Constitution Court Disqualifies Red Shirt Co-Leader Jatuporn Of MP Status

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Court disqualifies UDD leader Jatuporn as MP

BANGKOK, May 18 – Thailand’s Constitution Court on Friday disqualified Jatuporn Prompan, a key leader of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), as a Pheu Thai party-list member of parliament.

The verdict was delivered Friday morning, with a number of UDD Red Shirt leaders and supporters showing up at court to give Mr Jatuporn moral support.

Speaking to reporters ealier in the morning, Mr Jatuporn said he would accept the court's ruling no matter what the decision might be.

The court’s ruling upheld the decision of the Election Commission (EC) which recommended his disqualification as a Pheu Thai MP.

The EC last year ruled that Mr Jatuporn lost his party membership for failing to exercise his right to vote in the July 3 election because he was in jail weeks before the general election.

Mr Jatuporn was jailed in Bangkok Remand Prison on charges of alleged terrorism during the election, and the court rejected his request to leave prison to go to the polling station.

Loss of his political party membership means that Mr Jatuporn has lost a necessary qualification for being an MP.

He was also charged with lese majeste over comments made during a speech at a UDD rally on April 10 last year.

The Department of Special Investigation recommended not to indict him. The public prosecutors later dropped the charges against the Red Shirt co-leader. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2012-05-18

[whybother]

[Moruya]

The same justice system that found him not guilty of LM.

[whybother]

The same justice system that found him not guilty of LM.

No. It was the prosecutors that decided that he shouldn't charged. It hasn't got to the courts.

[Thai at Heart]

So what does that open him up to in terms of being prosecuted for his rather long lists of charges.

Never liked this immunity for MP's anyway. All nonsense.

Edited May 18, 2012 by Thai at Heart

[animatic]

The same justice system that found him not guilty of LM.

Yes and no.

Once it gets to the courts the long seedy arms of big money no longer hold as much sway. But those branches of justice still under the government of the day appointed Minster of Justice,

can still be tweaked to suit the needs of the power broker of the moment.

That is why the LM was dropped,

but this MP status case had passed by the Justice Ministers domain

via the EC, and direct to the less manipulatable courts, and we see the result.

This is good news, even if he will just be slid into a cabinet seat.

But even better news because this UN-stalls his immunity provided prosecutions for other things. Some of which may well be too large to quash, even with huge amounts of money in play.

Edited May 18, 2012 by animatic

[OzMick]

"Mr Jatuporn said he would accept the court's ruling........"

How bloody noble of him. That wiped the cheesy grin right off his mug dial, didn't it.

[Buchholz]

The same justice system that found him not guilty of LM.

No. It was the prosecutors that decided that he shouldn't charged. It hasn't got to the courts.

It won't. The prosecutors have dropped the case.

In his MP disqualification case, it's a positive step when an open and shut case reaches its logical conclusion.

Not voting = Not eligible to run = No MP

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[Moruya]

The same justice system that found him not guilty of LM.

No. It was the prosecutors that decided that he shouldn't charged. It hasn't got to the courts.

Same justice system

[Skywalker69]

+1

[Buchholz]

So what does that open him up to in terms of being prosecuted for his rather long lists of charges.

Never liked this immunity for MP's anyway. All nonsense.

It probably won't impact at all on the timing it takes for his multiple charges to reach adjudication.

It could mean there will be a bail review and if he's determined to have violated the conditions of bail, he could be returned to jail to await those hearings.

btw, his violating his bail conditions earlier is what put him in jail in the first place that led to him not voting.

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[noahvail]

Quote: "Red-shirt leader Jatuporn has arrived at Constitution Court; he says he's not worried about the verdict as it's a minor issue /TANN"

Well, if losing one's status as a Member of Parliament is a "minor issue" then I wonder his contingency plan is...

[Buchholz]

"Mr Jatuporn said he would accept the court's ruling........"

How bloody noble of him. That wiped the cheesy grin right off his mug dial, didn't it.

A truly magnanimous gesture on his part this time to accept the ruling.

The alternative being his earlier action of publishing judges names and addresses and encouraging Red Shirts to pay them a visit.

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[Buchholz]

Quote: "Red-shirt leader Jatuporn has arrived at Constitution Court; he says he's not worried about the verdict as it's a minor issue /TANN"

Well, if losing one's status as a Member of Parliament is a "minor issue" then I wonder his contingency plan is...

Accepting the Deputy Interior Minister position in Yingluck's Cabinet.

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[whybother]

In his MP disqualification case, it's a positive step when an open and shut case reaches its logical conclusion.

Not voting = Not eligible to run = No MP

Actually, it's:

Being in jail = Not being a PTP member = Not eligible to run = No MP

[Moruya]

The same justice system that found him not guilty of LM.

Yes and no.

Once it gets to the courts the long seedy arms of big money no longer hold as much sway. But those branches of justice still under the government of the day appointed Minster of Justice,

can still be tweaked to suit the needs of the power broker of the moment.

That is why the LM was dropped,

but this MP status case had passed by the Justice Ministers domain

via the EC, and direct to the less manipulatable courts, and we see the result.

This is good news, even if he will just be slid into a cabinet seat.

But even better news because this UN-stalls his immunity provided prosecutions for other things. Some of which may well be too large to quash, even with huge amounts of money in play.

I believe the Constitutional Court has 15 members - 7 from the Judiciary and 8 from the Senate

[whybother]

"Mr Jatuporn said he would accept the court's ruling........"

How bloody noble of him. That wiped the cheesy grin right off his mug dial, didn't it.

He said that BEFORE the decision. I wonder what his thoughts are now that he has been disqualified.

[Moruya]

"Mr Jatuporn said he would accept the court's ruling........"

How bloody noble of him. That wiped the cheesy grin right off his mug dial, didn't it.

Thaksin said the same.

Twice.

[phiphidon]

The same justice system that found him not guilty of LM.

Yes and no.

Once it gets to the courts the long seedy arms of big money no longer hold as much sway. But those branches of justice still under the government of the day appointed Minster of Justice,

can still be tweaked to suit the needs of the power broker of the moment.

That is why the LM was dropped,

but this MP status case had passed by the Justice Ministers domain

via the EC, and direct to the less manipulatable courts, and we see the result.

This is good news, even if he will just be slid into a cabinet seat.

But even better news because this UN-stalls his immunity provided prosecutions for other things. Some of which may well be too large to quash, even with huge amounts of money in play.

"That is why the LM was dropped,

but this MP status case had passed by the Justice Ministers domain

via the EC, and direct to the less manipulatable courts, and we see the result."

Have you actually read why the LM charge was dropped? Strange as it may seem to you it was nothing to do with manipulating the judges or DSI but merely down to interpretation as to towards whom the remarks were made in their full context.

As I know you are a unbiased individual that is willing to accept facts if they are proven I suggest you do a bit of googling. I'll give you a clue, the remarks were made about Suthep and Abhisit not a certain other individual.

[phiphidon]

So what does that open him up to in terms of being prosecuted for his rather long lists of charges.

Never liked this immunity for MP's anyway. All nonsense.

It probably won't impact at all on the timing it takes for his multiple charges to reach adjudication.

It could mean there will be a bail review and if he's determined to have violated the conditions of bail, he could be returned to jail to await those hearings.

btw, his violating his bail conditions earlier is what put him in jail in the first place that led to him not voting.

.

What were those "violating his bail" conditions that led him to jail in the first place? It will be complicated if that violation was the Lese Majeste case that has been recently dropped, or was it something else?

[whybother]

"That is why the LM was dropped,

but this MP status case had passed by the Justice Ministers domain

via the EC, and direct to the less manipulatable courts, and we see the result."

Have you actually read why the LM charge was dropped? Strange as it may seem to you it was nothing to do with manipulating the judges or DSI but merely down to interpretation as to towards whom the remarks were made in their full context.

As I know you are a unbiased individual that is willing to accept facts if they are proven I suggest you do a bit of googling. I'll give you a clue, the remarks were made about Suthep and Abhisit not a certain other individual.

I thought the charges were dropped because the evidence wasn't clear enough.

[Moruya]

So what does that open him up to in terms of being prosecuted for his rather long lists of charges.

Never liked this immunity for MP's anyway. All nonsense.

It probably won't impact at all on the timing it takes for his multiple charges to reach adjudication.

It could mean there will be a bail review and if he's determined to have violated the conditions of bail, he could be returned to jail to await those hearings.

btw, his violating his bail conditions earlier is what put him in jail in the first place that led to him not voting.

.

What were those "violating his bail" conditions that led him to jail in the first place? It will be complicated if that violation was the Lese Majeste case that has been recently dropped, or was it something else?

I beleive the conditions were simple - no addressing of public rallies.

Unfortunately motor mouth being motor mouth and being a few big ends short of a full crankcase........

[Moruya]

"That is why the LM was dropped,

but this MP status case had passed by the Justice Ministers domain

via the EC, and direct to the less manipulatable courts, and we see the result."

Have you actually read why the LM charge was dropped? Strange as it may seem to you it was nothing to do with manipulating the judges or DSI but merely down to interpretation as to towards whom the remarks were made in their full context.

As I know you are a unbiased individual that is willing to accept facts if they are proven I suggest you do a bit of googling. I'll give you a clue, the remarks were made about Suthep and Abhisit not a certain other individual.

I thought the charges were dropped because the evidence wasn't clear enough.

Maybe something was lost in the translation but it was clear to me in the English version where Jatuporn thought the army sourced their bullets.

[thaihome]

Quote: "Red-shirt leader Jatuporn has arrived at Constitution Court; he says he's not worried about the verdict as it's a minor issue /TANN"

Well, if losing one's status as a Member of Parliament is a "minor issue" then I wonder his contingency plan is...

Accepting the Deputy Interior Minister position in Yingluck's Cabinet.

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And since the PTP's prefers that party list MP's resign their MP seats when accepting cabinet positons is is indeed a minor issue.

TH

[JayBangkok]

So what does that open him up to in terms of being prosecuted for his rather long lists of charges.

Never liked this immunity for MP's anyway. All nonsense.

If they remove immunity for MP's all those crooks will have to behave

[Buchholz]

The same justice system that found him not guilty of LM.

Yes and no.

Once it gets to the courts the long seedy arms of big money no longer hold as much sway. But those branches of justice still under the government of the day appointed Minster of Justice,

can still be tweaked to suit the needs of the power broker of the moment.

That is why the LM was dropped,

but this MP status case had passed by the Justice Ministers domain

via the EC, and direct to the less manipulatable courts, and we see the result.

This is good news, even if he will just be slid into a cabinet seat.

But even better news because this UN-stalls his immunity provided prosecutions for other things. Some of which may well be too large to quash, even with huge amounts of money in play.

I believe the Constitutional Court has 15 members - 7 from the Judiciary and 8 from the Senate

There are 9 judges (including one President) on the Constitutional Court.

http://www.constitutionalcourt.or.th/dmdocuments/Composition%20of%20the%20Constitutional%20Court.pdf

[Thai at Heart]

So what does that open him up to in terms of being prosecuted for his rather long lists of charges.

Never liked this immunity for MP's anyway. All nonsense.

If they remove immunity for MP's all those crooks will have to behave

Without a doubt. When people accused of murder or terrorism can hide behind parliamentary immunity it is a travesty of the law. I understand certain types of immunity to prevent blackmail etc, but the way it is used in Thailand it is a joke.

I think they should do a Capone on the lot of them. God knows how much tax evasion is sitting in the parliament.

[Buchholz]

So what does that open him up to in terms of being prosecuted for his rather long lists of charges.

Never liked this immunity for MP's anyway. All nonsense.

It probably won't impact at all on the timing it takes for his multiple charges to reach adjudication.

It could mean there will be a bail review and if he's determined to have violated the conditions of bail, he could be returned to jail to await those hearings.

btw, his violating his bail conditions earlier is what put him in jail in the first place that led to him not voting.

.

What were those "violating his bail" conditions that led him to jail in the first place? It will be complicated if that violation was the Lese Majeste case that has been recently dropped, or was it something else?

The condition was for being a "Jatuporn" about other things, not the LM.

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[craigt3365]

does he have to be a member of PTP to hold a cabinet position?

[Buchholz]

Quote: "Red-shirt leader Jatuporn has arrived at Constitution Court; he says he's not worried about the verdict as it's a minor issue /TANN"

Well, if losing one's status as a Member of Parliament is a "minor issue" then I wonder his contingency plan is...

Accepting the Deputy Interior Minister position in Yingluck's Cabinet.

.

And since the PTP's prefers that party list MP's resign their MP seats when accepting cabinet positons is is indeed a minor issue.

The Pheu Thai and their ministers prefer to do what they are directed to do...

Thaksin Tells Pheu Thai Ministers To Resign Party-List Mps

http://www.thaivisa....party-list-mps/

Edited May 18, 2012 by Buchholz