Pheu Thai Against Educational Requirement For Constitution Drafting Assembly Selection

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Pheu Thai Against Educational Requirement for Constitution Drafting Assembly Selection

BANGKOK: -- The chairman of the parliamentary constitution amendment committee says the selection of a constitution drafting assembly member from each province is appropriate, while opposing the minimum education requirement.

Pheu Thai Party MP for Chiang Rai, Samart Kaewmeechai, chairman of the parliamentary constitution amendment committee, said the panel will consider Article 4 of the Constitution concerning the qualifications of constitution drafting assembly members at its meeting next week.

Samart feels it's appropriate that a CDA member represent each province, as the drafting panel does not have a direct role in addressing problems of the public as MPs do, but it has the duty to draw up the Constitution.

He added that it's not necessary to take demographic factors into account. The Pheu Thai MP disagrees with a minimum educational requirement for CDA members, saying it will prevent other people with special knowledge and expertise from being involved.

Samart noted that CDA members should be selected through an election by the public. He added that the committee has made satisfactory progress over the past two weeks.

Samart admitted that representatives from the Opposition Party have differing opinions on a number of issues. He proposed that the constitutional provisions concerning the royal institution, the court, independent agencies, and amnesty not be touched.

-- Tan Network 2012-03-09

[animatic]

Sounds like the pronouncement of someone who bought their diploma...

Yes, lets have the people designing the constitution be uneducated!

Blindingly dim-witted idea.

[pipo1000]

Of course they HAVE to be uneducated, to prevent that they would understand what they are actually signing.

[Heimdallr]

The requirement wouldn't mean anything when you have people who have bought their degrees from relatively unknown American universities or hired someone to do their coursework

[thaicbr]

while I agree it should not be necessary to have a degree. They should have at least basic schooling say to M3 level (left school at 15/16)

[Moruya]

Give them a test. Simple.

Have you ever been at a Red demo? Yes=reject

Have you ever been to a Yellow demo? Yes=reject

Should all people be treated the same in the eyes of Thai law? No=reject

Then some real questions to show that they understand why they are being considered - the following subjects:

A history of the Thai constitution over the past 20 years

Thai history 1901 - 2012

Thai foreign affairs 1945 - 2012

[animatic]

Give them a test. Simple.

Have you ever been at a Red demo? Yes=reject

Have you ever been to a Yellow demo? Yes=reject

Should all people be treated the same in the eyes of Thai law? No=reject

Then some real questions to show that they understand why they are being considered - the following subjects:

A history of the Thai constitution over the past 20 years

Thai history 1901 - 2012

Thai foreign affairs 1945 - 2012

Result all nominated members: EPIC FAIL.

[sparebox2]

Pheu Thai Against Educational Requirement for Constitution Drafting Assembly Selection!

So that stupid people can be included. Stupid people need a represeantation as well, not just lawyers, merchants, the handicaps, women, farmers, etc.

[Om85]

Sounds like the pronouncement of someone who bought their diploma...

Yes, lets have the people designing the constitution be uneducated!

Blindingly dim-witted idea.

I agree that education among these people is a very important factor, but having a diploma means nothing, particularly here in Thailand , for example , I have many Thai friends that just got their bachelor degree in Chinese language from a very prestigious Thai university and don't speak Chinese at all but i do know a few Thai people that speak Chinese very well and have had learn the language by themselves. Edited March 9, 2012 by Om85

[Unkomoncents]

It's true that Thai university degrees are meaningless (a recent ABAC study showed that more than half of 7/11 employees hold bachelor's degrees from Thai universities); however, there has to be some sort of minimum education requirement for government officials in order for them to be taken seriously by ANYONE. The thought that a drunken farmer demagogue with a fourth grade (Thai) education, a little charisma, a lot of corruption, and no real ideas could become representative of the people of Thailand is terrifying. We know it's possible (think Chalerm). Americans regularly elect corrupt intellectual degenerates to public office (see former California Rep. Randall Cunningham) but even those folks have, at minimum, college degrees.

[OzMick]

IQ tests will be definitely out then, as PTP MPs and their supporters tend to match their metric shoe size.

[dominique355]

Let's hope that at least some of the CDA have some knowledge and education in constitutional law and political science, preferably form a European or US university.

Otherwise this will be one more failed attempt to rewrite the Thai constitution and a gateway to the next amendment as soon as the government changes.

[animatic]

Pheu Thai Against Educational Requirement for Constitution Drafting Assembly Selection!

So that stupid people can be included. Stupid people need a represeantation as well, not just lawyers, merchants, the handicaps, women, farmers, etc.

Stupid people by the very nature of their stupidity,

need smarter, but benevolent people, looking out for them.

Being stupid just means you are not necessarily capable of doing the job,

and seeing all the potential pitfalls BEFORE the laws become laws.

One of Thailands main problems is too many stupid, but greedy people have written past constitutions,

and the smart be evil ones walk right through those stupidly designed loopholes.

They need smart, but GOOD people, to make sure those loopholes are closed in the first place.

Some people see a forest, and some only trees, others see they need to stop the tree thieves

before they get to the trees, or the forest is last and then the villages flood.

Others get a cut from the tree thieves and so provide ways for the thieves to get away with it.

It takes smart people representing ALL people to stop this abuse.

Edited March 9, 2012 by animatic

[RKASA]

Yes - Abe would know about this sort of thing - but then - he was from Kentucky. The vary Idea that a piece of paper makes a person more logical or even smart only proves that some people have been brainwashed into thinking they know everything better then others. They then run around proving daily that it is not true. Many of them then become a teacher - because who the hell would hire them anyway.

[anterian]

Yes - Abe would know about this sort of thing - but then - he was from Kentucky. The vary Idea that a piece of paper makes a person more logical or even smart only proves that some people have been brainwashed into thinking they know everything better then others. They then run around proving daily that it is not true. Many of them then become a teacher - because who the hell would hire them anyway.

Ah the old cry of the ignorant, "don't blame me, blame my teachers"!

[JAG]

Thailand is in the political mess which it is in because for generations those with access to wealth, education and resources have used that as a qualification necessary to access political power and wield influence. Thaksin realised that, and he became and remains hugely popular by offering those lacking wealth, education and resources a voice (illusionary as that may or may not be).

If you once again deny those without wealth and education any say in the business of constitutional reform, then all you will do is perpetuate the mess.

[RKASA]

Yes - Abe would know about this sort of thing - but then - he was from Kentucky. The vary Idea that a piece of paper makes a person more logical or even smart only proves that some people have been brainwashed into thinking they know everything better then others. They then run around proving daily that it is not true. Many of them then become a teacher - because who the hell would hire them anyway.

Ah the old cry of the ignorant, "don't blame me, blame my teachers"!

What? There is no way you have a clue what I said.

[lannarebirth]

^{Well I guess it will look a lot different than the one the American founders drafted. Probably just abunch of thumb prints at the bottom rather than signatures.}

[anterian]

Yes - Abe would know about this sort of thing - but then - he was from Kentucky. The vary Idea that a piece of paper makes a person more logical or even smart only proves that some people have been brainwashed into thinking they know everything better then others. They then run around proving daily that it is not true. Many of them then become a teacher - because who the hell would hire them anyway.

Ah the old cry of the ignorant, "don't blame me, blame my teachers"!

What? There is no way you have a clue what I said.

If you like:) How about. "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach sit on academic panels.".

[anterian]

Pheu Thai Against Educational Requirement for Constitution Drafting Assembly Selection!

So that stupid people can be included. Stupid people need a represeantation as well, not just lawyers, merchants, the handicaps, women, farmers, etc.

Stupid people by the very nature of their stupidity,

need smarter, but benevolent people, looking out for them.

Being stupid just means you are not necessarily capable of doing the job,

and seeing all the potential pitfalls BEFORE the laws become laws.

One of Thailands main problems is too many stupid, but greedy people have written past constitutions,

and the smart be evil ones walk right through those stupidly designed loopholes.

They need smart, but GOOD people, to make sure those loopholes are closed in the first place.

Some people see a forest, and some only trees, others see they need to stop the tree thieves

before they get to the trees, or the forest is last and then the villages flood.

Others get a cut from the tree thieves and so provide ways for the thieves to get away with it.

It takes smart people representing ALL people to stop this abuse.

Smart (intelligent) people survive because they can adapt, thus in a corrupt society they become super corrupt. You need smart people who are not corrupt, is this possible?

[animatic]

Pheu Thai Against Educational Requirement for Constitution Drafting Assembly Selection!

So that stupid people can be included. Stupid people need a represeantation as well, not just lawyers, merchants, the handicaps, women, farmers, etc.

Stupid people by the very nature of their stupidity,

need smarter, but benevolent people, looking out for them.

Being stupid just means you are not necessarily capable of doing the job,

and seeing all the potential pitfalls BEFORE the laws become laws.

One of Thailands main problems is too many stupid, but greedy people have written past constitutions,

and the smart but evil ones walk right through those stupidly designed loopholes.

They need smart, but GOOD people, to make sure those loopholes are closed in the first place.

Some people see a forest, and some only trees. Others see that they need to stop the tree thieves

before they get to the trees, or the forest is lost, and then the villages flood.

Others get a cut from the tree thieves, and so provide ways for the thieves to get away with it.

And then try and make face pretending to help the flooded villages.

It takes smart people representing ALL people to stop this abuse.

(edited)

Smart (intelligent) people survive because they can adapt, thus in a corrupt society they become super corrupt. You need smart people who are not corrupt, is this possible?

We are in a super corrupt society, but I don't believe either of us has become super corrupt.

Yet we both are adapted, and surviving. Though we don't always agree on each others points.

Adapting to a evil situation to survive, is not the same as becoming evil as your nature.

Once the worst is over the good revert back to their good ways.

Recent history showed coming shortages from the flooded transport situations.

It was prudent to stockpile staples and a few preferences without going overboard, but safeguarding the families interests. But afterwards going back to normal purchasing and stocking.

On the other hand, those that gouged others, and kept prices up afterwards, are the naturally bent variety.

Those that 'turn bad' from the experience and go overboard in that 'turning' are naturally bent internally or their couldn't be 'turned'. Such as those who get a taste of riches and then can't help getting richer and richer no matter who they hurt. Or those so riche they believe they are entitled to EVERYTHING, until no one has more collected than they do. Not a matter of good business sense winning out, but unbridled avarice and greed taking over their mindsets. Ego run amok.

In deed, it is within reasonable limits pertaining to bottom line survival.

What one might be always be loath to do in normal or even tough situations,

they would do because they must in a life or death situation.

Does this make them bad? No, just practical in the short term.

There are plenty of smart people who do good in general,

and leave little trouble in their wake, and create some good,

or erase harms for their time on earth.

You can't fight all fights, but that is not whats needed. What's needed is those that leave things on a better track than when they found them. Then it becomes cumulative. Sadly the Thailand political scene is so denatured, avaricious and cutthroat that the best and brightest don't want to fall in with that crowd. There are some notable exceptions, but in general.... And the more educated know of better ways to live than the uneducated, and know of more ways to make society better, than inaction, or incomprehension of the problems at hand.

Edited March 9, 2012 by animatic

[rubl]

Let me search for my red shirt, but even without I can assure you the only requirement for a member of the CDA is a love for Thailand, Thaksin, and democracy. No more, no less. IMHO and leave your contact details if you care to disagree. We know where to find you

[Dibbler]

Consistent with the party's policy of producing decision-makers from people with money and influence, rather than education and negotiation skills. What a constitution it will be! Thailand still essentially a feudal society run by people who bought votes rather than earned them.

[animatic]

Consistent with the party's policy of producing decision-makers from people with money and influence, rather than education and negotiation skills. What a constitution it will be! Thailand still essentially a feudal society run by people who bought votes rather than earned them.

Or producing non-decision making Butt-kissers, Yes-men and parrots,

to follow the intructions of the bosses without negative, or inteligable comment.

Edited March 9, 2012 by animatic

[anterian]

Pheu Thai Against Educational Requirement for Constitution Drafting Assembly Selection!

So that stupid people can be included. Stupid people need a represeantation as well, not just lawyers, merchants, the handicaps, women, farmers, etc.

Stupid people by the very nature of their stupidity,

need smarter, but benevolent people, looking out for them.

Being stupid just means you are not necessarily capable of doing the job,

and seeing all the potential pitfalls BEFORE the laws become laws.

One of Thailands main problems is too many stupid, but greedy people have written past constitutions,

and the smart but evil ones walk right through those stupidly designed loopholes.

They need smart, but GOOD people, to make sure those loopholes are closed in the first place.

Some people see a forest, and some only trees. Others see that they need to stop the tree thieves

before they get to the trees, or the forest is lost, and then the villages flood.

Others get a cut from the tree thieves, and so provide ways for the thieves to get away with it.

And then try and make face pretending to help the flooded villages.

It takes smart people representing ALL people to stop this abuse.

(edited)

Smart (intelligent) people survive because they can adapt, thus in a corrupt society they become super corrupt. You need smart people who are not corrupt, is this possible?

We are in a super corrupt society, but I don't believe either of us has become super corrupt.

Yet we both are adapted, and surviving. Though we don't always agree on each others points.

Adapting to a evil situation to survive, is not the same as becoming evil as your nature.

Once the worst is over the good revert back to their good ways.

Recent history showed coming shortages from the flooded transport situations.

It was prudent to stockpile staples and a few preferences without going overboard, but safeguarding the families interests. But afterwards going back to normal purchasing and stocking.

On the other hand, those that gouged others, and kept prices up afterwards, are the naturally bent variety.

Those that 'turn bad' from the experience and go overboard in that 'turning' are naturally bent internally or their couldn't be 'turned'. Such as those who get a taste of riches and then can't help getting richer and richer no matter who they hurt. Or those so riche they believe they are entitled to EVERYTHING, until no one has more collected than they do. Not a matter of good business sense winning out, but unbridled avarice and greed taking over their mindsets. Ego run amok.

In deed, it is within reasonable limits pertaining to bottom line survival.

What one might be always be loath to do in normal or even tough situations,

they would do because they must in a life or death situation.

Does this make them bad? No, just practical in the short term.

There are plenty of smart people who do good in general,

and leave little trouble in their wake, and create some good,

or erase harms for their time on earth.

You can't fight all fights, but that is not whats needed. What's needed is those that leave things on a better track than when they found them. Then it becomes cumulative. Sadly the Thailand political scene is so denatured, avaricious and cutthroat that the best and brightest don't want to fall in with that crowd. There are some notable exceptions, but in general.... And the more educated know of better ways to live than the uneducated, and know of more ways to make society better, than inaction, or incomprehension of the problems at hand.

I very much agree, I also plan for disasters, and survived weeks of floods relatively unscathed, was even able to help others in the village.

Your philosophy seems that of a little known epitaph, "May the world be a better place that I have lived". It is very much my attitude.

It is very frustrating living in a society where the ills are so obvious, the remedies so apparent, yet one can do nothing. I get bored with the constant acerbic posts about Thaksin, Yingluck etc, if a tree bears sour fruit we do not blame the fruit, we blame the tree and cut it down. Thai culture is the tree, politics and politicians are its fruit.

In this respect we, as farangs, can contribute, by discussion and example, not on TV but with Thais, we can slowly change the culture in which we live.

[anterian]

Pheu Thai Against Educational Requirement for Constitution Drafting Assembly Selection!

So that stupid people can be included. Stupid people need a represeantation as well, not just lawyers, merchants, the handicaps, women, farmers, etc.

Stupid people by the very nature of their stupidity,

need smarter, but benevolent people, looking out for them.

Being stupid just means you are not necessarily capable of doing the job,

and seeing all the potential pitfalls BEFORE the laws become laws.

One of Thailands main problems is too many stupid, but greedy people have written past constitutions,

and the smart but evil ones walk right through those stupidly designed loopholes.

They need smart, but GOOD people, to make sure those loopholes are closed in the first place.

Some people see a forest, and some only trees. Others see that they need to stop the tree thieves

before they get to the trees, or the forest is lost, and then the villages flood.

Others get a cut from the tree thieves, and so provide ways for the thieves to get away with it.

And then try and make face pretending to help the flooded villages.

It takes smart people representing ALL people to stop this abuse.

(edited)

Smart (intelligent) people survive because they can adapt, thus in a corrupt society they become super corrupt. You need smart people who are not corrupt, is this possible?

We are in a super corrupt society, but I don't believe either of us has become super corrupt.

Yet we both are adapted, and surviving. Though we don't always agree on each others points.

Adapting to a evil situation to survive, is not the same as becoming evil as your nature.

Once the worst is over the good revert back to their good ways.

Recent history showed coming shortages from the flooded transport situations.

It was prudent to stockpile staples and a few preferences without going overboard, but safeguarding the families interests. But afterwards going back to normal purchasing and stocking.

On the other hand, those that gouged others, and kept prices up afterwards, are the naturally bent variety.

Those that 'turn bad' from the experience and go overboard in that 'turning' are naturally bent internally or their couldn't be 'turned'. Such as those who get a taste of riches and then can't help getting richer and richer no matter who they hurt. Or those so riche they believe they are entitled to EVERYTHING, until no one has more collected than they do. Not a matter of good business sense winning out, but unbridled avarice and greed taking over their mindsets. Ego run amok.

In deed, it is within reasonable limits pertaining to bottom line survival.

What one might be always be loath to do in normal or even tough situations,

they would do because they must in a life or death situation.

Does this make them bad? No, just practical in the short term.

There are plenty of smart people who do good in general,

and leave little trouble in their wake, and create some good,

or erase harms for their time on earth.

You can't fight all fights, but that is not whats needed. What's needed is those that leave things on a better track than when they found them. Then it becomes cumulative. Sadly the Thailand political scene is so denatured, avaricious and cutthroat that the best and brightest don't want to fall in with that crowd. There are some notable exceptions, but in general.... And the more educated know of better ways to live than the uneducated, and know of more ways to make society better, than inaction, or incomprehension of the problems at hand.

" Adapting to a evil situation to survive, is not the same as becoming evil as your nature."

As a farang we see the evils yet seen unable to do anything about it. Many members rail against Thaksin, Yingluck and others, but this does nothing other than letting off steam.

If a tree produces sour fruit do you blame the fruit, no you cut down the tree. Thai culture is the tree, politics and politicians are the fruit.

We farangs cannot cut down the tree, but perhaps we can gently prune it, make it more sweetly fruitful. By example and by discussion with Thais we can show a better way of living. This is my philosophy, I can but try.

[animatic]

If not letting the Thaksin PR Propaganda go unanswered,

and so kept from changing everyones perceptions,

that is a small step in preventing his mindset from taking over completely.

All it takes is good peoples silence to bad arguments,

to let bad arguments be the ONLY answers anyone knows.

I know it seems grossly redundant and repetitive,

but then so is the fodder put out by his professionals driven push

to override the better instincts of Thai society for his own benefits.

[Bagwan]

Pheu Thai Against Educational Requirement for Constitution Drafting Assembly Selection!

So that stupid people can be included. Stupid people need a represeantation as well, not just lawyers, merchants, the handicaps, women, farmers, etc.

So if you are charged with a criminal offence you would choose a rice farmer to represent you in court?

[RKASA]

Pheu Thai Against Educational Requirement for Constitution Drafting Assembly Selection!

So that stupid people can be included. Stupid people need a represeantation as well, not just lawyers, merchants, the handicaps, women, farmers, etc.

So if you are charged with a criminal offence you would choose a rice farmer to represent you in court?

In Thailand - would it make any difference?

[Siam Simon]

If not letting the Thaksin PR Propaganda go unanswered,

and so kept from changing everyones perceptions,

that is a small step in preventing his mindset from taking over completely.

All it takes is good peoples silence to bad arguments,

to let bad arguments be the ONLY answers anyone knows.

I know it seems grossly redundant and repetitive,

but then so is the fodder put out by his professionals driven push

to override the better instincts of Thai society for his own benefits.

Aren't we supposed to contact admin if we have any evidence that posters are paid to post? All I see is a small minority of posters posting honest opinions (and often hard facts which the other side of the debate tries it's best to ignore/massage away) which take a different POV to the majority view. The debate on here has always been overwhelmingly anti-Thaksin (not a bad thing imo), but has always given an easy ride to his Old Establishment opponents, which is where most of the dissenting debate comes from.

Anyway, ontopic: Surely the only real qualification that counts is a very good one in Law. Any other is just candy floss.