Red Shirts Want An End To Military Coups: Thida

[Buchholz]

If they have over 10M supporters (and this number is expected to grow significantly) as stated in the news article, why couldn't the Red Shirts set up their own political party and contest in the election?

Thida probably counted a number of too-young-to-vote Red Shirts in her still inflated numbers

Teaching them young - children of the red shirt movement play with toy guns during the fund-raising rally

http://pattayamail.c...12/news15.shtml

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Teaching ! what an idiotic suggestion, young boys all over the world like to play with toy guns, you fool !

Please direct your flame to the proper target, Phasakorn Channgam.

Thanks.

Personally, I would suggest that context plays a big role with the above toy guns versus other children playing with toy guns.

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Edited May 9, 2012 by Buchholz

[h90]

What the red shirts attempted whilst Abhisit was in power was to cut short his term by force, by violence, by intimidation. It wasn't democratic. In many ways it was much like a coup attempt. If they had respect for democracy, they would have said, "ok, we don't like the way that Abhisit came to power, but we will respect the democratic principles we preach, and will demonstrate this not by taking to the streets with arms and burning things down, but by trying to get him removed within the law and via the courts, and if this fails, we will simply campaign hard and make sure he is not re-elected at the next election".

It must be pointed out that it was the government who 'took to the streets with arms'and only then did the red shirts start to burn things down.

It must be also pointed out that the government took the streets with arms after several people were shot from the red shirts.

Ah ! but there is the genuine contention............was it in fact Redshirts doing the firing, there is real doubt here.

OK, black shirts....doesn't make a difference

[hyperdimension]

"or if we put Thaksin in a space capsule and shot it out of the Earth"

Now there's a thought.

No, let Thaksin back in, get him and all the other politicians past and present to meet in parliament to discuss reforms... then shoot parliament into space.

And for goodness sake make sure that SUTHEP is with them.

How about Prem too?

[phiphidon]

Speaking of English, a Thai court is not going to consider an English-language "conjunction" between the English-translated phrase of a Thai-language campaign slogan.

Very likely if any prosecution occurred, it would occur based upon what was said and written in Thai.

But it's all moot anyway, as prosecution isn't going to occur based solely on that aspect and would, instead, be based on other aspects and actions.

What remains is the number of people who have violated it and the severity of the violations. TRT and PPP have had dozens and dozens of its Banned From Politics violate the spirit of the law, whereas BJT has had one, Newin. That aspect is always avoided by those with the "But, Abhisit" key on their keyboard.

As said before, the spirit of the law needs to be clarified and strengthened... but that is not likely to be high on PTP efforts at constitutional changes. They seem much more he11-bent to weaken the already toothless law and other regulatory laws that hamper its ability to exert control over the populace.

"What remains is the number of people who have violated it and the severity of the violations. TRT and PPP have had dozens and dozens of its Banned From Politics violate the spirit of the law, whereas BJT has had one, Newin."

An interesting take on the law if I may say so. They're either guilty of breaking the law or not and that works for every party. You can't just apply the law by percentages - that's a playground argument - "They did it more than us".

It's not an argument to excuse one Party.

No one has said any one is innocent of breaking the law.

It's just a statement of fact.

There's been many more occurrences of banned-from-politics involved TRT and PPP members than there have been with BJT (or any of the other banned parties, for that matter).

Sorry to interrupt your frothing.

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Barely on a simmer buchholz, I see you chose not to reply wrt your crystal ball gazing of what the PTP are going to do with the constitution. Looks like my explanation exposed your nonsense about the constitution as being what it is, pure frothing.

[phiphidon]

Teaching ! what an idiotic suggestion, young boys all over the world like to play with toy guns, you fool !

Please direct your flame to the proper target, Phasakorn Channgam.

Thanks.

Personally, I would suggest that context plays a big role with the above toy guns versus other children playing with toy guns.

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Indeed

[phiphidon]

It must be pointed out that it was the government who 'took to the streets with arms'and only then did the red shirts start to burn things down.

It must be also pointed out that the government took the streets with arms after several people were shot from the red shirts.

Ah ! but there is the genuine contention............was it in fact Redshirts doing the firing, there is real doubt here.

OK, black shirts....doesn't make a difference

It does if your a red shirt who's being targeted by the army............

[animatic]

If they have over 10M supporters (and this number is expected to grow significantly) as stated in the news article, why couldn't the Red Shirts set up their own political party and contest in the election?

Thida probably counted a number of too-young-to-vote Red Shirts in her still inflated numbers

Teaching them young - children of the red shirt movement play with toy guns during the fund-raising rally

http://pattayamail.c...12/news15.shtml

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Teaching ! what an idiotic suggestion, young boys all over the world like to play with toy guns, you fool !

Yes, they do, but not normally at political indoctrination rallies with their parents.

That is called brain washing a generation.

Nothing less.

[phiphidon]

Yes, they do, but not normally at political indoctrination rallies with their parents.

That is called brain washing a generation.

Nothing less.

For fund raising rally to greet fund raising cyclists who cycled from Bangkok to Pattaya to raise funds for the red shirts read

"political indoctrination rallies" for "brain washing a generation"

Those pesky pinko liberals get eveywhere, don't they animatic?

[h90]

It does if your a red shirt who's being targeted by the army............

If you watch your side shooting at the army and don't expect that something will fly back than you are an idiot red shirt.....

But to be honest most red shirts were very active in the fight against the army...making barricades, putting diesel over it making fire at houses, looting shops. Listen to speeches about burning down Bangkok.....

[phiphidon]

True , he is only responsible for the death of 96 red shirts.

You've included the military and civilian deaths in that total, around 80 red shirts would be about right when you include the red shirts shot up north after the 19th May.

[TheCure]

True , he is only responsible for the death of 96 red shirts.

You've included the military and civilian deaths in that total, around 80 red shirts would be about right when you include the red shirts shot up north after the 19th May.

I stand corrected .

[phiphidon]

True , he is only responsible for the death of 96 red shirts.

You've included the military and civilian deaths in that total, around 80 red shirts would be about right when you include the red shirts shot up north after the 19th May.

I stand corrected .

Just trying to save you from a barrage of posts - I'll probably get them now disputing my figures................

[TheCure]

True , he is only responsible for the death of 96 red shirts.

You've included the military and civilian deaths in that total, around 80 red shirts would be about right when you include the red shirts shot up north after the 19th May.

I stand corrected .

Just trying to save you from a barrage of posts - I'll probably get them now disputing my figures................

You mean a barrage of posts from people who can still claim that Nurse Kate was not killed by an army sniper ?

[OzMick]

True , he is only responsible for the death of 96 red shirts.

You've included the military and civilian deaths in that total, around 80 red shirts would be about right when you include the red shirts shot up north after the 19th May.

I stand corrected .

That's OK it's a common tactic used by the history revisionists on this thread.

Perhaps you could comment on this quote:

“If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.” - Dalai Lama

Now try justify why peaceful protesters were armed.

[TheCure]

True , he is only responsible for the death of 96 red shirts.

You've included the military and civilian deaths in that total, around 80 red shirts would be about right when you include the red shirts shot up north after the 19th May.

I stand corrected .

That's OK it's a common tactic used by the history revisionists on this thread.

Perhaps you could comment on this quote:

“If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.” - Dalai Lama

Now try justify why peaceful protesters were armed.

I keep wondering what sycophants like you have to gain in the delusional defense of a prehistoric status quo ?

Please enlighten me

[rixalex]

True , he is only responsible for the death of 96 red shirts.

You've included the military and civilian deaths in that total, around 80 red shirts would be about right when you include the red shirts shot up north after the 19th May.

I stand corrected .

Someone with even the most of passing of interest would have known the number you quoted was not made up of only red shirts, and yet your interest seems at a higher level than "passing". Bizarre.

[rixalex]

I keep wondering what sycophants like you have to gain in the delusional defense of a prehistoric status quo ?

Please enlighten me

Anyone who supports the red shirts (cue denial) is deluding themselves if they think what they stand behing is anything more than just another group of greedy elites treading over the poor working classes and maintaining the status quo you speak of. Consider yourself enlightened.

[phiphidon]

True , he is only responsible for the death of 96 red shirts.

You've included the military and civilian deaths in that total, around 80 red shirts would be about right when you include the red shirts shot up north after the 19th May.

I stand corrected .

Someone with even the most of passing of interest would have known the number you quoted was not made up of only red shirts, and yet your interest seems at a higher level than "passing". Bizarre.

But even then, most of those with a much higher than passing interest do not take any notice of the 5 red shirts killed after the 19th May crackdown.

[rixalex]

But even then, most of those with a much higher than passing interest do not take any notice of the 5 red shirts killed after the 19th May crackdown.

Speak for yourself.

[Buchholz]

Speaking of English, a Thai court is not going to consider an English-language "conjunction" between the English-translated phrase of a Thai-language campaign slogan.

Very likely if any prosecution occurred, it would occur based upon what was said and written in Thai.

But it's all moot anyway, as prosecution isn't going to occur based solely on that aspect and would, instead, be based on other aspects and actions.

What remains is the number of people who have violated it and the severity of the violations. TRT and PPP have had dozens and dozens of its Banned From Politics violate the spirit of the law, whereas BJT has had one, Newin. That aspect is always avoided by those with the "But, Abhisit" key on their keyboard.

As said before, the spirit of the law needs to be clarified and strengthened... but that is not likely to be high on PTP efforts at constitutional changes. They seem much more he11-bent to weaken the already toothless law and other regulatory laws that hamper its ability to exert control over the populace.

"What remains is the number of people who have violated it and the severity of the violations. TRT and PPP have had dozens and dozens of its Banned From Politics violate the spirit of the law, whereas BJT has had one, Newin."

An interesting take on the law if I may say so. They're either guilty of breaking the law or not and that works for every party. You can't just apply the law by percentages - that's a playground argument - "They did it more than us".

It's not an argument to excuse one Party.

No one has said any one is innocent of breaking the law.

It's just a statement of fact.

There's been many more occurrences of banned-from-politics involved TRT and PPP members than there have been with BJT (or any of the other banned parties, for that matter).

Sorry to interrupt your frothing.

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Barely on a simmer buchholz

Sure seems like it what with all that added foaming over what speculations on PTP has in store for the constitution. Speculation that is consistent with their expressed desire to remove some of the regulatory bodies that exist today.

I tried to spare others from re-reading your flaming diatribe, same as this reply which contained another.

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Edited May 9, 2012 by Buchholz

[TheCure]

I keep wondering what sycophants like you have to gain in the delusional defense of a prehistoric status quo ?

Please enlighten me

Anyone who supports the red shirts (cue denial) is deluding themselves if they think what they stand behing is anything more than just another group of greedy elites treading over the poor working classes and maintaining the status quo you speak of. Consider yourself enlightened.

Please show me a post where I supported the red shirts ?

[TheCure]

I keep wondering what sycophants like you have to gain in the delusional defense of a prehistoric status quo ?

Please enlighten me

Anyone who supports the red shirts (cue denial) is deluding themselves if they think what they stand behing is anything more than just another group of greedy elites treading over the poor working classes and maintaining the status quo you speak of. Consider yourself enlightened.

Who killed , most of them by clean head shots ,the 80 red shirts then ?

The fairy godmother ?

[rixalex]

I keep wondering what sycophants like you have to gain in the delusional defense of a prehistoric status quo ?

Please enlighten me

Anyone who supports the red shirts (cue denial) is deluding themselves if they think what they stand behing is anything more than just another group of greedy elites treading over the poor working classes and maintaining the status quo you speak of. Consider yourself enlightened.

Please show me a post where I supported the red shirts ?

Right on cue.

[Buchholz]

Teaching ! what an idiotic suggestion, young boys all over the world like to play with toy guns, you fool !

Please direct your flame to the proper target, Phasakorn Channgam.

Thanks.

Personally, I would suggest that context plays a big role with the above toy guns versus other children playing with toy guns.

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Indeed

Do you have a link so that we may know the context?

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[rixalex]

I keep wondering what sycophants like you have to gain in the delusional defense of a prehistoric status quo ?

Please enlighten me

Anyone who supports the red shirts (cue denial) is deluding themselves if they think what they stand behing is anything more than just another group of greedy elites treading over the poor working classes and maintaining the status quo you speak of. Consider yourself enlightened.

Who killed , most of them by clean head shots ,the 80 red shirts then ?

The fairy godmother ?

You didn't know the number you quoted was not only red shirts, but now you know which part of the body they were shot in.

What is the source of this wealth of information?

[phiphidon]

It's not an argument to excuse one Party.

No one has said any one is innocent of breaking the law.

It's just a statement of fact.

There's been many more occurrences of banned-from-politics involved TRT and PPP members than there have been with BJT (or any of the other banned parties, for that matter).

Sorry to interrupt your frothing.

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Barely on a simmer buchholz

Sure seems like it what with all that added foaming over what speculations on PTP has in store for the constitution. Speculation that is consistent with their expressed desire to remove some of the regulatory bodies that exist today.

I tried to spare others from re-reading your flaming diatribe, same as this reply which contained another.

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My, you're absolutely selfless, protecting the forum from my tainted posts - for those of you who missed it because of buchholz sniping snipping away, my "flaming diatribe" was this

You do realise that any constitutional changes will be discussed once the CDA has been formed, which it has not of yet. So any pronouncement by you on what the PTP (and not just them, see my next point) will propose is pure fantasy at this point.

The Constitutional Drafting Assembly (CDA) will comprise of some representatives of the electorate be they "experts" or not and representatives from the various political parties, not solely the PTP.

The mere fact that the composition of the CDA is being discussed and voted upon in parliament is a step up democratically from the politically loaded CDA responsible for the 2006/7 constitution (e.g. the democrat party has already got its way on the number of "members" needed to comprise the CDA).

Come back and argue that the PTP will "weaken the already toothless law and other regulatory laws that hamper its ability to exert control over the populace" if it happens, until then I suspect it's the usual democrat party lovin' members rhetoric designed to stir up the usual suspects.

No change there, then.

Thats called a discussion where I come from.

[h90]

I keep wondering what sycophants like you have to gain in the delusional defense of a prehistoric status quo ?

Please enlighten me

Answering the question instead of wondering would be better....

The red shirts shot the army first....that aren't peaceful protesters that were terrorists, who also burned many building and looted

[phiphidon]

Teaching ! what an idiotic suggestion, young boys all over the world like to play with toy guns, you fool !

Please direct your flame to the proper target, Phasakorn Channgam.

Thanks.

Personally, I would suggest that context plays a big role with the above toy guns versus other children playing with toy guns.

.

Indeed

Do you have a link so that we may know the context?

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Some blog or other it's childrens day in thailand.

[Buchholz]

True , he is only responsible for the death of 96 red shirts.

You've included the military and civilian deaths in that total, around 80 red shirts would be about right when you include the red shirts shot up north after the 19th May.

I stand corrected .

Someone with even the most of passing of interest would have known the number you quoted was not made up of only red shirts, and yet your interest seems at a higher level than "passing". Bizarre.

Bizarre is the frequency it is encountered here.

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[phiphidon]

I keep wondering what sycophants like you have to gain in the delusional defense of a prehistoric status quo ?

Please enlighten me

Anyone who supports the red shirts (cue denial) is deluding themselves if they think what they stand behing is anything more than just another group of greedy elites treading over the poor working classes and maintaining the status quo you speak of. Consider yourself enlightened.

Please show me a post where I supported the red shirts ?

Right on cue.

A reasonable question though.