Constitution Court Disqualifies Red Shirt Co-Leader Jatuporn Of MP Status

[phiphidon]

You don't understand my political stance, why should you, you're not me and thats not an insult. I wasn't supporting jatuporn. However I was pointing out the hypocrisy that is displayed on this forum at times.

The mere mention of jatuporn on here gets people frothing as if he is the devil incarnate. Sure he is not a pleasant guy by any low standards but he's just a guy with a big mouth - the dems had suthep, though arguably more dangerous.

But an "alleged" killer MP in the democratic party walks around and not a word is said - I find that person more demonic than jatuporn.

That is because you fail to recognise that Jatuporn et al were the bellwethers that lead the red sheeple to their slaughter at Bangkok. I see him as part of conspiracy which eventually caused the death of 92 people, and richly paid for doing it.

Unless you can explain how a political activist gets to be a millionaire virtually overnight.

Never mention the slaughter word - the response to anybody even slightly remotely red leaning that mentions those emotive words has been:

(? Insert number of deaths) Give me an AK47 and enough ammunition and I'll show you a slaughter (? Insert number of deaths) Hah!

How come 20,000 Security Forces only killed (? Insert number of deaths) They were being restrained, that was no slaughter.

(? Insert number of bullets) fired? How come only (? Insert number of deaths) died. They must have been bad shots HaHa!

And what about the number of soldiers killed, the woman at the BTS Station, the (insert as many casulties as you think you can get away with) that were shot by the red shirts themselves to blame the government................

Just a few of the responses on this forum in the past couple of years

I do hope that this time someone will take this seriously and bring ALL the people responsible for all of the deaths to justice.

[soundman]

(3) having graduated with not lower than a Bachelor’s degree or its equivalent;

What's his degree?

Bachelor of Political Science (Politics and Government), Ramkhamhaeng University

.

Where you pay and get your certificate.

Not recognized outside Thailand and, intellectually, worth less an old UK 11 plus. ,

Incedently, deputy PM Chalerm Yubamrung has a Doctor's in Law from the above mentioned university......

[phiphidon]

...Jatuporn was detained on charges of defaming the monarchy during a speech at a rally on the first anniversary of one of the bloodiest days of the 2010 protests. He was freed on bail when parliament convened in August 2011 and has yet to stand trial.

-- (c) Copyright AFP 2012-05-18

I thought his bail from the May 2010 charges was revoked because he violated the conditions by making the speech. The LM charges came while he was in jail.

TH

That was why I was asking. If his "revoking bail" charge was down to the LM charge that has since been dropped presumably he would have been "illegally" jailed for revoking bail. Buchholz tells me it was for other things and for "being jatuporn" but didn't provide specifics of the "other things".

Just curious how this will end up. It will certainly not calm things down and Jutuporn will definately play the martyr here. Will it be worth it............................

[GentlemanJim]

What's his degree?

Bachelor of Political Science (Politics and Government), Ramkhamhaeng University

.

Where you pay and get your certificate.

Not recognized outside Thailand and, intellectually, worth less an old UK 11 plus. ,

Incedently, deputy PM Chalerm Yubamrung has a Doctor's in Law from the above mentioned university......

Does anybody know how much they are please, I want to buy a certificate for my PhD in Hindsight! By the way I am not spelling police but cannot resist on picking up a Mod

[phiphidon]

(3) having graduated with not lower than a Bachelor’s degree or its equivalent;

What's his degree?

Bachelor of Political Science (Politics and Government), Ramkhamhaeng University

.

Where you pay and get your certificate.

Not recognized outside Thailand and, intellectually, worth less an old UK 11 plus. ,

Actually, an old UK 11 plus pass was worth something with regard to future educational opportunities. For a start it did open up the way to grammar school education and its usual route to degree education ( not for everybody granted but it was an advantage), but I digress, sorry.

[Crushdepth]

phiphidon

sometimes I understand your political stance, but at times like this, supporting yet another criminal, who has been tried in the courts under the present Government you should simply be ashamed of yourself!

As for the Dem politician, sure, get him tried and if guilty send him to jail and let him share a cell with Chalerm and his son.

You don't understand my political stance, why should you, you're not me and thats not an insult. I wasn't supporting jatuporn. However I was pointing out the hypocrisy that is displayed on this forum at times.

The mere mention of jatuporn on here gets people frothing as if he is the devil incarnate. Sure he is not a pleasant guy by any low standards but he's just a guy with a big mouth - the dems had suthep, though arguably more dangerous.

But an "alleged" killer MP in the democratic party walks around and not a word is said - I find that person more demonic than jatuporn.

But you are quite happy with Chalerm and his sons. Worse than Jatuporn? Really?

[hellodolly]

does he have to be a member of PTP to hold a cabinet position?

No

Well we all know that Thaksin isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. That is why he is living in Dubai and holding citizenship in another country. But I think he is probably happy to be rid of this clown. He much prefers to make all the stupid statements himself and Jatuporn was trying to upstage him.

Puts Jatuporn between a rock and a hard spot. I am fairly sure Thaksin is not interested in having a rabble rouser on staff now.

[hellodolly]

phiphidon

sometimes I understand your political stance, but at times like this, supporting yet another criminal, who has been tried in the courts under the present Government you should simply be ashamed of yourself!

As for the Dem politician, sure, get him tried and if guilty send him to jail and let him share a cell with Chalerm and his son.

You don't understand my political stance, why should you, you're not me and thats not an insult. I wasn't supporting jatuporn. However I was pointing out the hypocrisy that is displayed on this forum at times.

The mere mention of jatuporn on here gets people frothing as if he is the devil incarnate. Sure he is not a pleasant guy by any low standards but he's just a guy with a big mouth - the dems had suthep, though arguably more dangerous.

But an "alleged" killer MP in the democratic party walks around and not a word is said - I find that person more demonic than jatuporn.

But you are quite happy with Chalerm and his sons. Worse than Jatuporn? Really?

Could phiphidon be more specific in alleging. Like who is he alleging to be a killer MP walking around.

He seems unable to see the forest because the trees are in the way.

He is completely ineligible to defend any of his PT buddies without referring to the Dems and alleging this and that.

He has yet to mention one thing the Thai Rak Thai Party did wrong.

In his mind the Dem's were the only ones to ever do any thing wrong.

Notice it is only the Dem's who have done wrong in the past.

Edited May 18, 2012 by hellodolly

[hellodolly]

Now he have more time to appear on that thug red tv channel and perhaps be a promoter of red villages .a perfect example of what the government wants.Reconcillation?:

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I think he would could be a asset in building red shirt pavilions. They look about simple enough for him. And if it dosen't work out he can always burn it down.

[rubl]

Read all 128 replies, lots of nonsense as to be expected, some speculation, some "but, the others ...". In other words the usual fun here.

To summarise (somewhat):

- K. Jatuporn will loose his MP position (or may have lost it by now).

- K. Jatuporn is still Pheu Thai party member

- K. Jatuporn still faces other cases for which his previously granted bail/immunity may no longer apply

- K. Jatuporn is eligeble for a cabinet position as he's not convicted, only charged

- K. Jatuporn is a hard-working person and good looking (as said by Dept. PM Pol. Captain Chalerm a week or so ago)

Did I leave out anything important ?

[webfact]

Constitution Court disqualifies Jatuporn as a party-list MP

Tossaporn Wongwaikolayut

The Nation

Disqualified MP Jatuporn Promphan tearfully waves to red-shirt supporters waiting for him outside the Constitution Court.

Judges rule 7-1 that as Jatuporn was barred from voting, he ceased to be a Pheu Thai member

BANGKOK: -- The Constitution Court yesterday disqualified Jatuporn Promphan as a party-list MP of the ruling Pheu Thai Party for failing to cast his vote in last year's general election.

At that time, Jatuporn, as a red-shirt leader, was being detained in connection with the unrest and riots in 2010.

Reading of the verdict started at 10.35am, with many red-shirt supporters gathering and cheering Jatuporn at the court.

In addition to Jatuporn, other red-shirt leaders were also present in the courtroom, including Deputy Agriculture Minister Natthawut Saikua, Kokaew Pikulthong, Weng Tojirakarn and Thida Tawornseth.

Shortly before the ruling was read, Constitution Court President Wasant Soypisut announced that eight of the nine justices were involved in the verdict. One judge, Jaran Pukditanakul, had withdrawn from the case to avoid a conflict of interest, as his wife had filed a defamation lawsuit against Jatuporn.

In the case brought to court by the Election Commission, the judges had considered three issues to determine whether Jatuporn should be disqualified, as had been suggested by the EC.

Regarding the question whether Jatuporn was prohibited from voting, the verdict said that Jatuporn was being detained on election day and the Criminal Court did not grant his request for temporary release. The Constitution prohibits a person detained lawfully from casting his vote. Next, the judges considered whether Jatuporn was still a Pheu Thai Party member after he was prohibited to vote.

The Political Party Act specifies that party members are required to be free from any prohibition stated in the Constitution. The judges found that Jatuporn's party membership had ended as he did not have the right to vote.

Last, the judges considered whether Jatuporn's status as a party-list MP still existed after his party membership was terminated. The Constitution and Articles 106 and 101 of the Penal Code state that a party-list MP is required to be a political-party member.

The eight judges voted 7 to 1 to disqualify Jatuporn as an MP because his party membership was terminated following his detention.

Jatuporn's red-shirt supporters went into uproar and voiced their dissatisfaction at the court's ruling. Many of them shouted angrily at the closed-circuit television sets broadcasting from the courtroom. "The court has double standards. There is no justice here," one of Jatuporn's supporters yelled angrily. Others tried to cheer him up, offering him bouquets of flowers, although they appeared to be disappointed.

In response to the verdict, Jatuporn said that it was not beyond his expectation.

"I prepared myself for such a ruling and I am willing to accept it. I don't feel anything now. It was my misfortune. But we all know that the red shirts' life is not a bed of roses," Jatuporn said.

"I must apologise for disappointing the red shirts. Thanks to the court and the EC, I am aware that we still have to fight on for justice. Now, even if I'm no longer an MP, I'm still alive; I am not wounded or jailed. I still have the duty to fight for democracy and for the dead red shirts."

Regarding his political future, Jatuporn said he would apply to become a Pheu Thai member again. However, he refused to comment on the possibility of being appointed to the Cabinet, adding that it would depend on Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra.

Red-shirt leader Natthawut Saikua asked fellow red shirts to be patient and stay conscious, saying that: "Obstacles make you stronger."

"Although Jatuporn is not an MP, he's still my brother and that is most magnificent," Natthawut said.

The red shirts today mark the second anniversary of the May 19 incident at the Ratchaprasong intersection from noon. About 200,000 people are expected to take part in the event.

-- The Nation 2012-05-19

[Buchholz]

What's his degree?

Bachelor of Political Science (Politics and Government), Ramkhamhaeng University

.

Where you pay and get your certificate.

Not recognized outside Thailand and, intellectually, worth less an old UK 11 plus.

Incidentally, deputy PM Chalerm Yubamrung has a Doctor's in Law from the above mentioned university......

It's also where Shinawatra's son, Oaf, was caught cheating on an exam...and still graduated.

.

[OzMick]

That said, It's also probably a good idea to stay well the f*** away from Ratchaprasong or any other red shirt gathering tomorrow.

Proverbs 22 >> New Living Translation

A prudent person foresees danger and takes precautions.

The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.

.

phiphidon Verse 01

Nothing to worry about

Could be busy

Don't take your car

Queues in MacDonalds could be longer than usual

Prada is over priced tat anyway, you can do without it..................

You forgot one

Wipe the shit off your shoes before you get on the bus to go home

[Buchholz]

Read all 128 replies, lots of nonsense as to be expected, some speculation, some "but, the others ...". In other words the usual fun here.

To summarise (somewhat):

- K. Jatuporn will loose his MP position (or may have lost it by now).

- K. Jatuporn is still Pheu Thai party member

- K. Jatuporn still faces other cases for which his previously granted bail/immunity may no longer apply

- K. Jatuporn is eligeble for a cabinet position as he's not convicted, only charged

- K. Jatuporn is a hard-working person and good looking (as said by Dept. PM Pol. Captain Chalerm a week or so ago)

Did I leave out anything important ?

- Jatuporn's MP revocation was immediate

- Jatuporn is no longer a member of Pheu Thai Party

As for supportive testimonials, I think the Deputy Agriculture Minister, fellow Red Shirt Leader, and fellow Pheu Thai Party MP Natthawut, who attended the verdict in the court room, said it best after the decision was rendered:

"He's still my brother and that is most magnificent"

However, fellow Red Shirt Leader and fellow Pheu Thai Party MP Weng, who also attended the verdict reading in the court room, might still top that. His Weng-isms are legendary and invariably hugely profound.

.

Edited May 18, 2012 by Buchholz

[OzMick]

You don't understand my political stance, why should you, you're not me and thats not an insult. I wasn't supporting jatuporn. However I was pointing out the hypocrisy that is displayed on this forum at times.

The mere mention of jatuporn on here gets people frothing as if he is the devil incarnate. Sure he is not a pleasant guy by any low standards but he's just a guy with a big mouth - the dems had suthep, though arguably more dangerous.

But an "alleged" killer MP in the democratic party walks around and not a word is said - I find that person more demonic than jatuporn.

That is because you fail to recognise that Jatuporn et al were the bellwethers that lead the red sheeple to their slaughter at Bangkok. I see him as part of conspiracy which eventually caused the death of 92 people, and richly paid for doing it.

Unless you can explain how a political activist gets to be a millionaire virtually overnight.

Never mention the slaughter word - the response to anybody even slightly remotely red leaning that mentions those emotive words has been:

(? Insert number of deaths) Give me an AK47 and enough ammunition and I'll show you a slaughter (? Insert number of deaths) Hah!

How come 20,000 Security Forces only killed (? Insert number of deaths) They were being restrained, that was no slaughter.

(? Insert number of bullets) fired? How come only (? Insert number of deaths) died. They must have been bad shots HaHa!

And what about the number of soldiers killed, the woman at the BTS Station, the (insert as many casulties as you think you can get away with) that were shot by the red shirts themselves to blame the government................

Just a few of the responses on this forum in the past couple of years

I do hope that this time someone will take this seriously and bring ALL the people responsible for all of the deaths to justice.

Quick change of subject there PPD, but showing you ignorance, possibly Freudian.

RTA use M-16s and shotguns, AK-47s were used by the red shirts.

When they bring people to justice, they should start with those who planned the event. Then progress to the mercenary agitators like our Jatuporn who got the sheeple all stirred up and led them to the abbatoir, and then try to find the those holding the guns and M79s. For some reason they appear to be working in reverse order, but no worries, there is no SoL on murder/terrorism.

[OzMick]

...Jatuporn was detained on charges of defaming the monarchy during a speech at a rally on the first anniversary of one of the bloodiest days of the 2010 protests. He was freed on bail when parliament convened in August 2011 and has yet to stand trial.

-- (c) Copyright AFP 2012-05-18

I thought his bail from the May 2010 charges was revoked because he violated the conditions by making the speech. The LM charges came while he was in jail.

TH

That was why I was asking. If his "revoking bail" charge was down to the LM charge that has since been dropped presumably he would have been "illegally" jailed for revoking bail. Buchholz tells me it was for other things and for "being jatuporn" but didn't provide specifics of the "other things".

Just curious how this will end up. It will certainly not calm things down and Jutuporn will definately play the martyr here. Will it be worth it............................

As an legal argument, that doesn't hold water, as one of his bail conditions was not to address public gatherings. What he said was irrelevant.

But that won't stop it from being pronounced as fact on the stage today, along with the usual BS cries of "judicial coup"

Will it be worth playing the martyr? Probably not, only the moronic would entertain the concept.

Will obeying the law be worth the trouble the morons will cause? No of course not, best to give in to mob rule, it's the red shirt way.

[David48]

BANGKOK: -- The Constitution Court yesterday disqualified Jatuporn Promphan as a party-list MP of the ruling Pheu Thai Party for failing to cast his vote in last year's general election.

The eight judges voted 7 to 1 to disqualify Jatuporn as an MP because his party membership was terminated following his detention.

In light of the political context in Thailand, does anyone consider that a bold move by the Constitution Court?

The inference being that the Court ruled against a prominent member of the ruling Political Party

Edited May 19, 2012 by David48

[SomTumTiger]

Jatuporn is a scumbag - hope it goes back to jail. Frankly all Thai politicians are...lock em all up.

[Buchholz]

BANGKOK: -- The Constitution Court yesterday disqualified Jatuporn Promphan as a party-list MP of the ruling Pheu Thai Party for failing to cast his vote in last year's general election.

In light of the political context in Thailand, does anyone consider that a bold move by the Constitution Court?

The inference being that the Court ruled against a prominent member of the ruling Political Party

Based on the events and the law, it was an open and shut case from the very beginning with no viable defense.

A bold move would have been to disregard the facts and law and find him not guilty.

.

[GentlemanJim]

BANGKOK: -- The Constitution Court yesterday disqualified Jatuporn Promphan as a party-list MP of the ruling Pheu Thai Party for failing to cast his vote in last year's general election.

The eight judges voted 7 to 1 to disqualify Jatuporn as an MP because his party membership was terminated following his detention.

In light of the political context in Thailand, does anyone consider that a bold move by the Constitution Court?

The inference being that the Court ruled against a prominent member of the ruling Political Party

Surely the inference must be that the Judges, despite the current political situation have made an objective impartial judgement. They have followed the rule of law, and Jatuporn broke it.

[mic6ard]

how can one be part of the cabinet if he's not a party member or MP??? Thought they goes together?

[Crushdepth]

BANGKOK: -- The Constitution Court yesterday disqualified Jatuporn Promphan as a party-list MP of the ruling Pheu Thai Party for failing to cast his vote in last year's general election.

The eight judges voted 7 to 1 to disqualify Jatuporn as an MP because his party membership was terminated following his detention.

In light of the political context in Thailand, does anyone consider that a bold move by the Constitution Court?

The inference being that the Court ruled against a prominent member of the ruling Political Party

It shows that the court is doing its job. Its just a shame that such a clear cut case took so long to deal with.

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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

To summarise (somewhat):

- K. Jatuporn still faces other cases for which his previously granted bail/immunity may no longer apply

- K. Jatuporn is eligeble for a cabinet position as he's not convicted, only charged

Someone earlier in this thread posted the supposed requirements for holding a Thai cabinet post... And I thought the language I read there talked about not having a conviction or "being under indictment."

That's why I asked the question earlier about whether he was still facing other charges, apart from the dismissed LM case. I thought he was still facing other, unresolved charges. Thus he would seem to still be "under indictment."

See post 100 by Hyperdimension... For some reason I can't link to it right now... But it's referencing the qualifications for Thai Cabinet as listed on Wikipedia...

The individual must also: not be addicted to drugs, not having been bankrupt, not a monk or a member of the clergy, not be disenfranchised, not be mentally infirm, not be under indictment or conviction, not having been expelled by a state agency for corruption or incompetence, not be a paid civil servant or member of the judiciary and not ever been removed from any office by the Senate of Thailand.

Of course, a decent argument also could be made on the grounds of "not be mentally unfirm."

Edited May 19, 2012 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[hellodolly]

Read all 128 replies, lots of nonsense as to be expected, some speculation, some "but, the others ...". In other words the usual fun here.

To summarise (somewhat):

- K. Jatuporn will loose his MP position (or may have lost it by now).

- K. Jatuporn is still Pheu Thai party member

- K. Jatuporn still faces other cases for which his previously granted bail/immunity may no longer apply

- K. Jatuporn is eligeble for a cabinet position as he's not convicted, only charged

- K. Jatuporn is a hard-working person and good looking (as said by Dept. PM Pol. Captain Chalerm a week or so ago)

Did I leave out anything important ?

You might mentiopn Yingluck thought him hard working and honorable.

[TPI]

+1

++1

[Moruya]

If Thailand's democracy coeffeicient drops any lower it will pale in the shadow of Iraq.

[Macmundi]

Expel him out of the country if Thailand seeks peace.

[Skywalker69]

"Jutaporn is considered a competent and dedicated person" I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Terrible, just terrible. Proof positive, these people are dangerous as hell, and I can't for the life of me understand why everyone on this message board can't see it that way. The largely uninformed and under-educated good folks up in the Isaan, fair enough, the Red Shirt rouse has alot of 'em fooled. I do have hope that this band of greedy exploiters will be someday seen largely for what they truly are: Those who shamelessly and selfishly use the poor for their own ends, yet at the same time claim to be one of them!

Good post! thanks

[Buchholz]

Democrat Seeks Dissolution of Pheu Thai Party

The Democrat Party' legal team is poised to file a dissolution complaint against the governing Pheu Thai Party, claiming its leader's endorsement for a red-shirt leader whose MP status has been stripped to contest in last year's election was illegal.

Democrat MP for Songkhla Province, Wirat Kanlayasiri, said Pheu Thai Party Leader Yongyuth Wichaidit violated the Constitution's organic law on political parties for his endorsement of red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan to run in last year's election as its Party-list MP candidate.

The Constitution Court last week disqualified Jatuporn as MP given he could not vote in last year's election as he was still in prison at that time.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra maintained her party always abides by the law while declining to comment on the Democrats' move.

-- Tan Network 2012-05-21

[Thai at Heart]

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra maintained her party always abides by the law while declining to comment on the Democrats' move.

I wish the "no comment" habit would infect a few more of the moronic idiots in the parliament.