Lite Beer Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Red shirts told to fight 'attempts to unseat govt' Pravit Rojanaphruk The Nation on Sunday BANGKOK: -- Thousands of red-shirt supporters, who helped install Yingluck Shinwatra as prime minister in the July 2011 election, were told during yesterday's gathering at Muang Thong Thani to oppose attempts to unseat the government. Ousted and convicted former premier Thaksin Shinawatra also addressed the red shirts through video link alleging that the process to undemocratically oust the Yingluck administration has begun. "Today, people know what is what. The process of robbing people has begun again," said Thaksin, wearing a red shirt. Thaksin stressed that power must belong to the people. He apologised to those red shirts who were upset with his previous speech, viewed as self-obsessed by some, and vowed to work for the benefit of all red shirts, including those still in jail. "I must apologise. I had no intention to trample on the hearts of red shirts," he said. "We must not be disunited [amongst] ourselves." Thaksin also attacked the Democrat Party by saying: "In Parliament, there is no uglier party [than the Democrat]," he said, referring to the two days of disturbances in the House earlier this week. Thaksin again denied he was corrupt while in power. The red-shirt leadership urged supporters to fight what they claimed is the attempt to unseat the Yingluck administration through a coup d'etat or a Constitution Court ruling. "All of you, come to Bangkok. Fight the decisive battle," said red-shirt co-leader Jatuporn Promphan, who was recently disqualified as a Pheu Thai MP. "We don't need reconciliation with bad people. If we don't fight, PM Yingluck will face the same fate as Thaksin." The special jam-packed "Truth Today" talk, at Muang Thong Thani's Thunder Dome, to celebrate its fifth anniversary saw some 5,000 red shirts in attendance. Red-shirt co-leader and Deputy Agriculture Minister Natthawut Saikua warned that there are signs that the "power outside [democratic] system" may soon act. Veerakarn Musigapong, former chairman of the red-shirt Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship (DAAD), said the Democrat Party has "completely revealed itself" over the past few days through the actions against the House Speaker inside Parliament and support for street protests outside Parliament. He recalled that the red shirts had fought for liberty in the past. He urged the red shirts not to divide Thailand into regions and work towards the unity of the country. One red shirt, who participated in the event, said he believes there exists an attempt to unseat the government through public disturbances by the yellow-shirt People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) and an eventual coup d'etat. Next to the venue, a makeshift stand was set up by the Bang-Na red-shirt group where people could throw used shoes at the painting of opposition leader Abhisit Vejjajiva and his deputy Suthep Thaugsuban. -- The Nation 2012-06-03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottocus Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) And the path to civil war continues. Hope you got your affairs in order people because it ain't gonna be pretty. Edited June 2, 2012 by nottocus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 And the path to civil war continues. Hope you got your affairs in order people because it ain't gonna be pretty. I don't think there's going to be a civil war. I think the path is for those who identify as Red Shirts to come up with a viable party and platform absent of Thaksins agenda and influence. I wish them luck. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 "The process of robbing people has begun again," said Thaksin, wearing a red shirt. THAT is hard to argue against. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Thaksin really is a nasty piece of work isn't he Sent from my dog. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Even wife was surprised by Thai tv mentioning the "c" word again. You can smell it in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLew Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 And the path to civil war continues. Hope you got your affairs in order people because it ain't gonna be pretty. I don't think there's going to be a civil war. I think the path is for those who identify as Red Shirts to come up with a viable party and platform absent of Thaksins agenda and influence. I wish them luck. Why would the red shirts go for a new party ... as long as the get their envelops they will not change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurofiend Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 And the path to civil war continues. Hope you got your affairs in order people because it ain't gonna be pretty. I don't think there's going to be a civil war. I think the path is for those who identify as Red Shirts to come up with a viable party and platform absent of Thaksins agenda and influence. I wish them luck. Why would the red shirts go for a new party ... as long as the get their envelops they will not change yeah...cos that's all they're about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Notstupid30 Posted June 3, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2012 Should arrest the bloody lot of them and put them on an empty island problem solved .. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaiChai Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 The other paper reported that Taksin mentioned in the same phone in that he had been robbed of his 46 billion baht which had been acquired without corruption. He seemed pretty angry and full of revenge. He appears to be showing his true self. Seems pretty clear that these reconcilliation bills are only about Taksin. Also mentioned was the police in charge and his deputy have been moved from duty because they were too lenient with the PAD. Someone more aggressive has been put in charge. Looks like someone who is used to getting his own way isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somtumlion Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 If the stupid PTP politicians would focus on managing the country, rather than whitewashing Thaksin - they could serve in office for a long long time to come. But then, of course, that doesn't help Thaksin, so business as usual. Murder, Mayhem, and Mystery, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notstupid30 Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 If the stupid PTP politicians would focus on managing the country, rather than whitewashing Thaksin - they could serve in office for a long long time to come. But then, of course, that doesn't help Thaksin, so business as usual. Murder, Mayhem, and Mystery, Would be nice if this pm did some work rather then traveling every bloodily where around Asia and the Middle East anyway I better shut the hell up before I get started it's a Sunday it's a relaxing day for me .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 " An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination." Voltaire Sent via my Dick Tracy 2-way Wrist Radio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Notstupid30 Posted June 3, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2012 OMG hahaha [media=] [/media] 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 WARNING - CONSPIRACY THEORY When I read this "The red-shirt leadership urged supporters to fight what they claimed is the attempt to unseat the Yingluck administration through a coup d'etat or a Constitution Court ruling" I begin to wonder if it didn't suddenly become time for "reconciliation" because the red troops needed a good stirring before the EC passes its recommendation to the Constitution Court that PTP be disbanded for use of banned politicians in its election campaign and including unsuitable candidates on its party list. The decision is due shortly according to a thread last week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Even wife was surprised by Thai tv mentioning the "c" word again. You can smell it in the air. I thought Jatuporn mentioned it every 30 minutes or so. Unless its that 'other' c-word? I can see why they would want to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smutcakes Posted June 3, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2012 And the path to civil war continues. Hope you got your affairs in order people because it ain't gonna be pretty. Fortunently I don't think it will get that far, as the majority of Thais are fairly apathetic to the hold political issue and have far more important day to day family and work issues to deal with. For the majority it does not make a blind bit of difference who is in Power, the PTP or the Democrats. As someone esle mentions below, what Thailand really needs is someone with some base line ideas on more equality, transapency coupled with a logical, corruption free, young leader. However any young corruption free leader like this would never get far as they would be cast aside by the current political parties due to the risk of their heads being forced away from the trough. It is extremely difficult to see a way out of this depressing cycle. It would be nice to think that some of the young Thais who have been educated abroad would come back and try and make a difference, but for the most part the only reason they have had the opportunitu to study abroad is due to the fact they are from wealthy families, and despite how much personally they may want to change a system, they are not going to rock the apple cart so to speak for the entire family. I am waffling now........... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Soutpeel Posted June 3, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2012 "Thaksin stressed that power must belong to the people" and of course we know which "people" he has in mind... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 WARNING - CONSPIRACY THEORY When I read this "The red-shirt leadership urged supporters to fight what they claimed is the attempt to unseat the Yingluck administration through a coup d'etat or a Constitution Court ruling" I begin to wonder if it didn't suddenly become time for "reconciliation" because the red troops needed a good stirring before the EC passes its recommendation to the Constitution Court that PTP be disbanded for use of banned politicians in its election campaign and including unsuitable candidates on its party list. The decision is due shortly according to a thread last week. Well we can stop worrying about it now, because according to Thaksin's latest phone in "I had earlier thought reconciliation would happen soon, but it won't." And Jatuporn wants everyone to come to Bangkok and "fight the decisive battle". Time I got me a shotgurn....erm..."Zombie Apocalypse Survival Kit". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunla Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 The Hub of Hubris. Redmob leaders got to join the celebs at the golden trough, but the normal redmob didn't get anything. I wonder what share of the plundered loot has been promised them this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomross46 Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 In George Orwells book 1984, Big Brother spoke to the people via vidio link. He controled the people's hearts and minds that way. Now the book is being used to control the Red Shirt people and we know who BIG BROTHER is. He has told his supporters, that if people do not support us thay are against us they must be put down. 1984, is now 2012. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkokrick Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Red Shirts Told To Fight 'Attempts To Unseat Govt' The operative word being 'told'. Hardly a request is it. We pay you the money so do as you are told, more like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Cannon Fodder, it's time to report for duty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkokrick Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Cannon Fodder, it's time to report for duty. Exactly Crush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post smedly Posted June 3, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2012 what an evil man - all I see here is stiring hate These are sad and bad times for Thailand, I just hope that my speculation is wrong and for those that think there is a democracy here - well that is simply not the case, the infratructure is not there to support it and is open to abuse which is exactly what is taking place right now, I don't agree with military intervention but I am glad they are there when it all goes wrong - seems pretty obvious that is what is happening right now - it's all going wrong so how do you fix it - well you install and interim government and let them place rigid structures to support democracy like a constitution and indipendant judicial system then at some point when it's all in place and provides a good solid base you proceed to the polls - oh wait hasn't that already happened and the new government is trying to dismantle it all - it seems the Thais just don't get it and quite a few on here don't get it either Do you think Obama should be able to rewrite the Amercan constitution because he doesn't like some of it or it's incriminating his brother....ahem Thais just haven't grasped the concept of democracy and that is the problem - they think if elected they can do whatever they want and that is dangerous and wrong - they must work within a set of rules and this government is trying to rewrite them to suit their own ends and that is just wrong 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidu Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 I don't think it will be a civil war. However, Thaksin loves the game of manipulating crowds of people via money and rhetoric, so expect upheavals. The more unrest, the better for Thaksin and PT party. If an enemy doesn't exist, then he benefits from creating one, and stirring up a violent mob of people to counter it. Most big political changes come via upheavals, and T wants a political seismic activity which will shift the 46 billion baht to his wallet, and jiggle him back to the PM's seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 what an evil man - all I see here is stiring hate These are sad and bad times for Thailand, I just hope that my speculation is wrong and for those that think there is a democracy here - well that is simply not the case, the infratructure is not there to support it and is open to abuse which is exactly what is taking place right now, I don't agree with military intervention but I am glad they are there when it all goes wrong - seems pretty obvious that is what is happening right now - it's all going wrong so how do you fix it - well you install and interim government and let them place rigid structures to support democracy like a constitution and indipendant judicial system then at some point when it's all in place and provides a good solid base you proceed to the polls - oh wait hasn't that already happened and the new government is trying to dismantle it all - it seems the Thais just don't get it and quite a few on here don't get it either Do you think Obama should be able to rewrite the Amercan constitution because he doesn't like some of it or it's incriminating his brother....ahem Thais just haven't grasped the concept of democracy and that is the problem - they think if elected they can do whatever they want and that is dangerous and wrong - they must work within a set of rules and this government is trying to rewrite them to suit their own ends and that is just wrong Smedley, i agree in essence, but is it possible in this country with all the corruption and self serving nature to put an independent judiciary system in place, or given the nature of these people, will they always be corruptable if it is self serving to be so. Whilst the reasons for the army doing it, could be justified previously, is it not a bit hypocritical on the one hand to lambast the PTP government for seeking to amend the constituition whilst when the army took over in 2006, they did just that? Agree that it is good to have the army there as a final resort to sought out any real issue which could scale to civil war, but it is not exactly if the army, its generals and its previous history makes it the bastion of fair play and puts it in a knowledgable or proper position to dictate how to run the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 well the army elected to not run the country and installed what I would regard as a well educated prime minister and government who then proceeded to put in place measures that could create a lasting solid democratic base only to have the next elected government try to unravel to good work - that's how I see it, elected governments cannot be allowed to change the basic foundation of lawful society if they want democracy to work, they can certaintly improve by adding more rules were appropriate but must not be allowed to change the fundamentals which Absith and his party put in place to the best of their ability - if the PM's brother is caught for speeding at 120kph in an 80kph road you simply can't rewrite the speed limit to 120kph to get him off. If we were all to offer solutions to the current problems it would not be too far from what has already happened over the past 5 years, Thaksin is doing nothing to help Thailand - if only the Thai people could see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yunla Posted June 3, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2012 (edited) well the army elected to not run the country and installed what I would regard as a well educated prime minister and government who then proceeded to put in place measures that could create a lasting solid democratic base only to have the next elected government try to unravel to good work I agree entirely, Abhisit was not given enough time to either make the progress he wanted to, nor to be judged on his longterm performance as leader. He set-up several longterm infrastructure plans with heavy investment to improve the longterm outlook for the poorest, however he was then removed from office. He was trying to legislate heavily against corruption, while obviously working inside a system that is saturated in corruption, including members of his own party. Corruption-free democracy is not a IKEA Flatpack that you can take home and put together in an afternoon. I see Abhisit and the DP as not perfect but the best option on the table currently and the best option of the last decade. IMO Abhisit was facing in the right direction and taking the first few faltering steps in that direction when he was voted out. The current PM is facing the wrong direction, has been walking purposefully backwards for over six months, and this week tried to sprint backwards. Edited June 3, 2012 by Yunla 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Ousted and convicted former premier Thaksin Shinawatra also addressed the red shirts through video link "Today, people know what is what. The process of robbing people has begun again," said Thaksin, wearing a red shirt. Seems the trillionaire telecom mogul couldn't sort out the video link. He never moves his mouth in the frozen visual image, but the audio kept right on playing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Po_rEJu4q0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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