Thaksin's Son Praises Sonthi For 'Unlocking Nation'

[phiphidon]

HI GK - For what it's worth, I have a BA in Chinese, an MA in Islamic Studies and a PH.D in Central Asian History - all from top flight UK universities. Maybe I'm dumb jerk, but I still think you are arrogant, predictable and seriously wrong.

No BA or MA in people skills though, it appears.

Edited May 30, 2012 by phiphidon

[phiphidon]

Panthongtae Shinawatra, the son of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, Tuesday praised former coup leader Gen Sonthi Boonyaratglin for proposing a reconciliation bill.

When are they going to stop calling it "reconciliation" and start to call it for what it is "withewash of a convicted criminal"

This only applies if one takes the stance, that there is, and only ever has been, one person in Thailand guilty of crime...a very compassionate view in the interests of reconciliation, I commend your ability to rise above the run of the mill criticism of the red shirts and the military....though you may find others are not so accommodating

Well said, geo! Some may be mildly sarcastic, some downright cynical. Your own view you have not stated in this post (of course).

Gen. Sonthi should be praised for the non-violent coup he and his team staged in September 2006. On the other hand it may be necessary for him to have his head examined to understand why he undertakes further actions which are praised by his erstwhile opponents and enemies.

To have the 'media king' Panthongtae defend his father, painting him as 'political' victim is almost as hilarious as as if one of Murdoch's sons doing similar.

BTW no need to provide further details, we already tapped your phone

Oh dear, I didn't realise you supported the coup. Wouldn't you rather have had the Democrat Party do the democratic thing and vote Thaksin and his party out at the Polls in the October Election? They would only have had to wait about a month before they had their chance. They obviously took it seriously as they were campaigning this time as opposed to boycotting.

[OzMick]

A PM that refuses to leave the position he no longer legally holds is a coup, Removing a PM that refuses to leave the position he no longer legally holds is not a coup,

what do you call a coup that occurs in between elections?

How many coups occur during elections? Is there a 3rd alternative?

[OzMick]

Oh dear, I didn't realise you supported the coup. Wouldn't you rather have had the Democrat Party do the democratic thing and vote Thaksin and his party out at the Polls in the October Election? They would only have had to wait about a month before they had their chance. They obviously took it seriously as they were campaigning this time as opposed to boycotting.

D'oh! The coup was conducted by the RTA, not the Democrat Party. The fact that the Democrats were seriously campaigning suggests that they had no idea it was about to happen.

How do you produce such twisted logic?

[phiphidon]

The emotions of fear, jealousy and bitterness are discernible in this thread. Why are comments unrelated to the specifics of the man's comments posted? Character assassination is the m.o. of the bitter brigade, once again. Snide comments made about education, coming from people with limited education. Fascinating insight.

Fear, jealousy and bitterness, this is what you see. Fascinating insight is good for someone with limited education, than he can avoid character assassination by closing his incompetent mouth. To be a son of someone doesn't protect you against remarks of critical people. Sorry, I forgot you.

Unfortunately, the remarks of the critical people are absolute hypocrisy. There is one chap weighing in on this thread, that took great delight in providing in detail his delight at being incarcerated because he refused to recognize the authority of the police or the courts in their attempts to enforce speeding laws. There's another person that has delighted in tales of of debauchery with bargirls.

There is always a place for constructive criticism and a different view in Thai politics. I have no problem with that. However, it really is quite petty when someone posts a picture of someone posing with a plate and mocks the subject for his physical appearance. Had the lad been morbidly obese and a slob like some of the people commenting, would that have made him acceptable?. How does the lad's physical appearance have anything to do with the thread? There hasn't been anything substantive stated in this thread. Instead. it is a regurgitation of childish insults.

How is it wrong to put a picture to the face cited in a news article?

Nothing wrong at all if it actually adds value to the discussion. Adding comments to the photos (normally disparaging) doesn't add value unless you like schoolboy humour. Ah.................

[smedly]

simple truth here - he is headging his position, nothing more nothing less

he obviously thinks Thaksin will be back

[OzMick]

the guy cant even string a sentence together in English. Doubtful if he even did the work for this degree.

check this out, [media=]

[/media] the thaksin rap.

And how is your fluency in Thai?

Apparently, his language skills were sufficient to build a company. What did your language skills achieve?

Thaksin ran a number of companies that failed miserably, despite corrupt contracts from his FIL and even when Chalerm was helping him. Until he " was given a monopoly contract by his contacts in the military in 1986." Worth billions, absolutely free, with no competition.

The "world's greatest businessman" with an empire built on graft and corruption. And for some reason that makes you all giddy.

"Behind every great fortune there is a great crime." Balzac (?)

[phiphidon]

A PM that refuses to leave the position he no longer legally holds is a coup, Removing a PM that refuses to leave the position he no longer legally holds is not a coup,

what do you call a coup that occurs in between elections?

How many coups occur during elections? Is there a 3rd alternative?

I'm not sure, there may have been some, but you're not really making any point that I can see.

[OzMick]

A PM that refuses to leave the position he no longer legally holds is a coup, Removing a PM that refuses to leave the position he no longer legally holds is not a coup,

what do you call a coup that occurs in between elections?

How many coups occur during elections? Is there a 3rd alternative?

I'm not sure, there may have been some, but you're not really making any point that I can see.

I have never heard of a coup during an election - AFAIK that would mean that ALL coups occur "in between elections", and they are called coups. Blind Freddy could see that.

Logic 101 - Fail ?

[phiphidon]

Oh dear, I didn't realise you supported the coup. Wouldn't you rather have had the Democrat Party do the democratic thing and vote Thaksin and his party out at the Polls in the October Election? They would only have had to wait about a month before they had their chance. They obviously took it seriously as they were campaigning this time as opposed to boycotting.

D'oh! The coup was conducted by the RTA, not the Democrat Party. The fact that the Democrats were seriously campaigning suggests that they had no idea it was about to happen.

How do you produce such twisted logic?

I was upbraiding rubl for choosing a coup as a democratic alternative to removing an elected PM and government rather than relying on a good old fashioned election that had been announced. I'm sure the democrat party had nothing to do with carrying out the coup, that's why I pointed out they were campaigning for the October election.

[phiphidon]

I have never heard of a coup during an election - AFAIK that would mean that ALL coups occur "in between elections", and they are called coups. Blind Freddy could see that.

Logic 101 - Fail ?

See Post #72

Edited May 30, 2012 by phiphidon

[OzMick]

Oh dear, I didn't realise you supported the coup. Wouldn't you rather have had the Democrat Party do the democratic thing and vote Thaksin and his party out at the Polls in the October Election? They would only have had to wait about a month before they had their chance. They obviously took it seriously as they were campaigning this time as opposed to boycotting.

D'oh! The coup was conducted by the RTA, not the Democrat Party. The fact that the Democrats were seriously campaigning suggests that they had no idea it was about to happen.

How do you produce such twisted logic?

I was upbraiding rubl for choosing a coup as a democratic alternative to removing an elected PM and government rather than relying on a good old fashioned election that had been announced. I'm sure the democrat party had nothing to do with carrying out the coup, that's why I pointed out they were campaigning for the October election.

The only group mentioned in your post is the Democrat Party, followed by a series of "they"s - a pronoun that normally links to the last person or group mentioned.

English Composition and Expression 101 - Fail ?

Same applies to post #73. I accept stupidity rather than ignorance.

[animatic]

the guy cant even string a sentence together in English. Doubtful if he even did the work for this degree.

check this out, [media=]

[/media] the thaksin rap.

And how is your fluency in Thai?

Apparently, his language skills were sufficient to build a company. What did your language skills achieve?

Fair to poor... but then again I don't pretend to have a degree from a Thai university.

This is not the language skills of someone who actual got a legitimate degree

in a USA Uni of any quality. Doesn't mean he didn't 'submit work that passed'.

[Nickymaster]

A PM that refuses to leave the position he no longer legally holds is a coup, Removing a PM that refuses to leave the position he no longer legally holds is not a coup,

what do you call a coup that occurs in between elections?

How many coups occur during elections? Is there a 3rd alternative?

I'm not sure, there may have been some, but you're not really making any point that I can see.

How many valid points have you made besides being a smart-ass and criticizing everybody? I can't see any.

[rubl]

Oh dear, I didn't realise you supported the coup. Wouldn't you rather have had the Democrat Party do the democratic thing and vote Thaksin and his party out at the Polls in the October Election? They would only have had to wait about a month before they had their chance. They obviously took it seriously as they were campaigning this time as opposed to boycotting.

D'oh! The coup was conducted by the RTA, not the Democrat Party. The fact that the Democrats were seriously campaigning suggests that they had no idea it was about to happen.

How do you produce such twisted logic?

I was upbraiding rubl for choosing a coup as a democratic alternative to removing an elected PM and government rather than relying on a good old fashioned election that had been announced. I'm sure the democrat party had nothing to do with carrying out the coup, that's why I pointed out they were campaigning for the October election.

Oh chide me not and certainly not for something I didn't even say.

With a condescending person like young Panthongtae saying "after he realised that the coup was not the right solution, he was man enough to lead the efforts to solve this situation" I just mentioned "Gen. Sonthi should be praised for the non-violent coup". Should I have highlighted non-violent for better understanding ?

[Nickymaster]

Oh dear, I didn't realise you supported the coup. Wouldn't you rather have had the Democrat Party do the democratic thing and vote Thaksin and his party out at the Polls in the October Election? They would only have had to wait about a month before they had their chance. They obviously took it seriously as they were campaigning this time as opposed to boycotting.

D'oh! The coup was conducted by the RTA, not the Democrat Party. The fact that the Democrats were seriously campaigning suggests that they had no idea it was about to happen.

How do you produce such twisted logic?

I was upbraiding rubl for choosing a coup as a democratic alternative to removing an elected PM and government rather than relying on a good old fashioned election that had been announced. I'm sure the democrat party had nothing to do with carrying out the coup, that's why I pointed out they were campaigning for the October election.

Sometimes elections do not work.

Sometimes countries are not ready for elections. Look at China and India. India has a democracy and the country is extremely corrupt and the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. China is doing much better without a democracy. People must be ready for a democracy to work. Some countries are just not ready. And this has mainly to do with education.

Are you saying that when you are elected you can do whatever you want? What if an elected leader is corrupt as hell? What if he buys his way around any legal system? Who should stop these kind of elected leaders? Or should we just watch and see and accept what he is doing because he is elected?

[Skywalker69]

the guy cant even string a sentence together in English. Doubtful if he even did the work for this degree.

check this out, [media=]

[/media] the thaksin rap.

And how is your fluency in Thai?

Apparently, his language skills were sufficient to build a company. What did your language skills achieve?

Fair to poor... but then again I don't pretend to have a degree from a Thai university.

This is not the language skills of someone who actual got a legitimate degree

in a USA Uni of any quality. Doesn't mean he didn't 'submit work that passed'.

The same goes for "little sister"

[phiphidon]

How many valid points have you made besides being a smart-ass and criticizing everybody? I can't see any.

Perhaps you could look through my posts. Having a different viewpoint and backing it up is not normally regarded as "being a smart-ass and criticizing everybody". If you disagree with what I say you can 1. offer an alternative position, 2. Don't read my post, 3. Use the ignore button. Seems fair to me.

[phiphidon]

Oh dear, I didn't realise you supported the coup. Wouldn't you rather have had the Democrat Party do the democratic thing and vote Thaksin and his party out at the Polls in the October Election? They would only have had to wait about a month before they had their chance. They obviously took it seriously as they were campaigning this time as opposed to boycotting.

D'oh! The coup was conducted by the RTA, not the Democrat Party. The fact that the Democrats were seriously campaigning suggests that they had no idea it was about to happen.

How do you produce such twisted logic?

I was upbraiding rubl for choosing a coup as a democratic alternative to removing an elected PM and government rather than relying on a good old fashioned election that had been announced. I'm sure the democrat party had nothing to do with carrying out the coup, that's why I pointed out they were campaigning for the October election.

Oh chide me not and certainly not for something I didn't even say.

With a condescending person like young Panthongtae saying "after he realised that the coup was not the right solution, he was man enough to lead the efforts to solve this situation" I just mentioned "Gen. Sonthi should be praised for the non-violent coup". Should I have highlighted non-violent for better understanding ?

Well sorry if I offended you but praising someone for a coup is praising them for a coup whether it's non violent or not. However, if you had highlighted the sentence as you suggested I would have immediately got your meaning.

My apologies.

[h90]

Oh dear, I didn't realise you supported the coup. Wouldn't you rather have had the Democrat Party do the democratic thing and vote Thaksin and his party out at the Polls in the October Election? They would only have had to wait about a month before they had their chance. They obviously took it seriously as they were campaigning this time as opposed to boycotting.

D'oh! The coup was conducted by the RTA, not the Democrat Party. The fact that the Democrats were seriously campaigning suggests that they had no idea it was about to happen.

How do you produce such twisted logic?

I was upbraiding rubl for choosing a coup as a democratic alternative to removing an elected PM and government rather than relying on a good old fashioned election that had been announced. I'm sure the democrat party had nothing to do with carrying out the coup, that's why I pointed out they were campaigning for the October election.

Sometimes elections do not work.

Sometimes countries are not ready for elections. Look at China and India. India has a democracy and the country is extremely corrupt and the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. China is doing much better without a democracy. People must be ready for a democracy to work. Some countries are just not ready. And this has mainly to do with education.

Are you saying that when you are elected you can do whatever you want? What if an elected leader is corrupt as hell? What if he buys his way around any legal system? Who should stop these kind of elected leaders? Or should we just watch and see and accept what he is doing because he is elected?

I would say the same thing in a different way: Not the people aren't ready. Instead some rich people abuse and bribe their way into power by fake democracy.

When there is a large scale vote buying than you can't call it democracy. I think in Thailand if you make a real democracy it would work.

That includes ZERO vote buying (and hard punishment for both people who pay and receive money).

Fair coverage on TV.

Maybe just 30 % would go for the election, but that isn't so bad. If not interested in politic than better don't vote instead of selling your vote.

[h90]

Well sorry if I offended you but praising someone for a coup is praising them for a coup whether it's non violent or not. However, if you had highlighted the sentence as you suggested I would have immediately got your meaning.

My apologies.

But Thaksin was in power by illegal means that violated the constitution and Thailand was on the way to a 1 party system like the Soviets and East Germany.

That justifies just anything including a coup.

[gand]

“My children made the decision. They want their father to focus on politics and to avoid public criticism about conflicts of interest.” - Thaksin Shinawatra

[thequietman]

the guy cant even string a sentence together in English. Doubtful if he even did the work for this degree.

check this out, [media=]

[/media] the thaksin rap.

And how is your fluency in Thai?

Apparently, his language skills were sufficient to build a company. What did your language skills achieve?

my thai is fine.

very doubtful his English language skills were used in forming his companies. I think he may have used other skills learnt in the academy. however, so sorry for offending your hero.

[tlansford]

Thaksin's son says nice things about Sonthi as well as about reconciliation and the bill going before parliament.

Sonthi appears to be playing a key role in the process - as he did in 2006. It makes sense, in that regard, for Thaksin's son to make this kind of a gesture & statements.

Does anyone criticizing him here really expect him to do otherwise? I don't.

And does anyone here not think that their own son should be supportive of them - their father or mother? I think nearly 100% would.

[tlansford]

Well sorry if I offended you but praising someone for a coup is praising them for a coup whether it's non violent or not. However, if you had highlighted the sentence as you suggested I would have immediately got your meaning.

My apologies.

But Thaksin was in power by illegal means that violated the constitution and Thailand was on the way to a 1 party system like the Soviets and East Germany.

That justifies just anything including a coup.

"and Thailand was on the way to a 1 party system like the Soviets and East Germany."

hmmm, just as an aside,

That not only seems like a stretch to me given the political structure in Thailand (constitutional monarchy), but it seems very unlikely that the democratic party at the time would have agreed with your assessment, either...

As for the reality of the time, and becoming a 1 party system, there was that scheduled election, ...

[gand]

“Where in the world is a single-party government called a dictatorship? What's wrong with it when people have faith in me?” - Thaksin Shinawatra

[OzMick]

Thaksin's son says nice things about Sonthi as well as about reconciliation and the bill going before parliament.

Sonthi appears to be playing a key role in the process - as he did in 2006. It makes sense, in that regard, for Thaksin's son to make this kind of a gesture & statements.

Does anyone criticizing him here really expect him to do otherwise? I don't.

And does anyone here not think that their own son should be supportive of them - their father or mother? I think nearly 100% would.

So you agree that it was a filial obligation statement made by a young man of no notable achievement, and a few serious misdemeanors, who has lived an insulated pampered life far removed from that of 99.99% of the people of Thailand, and who lives in luxury thanks to his father's ill-gotten gains?

[tlansford]

Oh dear, I didn't realise you supported the coup. Wouldn't you rather have had the Democrat Party do the democratic thing and vote Thaksin and his party out at the Polls in the October Election? They would only have had to wait about a month before they had their chance. They obviously took it seriously as they were campaigning this time as opposed to boycotting.

D'oh! The coup was conducted by the RTA, not the Democrat Party. The fact that the Democrats were seriously campaigning suggests that they had no idea it was about to happen.

How do you produce such twisted logic?

I was upbraiding rubl for choosing a coup as a democratic alternative to removing an elected PM and government rather than relying on a good old fashioned election that had been announced. I'm sure the democrat party had nothing to do with carrying out the coup, that's why I pointed out they were campaigning for the October election.

Sometimes elections do not work.

Sometimes countries are not ready for elections. Look at China and India. India has a democracy and the country is extremely corrupt and the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. China is doing much better without a democracy. People must be ready for a democracy to work. Some countries are just not ready. And this has mainly to do with education.

Are you saying that when you are elected you can do whatever you want? What if an elected leader is corrupt as hell? What if he buys his way around any legal system? Who should stop these kind of elected leaders? Or should we just watch and see and accept what he is doing because he is elected?

democracies have systems for transfer of power as well as systems to handle abuse. In democracies, military coups are not one of those systems, but if the military is a political player, as in Thailand, then the military can play their wild card and toss out the existing government. This kind of activity, IMO, stifles democracy.

It is interesting that you say some countries are not ready for democracy. I would disagree with that. While it is true that the population must understand what they are doing, I don't feel that there are some countries which are ready for it, and others which are not. Additionally, this being dependent on education and then citing China as an example is a bit amusing as one can easily compare the levels of education in China with countries like the USA and see that this would not be a basis for ruling out democratic "readiness". ;-)

[tlansford]

Thaksin's son says nice things about Sonthi as well as about reconciliation and the bill going before parliament.

Sonthi appears to be playing a key role in the process - as he did in 2006. It makes sense, in that regard, for Thaksin's son to make this kind of a gesture & statements.

Does anyone criticizing him here really expect him to do otherwise? I don't.

And does anyone here not think that their own son should be supportive of them - their father or mother? I think nearly 100% would.

So you agree that it was a filial obligation statement made by a young man of no notable achievement, and a few serious misdemeanors, who has lived an insulated pampered life far removed from that of 99.99% of the people of Thailand, and who lives in luxury thanks to his father's ill-gotten gains?

Thaksin's son says nice things about Sonthi as well as about reconciliation and the bill going before parliament.

Sonthi appears to be playing a key role in the process - as he did in 2006. It makes sense, in that regard, for Thaksin's son to make this kind of a gesture & statements.

Does anyone criticizing him here really expect him to do otherwise? I don't.

And does anyone here not think that their own son should be supportive of them - their father or mother? I think nearly 100% would.

So you agree that it was a filial obligation statement made by a young man of no notable achievement, and a few serious misdemeanors, who has lived an insulated pampered life far removed from that of 99.99% of the people of Thailand, and who lives in luxury thanks to his father's ill-gotten gains?

I've never met this person and am in no position to make such a statement, so the answer is "no, I do not agree with that".

[mca]

Thaksin's son says nice things about Sonthi as well as about reconciliation and the bill going before parliament.

Sonthi appears to be playing a key role in the process - as he did in 2006. It makes sense, in that regard, for Thaksin's son to make this kind of a gesture & statements.

Does anyone criticizing him here really expect him to do otherwise? I don't.

And does anyone here not think that their own son should be supportive of them - their father or mother? I think nearly 100% would.

So you agree that it was a filial obligation statement made by a young man of no notable achievement, and a few serious misdemeanors, who has lived an insulated pampered life far removed from that of 99.99% of the people of Thailand, and who lives in luxury thanks to his father's ill-gotten gains?

But enough about Abhisit.