Comparative Rating On Abhisit-Yingluck Govt

[Ricardo]

I'm not an Aussie, but that was not her explanation.

She made it quite clear that she felt the post of Prime Minister needed to be a Political office requiring national electorate legitimacy.

She made it quite clear that the Prime Minister did not have legitimacy via Parliamentary manueverings.

She therefore called an election to acquire legitimacy.

I agree with the lady, and Abhi. should have done the same.

"Abhi, should have done the same"

And equally former-PMs Samak and Somchai, who similarly led a minority-party, and only governed by forming a coalition like former-PM Abhisit ?

No Double-Standards !

[wxyz]

Yes the current 'red shirt' "electoral minority" is governing and it is appalling.

The 'red shirts' got a minority of the voting Thais and if you include those eligible to vote, they are even more of a minority.

So yes, the Thais should be appalled at this "electoral minority" government.

Don't have at my fingertips, the number of Parliamentary seats the PTP and affiliates earned via a national election, as compared to the Opposition.

That should shed some light on your comments WXYZ

500 seats.

PTP : 265 seats

Dem : 159 seats

And a minority of the Thai votes, makes them a minority government as far as the Thai voters are concerned.

265 seats compared to 159 seats via a national, popular election....A minority Govt?

I don't think so.

Receiving less than 50% from the Thai voters is a minority government by anybodies definition.

I doubt you would call the DEMs a majority government had they received less than 50% of the Thai votes.

Edited February 6, 2012 by wxyz

[whybother]

You keep bringing Gillard up in regard to her calling elections, but she only called election 3 months before they were required. An Australian government rarely goes full term, so her calling elections a couple of months early was nothing out of the ordinary.

I'm not an Aussie, but that was not her explanation.

She made it quite clear that she felt the post of Prime Minister needed to be a Political office requiring national electorate legitimacy.

She made it quite clear that the Prime Minister did not have legitimacy via Parliamentary manueverings.

She therefore called an election to acquire legitimacy.

I agree with the lady, and Abhi. should have done the same.

Regardless of what "her explanation" was, the fact is, she would have had to call an election within a short time anyway.

Maybe if the PTP had called an election after the PPP were disbanded rather than going to parliament to try to elect a new PM, Abhisit would never have needed to make the choice. As it was, the PTP decided that an election wasn't needed, and Abhisit took that cue.

[whybother]

Receiving less than 50% from the Thai voters is a minority government by anybodies definition.

I doubt you would call the DEMs a majority government had they received less than 50% of the Thai votes.

A "minority government" is only in relation to seats gained. A "minority vote" means that they can't use "the Thai people gave us a mandate" sort of stuff.

[philw]

Receiving less than 50% from the Thai voters is a minority government by anybodies definition.

I doubt you would call the DEMs a majority government had they received less than 50% of the Thai votes.

A "minority government" is only in relation to seats gained. A "minority vote" means that they can't use "the Thai people gave us a mandate" sort of stuff.

Endless pedantry, this has been to death since last july...............

Can we move on please.

[scorecard]

You keep bringing Gillard up in regard to her calling elections, but she only called election 3 months before they were required. An Australian government rarely goes full term, so her calling elections a couple of months early was nothing out of the ordinary.

I'm not an Aussie, but that was not her explanation.

She made it quite clear that she felt the post of Prime Minister needed to be a Political office requiring national electorate legitimacy.

She made it quite clear that the Prime Minister did not have legitimacy via Parliamentary manueverings.

She therefore called an election to acquire legitimacy.

I agree with the lady, and Abhi. should have done the same.

Regardless of what "her explanation" was, the fact is, she would have had to call an election within a short time anyway.

Maybe if the PTP had called an election after the PPP were disbanded rather than going to parliament to try to elect a new PM, Abhisit would never have needed to make the choice. As it was, the PTP decided that an election wasn't needed, and Abhisit took that cue.

So Cargyll, why didn't samak and somachai do the same?

[scorecard]

The redshirts are now a part of the government and have to behave.

Agree with most of what you posted geriatrickid, but would like to add a comment to above.

One must keep in mind what spawned the Red Shirt Movement.....namely the Coup.

It took 'em a while to organize, but organize they did.

When public outrage is real, things happen spontaneously and quickly, and require very little organisation. You only have to look at similar incidents around the world, to see what happens when the people genuinely turn, when people are genuinely up in arms. Had Thais felt this way about the coup, the reaction would have started on the 19th September 2006, and you would have seen it on the streets right there and then. The fact was, the vast majority of Thais felt indifferently. They did nothing. They stayed at home. Those who did go out, handed out flowers.

So, how do you explain all the time it took for any major protests regarding the coup to occur? I'll give you my explanation, then you perhaps can offer yours? Thaksin and his friends needed a cause to claim to be fighting for, that was noble. How can you possibly garner support outside of those who you can influence with money, if all you are really fighting for is money and power.

The coup in 2006 was something that people had every right to protest against, but they didn't; they never have. To believe otherwise is to believe in a facade.

I'll give you my explanation, then you perhaps can offer yours?

You may be right. The part about anti-coup protests being spantaneous and immediate in many cases.

But not in this case.

Those whose elected Govt. was stolen were slow to anger. But when they got their shit together, the politicization that occurred was an unintended consquence that the coup perps have come to regret.

They tried to ignore it at first.....the ever growing Red Shirt rallies were plentiful and frequent outside Bangkok. They went unreported by the BKK. centric media which may lead one to conclude that the anti-coup reaction was non-existent and slower than it actually was. The media avoiding reporting on these growing rallies mislead many people to presume that the coup was a fait accompli. It most assuredly was not.

When the rallies began to hit BKK, and the media could no longer maintain the black-out on them, it surprised the hell out of many.

And then R'song happened. Again the unelected and coup originated Govt. tried to ignore these people out of existence, resulting in the thing dragging on and on.

When finally forced to acknowledge the thing, the unelected Govt finally had to talk, with the following sequence occuring:

>made a 'mafia offer' Meaning it could not be refused

>An offer is not an agreement, but an 'offer' is an invitation for four responses:

1. Acceptance

2. rejection

3. counter-offer

4. acceptance with modification - This fourth option was chosen by the UDD/RS

>Given that it was a 'mafia' offer subject to only response #1, the military onslaught commenced

All of the above was anti-coup.

To suggest that the coup was accepted is untrue.

The bit about all of this being a facade is most denigrating to all those who have lived this struggle.

They were finally rewarded with the electoral plurality they knew was being denied them by an unelected minority

That is my take in a nutshell Rixalex.

What spawned the redshirts was Thaskins need for a protest group to oppose the yellowshirts, to add ligitamacy to his claim of mass support they werent some group who spontaneous formed to protest against the coup. As such the redshirts werent slow to anger, they only protested when their paymaster paid them to. The last and most deadliest protest was about the consification of Thaskins funds gained through corruption

From Waza: "What spawned the redshirts was Thaskins need for a protest group to oppose the yellowshirts, to add ligitamacy to his claim of mass support they werent some group who spontaneous formed to protest against the coup. As such the redshirts werent slow to anger, they only protested when their paymaster paid them to."

Agree with the above, and with strong emphahis on "....they only protested when their paymaster paid them to."

Plus lets please keep in mind the rabid vote buying and manipulation of the Essan and Norther Thailand people by thaksin and his immoral get rich quick cronies, up to the start of the paid protests, and of course the same manipulation still continues.

And before you say it, yes all parties engage in vote buying and that's not OK, The paymaster rewrote the book on this subject with no shame.

Claims about 'their elected government stolen from them' are total rubbish. Abhisit came to the PMs seat through process laid out clearly in Thai law and you know it Cargyll. Why didn't they object to this when samak and somachai came to the PMs seat through the same process?

From Cargyll: "The bit about all of this being a facade is most denigrating to all those who have lived this struggle."

I agree it was / is a fascade, or my own word is 'smokescreen' and the person who should be most ashamed of his actions in all of this is Thaksin. He has used and abused millions of Thais for his own nasty ruthless immorals aims, and he should be publically shamed, he should be in jail for at least the matter he has been convicted of* and should be before the international courts for his abuse of human rights. (* and please don'y say that his conviction was politically motivated. He openly knowingly broke a serious long standing good governance / abuse of power law.)

And I hasten to add, I have every respect for the people who have been abused by this man and his cronies and I am persoannly saddened by their losses which didn't need to happen, and would not have happened except for the nasty

self serving immoral actions of one man.

Edited February 6, 2012 by scorecard

[CalgaryII]

"....they only protested when their paymaster paid them to."

I suppose people who have never been near a Red Shirt or rally, could easily be convinced of this, but it is merely derogatory opinionating by the Opposition. People who cannot conceive of anyone not buying into their hegemony on political power. Power which they can only achieve via non-electoral means.

Trying to deprive these thousands upon thousands who rallied, gave their all at R'song, and finally won the election that the Opposition tried to avoid, of political motivation beyond what money can buy, stretches credulity.

To dismiss these political forces as being devoid of political awareness is ignorant, but mostly arrogant.

And very disrespectful of the Thai electorate who want democratic elections to select their Governors, and not otherwise.

"Plus lets please keep in mind the rabid vote buying and manipulation"

The political scourge of Thailand.

But on the other hand, to denigrate opposing political forces, through self-righteous indignation proclaiming that they are pure, and those dastardly opposing forces are the culprits, also stretched credulity.

".........cronies"

This word comes up frequently to denigrate political appointees by the Govt., characterizing those they have an electoral right to appoint.

After Abhi. was hoisted into place, he appointed like-minded people to serve his Govt., including the likes of kasit.

These were not cronies. He had the right to select and appoint whom he wanted, regardless how he arrived at his own station.

In all Democracies, when there is a change of Government, the political broom sweeps through the ranks of the politically defeated, to be replaced by the political victors.

Using the word cronies to describe them is as incorrect for Abhi. as it is for Ms. Y.

[Buchholz]

And very disrespectful of the Thai electorate

anti-Red = anti-Thai

nonsensical rhetoric

reminiscent of an earlier philw's observation

this has been to death since last july...............

Can we move on please.

[scorecard]

"....they only protested when their paymaster paid them to."

I suppose people who have never been near a Red Shirt or rally, could easily be convinced of this, but it is merely derogatory opinionating by the Opposition. People who cannot conceive of anyone not buying into their hegemony on political power. Power which they can only achieve via non-electoral means.

Trying to deprive these thousands upon thousands who rallied, gave their all at R'song, and finally won the election that the Opposition tried to avoid, of political motivation beyond what money can buy, stretches credulity.

To dismiss these political forces as being devoid of political awareness is ignorant, but mostly arrogant.

And very disrespectful of the Thai electorate who want democratic elections to select their Governors, and not otherwise.

"Plus lets please keep in mind the rabid vote buying and manipulation"

The political scourge of Thailand.

But on the other hand, to denigrate opposing political forces, through self-righteous indignation proclaiming that they are pure, and those dastardly opposing forces are the culprits, also stretched credulity.

".........cronies"

This word comes up frequently to denigrate political appointees by the Govt., characterizing those they have an electoral right to appoint.

After Abhi. was hoisted into place, he appointed like-minded people to serve his Govt., including the likes of kasit.

These were not cronies. He had the right to select and appoint whom he wanted, regardless how he arrived at his own station.

In all Democracies, when there is a change of Government, the political broom sweeps through the ranks of the politically defeated, to be replaced by the political victors.

Using the word cronies to describe them is as incorrect for Abhi. as it is for Ms. Y.

Cargyll, your attemt at spin an deflection fails miserably.

[CalgaryII]

Cargyll, your attemt at spin an deflection fails miserably.

I don't mind taking my chances with other readers, and to let them be the judge of that Scorecard.

BTW, in an earlier Post I mentioned the media blackout of all UDD/RS rallies that were numerous and huge before R'song, outside BKK.

This had the effect of lulling Coup perps. into thinking their coup was a fait accompli - hence there amazement at the tenacity of the R'song. protest.

This is continuing to happen.

Last night there was a huge, and I mean huge UDD/RS rally in Samut Prakarn. Had the PAD been able to generate a similiar event, the media would have been touting it as an indication of huge citizen opposition to Govt, and would have been all over the newspapers.

But in the instance of a UDD/RS event......nothing.

Unless I missed it somewhere.

[scorecard]

Cargyll, your attemt at spin an deflection fails miserably.

I don't mind taking my chances with other readers, and to let them be the judge of that Scorecard.

BTW, in an earlier Post I mentioned the media blackout of all UDD/RS rallies that were numerous and huge before R'song, outside BKK.

This had the effect of lulling Coup perps. into thinking their coup was a fait accompli - hence there amazement at the tenacity of the R'song. protest.

This is continuing to happen.

Last night there was a huge, and I mean huge UDD/RS rally in Samut Prakarn. Had the PAD been able to generate a similiar event, the media would have been touting it as an indication of huge citizen opposition to Govt, and would have been all over the newspapers.

But in the instance of a UDD/RS event......nothing.

Unless I missed it somewhere.

Sorry, how come none of these massive rallies outside of Bkk and before rajaraprasong and last night have never been mentioned.

Who are you suggesting 'ordered' the suppression of this 'news', and if it was suppressed the suppression didn't get some mention in the mainstream press?

There are a couple of Bkk based quite large circulation newspapers, been in existence for decades, and who are sympathetic to thaksin, are you saying they didn't report these 'events' ?

Not convinced at all.

And I'll add a bit more to some earlier words I wrote about the big Bkk rallies last year and how genuine they were.

During these rallies most of the numerous food vendors (who I respect) in my soi went to every rally they could possible attend, then bragged openly, again and again, about how much money they were receiving / accumulating.

On one occasion one of the food vendors gave my Thai adult son a CD ROM (the guy had multiple copies to hand out), which included the doctored versions of a speech by abhisit. The food vendor mentioned that the (doctored) 'clip' of abhisit was played on the rally big screen that day. And this was well after the police and other experts agreed that the tape had been doctored.

During this time period many people, from my soi, asked the food vendors to share the reason for the rally / what they had learned that day etc., etc. No answers, not even attempts at answers, because they couldn't answer, because in reality they had no understanding of what it was all about.

And by the way, my home in Bkk was just 1 kilometre away from one of the red barrricades and about 2 kilometres away from several more red barricades.

Cronies! Sure they are part of all Thai political parties and in most political parties world wide. Still an applicable word.

Edited February 6, 2012 by scorecard

[scorecard]

Calgaryll may be a new member baseball boy, but his views are as valid as yours. Just because he doesn't parrot your views doesn't make him any less of a forum member. Stuff that in your database and smoke it!

Why so much anger nothing was said about him not being less a member.

No anger, just don't like the sneers.

But there is the possibility that with some further and deeper research Cargyll might perhaps (up to him) see things a little differently. Ultimately, of course, he's entitled to believe whatever he wants.

On the other hand I strongly dispute a lot of what he has said over the last couple of day and I suggest there is plenty of evidence to disprove a lot of what he espouses..

[waza]

Calgaryll may be a new member baseball boy, but his views are as valid as yours. Just because he doesn't parrot your views doesn't make him any less of a forum member. Stuff that in your database and smoke it!

Why so much anger nothing was said about him not being less a member.

No anger, just don't like the sneers.

But there is the possibility that with some further and deeper research Cargyll might perhaps (up to him) see things a little differently. Ultimately, of course, he's entitled to believe whatever he wants.

On the other hand I strongly dispute a lot of what he has said over the last couple of day and I suggest there is plenty of evidence to disprove a lot of what he espouses..

I get the feeling Cargyll et al, dont do any research they just parrot what they read on Amsterdam,s web site.

[CalgaryII]

During these rallies most of the numerous food vendors (

who I respect

) in my soi went to every rally they could possible attend, then bragged openly, again and again, about how much money they were receiving / accumulating.

My experience does not corroberate this perspective.

The fund raisng that these people did locally was massive.

Everything from raffling off gold necklaces, selling tables at events, 50-50 tickets at events, hat-in-hand to local businesses, etc.

To malign there people by suggesting they were political idiots, with no motive other than a few baht to live on the street for weeks on end to oppose the theft of their Govt. via a coup, is disrespectful of thousands of well-meaning people who became thoroughly politicised.

It is such denigration that caused dismissal of their claims to political equity, is arrogant and does no good.

It is those people who reacted to such arrogance in the last election.

Cronies! Sure they are part of all Thai political parties and in most political parties world wide. Still an applicable word

No problem.

As long as it is applied to both sides of the political divide.

To suggest Abhi's appointments were honorable, and Ms. Y's were cronies is not right.

[CalgaryII]

But there is the possibility that with some further and deeper research Cargyll might perhaps (up to him) see things a little differently. Ultimately, of course, he's entitled to believe whatever he wants.

Same applies to you Scorecard. I hope I have given you and others some food-for-thought.

A appreciate you reading my posts and your reactions.

Political discussions among political junkies is fun, and disagreement is what 'greases the wheel"

On the other hand I strongly dispute a lot of what he has said over the last couple of day and I suggest there is plenty of evidence to disprove a lot of what he espouses.

But in your heart of hearts, you know I am right, don't you Scorecard!

Just joking!

[waza]

I was at the demonstrations and I noticed there were 2 types of protestors. One group was out during the day, these were the families and older people, they were kind, friendly and polite, I feel these were true believers but in the end they were used as cannon fodder. The second group slept in the central carpark all day and came out in the evening, the hard core redshirts, mainly males, they were the violent aggressive ones, the true paid Thaskinites. Now we have a third type of redshirts the Amsterdam propagandists

[philw]

And very disrespectful of the Thai electorate

anti-Red = anti-Thai

nonsensical rhetoric

reminiscent of an earlier philw's observation

this has been to death since last july...............

Can we move on please.

I'm flattered...........

[CalgaryII]

I was at the demonstrations and I noticed there were 2 types of protestors. One group was out during the day, these were the families and older people, they were kind, friendly and polite, I feel these were true believers but in the end they were used as cannon fodder. The second group slept in the central carpark all day and came out in the evening, the hard core redshirts, mainly males, they were the violent aggressive ones, the true paid Thaskinites. Now we have a third type of redshirts the Amsterdam propagandists

If those were your observations Waza, you weren't at the demonstrations.

To denigrate demonstrators against an undemocratic coup, is perhaps an indication of limited Democracy appreciation.

To diminish politicized people from whom their elected Govt. was stolen, and who stood up to it, by characterizing them as simpleton 'cannon fodder', while applauding the coup perps, is not good.

I suppose true believers could be considered 'hard core'. Although it has negative connotations. Given that characterization, I suppose we could consider many on the other side of the political divide as "hard core" also.

It is OK to have strong political convictions without derogatory descriptors..

Referencing violence and aggressiveness when depicting those who stood up to coup perps and their armed might, brings up the question of what came first, the chicken or the egg.

I'll let you wrestle with that one.

Edited February 6, 2012 by metisdead
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[siampolee]

Indeed you set yourself up as a social expert and even claim to be specialist in Thai political matters however you would do well to remember., ' the expert knows very little about a great deal, whilst a specialist knows a great deal about very little.'

Which hat are you wearing today?

As you are not a Thai national Calgary / mannedrake, why are you intent on becoming involved in political matters in a country that you are a temporary resident of ?

The local customs and political machinations are in reality nothing to do with you or I for that matter, although I do have interests here and of course my family too.

You comment elsewhere and claim to be an expert on the Taiwan situation as told to you by your ex partner, one can only presume you are actually espousing your current partners views, plainly no mind of your own .

Why not return to your own country and play Che Guevara there whilst stirring the pot politically ?

Mind you there if you throw stones at others who disagree with you you'll end up in trouble won't you ?

Edited February 6, 2012 by siampolee

[CalgaryII]

As you are not a Thai national Calgary / mannedrake, why are you intent on becoming involved in political matters in a country that you are a temporary resident of ?

You comment elsewhere and claim to be an expert on the Taiwan situation as told to you by your ex partner

Sorry Siampole, I'm not that person.

I know nothing about 'Mandrake, Taiwan or ex-partners"

But I would like to note however, that I agree with you about us being inconsequential Farangs when it comes to Thai Politics.

I defend my spouting off on Thai political matters due to being an inveterate Political Junkie.

And spouting off is what political junkies do.

I know my place here, and have no illusions about the fact that my opinions dont amount to a hill of beans.

If only I could straighten out all those Farangs though. dam_n that is difficult

[philw]

And very disrespectful of the Thai electorate

anti-Red = anti-Thai

nonsensical rhetoric

reminiscent of an earlier philw's observation

this has been to death since last july...............

Can we move on please.

Bucholz, i want to take you up on this.

You are, I guess, time served US military and I presumably a person of honour, so please can you point to any post or statement of mine where I equate being anti red to anti Thai ??

Your statement being "anti-Red = anti-Thai"

I challenge you to substantiate and justify your assertion and its implications OR apologise for your dishonest, unfair and quite despicable innuendo.

Which will you do on a public forum where your credibility is observed by many ??

[ianf]

A comparative study between Democratically elected Govts. would be more informative.

Considering that a military, coup installed Govt. owes its' allegiance to those who positioned them, their priorities would reflect it.

Whereas the current Ms. Y. Govt owes its' allegiance to the electorate. Her policies would reflect that electorate, as would other previous Govts. who came to power the same, democratic way.

Alternatively, it would be interesting to compare Thai Govts which were elected, vs. those who were 'coup'ed" into place.

I think you have made an error. The Abhisit Government was not installed by the coup makers. This is a myth propagated by the reds to suit their own purposes but not at all true.

I know the majority electoral block in the country disagrees with this "myth" claim and can pursuasively argue that the coup makers were behind him being hoisted in one way or another. But to avoid the nitty-grities of that debate, lets' just get to the bottom line.

He was not elected in a national election.

The moment he exposed himself to the national electorate, I don't need to tell you what happened.

He really should have taken a page out of the Australian Prime Ministers MO, who was also elevated to the PM'ship via parliamentary manueverings, but who took responsibility.

She stated clearly that the Prime Minister should be elected by the people, and she promptly held an election to legitimize herself.

Sadly Thaksin has never been elected. The only time he actually stood for office, in a local election in San Khampeng, he was not elected. As an individual Abhisit WAS elected. How governments are formed is simply up to the power blocks that have been elected. The Liberal Dems in the UK were not elected as the winners, but nevertheless serve in the Government in coalition. Democratic process. Same for Abhisit. I think this is the part of the process that you simply do not understand.

[rubl]

Bucholz, i want to take you up on this.

You are, I guess, time served US military and I presumably a person of honour, so please can you point to any post or statement of mine where I equate being anti red to anti Thai ??

Your statement being "anti-Red = anti-Thai"

I challenge you to substantiate and justify your assertion and its implications OR apologise for your dishonest, unfair and quite despicable innuendo.

Which will you do on a public forum where your credibility is observed by many ??

Relax philw. I think the reference to an earlier comment of you is purely relating buchholz "nonsensical rhetoric" to your "this has been to death since last july". At least that's how I interpreted the post.

good to know normal posters understood what i said

that's reassuring.

Thanks.

As an American you should know how difficult the English language can be. Rumour has it that last 'Independence day' Sarah Palin said something like 'if we hadn't won our independence we'd all be speaking English now'

[Mosha]

A comparative study between Democratically elected Govts. would be more informative.

Considering that a military, coup installed Govt. owes its' allegiance to those who positioned them, their priorities would reflect it.

Whereas the current Ms. Y. Govt owes its' allegiance to the electorate. Her policies would reflect that electorate, as would other previous Govts. who came to power the same, democratic way.

Alternatively, it would be interesting to compare Thai Govts which were elected, vs. those who were 'coup'ed" into place.

A bought 300 Baht government I think you mean't to say

[rubl]

A comparative study between Democratically elected Govts. would be more informative.

Considering that a military, coup installed Govt. owes its' allegiance to those who positioned them, their priorities would reflect it.

Whereas the current Ms. Y. Govt owes its' allegiance to the electorate. Her policies would reflect that electorate, as would other previous Govts. who came to power the same, democratic way.

Alternatively, it would be interesting to compare Thai Govts which were elected, vs. those who were 'coup'ed" into place.

A bought 300 Baht government I think you mean't to say

I actually like the irony of the remark "Her policies would reflect that electorate". Not sure though that was really meant to be so

Edited February 6, 2012 by rubl

[Buchholz]

Bucholz, i want to take you up on this.

You are, I guess, time served US military and I presumably a person of honour, so please can you point to any post or statement of mine where I equate being anti red to anti Thai ??

Your statement being "anti-Red = anti-Thai"

I challenge you to substantiate and justify your assertion and its implications OR apologise for your dishonest, unfair and quite despicable innuendo.

Which will you do on a public forum where your credibility is observed by many ??

Relax philw. I think the reference to an earlier comment of you is purely relating buchholz "nonsensical rhetoric" to your "this has been to death since last july". At least that's how I interpreted the post.

good to know normal posters understood what i said

that's reassuring.

Thanks.

As an American you should know how difficult the English language can be. Rumour has it that last 'Independence day' Sarah Palin said something like 'if we hadn't won our independence we'd all be speaking English now'

She is ditzy.

Yes, I understand there are many nuances in English and the fact that you, as an ESL'er, correctly interpreted what I said is reassuring that I must not have been too unclear.

.

[Mosha]

Just before the election in July 2011, the two party contesting the election were asked to solve a problem in front of the cameras for the electors to decide who were the people who were the more able to lead the country.

In front of the two camps, the host fill up a bathtub with water, then show them a teaspoon, a glass and a bucket and ask them to come up with the best solution to empty the bathtub in the shortest time possible.

In the democrat side, a brainstorming is going up. The PAD suggest to start a defamation campaign in the press, the army advises the use of a sniper, BJT suggests to bribe the host. Then Abhisit, with a smile, says, thanks to his Oxford education he has the best solution. He then start talking using a lot big words to conclude that of course the bucket being the biggest container, they will use the bucket to empty the bathtub.

Then it's Yingluck turn to answer. She hang up the phone, walk to the bathtub ... and pull out the plug.

The rest is history.

_

We all saw where that water went lol

[MikeOboe57]

Just before the election in July 2011, the two party contesting the election were asked to solve a problem in front of the cameras for the electors to decide who were the people who were the more able to lead the country.

In front of the two camps, the host fill up a bathtub with water, then show them a teaspoon, a glass and a bucket and ask them to come up with the best solution to empty the bathtub in the shortest time possible.

In the democrat side, a brainstorming is going up. The PAD suggest to start a defamation campaign in the press, the army advises the use of a sniper, BJT suggests to bribe the host. Then Abhisit, with a smile, says, thanks to his Oxford education he has the best solution. He then start talking using a lot big words to conclude that of course the bucket being the biggest container, they will use the bucket to empty the bathtub.

Then it's Yingluck turn to answer. She hang up the phone, walk to the bathtub ... and pull out the plug.

The rest is history.

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We all saw where that water went lol

Ach ja, ze German sense of "Humor".

The real Yingluck, alas, was too afraid to compete with Abhisit in front of cameras.

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Got tired of deleting off topic arguments so I just sent off the two main participants for a few days.