Red Shirts To Commemorate Bangkok's 2010 Crackdown

[Buchholz]

But criminal investigations into the 2010 deaths have yet to lead to any prosecutions and the government is debating plans to offer a sweeping amnesty for the violence as part of reconciliation efforts.

The opposition says the proposed amnesty aims to bring home Thaksin, who lives abroad, to avoid a jail term for corruption. He also faces terrorism charges relating to the 2010 violence.

Families of the victims have also decried the idea of an amnesty.

Nutthaputt Akahad, the brother of a nurse who was gunned down in the grounds of a Buddhist temple while treating injured Red Shirts on May 19, said Thailand risked becoming a "lawless country" unless the killers are prosecuted.

"We have sacrificed our loved ones, some have sacrificed their freedom, but we can't sacrifice the truth, we can't sacrifice justice," he said at an event on Tuesday in the run-up to the anniversary.

http://www.channelne...1201891/1/.html

These families are getting restless. What is the position of Yingluck's PTP government pursuing amnesty when apparently a number of Red Shirts and non-Red Shirts are understandably and vehemently opposed to it?

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Edited May 17, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Red Shirt leader Jatuporn expects 200,000 UDD activists to join 2nd anniversary of protest at Ratchaprasong on Sat; police to deploy 1,200 personnel /MCOT

We have 200,000 - will someone give me 3?

In memory of CalgaryII, I give you 300,000

In memory of TAWP , I give you 10,000

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[GentlemanJim]

"Thousands of protesters are to mark the secondanniversary Saturday of a crackdown on anti-government demonstrationsin central Bangkok, which left up to 102 people dead."

As I wrote before, so now anyone remotely associated with red shirts, UDD and Pheu Thai party and dying will up the count by one? Obviously Dem's canvassers don't count of course. Only who died for the worthy cause of getting poor, innocent k. Thaksin back.

The April - May riots led to death count of 92. Later on others were killed / died, of various colours and political flavours, but they don't count in the sense of not part of the 'Ratchaprasong crackdown 2010'.

If you want to commemorated those who died because of political conflict and regarding democracy include activists who were killed protesting dams, landfills, etc., etc.

No, it's about using common sense. After the breakup of the Rally a fair few red shirt supporters were in fear of their lives and went into hiding for what seems to have turned out to be, very good reasons. 5 of those were killed in mysterious circumstances in the months after the event, enough to warrant a police investigation into those deaths. As you will not be commemorating the deaths of those red shirts what difference to you does it make how many there were?

If you're that concerned about the number why don't you consult the Abhisit Government official death toll - was there one?

Don't be so obtuse, young master Phiphidon. The total number is 92 unless officially adjusted by the TRTC or the Human Rights Watch group. Till then as normally even quoted by UDD leaders we stick to 92.

Whether or not I'll commemorate the deaths of those 5 red-shirts added has nothing to do with it. I may drop by on Saturday to commemorate those 92 whose death was totally pointless unless to further split the political divide and 'bring back Thaksin' who was shopping in Paris with his daughters. Will I you so coming Saturday ?

I will not be there physically.

So what are you going to do? Astrally Project?

[philw]

Red Shirt leader Jatuporn expects 200,000 UDD activists to join 2nd anniversary of protest at Ratchaprasong on Sat; police to deploy 1,200 personnel /MCOT

We have 200,000 - will someone give me 3?

In memory of CalgaryII, I give you 300,000

And raise you a red flag.

[ianf]

"Despite well-documented atrocities that took place in the fullview of cameras and witnesses, no Thai soldier or official has beenheld accountable," Brad Adams, Asia director of Human Rights Watch,said this week.

Dept. PM Pol. Captain Chalerm is still working on it. In the mean time I like to state that UDD leaders are totally innocent and I can offer a picture of Pheu Thai party list MP and UDD leader Jatuporn in Ghandi Tshirt as proof

Well, has a single soldier been held accountable so far?

Well, has a single red shirt/ black shirt been held accountable so far? How about the organisers who encouraged their hordes t come to Bangkok with bottles (for petrol bombs) and other ammunition and arms? Have they been held accountable yet? Let's have some balance here, please!

[Buchholz]

I wonder how many Red Shirt supporters at this event will be protesting about:

• Nobody being held accountable for deaths, no truths being revealed about the deaths, and the proposed amnesty being used to whitewash everyone who may have been held accountable and should be prosecuted
  
• Being deceived with regard to what the protests were about. They risked their lives (and some died) thinking that they were fighting against Prem and the old elites. But now Yingluck has been quite friendly with and deferrent to Prem and had "requested" from him future meetings to consult him on affairs of state.
  
• The recent death of a lese majeste detainee and Yingluck's and Pheu Thai's refusal to consider amending lese majeste law
  

Assuming that it is Thaksin's Red Shirts who are organizing this, which means that it is Thaksin's funds that are being used, I don't think any of these issues will be on the agenda on the official stage, and those who do protest about them would probably be silenced.

Yes, very much along the same lines as my post was. I'd also add the populist promises that were supposedly targeting the Red Shirt rural and urban poor. No 300 baht/15,000 baht implementation yet, no tablets yet, etc.

With all these issues, one might expect a number of vociferous speeches by the Red Shirts taking the Pheu Thai government to task for failing in several areas.

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Where would this put the dozen Red Shirt Leaders who also Pheu Thai MP's?

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Edited May 17, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

92 + 5 = 102

[tlansford]

Red Shirt leader Jatuporn expects 200,000 UDD activists to join 2nd anniversary of protest at Ratchaprasong on Sat; police to deploy 1,200 personnel /MCOT

We have 200,000 - will someone give me 3?

In memory of CalgaryII, I give you 300,000

I'd rather you gave me your miracle strategy. Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about.

I read your question.

Please do your own critical thinking. It might be more challenging than a typical trolling post.

[Lite Beer]

200,000 expected to join 2nd anniversary of red shirt protest: Jatuporn

BANGKOK, May 17 - Some 200,000 red shirt supporters are expected to join activities held by the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) -- the red shirt movement -- to mark the second anniversary Saturday of the 2010 protest against the then Abhisit Vejjajiva administration, red shirt co-leader Jatuporn Prompan said on Thursday.

Mr Jatuporn, also a Pheu Thai MP, said a stage would be set up beneath the Chit Lom BTS Skytrain station for activities at Ratchaprasong, Bangkok's prime business and shopping zone, to mark the second anniversary of the May 19 protest clampdown.

He said some 200,000 Red Shirt supporters are likely to join the event. Ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will address the crowd via video link between 7 and 8pm and will praise those who lost their lives during the protest.

The 2010 protests started peacefully in mid-March but turned deadly with sporadic grenade attacks and shooting incidents. The May 19 military operation forced them to end their protest.

More than 90 people, mainly civilians, were killed in street clashes.

Riots in the protest areas were followed by arson which destroyed or damaged more than 30 buildings, including the high-end shopping mall CentralWorld.

In a related development, Metropolitan Police Bureau spokesperson Pol Col Preeda Sataworn said Deputy Metropolitan Police Commissioner Pol Maj Gen Methee Kusolsang has been appointed to supervise security preparations and intelligence. Deputy Metropolitan Police Commissioner Pol Maj Gen Weerasak Nopsithiporn will oversee traffic around the rally site.

Col Preeda said the police expect a huge crowd will join the event, so the police would deploy five companies of police or 1,200 personnel including traffic police, investigative police and bomb squad around Ratchaprasong intersection.

The police will consider closing the traffic if the number of rallygoers increases. Food vendors using cooking gas or any inflammable materials will not be allowed to enter the area and the sale of alcoholic drinks will be banned.

Col Preeda urged motorists to avoid the roads around Ratchaprasong intersection because traffic is expected to be seriously jammed. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2012-05-17

[GentlemanJim]

We have 200,000 - will someone give me 3?

In memory of CalgaryII, I give you 300,000

I'd rather you gave me your miracle strategy. Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about.

I read your question.

Please do your own critical thinking. It might be more challenging than a typical trolling post.

I see the late shift are back on, birdpooguava has already had one silly post disappear. Is this another long night banging one's head on a brick wall on TV?

Having just seen the latest media release, why do these people have to disrupt the lives of people and businesses in this part of the city, why can't they all go and sit on the grass in lumpini park or somewhere or preferably the lake and they can all hold hands, sing kum biya and pass around the attendance payments. I can't wait to hear what they start spouting off on stage. I imagine Jatuporn will choose his words more carefully this time. It is a pity they are organizing a commemorative parade when they have not shelled out the 7 million baht compensation they promised to each of the families of all the dead. Perhaps there should be a commemorative parade for 2 years without handing out compensation.

Edited May 17, 2012 by GentlemanJim

[Buchholz]

Ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will address the crowd via video link between 7 and 8pm and will praise those who lost their lives during the protest.

Be nice if the good doctor could stick around for a Q & A session following his lecture, regarding some of these Red Shirt issues.

I wonder how many Red Shirt supporters at this event will be protesting about:

• Nobody being held accountable for deaths, no truths being revealed about the deaths, and the proposed amnesty being used to whitewash everyone who may have been held accountable and should be prosecuted
  
• Being deceived with regard to what the protests were about. They risked their lives (and some died) thinking that they were fighting against Prem and the old elites. But now Yingluck has been quite friendly with and deferrent to Prem and had "requested" from him future meetings to consult him on affairs of state.
  
• The recent death of a lese majeste detainee and Yingluck's and Pheu Thai's refusal to consider amending lese majeste law
  

I'd also add the populist promises that were supposedly targeting the Red Shirt rural and urban poor. No 300 baht/15,000 baht implementation yet, no tablets yet, etc.

With all these issues, one might expect a number of vociferous speeches by the Red Shirts taking the Pheu Thai government to task for failing in several areas.

Where would this put the dozen Red Shirt Leaders who also Pheu Thai MP's?

they have not shelled out the 7 million baht compensation they promised to each of the families of all the dead.

Edited May 17, 2012 by Buchholz

[gand]

I wonder how many Red Shirt supporters at this event will be protesting about:

• Nobody being held accountable for deaths, no truths being revealed about the deaths, and the proposed amnesty being used to whitewash everyone who may have been held accountable and should be prosecuted
  
• Being deceived with regard to what the protests were about. They risked their lives (and some died) thinking that they were fighting against Prem and the old elites. But now Yingluck has been quite friendly with and deferrent to Prem and had "requested" from him future meetings to consult him on affairs of state.
  
• The recent death of a lese majeste detainee and Yingluck's and Pheu Thai's refusal to consider amending lese majeste law
  

Assuming that it is Thaksin's Red Shirts who are organizing this, which means that it is Thaksin's funds that are being used, I don't think any of these issues will be on the agenda on the official stage, and those who do protest about them would probably be silenced.

Since Yingluck is PM, would they not be using taxpayer gov't funds this time? Or at least trying to?

[GentlemanJim]

I wonder how many Red Shirt supporters at this event will be protesting about:

• Nobody being held accountable for deaths, no truths being revealed about the deaths, and the proposed amnesty being used to whitewash everyone who may have been held accountable and should be prosecuted
  
• Being deceived with regard to what the protests were about. They risked their lives (and some died) thinking that they were fighting against Prem and the old elites. But now Yingluck has been quite friendly with and deferrent to Prem and had "requested" from him future meetings to consult him on affairs of state.
  
• The recent death of a lese majeste detainee and Yingluck's and Pheu Thai's refusal to consider amending lese majeste law
  

Assuming that it is Thaksin's Red Shirts who are organizing this, which means that it is Thaksin's funds that are being used, I don't think any of these issues will be on the agenda on the official stage, and those who do protest about them would probably be silenced.

Since Yingluck is PM, would they not be using taxpayer gov't funds this time? Or at least trying to?

Is that a serious question?, I mean seriously?

Since when can taxpayer monies be used to fund political rallies for one party or another? If that were the case each party would empty the treasury coffers on the run up to an election throwing big parties for 'reds or yellows' to try and attract voters.................or perhaps bankrupt the Education department buying tablet computers, or the agricultural department with rice pledging or the health department with...................oooh maybe you have a point." It aint what you do it's the way that you do it"......Bananarama 1980's.

[hyperdimension]

Ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will address the crowd via video link between 7 and 8pm and will praise those who lost their lives during the protest.

"Thank you for dying for me. Your reward for helping me to get back into power will be received by your families soon".

[hyperdimension]

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Edited May 17, 2012 by hyperdimension

[GentlemanJim]

Ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will address the crowd via video link between 7 and 8pm and will praise those who lost their lives during the protest.

"Thank you for dying for me. Your reward for helping me to get back into power will be received by your families soon".

More like received by the families tomorrow, which of course never comes.

[rubl]

Ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will address the crowd via video link between 7 and 8pm and will praise those who lost their lives during the protest.

All 92 of the deads, including the colonel and his staff?

"I praise you for fighting for my right to go shopping in Paris"

[bigbamboo]

Red Shirt leader Jatuporn expects 200,000 UDD activists to join 2nd anniversary of protest at Ratchaprasong on Sat; police to deploy 1,200 personnel /MCOT

We have 200,000 - will someone give me 3?

I hope he didn't get his figures from the same guy the redshirts used to estimate the numbers in Laos or else he's going to be very disappointed when it appears Rent-a-Crowd have shown up.

[whybother]

92 + 5 = 102

For you, Mr Percentage, I will break my vow of silence on numbers but last time honest. What part of

"The numbers of those killed in street battles from April 10 to May19, 2010, related to the protests vary from 92 to 102"

do you not understand?

Do they keep bringing some of them back to life?

[whybother]

Some 200,000 red shirt supporters are expected to join activities held by the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) -- the red shirt movement -- to mark the second anniversary Saturday of the 2010 protest against the then Abhisit Vejjajiva administration, red shirt co-leader Jatuporn Prompan said on Thursday.

Are they holding "activities" in 2,000 red shirt villages? That's the only way they'll get 200,000.

[GentlemanJim]

200 000!

Maths and numeracy has never been a strongpoint in the Thai education system!

[phiphidon]

At this early stage of postings (still on one page) perhaps it will be worth reiterating the following from Thidas statement

Red Shirt leader Thida Thavornseth said more than 100,000 people from across the country could converge on Bangkok for the 12-hour gathering at the Ratchaprasong intersection

That's COULD, not "would", "will definately be" or any other misrepresentation that is likely to turn up in the following days.

the spin already spun out on the first turn.

yep... it's already covered by WILL... but EXPECTED by Jatuporn is a nice rejoinder, too.

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Do you ever read posts or do you just scattergun words in response? Still, it's pointless trying to explain to the hard of reading....................

[phiphidon]

92 + 5 = 102

For you, Mr Percentage, I will break my vow of silence on numbers but last time honest. What part of

"The numbers of those killed in street battles from April 10 to May19, 2010, related to the protests vary from 92 to 102"

do you not understand?

Do they keep bringing some of them back to life?

One big joke to you isn't it?

[OzMick]

I'd rather you gave me your miracle strategy. Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about.

I read your question.

Please do your own critical thinking. It might be more challenging than a typical trolling post.

Tom, you have claimed on many occasions that the deaths should be blamed on the Democrat government and the the RTA because of their poor strategy. I have asked you repeatedly for a better one. Substantiate your own post, or admit that you don't have a better strategy and are just another troll.

[Skywalker69]

Red Shirt leader Jatuporn expects 200,000 UDD activists to join 2nd anniversary of protest at Ratchaprasong on Sat; police to deploy 1,200 personnel /MCOT

We have 200,000 - will someone give me 3?

200,003.

[mca]

Will the 'red shirts' be ARMED again? Will the 'red shirts' be firing on civilians again? Will the 'red shirts' be bringing liters of fuel to set the city and innocent civilians on fire again? Do I need to stock up on supplies so I don't have to be harassed by the 'red shirts'?

No I'm sure your rampant hysteria will get you through.

[Buchholz]

At this early stage of postings (still on one page) perhaps it will be worth reiterating the following from Thidas statement

Red Shirt leader Thida Thavornseth said more than 100,000 people from across the country could converge on Bangkok for the 12-hour gathering at the Ratchaprasong intersection

That's COULD, not "would", "will definately be" or any other misrepresentation that is likely to turn up in the following days.

the spin already spun out on the first turn.

yep... it's already covered by WILL... but EXPECTED by Jatuporn is a nice rejoinder, too.

Do you ever read posts or do you just scattergun words in response? Still, it's pointless trying to explain to the hard of reading....................

Keep spinning it.

[GentlemanJim]

I am delighted to see that this thread is now behaving exactly like the numbers of people who attend red rallies.....running out of steam!

I was always taught to make objectives realistic and importantly, achievable. If Jatuporn would have said 20 000 will attend and 50 000 did then the protest would be an incredible success, now he says 200 000, even if 80 000 turn up the whole thing is a dismal failure!

[Buchholz]

I wonder how many Red Shirt supporters at this event will be protesting about:

[*]Nobody being held accountable for deaths, no truths being revealed about the deaths, and the proposed amnesty being used to whitewash everyone who may have been held accountable and should be prosecuted

Human Rights Watch organization called for the withdrawal of an amnesty bill submitted to Parliament that would protect those involved in the 2010 abuses from prosecution.

Director of the Asia Division of Human Rights Watch Brad Adams criticized the government for failing to hold military personnel accountable.

The ruling Pheu Thai Party and coalition partners proposed on March 27 an amnesty for all of those who were involved in the 2010 violence, including leaders and supporters of political movements, politicians, government officials, and members of the security forces.

http://thailand-business-news.com/politics/38393-unaccountability-remains-two-years-after-crackdown-on-red-shirts#.T7V_hFbTD1k

It'll be interesting to see how Thida's Reds rectify the above with the below :

"We want to state that the red shirts still exist, and we still want the truth to come out and justice for the dead"

[philw]

I wonder how many Red Shirt supporters at this event will be protesting about:

[*]Nobody being held accountable for deaths, no truths being revealed about the deaths, and the proposed amnesty being used to whitewash everyone who may have been held accountable and should be prosecuted

Human Rights Watch organization called for the withdrawal of an amnesty bill submitted to Parliament that would protect those involved in the 2010 abuses from prosecution.

Director of the Asia Division of Human Rights Watch Brad Adams criticized the government for failing to hold military personnel accountable.

The ruling Pheu Thai Party and coalition partners proposed on March 27 an amnesty for all of those who were involved in the 2010 violence, including leaders and supporters of political movements, politicians, government officials, and members of the security forces.

http://thailand-busi...ts#.T7V_hFbTD1k

It'll be interesting to see how Thida's Reds rectify the above with the below :

"We want to state that the red shirts still exist, and we still want the truth to come out and justice for the dead"

Nearly right.

Have a look at the other paper.