george Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Furore in the House (video) The atmosphere at the parliament on Wednesday evening was more than lively as angry government and opposition MPs rushed to surround the seat of House Speaker Somsak Kiatsuranont after he asked lawmakers to vote on moving discussion of the four proposed reconciliation bills up the agenda list for urgent deliberation. Many Democrat MPs encircled Mr Somsak, loudly expressing their dissatisfaction and demanding that he leave the seat. The Democrats demanded the House speaker to stop the vote and carry on with the debate. A number of Pheu Thai MPs rushed to intervene. Police officers at the meeting moved to protect Mr Somsak, who later called for a temporary adjournment of the meeting. A video clip, uploaded to YouTube by tpdnet, shows lawmakers surrounding House Speaker Somsak Kiatsuranont on May 30, 2012. [media=] [/media]-- Bkk Post 2012-05-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buchholz Posted May 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2012 Are they sure that's a clip from Parliament? Similar footage was on Wrestlemania's Battle Royal. . 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payboy Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Did any of those dems give that Hitler salute again? Just asking. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mca Posted May 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2012 That poor woman doing the sign language must have been thinking "Shit what do I do now" 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) If there's any brawling to do, Pheu Thai Party MP Karun is the one to call. I half-expected to see the Kung <deleted> Master coming off a top rope somewhere with a roundhouse kick at some point in the video. The Nation - April 3, 2008 A government coalition MP decided to take things to a physical level yesterday by kicking an opposition member. People Power Party member Karun Hosakul kung-<deleted> kicked Democrat Somkiart Pongpaiboon Witnesses say Somkiart was eating with colleagues at the Parliament cafeteria when Karun entered and launched his ineffective attack. Karun then lashed out with a fist, but missed again. Then the pair got into a shouting match, with Somkiart on the end of heated abuse. In fact, Karun got so worked up that he had to be restrained by police officers and other PPP members. -------------------------------------------- and then later, a follow-up: The Nation - May 10, 2008 People Power Party MP Karun Hosakul was yesterday asked to honour his promise to resign after he was found guilty of physical and verbal attacks against Democrat MP Somkiart Pongpaiboon inside Parliament on April 2. A fact-finding report reached a unanimous decision concluding that Karun had assaulted Somkiart and used rude language, MP Vichet Panvichartkul said yesterday. -------------------------------------------- He didn't resign as promised, in fact... five months later, he had another victim The Nation - October 29, 2008 Gothom Araya, Chief Advisor of the National Economic and Social Development Board, Wednesday urged leading members of the People Power Party to reprimand PPP MP Karun Hosakul for having allegedly threatened to kick Senator Rosan Tositrakul. Karun allegedly made the threat during a joint sitting of the House and Senate on Tuesday. --------------------------------------------- Still no resignation after the 2nd incident, and now as Pheu Thai Party MP... he's out on bail for Red Shirt terrorism The Nation - June 8, 2010 Court grants bail to Jatuporn, Karun BANGKOK: -- The Criminal Court Tuesday granted bail to Pheu Thai MPs Jatuporn Promphan and Karun Hosakul after the two posted Bt1 million in cash as guarantee each. The Department of Special Investigations asked the court to detain the two without bail but the court disagreed. The two were charged with instigating people to commit act of terrorism. epilogue: He's still a Pheu Thai Party MP. . Edited May 30, 2012 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volk666 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 In what language this whole process is called "reconciliation"? And who actually believes this is what reconciliation looks like? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buchholz Posted May 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) That poor woman doing the sign language must have been thinking "Shit what do I do now" five seconds of this and then walk off camera . Edited May 30, 2012 by Buchholz 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiphidon Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 If there's any brawling to do, Pheu Thai Party MP Karun is the one to call. I half-expected to see the Kung <deleted> Master coming off a top rope somewhere with a roundhouse kick at some point in the video. Text removed (too many quotes problem) epilogue: He's still a Pheu Thai Party MP. . And if it gets really nasty, Democrat MP Khanchit Thabsuwan is pretty handy with a gun In addition to being indicted for the premeditated murder of local politician Udorn Kraiwatnusorn in Samut Sakhon last month Khanchit might face additional charges after he undergoes examination in relation to new DNA-related evidence that has been found Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit said an open letter would be sent to Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva asking him to order Khanchit to cooperate with police and the Parliament s directive telling him to surrender. He said police would still want to examine a handgun owned by Khanchit and his vehicle both of which he has not handed over to police. http://www.nationmul...s-30173588.html epilogue: He's still a Democrat MP...................... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lite Beer Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Parliament descends into disorder; PAD petitions for withdrawal of reconciliation bills BANGKOK, May 30 -- Tempers flared in Thailand’s already tense House of Representatives late today, as the lower house of Parliament in a rare display of disorder and extreme disrespect upstaged street demonstrators who exhibited good behavior in comparison to the nation’s elected representatives. Hundreds of police were strategically positioned outside, to prevent an occupation of the chamber as happened, rarely, in the past. But the police were required to disengage heated legislators of both major parties. The chamber atmosphere had been growing in intensity with heated debate as ruling Pheu Thai Party MPs attempted to speed acceptance of the controversial reconciliation bills on today's agenda amid an outcry among opposition Democrat MPs. The House was then turned from seated disagreement to flowing streams of MPs pushing toward to podium, in disarray, when Apichart Supaphang, Democrat MP for Phetchburi rushed from the floor to the podium. Shouting abusively at House Speaker Somsak Kiatsuranont, the Phetchburi Democrat attempted to drag the Speaker from his seat, accusing him of 'inappropriate acts'. Moments later, a disorderly press of both ruling party and opposition MPs mobbed Mr Somsak, forcing the House police security detail intervention to separate the scuffling MPs. The disruption forced a House suspension for 15 minutes. As if what had happened was not enough, in an attempt to ‘unseat’ the House Speaker by default, a woman Democrat MP dragged his empty chair outside the chamber, taking the symbolic seat of office out the door, nearly succeeding in preventing his returning to his chair to chair the meeting, but women Pheu Thai Party MPs latched onto the departing chair, seizing control and returning it to the chamber. Male MPs from both camps separated the women, and Parliament went into recess. Earlier in the day the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), Thailand’s Yellow Shirt movement submitted a petition to Deputy House Speaker Charoen Jankomol, calling on Parliament to withdraw the reconciliation bills saying they may cause more division in the nation. The PAD began its mass gathering at the Royal Plaza at 1pm before moving their protest to Parliament Wednesday afternoon. Key PAD leaders including Sondhi Limthongkul, retired Maj-Gen Chamlong Srimuang, Pipob Thongchai, Somkiat Pongpaiboon and PAD spokesman Panthep Puapongpan represented the movement in submitting the letter at 4pm, opposing the proposed reconciliation bills which the House is expected to begin deliberating on Thursday. All four drafts with little difference in their contents were submitted to the Parliament for deliberation. The PAD's petition said the reconciliation bills claimed to create unity, reconciliation and peace in society but in fact the bills were actually aimed at annulling court verdicts in political cases delivered after the 2006 coup, actions contradict the rule of law and the country's constitution. Mr Sondhi, Gen Chamlong, Mr Somkiat, and Mr Panthep were among the PAD leaders who now occupy U-thong Nai Road, near Parliament, and are taking turns to speak on the stage. Mr Sondhi earlier announced from the rally stage that the PAD will continue to fight against the reconciliation bill until they win. Gen Chamlong said the demonstration today complies with the constitution and urged the protesters to adhere strictly with the rights to rally. The gathering would carry on peacefully without any weapons. He said the demonstration would continue Thursday as the House is still set to consider the reconciliation bills tomorrow. Whether or not the protesters stay overnight or otherwise prolong their rally depends on further discussions by the PAD core leaders and the mood of their supporters, but the impact of the disorder in Parliament itself is yet to be measured. (MCOT online news) -- TNA 2012-05-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bigbamboo Posted May 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2012 I suppose we should be grateful there were enough MPs in the house for once to actually start a fight. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Looks like the march of the penguins. I wonder when they'll take the clue from Ukraine and take the gloves off. Very reconciliating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilDrSomkid Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) One should keep in mind that 'reconciliation', transparency' and 'democracy' are foreign concepts. Not to mention freedom of speech. They have no place here. As for the proceedings in the video: Nothing to see here. Just children fighting in the sandbox. You should check out some older vdeos of the Taiwanese or South Korean parliaments. Full on fist fights. Edited May 30, 2012 by EvilDrSomkid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymboy33 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 those abhisit dem mps are really showing themselves as a bad and desperate bunch. Worse then their yellow shirt street mob. storming the speaker like a wild bunch of animals, what ever next? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Huayrat Posted May 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2012 those abhisit dem mps are really showing themselves as a bad and desperate bunch. Worse then their yellow shirt street mob. storming the speaker like a wild bunch of animals, what ever next? Maybe the speaker should take off his red shirt before he enters government house 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post animatic Posted May 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) Are they sure that's a clip from Parliament? Similar footage was on Wrestlemania's Battle Royal. Except Wrestlemania is better scripted and less confusing. One thing is clear. We are back to 2008 as if nothing has been learned from last time. And more of the same act as the Samak-Somchai Thaksin-Puppet governments. So logically the other side will make similar moves, until violence breaks out. The only questions remain: 1 ) What has Thaksin learned from last time, about how to deal with in your face opposition that, yet again, will not tolerate his maneuvers? 2 ) How far can the army be pushed this time, and why, if it is farther this time? 3 ) Will the police try to control PAD as they did last time, minus a wild card SaeDang to act behind the scenes? 4 ) how far and how fast will this escalate? It's all so sad. Edited May 30, 2012 by animatic 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 If there's any brawling to do, Pheu Thai Party MP Karun is the one to call. I half-expected to see the Kung <deleted> Master coming off a top rope somewhere with a roundhouse kick at some point in the video. Text removed (too many quotes problem) epilogue: He's still a Pheu Thai Party MP. And if it gets really nasty, Democrat MP Khanchit Thabsuwan is pretty handy with a gun In addition to being indicted for the premeditated murder of local politician Udorn Kraiwatnusorn in Samut Sakhon last month Khanchit might face additional charges after he undergoes examination in relation to new DNA-related evidence that has been found Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit said an open letter would be sent to Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva asking him to order Khanchit to cooperate with police and the Parliament s directive telling him to surrender. He said police would still want to examine a handgun owned by Khanchit and his vehicle both of which he has not handed over to police. http://www.nationmul...s-30173588.html epilogue: He's still a Democrat MP...................... With a topic on "furore in parliament" the reference to Pheu Thai Party MP Karun seems much more in line than your 'yes, what what about this Dem's MP charged for murder". Both still being MP doesn't really justify mentioning the last. So, back on topic, reconciliation, whether you like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) those abhisit dem mps are really showing themselves as a bad and desperate bunch. Worse then their yellow shirt street mob. storming the speaker like a wild bunch of animals, what ever next? What's next? Before opening a parliament session the speaker will announce that for good reasons the Opposition MP's have one minute each to say something, but what they say must not contain 'undemocratic', 'thaksin', 'whitewash' and furthermore should have been submitted in four-fold at least a week ago for scrutiny and to avoid embarrasment to either the PM or other members of the cabinet.. Edited May 30, 2012 by rubl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Misterwhisper Posted May 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2012 From what I gather so far, all those proposed so-called "reconciliation" bills will accomplish anything BUT reconciliation. I have never grasped how letting everyone off the hook can possibly promote reconciliation. Reconciliation in my understanding means that all parties involved put aside their differences, concede some compromises and try to find common ground. Blanket amnesties for politicians and their cronies do not achieve that. If they keep pushing those ludicrous "reconciliation" bills, this will just the beginning of another round of political mayhem, chaos and street protests. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Chaos reigns? Yingluck will sort out if her driver can remember where to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unkomoncents Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Watching Thai government officials is much like watching a pre-school classroom: there is no concept of harmony (though they have a very superficial version whereby anyone of lower "rank" submits), respect, honesty, decency...They just haven't learned how a human being behaves in a progressive environment. It's hard to respect people that accept, on a daily basis, a prehistoric sense of human value. I suppose India is worse though...(thus begins the inevitable comparison of Thailand to other countries which enables the complacence and self-satisfaction of Thais and many of those living here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Furore in the House (video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8kFnQ9uvsw4#t=0s Oops, sorry wrong Fuhrer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKvampire Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 The house speaker is at Poo thai stooge.he does what hes told by chalerm et al Sent from my LG-P350 using Thaivisa Connect App Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ratcatcher Posted May 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2012 (edited) This speech was made nearly 360 years ago in the English Parliament by Oliver Cromwell. Aside from references to God & Commonwealth etc, it is remarkably relevant to apply to the Thai Parliament of today. Dissolution of the Long Parliament by Oliver Cromwell given to the House of Commons, 20 April 1653 It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money. Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth? Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go! Edited May 30, 2012 by ratcatcher 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volk666 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Early in the video someone called the Speaker "Gavel from Dubai". those abhisit dem mps are really showing themselves as a bad and desperate bunch.Worse then their yellow shirt street mob. storming the speaker like a wild bunch of animals, what ever next? They all should be put in gas chambers so that the nation can "unlock" itself and march into the glorious future. They have no place in "reconciled" Thailand anyway. That's what's next, sans the actual gas chambers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Please remember Thailand is a very young democracy only since around 1939, there is a lot to learn yet and a lot of old habits to get rid of. Countries take a bit of time to become mature. The european countries England and France have been at this a bit longer than thailand and along with the US they still donot always get it right on ocassion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 What are the real odds / chance of this passing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OzMick Posted May 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2012 It took 10 months, but finally the main objective of this government comes to the limelight. Let's call it reconciliation, even though nobody seems to want it, outside of the 2010 conspirators. Let's call it democracy because we have a mandate, bought on largely unfulfilled, and largely unfulfillable, promises. It has to happen soon, because this criminal conspiracy of terrorists, corrupt cronies and bought politicians are proving themselves incapable of running a 2-hole outhouse, let alone a country. As they become increasingly less popular as this realisation sinks home to the populace, as Thaksin delivers his message that his ambitions have far more value than those of the people who died for him, we will see peace and prosperity sacrificed on the altar of a little tin god. Hang on to your hats farangs, this could be one hell of a rough ride. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 What are the real odds / chance of this passing? Are you joking? With Thaksin reportedly holding resignation letters from every PTP member? Even if that is untrue, which PTP members (who hold a majority without coalition) are going to vote against a bill designed to whitewash the man who decides whether they get a party list or PTP endorsement? Perhaps the red MPs will vote against a bill that might save them from a death sentence. Not bloody likely though, is it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post waza Posted May 30, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2012 I see more social unrest, protests and even deaths because Thaksin wants his way. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 What more havoc can this band of vermilion harlots and charlatans bring to "democracy"? Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Thaivisa Connect App Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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