Red Shirts Stage Anti-Coup Rally In Khao Yai

[Reasonableman]

10% of Calgaryll's fatuous and deliberately dishonest 500,000 claim. Maybe he was feeling agenized at the time.

So, exactly how many people did attend this free concert?

To answer my own question ... The post is reporting about 50,000 people attended the concert.

[janverbeem]

As with many of these Posts, one can readily see how important it is for coupists to diminish these numbers.

It is embarassing for them.

and rather frightening i should think !

And the all-out importance for anti-coupists, red-shirt supporters and just simple idiots to try to find ways to increase numbers. Isn't there any non-coupists-controlled online newspaper having reported some numbers? Are we to rely on dear Calgaryll's guestimate, do we have to wait till k. Jatuporn gets more confidential data from an American security related agency, do I have to check the videos and do counting myself

Well according to the crowd calculating formula which I posted some pages ago, and seeing from the video's posted, it seems that to host 500.000 people the concert grounds would needed to have the size of 464515.2 m².

Anyone can confirm if the grounds were anywhere this size?

[Nisa]

As for attendance, it's been noted that the post had 2 articles, one said 30,000 and another said 50,000. AFAIK The Nation has never updated their 10,000 people on the eve of the event. Posters can complain about it all they want, but it's interesting that The Nation is (so far) doing exactly as CalgaryII said they would.

Clearly there were a lot of people. 10,000 is not the right number, obviously.

For those who understand Thai well, there is a lot of footage from the stage and reporting, too. (reporter in this video around 14 minutes, for example.

The Nation only reported the numbers on the "eve" of the event. Why would they update that number and why is that number not right? Did they even do a follow-up story about the event? I don't think there was any conspiracy going on, they simply only had the numbers for the approx. number of people arriving the night before .. and 10k is pretty significant. Had it not been a free concert and people paid for tickets then we'd all know how many attended.

The Post reported 30k and then the next day revised it to 50k at the concert.

[pastitche]

I actually have nothing against having a socialist and even a communist party in Thailand but I think as one poster pointed out ... the leaders of the reds pitch a great socialist theme to the lemmings that follow them blindly but in reality their agenda is about lining their own pockets and those of big business at the expense of their followers.

So true.

So ! if any particular party appeals to you and that is the leadership you want, what do you do...........yes, clever lad, you follow it. The fact that there are so many followers only means that this is the party most desired by the people and the fact that the Dems are not after all, "Born to rule"

'Born to rule' when did the Dems say or suggest that?

'Most desired by the people', sorry but IMHO this means the party which is best at hoodwinking very large numbers of people with short-term items which have no real impact on reducing the gap.

Your opinion is meaningless when you say that PTP is best at hoodwinking. I suggest that you start thinking of why the Thai electorate prefer PTP to the Democrats. Perhaps a reasoned argument might show why you make senseless statements other than to support those of a similar disposition

[Nisa]

So, exactly how many people did attend this free concert?

To answer my own question ... The post is reporting about 50,000 people attended the concert.

10% of Calgaryll's fatuous and deliberately dishonest 500,000 claim. Maybe he was feeling agenized at the time.

They should have called Guinness because I would guess 500,000 would be a record for Thailand for largest free concert. I think that about matches the total number of people who turned out for Woodstock.

[Orac]

As with many of these Posts, one can readily see how important it is for coupists to diminish these numbers.

It is embarassing for them.

and rather frightening i should think !

And the all-out importance for anti-coupists, red-shirt supporters and just simple idiots to try to find ways to increase numbers. Isn't there any non-coupists-controlled online newspaper having reported some numbers? Are we to rely on dear Calgaryll's guestimate, do we have to wait till k. Jatuporn gets more confidential data from an American security related agency, do I have to check the videos and do counting myself

Well according to the crowd calculating formula which I posted some pages ago, and seeing from the video's posted, it seems that to host 500.000 people the concert grounds would needed to have the size of 464515.2 m².

Anyone can confirm if the grounds were anywhere this size?

The only place I can see that mentioned is in Calgarys post #34 - the crowd was a semi-circle in front of the stage reaching back about 500m which would give a crowd area of around 400,000 sq m.

[CalgaryII]

Nisa, #237

Again we are at the same crossroads. It was a concert (free)

There was some singing as there is at all these events. The previous time at bonanza in Khoa Yai, it was in fact a concert.

This time it was a political gathering for purposes stated before.

I was there, you weren't.

End of story

[CalgaryII]

So, exactly how many people did attend this free concert?

To answer my own question ... The Post is reporting about 50,000 people attended the concert.

A very reliable source

[Reasonableman]

More reliable than someone with an agenda to sell, I guess.

So, exactly how many people did attend this free concert?

To answer my own question ... The Post is reporting about 50,000 people attended the concert.

A very reliable source

[rubl]

As with many of these Posts, one can readily see how important it is for coupists to diminish these numbers.

It is embarassing for them.

and rather frightening i should think !

And the all-out importance for anti-coupists, red-shirt supporters and just simple idiots to try to find ways to increase numbers. Isn't there any non-coupists-controlled online newspaper having reported some numbers? Are we to rely on dear Calgaryll's guestimate, do we have to wait till k. Jatuporn gets more confidential data from an American security related agency, do I have to check the videos and do counting myself

Well according to the crowd calculating formula which I posted some pages ago, and seeing from the video's posted, it seems that to host 500.000 people the concert grounds would needed to have the size of 464515.2 m².

Anyone can confirm if the grounds were anywhere this size?

The Bonanza, Khao Yai resort is on 3000 rai total. The activity venue is only a small part of that ( http://thebonanzakhaoyai.com/en/events.html ). Note that some concerts there have reportedly attracted crows of 65,000 or more. The 'Big Mountain Music Festival for example ( http://bigmountainmusicfestival.com/ )

[Nisa]

Nisa, #237

Again we are at the same crossroads. It was a concert (free)

There was some singing as there is at all these events. The previous time at bonanza in Khoa Yai, it was in fact a concert.

This time it was a political gathering for purposes stated before.

I was there, you weren't.

End of story

Are you for real? It was advertised as a concert, was a concert and was reported as a concert. In fact, it was advertised as a free concert. There wasn't just singing, there were professional bands providing performances with speakers in between. No different than other political, fund raising or benefit type concerts from The Concert for Bangladesh to Live Aid.

How in the world can anybody take you serious when you are being so disingenuous?

Now ... End of story

Edited February 27, 2012 by Nisa

[Nisa]

So, exactly how many people did attend this free concert?

To answer my own question ... The Post is reporting about 50,000 people attended the concert.

A very reliable source

Please share a more reliable source. I am all ears (or eyes). I really couldn't care less if 1 person or a million showed up. It doesn't change my views in the least bit nor do I put any stock into reading into such things beyond the ability for folks to get to there.

Edited February 27, 2012 by Nisa

[Reasonableman]

The only person suggesting more than 50,000 is you. Why is that? Because of your superior objectivity?

[Reasonableman]

Such a kind word, disingenuous.

[Orac]

The only person suggesting more than 50,000 is you. Why is that? Because of your superior objectivity?

Calgary AND the Bangkok Post which also stated more than 50,000 yesterday.

[CalgaryII]

Plenty of youtube video on the rally, such as

http://youtu.be/mhBjkUuWs_k

As for attendance, it's been noted that the post had 2 articles, one said 30,000 and another said 50,000. AFAIK The Nation has never updated their 10,000 people on the eve of the event. Posters can complain about it all they want, but it's interesting that The Nation is (so far) doing exactly as CalgaryII said they would.

Clearly there were a lot of people. 10,000 is not the right number, obviously.

For those who understand Thai well, there is a lot of footage from the stage and reporting, too. (reporter in this video around 14 minutes, for example.

Lincin Park draws numbers like this at concerts in the summer. So what.

At peak stage attendance, the following characteristics were observable. I emphasize observable, and take all the other prognostications here from armchair QB' as coming from the 'unobservable crowd:

• The crowd was semi-circled in front of the stage, with about 500 meters, or 1/2 kilometer from stage to the back periphery, with shoulder-to-shoulder people.
  
• The relay screens were spaced five levels deep to reach the back of the crowd.
  
• This is not including the vast numbers of people wandering the ground
  
• Also, many were at their personal tent encampments
  

Given that, it is not unreasonable to suggest around 300,000

But I fully understand the absolute imperative for the PADites, coupists and their ilk to downgrade this attendance thing. When observing the paltry PAD gatherings, it is better to 'ostrich' this Red Shirt attendance thing.

Also, to accept the reality of these numbers, flies in the face of the denigrating, contemptuous and condescending attitude toward this dominant political block in the country. To be arrogant in the face of such overwhelming political numbers becomes untenable.

So I understand the vociforous resistance to these numbers. Made somewhat difficult without having been there, and trying to debate with a guy who was.

But never mind. You'all tried.

I will say Hi to Miss Y. for you tomorrow.

Goodnight...ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Reasonableman]

So over 50,000 suddenly means 300-500,000? Pull the other leg. A few thousand over, perhaps, but not multiples of 50k. Not double, not triple, and very very clearly not 10 times. Not complicated.

The only person suggesting more than 50,000 is you. Why is that? Because of your superior objectivity?

Calgary AND the Bangkok Post which also stated more than 50,000 yesterday.

[Orac]

So over 50,000 suddenly means 300-500,000? Pull the other leg. A few thousand over, perhaps, but not multiples of 50k. Not double, not triple, and very very clearly not 10 times. Not complicated.

The only person suggesting more than 50,000 is you. Why is that? Because of your superior objectivity?

Calgary AND the Bangkok Post which also stated more than 50,000 yesterday.

I wasn't there, nor would I want to be so can't comment on how many attended. I was just pointing out that your statement that only Calgary said there were more than 50,000 was wrong.

[animatic]

Even at the most inflated estimates the levels are not so impressive, nor of much meaniung,

other than it was a relatively successful group indoctrination session,

held within a music concert to draw more bodies and swell the 'apparent numbers'.

[Reasonableman]

Did anyone else say 52,000, or 55,000, or even 100,000? No. Did anyone besides Calgaryll say 300-500,000? No. That is end of story.

So over 50,000 suddenly means 300-500,000? Pull the other leg. A few thousand over, perhaps, but not multiples of 50k. Not double, not triple, and very very clearly not 10 times. Not complicated.

The only person suggesting more than 50,000 is you. Why is that? Because of your superior objectivity?

Calgary AND the Bangkok Post which also stated more than 50,000 yesterday.

I wasn't there, nor would I want to be so can't comment on how many attended. I was just pointing out that your statement that only Calgary said there were more than 50,000 was wrong.

[rubl]

On numbers and the guessing game, interesting article:

http://www.salon.com/2003/01/24/crowds/

[Reasonableman]

Very interesting article, Rubi. Thanks. Estimating a crowd can be highly subjective, and can be strongly influenced by the estimator trying to achieve the desired outcome. This may be conscious or unconscious. The news media reckoned on 30-50,000 (or so). One participant disagreed by a factor of 10, and came up with 300-500,000. A considerable margin of error in favor of someone with an interest in the outcome. People will have to reach their own conclusions on which is credible.

[Publicus]

Why all the shouting to "Stop the coup?"

Are they referring to a type of car?

I certainly don't see anythying military underway except for Thaksin's new command bunker controlled by Thaksin's family and friends in various uniforms.

It's the same old Thaksin formula of mix and stir.

[TAWP]

Please note ! the yellow shirts did not need to pay each other, they are mostly rich well off businessmen and have already got plenty of money and power over the masses. However its worth noting , that they gave the army a massive increase in budget as a reward for handing them government...........and guess what , it was'nt even their own bloody money. It is also worth noting that when the redshirts won the elections with a massive majority, one of the first things they did was to reduce this big army "back hander" = Money back to the people !

In an old office most of the staff was pro Yellow. They made salaries in the range of 20 - 40k/m. They were not rich not held any power over others.

Your slander of them is unjust and unwarranted.

[tlansford]

Scouse Tommy, #20 above

How do you think the type of person who attended that concert yesterday are going to vote? They will vote the way they are told to vote. Its pseudo-democracy, that employs effective brain washing techniques. All to bring about the return of a virtual dictator!

What is that I have been saying about arrogant, Oppositional types contemptuously dismissing the political motives of the largest political block in the country, while political realities sidelines them for such self-importance demeanor.

These Posts keep confirming it.

Except the Red Shirts are by far not the bigest political block in the country.

Just one of the loudest and the most violent one.

Which political block is bigger? I think you're off base on that one, Animatic.

The non-aligned majority is much larger than any of the large 2 R/Y blocks.

If you take the non-aligned Thai voters as a political block, then we can agree on that.

But I had assumed you were talking about people in a political block which is active in politics.

[animatic]

name='CalgaryII' timestamp='1330248985' post='5089445'

Scouse Tommy, #20 above

How do you think the type of person who attended that concert yesterday are going to vote? They will vote the way they are told to vote. Its pseudo-democracy, that employs effective brain washing techniques. All to bring about the return of a virtual dictator!

What is that I have been saying about arrogant, Oppositional types contemptuously dismissing the political motives of the largest political block in the country, while political realities sidelines them for such self-importance demeanor.

These Posts keep confirming it.

Except the Red Shirts are by far not the bigest political block in the country.

Just one of the loudest and the most violent one.

Which political block is bigger? I think you're off base on that one, Animatic.

The non-aligned majority is much larger than any of the large 2 R/Y blocks.

If you take the non-aligned Thai voters as a political block, then we can agree on that.

But I had assumed you were talking about people in a political block which is active in politics.

Everyone MUST vote, they are all active when the vote goes down.

Just because they are not protesting loudly, doesn't mean they are

not part of a large segment or block of the body politic.

[Theoutsider]

In a country with so many coups, is it no wonder that people are worried about another one happening.

I know people on this fourm go on about good coup and want another but is that not un democratic?

We all know what happened last time they where elected by the people.

[tlansford]

- sniper -

Which political block is bigger? I think you're off base on that one, Animatic.

The non-aligned majority is much larger than any of the large 2 R/Y blocks.

If you take the non-aligned Thai voters as a political block, then we can agree on that.

But I had assumed you were talking about people in a political block which is active in politics.

Everyone MUST vote, they are all active when the vote goes down.

Just because they are not protesting loudly, doesn't mean they are

not part of a large segment or block of the body politic.

you're funny

[nurofiend]

He's back.

Even inflated numbers means nothing in a population of 70 million.

Stuff as many red shirt clowns as you want into your clown car, it doesn't matter. Communism is a dead horse.

Dismissing this political block is done at the Opposition's peril.

That is why they are sitting on the political, electoral sidelines where they belong.

Until an inclusive mentality takes over by all political sectors, only elections will keep order, relegating the minority, and elevating the majority into governance.

Not complicated.

The next flood will flush the red cult out to sea.

Be an independent thinker, fail to do so at your peril.

"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." George S. Patton

Be an independent thinker, fail to do so at your peril.

"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." George S. Patton

ha... the ironing is delicious

[nurofiend]

As for attendance, it's been noted that the post had 2 articles, one said 30,000 and another said 50,000. AFAIK The Nation has never updated their 10,000 people on the eve of the event. Posters can complain about it all they want, but it's interesting that The Nation is (so far) doing exactly as CalgaryII said they would.

Clearly there were a lot of people. 10,000 is not the right number, obviously.

For those who understand Thai well, there is a lot of footage from the stage and reporting, too. (reporter in this video around 14 minutes, for example.

Was it 10,000 or 30,000 or 50,000? Take your pick according to your preference. But hey, why not go with Calgaryll's reported 500,000 (+/- 200,000)?

point is, ye would have just gone along with the 10,000 like a lot of people... at least if calgaryll's wrong (which i believe he's at least being generous or maybe it seemed like more when at it)...but the point is he's not writing for a mass produced newspaper is he??

they're putting out this BS for many people to read.

it's propaganda, and unusually it's propaganda attempting to reduce fear rather than spread it

personally looking at the clip tiansford posted, it looks like it easily goes past the 100,000 mark.