Red Shirts Stage Anti-Coup Rally In Khao Yai

[CalgaryII]

Be fearful when there are pro-government protests when there are no anti-government protests happening.

You are obviously talking to coupists, and on that score you are very correct.

If not before, yesterday's event should drive home the point.

Edited February 26, 2012 by CalgaryII

[ratcatcher]

How many did Jatuporn claiom would turn up - 100'000 + ?

Maybe they weren't paying out enough.

What good is money if you can't buy democracy with it?

To reduce the motivations of these people to attend an event of this magnitude to money and not political awareness and objectives, is some more conceited, arrogant ipinionating by Oppositional elements. Who claim unto themselves as being the only purveyors of pure and valid political thinking.

And such arrogance rightfully puts them on the sidelines

I think it's wonderful that the Chemise Rouge held their rally and concert in Khao Yai Park.

I'm not personally concerned with the politics but where in the name of Thaksin do 10,000+ people evacuate their bowels? That would require a convoy of porta potties surely.

OR http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/535825-excrement-vacuum-truck-of-pheu-thai-mps-relative-stolen/

And don't say they are "all full of shit".

[CalgaryII]

This country is rapidly becoming like a communist state. Where all are created equal but some are more equal than others.

Very sad that most of these red supporters can't see the bigger picture Toxsin has in store for them.

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Well communist state?

I kind of Thailand home brew communism, with only the disadvantages. I can't see any of the positive things of communism at the red movement....

It is more like a right-wing dictatorship movement with some red color and retro slogans added.

An Oppositional parroting comment, from someone never near Red Shirts to know the facts.

But is it innocent or agenized anti-Red Shirt stuff.

That I can only speculate about.

[CalgaryII]

Ricardo, #19^

If even the military-junta appointed-government can offer a referendum, to change the Constitution, then I'd hope that any elected-government would at-least match that same level of democracy.

No level of Democracy is being matched.

Anything perpetrated by a coup administration was not Democratic.

When current Const. Reform referendum is done, it will be a first-time democratic exercise.

In this instance only comparing the coup 2006 aftermath to the present.

Nitirat proposals recognize this fact, and is why the coupists are so opposed to them.

"Progress towards democracy, and helping raise-the-level of the poor or under-educated"

A little bit of the Oppositional arrogance coming through.

Paternalistically patting these poor souls on the head, while those "poor souls" relegated them to the political wilderness, is somewhat amusing.

Reminds me of the investigator Colombo, toying with those who considered themselves so superior. The superior types didn't have a clue, as does this aloof Opposition.

Edited February 26, 2012 by CalgaryII

[ratcatcher]

This country is rapidly becoming like a communist state. Where all are created equal but some are more equal than others.

Very sad that most of these red supporters can't see the bigger picture Toxsin has in store for them.

Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com

Well communist state?

I kind of Thailand home brew communism, with only the disadvantages. I can't see any of the positive things of communism at the red movement....

It is more like a right-wing dictatorship movement with some red color and retro slogans added.

An Oppositional parroting comment, from someone never near Red Shirts to know the facts.

But is it innocent or agenized anti-Red Shirt stuff.

That I can only speculate about.

I am curious as to which of these two words you really mean?

agendized

agenized

[rixalex]

To reduce the motivations of these people to attend an event of this magnitude to money and not political awareness and objectives, is some more conceited, arrogant ipinionating by Oppositional elements. Who claim unto themselves as being the only purveyors of pure and valid political thinking.

And such arrogance rightfully puts them on the sidelines

Your delusion that "political interest" and participation at events such as the one you attended is not to a large degree driven by personal reward or the future potential for it, but driven by some sort of selfless altruistic desire for the betterment of the whole country and for the advancement of democracy, puts you way beyond the sidelines and into cloud cuckoo land.

You call yourself a political junkie but where i come from we don't describe extreme sycophants who are dedicated to one group and who can only see one side of the debate, by this term. Stop flattering yourself and take a good hard look at what you really are.

[ianf]

When you look at these frightening illiterate masses being manipulated in this way there is only one word that comes to mind: Fascism. This is so disgusting.

[ianf]

Ricardo, #19^

If even the military-junta appointed-government can offer a referendum, to change the Constitution, then I'd hope that any elected-government would at-least match that same level of democracy.

No level of Democracy is being matched.

Anything perpetrated by a coup administration was not Democratic.

When current Const. Reform referendum is done, it will be a first-time democratic exercise.

In this instance only comparing the coup 2006 aftermath to the present.

Nitirat proposals recognize this fact, and is why the coupists are so opposed to them.

"Progress towards democracy, and helping raise-the-level of the poor or under-educated"

A little bit of the Oppositional arrogance coming through.

Paternalistically patting these poor souls on the head, while those "poor souls" relegated them to the political wilderness, is somewhat amusing.

Reminds me of the investigator Colombo, toying with those who considered themselves so superior. The superior types didn't have a clue, as does this aloof Opposition.

What does all that mean Calgaryll?

[animatic]

I see the semi-employed purveyor of propaganda sound bites for the Thaksin cause

hasn't let up a bit.

If you agree with me you are honorable...

but can't think for yourself

if you don't agree with me you are dishonorable

by not believing the brainwashing.

The answer against the premise actually makes the argument stronger.

Epic Fail. The damned hampster hasn't taken the day.

Edited February 26, 2012 by animatic

[JAG]

A referendum right now would be democratic and fair....... but not in Thailand at the moment. How do you think the type of person who attended that concert yesterday are going to vote? They will vote the way they are told to vote. Its pseudo-democracy, that employs effective brain washing techniques. All to bring about the return of a virtual dictator!

I agree with some of the posts above, i find it a little bit worrying that we are hearing absolutely nothing from the rival colours. At least if they held a small rally and spewed some rhetoric they would be sticking to form. The silence is a little bit ominous!

You have just explained why so many Thais turn up at these rallies. If I may paraphrase, democracy, voting, referenda etc are all to the good, but not whilst people may vote for the wrong result!

Obviously the sort of people who turn up at these rallies should not be allowed to vote. Then we may end up with the correct result!

Edited February 26, 2012 by JAG

[animatic]

To reduce the motivations of these people to attend an event of this magnitude to money and not political awareness and objectives, is some more conceited, arrogant ipinionating by Oppositional elements. Who claim unto themselves as being the only purveyors of pure and valid political thinking.

And such arrogance rightfully puts them on the sidelines

Your delusion that "political interest" and participation at events such as the one you attended is not to a large degree driven by personal reward or the future potential for it, but driven by some sort of selfless altruistic desire for the betterment of the whole country and for the advancement of democracy, puts you way beyond the sidelines and into cloud cuckoo land.

You call yourself a political junkie but where i come from we don't describe extreme sycophants who are dedicated to one group and who can only see one side of the debate, by this term. Stop flattering yourself and take a good hard look at what you really are.

Is there a job description called ' Profesional Delusionist'?

Addicted. HUH, there are other words for it.

Edited February 26, 2012 by animatic

[animatic]

Ricardo, #19^

If even the military-junta appointed-government can offer a referendum, to change the Constitution, then I'd hope that any elected-government would at-least match that same level of democracy.

No level of Democracy is being matched.

Anything perpetrated by a coup administration was not Democratic.

When current Const. Reform referendum is done, it will be a first-time democratic exercise.

In this instance only comparing the coup 2006 aftermath to the present.

Nitirat proposals recognize this fact, and is why the coupists are so opposed to them.

"Progress towards democracy, and helping raise-the-level of the poor or under-educated"

A little bit of the Oppositional arrogance coming through.

Paternalistically patting these poor souls on the head, while those "poor souls" relegated them to the political wilderness, is somewhat amusing.

Reminds me of the investigator Colombo, toying with those who considered themselves so superior. The superior types didn't have a clue, as does this aloof Opposition.

What does all that mean Calgaryll?

A city in Alberta western Canada

Pretty much in the middle of know where.

http://maps.google.co.th/maps?pq=calgary+2&hl=en&gs_nf=1&cp=7&gs_id=6&xhr=t&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=973&bih=645&bs=1&q=calgary&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x537170039f843fd5:0x266d3bb1b652b63a,Calgary,+AB,+Canada&gl=th&ei=rvxJT4mHOIvKrAfksdGoDw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=2&sqi=2&ved=0CDwQ8gEwAQ

[CalgaryII]

Scouse Tommy, #20 above

How do you think the type of person who attended that concert yesterday are going to vote? They will vote the way they are told to vote. Its pseudo-democracy, that employs effective brain washing techniques. All to bring about the return of a virtual dictator!

What is that I have been saying about arrogant, Oppositional types contemptuously dismissing the political motives of the largest political block in the country, while political realities sidelines them for such self-importance demeanor.

These Posts keep confirming it.

[CalgaryII]

I actually have nothing against having a socialist and even a communist party in Thailand but I think as one poster pointed out ... the leaders of the reds pitch a great socialist theme to the lemmings that follow them blindly but in reality their agenda is about lining their own pockets and those of big business at the expense of their followers.

For Oppositional elements to reduce their political opposition to such simplicity is done at their own peril.

And yes, there they sit on the political sidelines as a result.

Perilous indeed.

Edited February 26, 2012 by CalgaryII

[CalgaryII]

"Peaceful Protesters, Not Terrorists" are more likely to wear T-shirts with the image of Ghandi

Anti-coup protesters, who after that booted the coupists and elected Thaland's Government.

Not bad for beginners brought into being by those coupists in the first place.

I bet many are rouing that day in 2006 when they conceived of the coup.

Their political life never has been, and never will be again be according to their self-perceived hereditary right to rule.

An unintended consequence of immense proportions.

[CalgaryII]

A referendum right now would be democratic and fair....... but not in Thailand at the moment. How do you think the type of person who attended that concert yesterday are going to vote? They will vote the way they are told to vote. Its pseudo-democracy, that employs effective brain washing techniques. All to bring about the return of a virtual dictator!

I agree with some of the posts above, i find it a little bit worrying that we are hearing absolutely nothing from the rival colours. At least if they held a small rally and spewed some rhetoric they would be sticking to form. The silence is a little bit ominous!

They will vote the way they are told paid to vote.

Arrogance and contemptuousness knows no bounds.

Political inclusion may be the way to go, if the elite can bring themselves to diminish themselves, and elevate their political opposites to a rough equilibrium.

But that is asking a lot, so they wil reside on the political sidelines for the foreseeable future.

[Siripon]

I had to laugh at Kwanchai's words about unity. Only last month I translated an interview of his and put it on Thai Visa, he belittled the UDD leaders in Bangkok, saying they were not in touch with the grassroots,they weren't down to earth like he was.He stressed how he was organising an Issan federation of red shirts, he really sounded like a feudal lord, boasting how he could rally thousands with one blow of a whistle. I don't think he even mentioned democracy, just how he much he misses Thaksin who by the way, didn't look very well on the phone-in.

[CalgaryII]

I actually have nothing against having a socialist and even a communist party in Thailand but I think as one poster pointed out ... the leaders of the reds pitch a great socialist theme to the lemmings that follow them blindly but in reality their agenda is about lining their own pockets and those of big business at the expense of their followers.

So true.

So wrong.

[rubl]

Interesting some seem to think almost half the Thai population was present during this year's concert in Bonanza, Khao Yai.

From last year, similar photos, estimate 20,000:

2011-03-26

On Saturday night until the early hours of Sunday morning, the mainly pro-Thaksin red shirts/UDD held a concert at Bonanza at Khao Yai, around three hours northeast of Bangkok. Some video of the event are here. According to Matichon, police estimated the crowd was about 20,000.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-580268

[Nacho]

Ricardo, #19^

If even the military-junta appointed-government can offer a referendum, to change the Constitution, then I'd hope that any elected-government would at-least match that same level of democracy.

No level of Democracy is being matched.

Anything perpetrated by a coup administration was not Democratic.

When current Const. Reform referendum is done, it will be a first-time democratic exercise.

In this instance only comparing the coup 2006 aftermath to the present.

Nitirat proposals recognize this fact, and is why the coupists are so opposed to them.

"Progress towards democracy, and helping raise-the-level of the poor or under-educated"

A little bit of the Oppositional arrogance coming through.

Paternalistically patting these poor souls on the head, while those "poor souls" relegated them to the political wilderness, is somewhat amusing.

Reminds me of the investigator Colombo, toying with those who considered themselves so superior. The superior types didn't have a clue, as does this aloof Opposition.

What does all that mean Calgaryll?

A city in Alberta western Canada

Pretty much in the middle of know where.

http://maps.google.c...ved=0CDwQ8gEwAQ

I grew up there, and it is a beautiful city with mostly rational people. This guy is a one off. I just hope he keeps his mouth on the forums and doesn't end up on a red stage shouting his mouth at some point, embarrassing my home town.

[CalgaryII]

Scouse Tommy, #28

The only things that i find worrying about a communist party in Thailand are the confirmed reports of red shirt leaders being given instruction (read...brainwashing)

Denigrating, besmirching, disparaging and impugning idiot stuff on the Red Shirts is parroting.

In this case however, it may not be parroting oppositional agenda, but descent into just making stuff up.

I would consider this snippet of parotting as being agenized, and not innocent.

[pimay11]

Interesting some seem to think almost half the Thai population was present during this year's concert in Bonanza, Khao Yai.

From last year, similar photos, estimate 20,000:

2011-03-26

On Saturday night until the early hours of Sunday morning, the mainly pro-Thaksin red shirts/UDD held a concert at Bonanza at Khao Yai, around three hours northeast of Bangkok. Some video of the event are here. According to Matichon, police estimated the crowd was about 20,000.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-580268

Judging from the video I would say the police are correct.

[CalgaryII]

Therefore the reds are understandably nervous about more frivolous judicial solutions (let's call it the TV cooking syndrome).

Here's the problem. Rather than being nervous about their Prime Minister breaking pretty logical and easy to follow laws about PMs not having second jobs; rather than being nervous about their Prime Minister lying in court; rather than being nervous about their Prime Minister being made to stand down but then not being allowed to restand because a convicted on the run criminal has decided he would prefer someone else in the job... rather than all that, what makes them nervous is the courts following through in applying basic laws.

PM breaking laws, having second jobs, lying in court, with the previous one not being allowed to re-stand, courts following basic laws........

Yup, that about summarizes it.

Ya win too many elections and we will criminalize you, using legalisms and tools as our cover.

Not complicated.

A shot accross the bow for Ms. Y.

I trust yesterday's rally was a 'shot accross the bow' for these coupists, using whatever means they think will work. Using their armed aggressors again may not be too palatable at the moment

Edited February 26, 2012 by CalgaryII

[CalgaryII]

How is it a coup, when it is removing someone illegally occupying the office of PM?

Coupists try that sort of logic, but it only flies with their own kind.

Electoral - vs.- the coupists

I'm glad I am defending the former.

The latter are a tough sell.

[Nacho]

The only things that i find worrying about a communist party in Thailand are the confirmed reports of red shirt leaders being given instruction (read...brainwashing) by Vietnamese party officials. Also Thailands very close geographically to Laos, Vietnam and China. I doubt Thailands current financial backers (USA etc) would be very happy. Plus as another poster has already said, communism as great on paper but in reality the Elite stay the E

Why not throw in the Ghengis Khan?

Must be very fearful of those who buy into this stuff, considering that this is a mainstream political movement who elected the current Govt, and will do so again in the foreseeable future.

Very amusing how all those great, mainstream people I sat back and "people watched' yesterday, including all the mama'd and papa's, and grannies, and similar folks being described like that.

Gives new meaning to the term out-of-touch with reality.

Most of these protesters are "out-of-touch with" objective views. Many have little access to information as they lack internet access, television access, their only source of information is red shirt radio or through word of mouth. And don't try to tell me I am wrong. I live in a small village in Khon Kaen and see first hand.

[blows]

How is it a coup, when it is removing someone illegally occupying the office of PM?

Coupists try that sort of logic, but it only flies with their own kind.

Electoral - vs.- the coupists

I'm glad I am defending the former.

The latter are a tough sell.

So you are OK with an opposition party PM to remain illegally in office as well, good to know.

[Insight]

Scouse Tommy, #28

The only things that i find worrying about a communist party in Thailand are the confirmed reports of red shirt leaders being given instruction (read...brainwashing)

Denigrating, besmirching, disparaging and impugning idiot stuff on the Red Shirts is parroting.

In this case however, it may not be parroting oppositional agenda, but descent into just making stuff up.

I would consider this snippet of parotting as being agenized, and not innocent.

When will the rest of Thailand learn it's only the rural north and north-eastern poor who really understand Democracy...

[gemini81]

How is it a coup, when it is removing someone illegally occupying the office of PM?

Coupists try that sort of logic, but it only flies with their own kind.

Electoral - vs.- the coupists

I'm glad I am defending the former.

The latter are a tough sell.

Yes, red shirts like to buy the votes, like you said, and the boys at the top sell. Pay-for-vote buying from your local Isaan village headman/tambol headman.

[CalgaryII]

Lungmi, #35

Thai people will kick out Thaksin, it will take more time.. PPT MP's already think about.

Kick him out? The way they did at the last election"

PPT MP's thinking about it?.......Saw no evidence of that during his phone-in to over 300,000 politically aware taxpayers last night.

MP's pay attention to such things, so don't expect too much "kicking out" for the moment, even should you be correct.

Edited February 26, 2012 by CalgaryII

[rixalex]

Must be very tiresome for those who criminalized him for just such a thing.

Tiresome for you that Thaksin and Thaksin alone criminalised himself by breaking laws that he thought need not apply to him.