyrider]

When will you all learn Thai news. This was just an advertisement for where to go to get what you are looking for. And it came in the nick of time my meth dealer has become very unreliable.

[SPIKECM]

Deal with sex tourists? There are an estimated 2 millions prostitutes in Thailand, 95 percent of them catering to thai people.So sextourism is not an issue, statistically.It's like saying eradicate eating spaghetti among tourists visiting Italy!!!!...Furthermore what's wrong with sex tourism?Without it tourism arrival would plunge - I estimate- around 80 percent.

why dont they just make gambling legal? Like any normal country?

They should first deal with the sex tourists. That's insane

I fully agree that prostitutes cater for the local market first. But you can't deny the prevalence of sex venues for farangs in Bangkok.

And by the way, if you say that 5% of the prostitutes cater for farang (i.e. 100,000 prostitutes based on your calculation), I hardly see how it can concern 80% of the tourists coming to Thailand.

I think you can deny it. For farangs, there's three strips in the whole of Bangkok city which cater for farangs. Compare that to sexual services in its entirety in Bangkok. In Thailand as a whole farangs are involved in well less than 5% of acts of prostitution. I would think in Bangkok it would be the same. Anyway, this topic has been so well covered there's little point in going on... all I say is that I agree with the poster. The next statistic makes sense too... these girls are just plain busy!

[z12]

So which police stations can I get drugs and gamble again?

Do they also serve a cold malt beverage?

[charmonman]

Deal with sex tourists? There are an estimated 2 millions prostitutes in Thailand, 95 percent of them catering to thai people.So sextourism is not an issue, statistically.It's like saying eradicate eating spaghetti among tourists visiting Italy!!!!...Furthermore what's wrong with sex tourism?Without it tourism arrival would plunge - I estimate- around 80 percent.

why dont they just make gambling legal? Like any normal country?

They should first deal with the sex tourists. That's insane

Maybe 20 years or more ago it would have been 80%, but sex tourism for farang is a somewhat marginal thing now. Tourism might drop 10% at most. Arrivals from other parts of Asia might be more of a factor. In any case, this is all very hypothetical - gambling and drugs are what they are talking about here - it is primarily those with a Western mindset that make a big fuss about sexually orientated entertainment.

[wolf5370]

Deal with sex tourists? There are an estimated 2 millions prostitutes in Thailand, 95 percent of them catering to thai people.So sextourism is not an issue, statistically.It's like saying eradicate eating spaghetti among tourists visiting Italy!!!!...Furthermore what's wrong with sex tourism?Without it tourism arrival would plunge - I estimate- around 80 percent.

why dont they just make gambling legal? Like any normal country?

They should first deal with the sex tourists. That's insane

I fully agree that prostitutes cater for the local market first. But you can't deny the prevalence of sex venues for farangs in Bangkok.

And by the way, if you say that 5% of the prostitutes cater for farang (i.e. 100,000 prostitutes based on your calculation), I hardly see how it can concern 80% of the tourists coming to Thailand.

Erm maybe they are just the busiest 5%

...but seriously, gambling and drugs are serious problems here in the kingdom - stuff that hurts society, Thais and thus Thailand in a not inconsiderable way, I think "attacking" illegal drugs and gambling is much higher priority than prositution (I am obviously talking about consenting prostitution, not child or sex slaves). Whether "attacking" means better (huh!) enforcement or legalising, taxing and monitoring (etc), is a different discussion to priorities. The most obvious start would to make moves to ensure that politiocians and civil servants are not part of the activity nor profit by it (so will not happen)

Edited January 31, 2012 by wolf5370

[South]

Is it only me, but how in hell is Chalerm still part of this country's political scene. Not only his own personal history but that of his close family and cronies over the years would bar him from uttering any kind of political statement in any or most, if not all other non corrupt countries! (Is that an oxymoron?)

You have a person making 'x' Baht/annum and he's suddenly offered 'xxxx' amount/month for following one political persuasion to persuade him .....'What's he going to do?' He needs the money to raise/feed his family. Pennies for some but an absolute fortune for others!

Corruption/bribery at it's best!