Thai Govt Urged To Focus On Unwanted Pregnancy Problems

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Govt urged to focus on unwanted pregnancy problems

BANGKOK, 10 May 2012 (NNT) – The National Economic and Social Advisory Council (NESAC) has suggested the government pay more attention to teen pregnancy problems and uplift abortion standards.

Talking about solving the unwanted pregnancy problems in Thailand, NESAC Member Suttinun Chantara said related agencies have discussed appropriate plans and concluded that the government should support the legalization of abortion pills and improve the abortion standard.

Mr Suttinun also suggested that Criminal Law concerning abortion be repealed so that people with unwanted pregnancies could seek abortion as an option, adding that birth control law should also be amended.

In addition, the NESAC urged the government to strictly punish those who sell and distribute pornographic materials and pubs and nightclubs that allow children under 18 in, given they encourage teenagers to commit sinful acts.

-- NNT 2012-05-10

[Skywalker69]

Give the kids free condoms!

[daninthai]

How exactly is 'sinful' defined? If someone has different beliefs, why should they follow other peoples' idea of 'sin'? Dark ages in this country.

[h90]

How exactly is 'sinful' defined? If someone has different beliefs, why should they follow other peoples' idea of 'sin'? Dark ages in this country.

First abortion whenever you want.....than sinful acts..... the two most extreme things in such a short text.

[sparebox2]

Tax rebate for 1st time abortion perhaps.

[OzMick]

I suppose sex education is out of the question.

[Tanuki]

I suppose sex education is out of the question.

ANY kind of education is out of the question. Teaching critical thinking - out of the question. Teaching responsibility - out of the question.

just follow and repeat, follow and repeat.

[keestha]

I wonder what the outcome would be, if a referendum or a truly representative opinion poll would be held about whether or not to legalize abortion.

[swillowbee]

... the World Health Organization reported last year that Thailand rated #2 in the world for teenage pregnancy rates (age 15-19).

... another WHO report from a year or so ago projects that by 2015 more than 50% of all Thai children will be raised in households by someone other than their parent.

... there's a resounding indictment of Thai cultural values ... I want to hear no more BS about Thai's strong family values.

[MEL1]

... the World Health Organization reported last year that Thailand rated #2 in the world for teenage pregnancy rates (age 15-19).

... another WHO report from a year or so ago projects that by 2015 more than 50% of all Thai children will be raised in households by someone other than their parent.

... there's a resounding indictment of Thai cultural values ... I want to hear no more BS about Thai's strong family values.

Strong family values? From where to where? There is a variance.

However, it does appear that sexual indulgence, usually perpretated by daddy, uncle or brothers also varies from place to place.

It has little to do with sex education...... it has to do with what is perceived as abuse, and what is not, education.

Let's start that subject for a kick-off, shall we? What's half-time score going to be? All in with family, or half-out with female child?

-mel.

[AngelofDeath]

They must not go ahead with this. Abortion should only be legal if the woman has been raped or the fetus has some medical condition that will cause much suffering once he/she is born.

[MEL1]

They must not go ahead with this. Abortion should only be legal if the woman has been raped or the fetus has some medical condition that will cause much suffering once he/she is born.

And what if 85% of rapes in Thailand occur within the family realms? What then?

Rape within the family, in most cases - a huge amount -, is not reported within this country because of family comeback threats.

Usually, the youngest daughter is responsible for sibling care, and care for the elders. If it becomes her duty to be forced into sexual obligations, to satisfy demands, is she likely to report it or wait for the house and land, as the last remnant of care and obliged earning?

Let's keep religion out of this too! Buddhism is a philosophy. I'm sure you know the Pali scripture quotes about rape?

-mel.

[keestha]

They must not go ahead with this. Abortion should only be legal if the woman has been raped or the fetus has some medical condition that will cause much suffering once he/she is born.

That is your personal opinion, which is definitely not shared by everybody.

It should be up to the Thai people to decide about this issue.

[whybother]

They must not go ahead with this. Abortion should only be legal if the woman has been raped or the fetus has some medical condition that will cause much suffering once he/she is born.

Of course, even if they don't have some medical condition, being born into a family that doesn't want them can cause them much suffering.

[Toscano]

I do not see that there should be any religious or moral restraints to abortion in Thailand .

Sex is a very taboo subject in Thailand , I am not sure how much sex education there is in schools , but I believe parents don't give any guidance until there is a crisis . I am told on good authority that in my village , high school girls make themselves available at the village love hotels .

Perhaps they are provided with condoms . Our daughter-in-law only seems to have the pill when my wife buys it for her and then sometimes can't be bothered to take it . I see many country girls who are only good for having unprotected sex and getting pregnant ; if a baby is born they are hopeless mothers , without the instinct of a cow with a calf in a field .

[gand]

Free and safe abortions should help with the problem.

[Skywalker69]

They must not go ahead with this. Abortion should only be legal if the woman has been raped or the fetus has some medical condition that will cause much suffering once he/she is born.

Says the AngelofDeath?

[Narratio]

He's not the real Angel of Death, it's a franchise thing, like the 7-11's only not as pervasive or powerful.

[Semper]

No sex before marriage. Unless you do it for a living.

[Om85]

Abortion, IMHO, is not the answer, give the kids education about the subject and make them feel the need of using condoms .

[BigJohnnyBKK]

... another WHO report from a year or so ago projects that by 2015 more than 50% of all Thai children will be raised in households by someone other than their parent.

... there's a resounding indictment of Thai cultural values ... I want to hear no more BS about Thai's strong family values.

You're just showing your very limited view of "family values" and ignorance of what is important to children. The west's isolated nuclear family with both mum and dad working doesn't work too well as a paragon of effectiveness does it? At least here the extended family all chip in together and help out rather than every one for themselves and sod the rest.

Nothing wrong with a child being raised by auntie or grandma, or even non-relatives in a pinch, as long as they're getting plenty of love from a consistent group. And of course ideally mum and dad are sending milk money home.

Abortion, IMHO, is not the answer, give the kids education about the subject and make them feel the need of using condoms .

Condoms are a relatively ineffective method of birth control. Girls responsible enough to be consistent should be on the pill, and others can get an under-skin implant that lasts 3 months to a year, or IUD which is ongoing. All under advice from a qualified ObGyn, obviously the expense is worth every penny.

They must not go ahead with this. Abortion should only be legal if the woman has been raped or the fetus has some medical condition that will cause much suffering once he/she is born.

On what basis would you impose such conditions? Are you Catholic or something?

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Just an FYI for everyone, excellent family planning and women's reproductive health services are freely available at the Mechai clinic (as in "Khun Condom") on Suk Soi 12 upstairs from Cabbages and Condoms.

Sterilization procedures are also available for all male humans, including farang, for free. Highly recommended.

Edited May 11, 2012 by BigJohnnyBKK

[Crushdepth]

How exactly is 'sinful' defined? If someone has different beliefs, why should they follow other peoples' idea of 'sin'? Dark ages in this country.

The weird bit is they are declaring teen sex to be sinful while advocating abortion as the solution. Ermm...consistency?

[LucidLucifer]

They must not go ahead with this. Abortion should only be legal if the woman has been raped or the fetus has some medical condition that will cause much suffering once he/she is born.

Freedom of choice is the key factor here. Just because you and your moral values make you believe abortion is wrong, it is equally wrong for you to impose those said same morals on other people.

[Semper]

Freedom of choice is the key factor here

Yes, if a 15 year old want to have unsafe sex and then get pregnant, well, bad luck for her. The "freedom of choice" has already been used. She chosed to have unsafe sex and was unlucky. It's like the lottery, you can't claim your money back if you don't win.

[anterian]

Sex is normal human behaviour and we are very good at it, better than most other animals who are restricted to seasons, we can do it at anytime, and usually do. Trying to regulate it by law has never worked, even education fails when confronted by basic instincts. We all accept childhood immunisations against various childhood diseases, could we accept all children at puberty being implanted with a contraceptive capsule?

[DrTuner]

Give 'em free condoms and sex education. No ? Didn't think so. Better to continue fiddling with secondary issues like the length of uni students skirts. Isn't it that time of the year soon ?

[LucidLucifer]

Freedom of choice is the key factor here

Yes, if a 15 year old want to have unsafe sex and then get pregnant, well, bad luck for her. The "freedom of choice" has already been used. She chosed to have unsafe sex and was unlucky. It's like the lottery, you can't claim your money back if you don't win.

Both your analogy and your reasoning are so skewiff to be barely comprehensible......

This is obviously an emotive subject, and one in which people (the anti-abortion brigade) hold archiac views. You demonstrated quite clearly with your post just how abhorrent that viewpoint can be. I also know that whatever I,or anyone else of reasoned mind will say, you'll never change your own opinion.

It is for that reason I will not be posting on, or reading, this thread from now. You are therefore free to disagree with my views as strongly as I disagree with yours, and i'll be none the wiser.

Edited May 11, 2012 by LucidLucifer

[Bagwan]

My wife and I had a long serious talk with my daughter when she was about 15 years of youth and had her first serious boyfriend. We told her that indulging in sex before she was 18 was against the law although the police probably wouldn't do anything if her partner was also under age. We made it quite clear that if she became pregnant she would be on her own. We would not be washing out shitty napkins or getting up in the middle of the night to attend to the mite. We were not prepared to act as unpaid babysitters or financially bale her out. We had done the child bearing and raising bit and didn't intend going through it again. My wife and I had become parents of two by the time we has reached the age of 22 and now we wanted to catch up on some of the fun things in life that we had missed out on. Mums and Dads had lives too we reminded her. Whether we would have carried out our intentions is a moot point but at the time we certainly meant what we said.

My son was similarly lectured and told that he would have to stand by his girlfriend if he got her pregnant and financially support her at the very least, or there would be dire consequences for him.

Part of growing up and acting as an adult was taking responsibility for one's own actions and making the best for all concerned of any that they got wrong. The message I am pleased to say hit home and later on when they had settled down with their partners both thanked us for taking such a stern if old fashioned line.

My thoughts are that Hell will freeze over before a Thai parent took a similar stance.

[h90]

My wife and I had a long serious talk with my daughter when she was about 15 years of youth and had her first serious boyfriend. We told her that indulging in sex before she was 18 was against the law although the police probably wouldn't do anything if her partner was also under age. We made it quite clear that if she became pregnant she would be on her own. We would not be washing out shitty napkins or getting up in the middle of the night to attend to the mite. We were not prepared to act as unpaid babysitters or financially bale her out. We had done the child bearing and raising bit and didn't intend going through it again. My wife and I had become parents of two by the time we has reached the age of 22 and now we wanted to catch up on some of the fun things in life that we had missed out on. Mums and Dads had lives too we reminded her. Whether we would have carried out our intentions is a moot point but at the time we certainly meant what we said.

My son was similarly lectured and told that he would have to stand by his girlfriend if he got her pregnant and financially support her at the very least, or there would be dire consequences for him.

Part of growing up and acting as an adult was taking responsibility for one's own actions and making the best for all concerned of any that they got wrong. The message I am pleased to say hit home and later on when they had settled down with their partners both thanked us for taking such a stern if old fashioned line.

My thoughts are that Hell will freeze over before a Thai parent took a similar stance.

And what did your daughter between 12 and 15?

[Semper]

My wife and I had a long serious talk with my daughter when she was about 15 years of youth and had her first serious boyfriend. We told her that indulging in sex before she was 18 was against the law although the police probably wouldn't do anything if her partner was also under age. We made it quite clear that if she became pregnant she would be on her own. We would not be washing out shitty napkins or getting up in the middle of the night to attend to the mite. We were not prepared to act as unpaid babysitters or financially bale her out. We had done the child bearing and raising bit and didn't intend going through it again. My wife and I had become parents of two by the time we has reached the age of 22 and now we wanted to catch up on some of the fun things in life that we had missed out on. Mums and Dads had lives too we reminded her. Whether we would have carried out our intentions is a moot point but at the time we certainly meant what we said.

My son was similarly lectured and told that he would have to stand by his girlfriend if he got her pregnant and financially support her at the very least, or there would be dire consequences for him.

Part of growing up and acting as an adult was taking responsibility for one's own actions and making the best for all concerned of any that they got wrong. The message I am pleased to say hit home and later on when they had settled down with their partners both thanked us for taking such a stern if old fashioned line.

My thoughts are that Hell will freeze over before a Thai parent took a similar stance.