Manchester United

[MrRed]

Mate we are in decline don't spoil the feeding frenzy

That was a huge win over Norwich along win that confident, comprehensive win over the mighty Stoke. How did you manage to keep their marquee strike force at bay? Yes indeed, that'll certainly shut all those doubters up MrEdNose

Yep it seems to have done!.... as my mate nev has said six games undefeated is a base to work from and we have not been playing well as everyone and his dog has commented on.

Can't wait til we click

Fulham away next no easy games in the Premier League a win would be a great result for us

[uptheos]

Thats 6 games now undefeated since the west brom game, moyes is slowly getting thing right 4 wins 2 draws and undefeated in october.

Signs of improvement to be seen all around, not getting giddy but moyes has had a lot of stick so you have to credit him when things are starting to go right.

He is slowly starting to see the squad he has to work with and what area's need strengthening.

Moyes, EPL Manager of the Month?

[carmine]

Thats 6 games now undefeated since the west brom game, moyes is slowly getting thing right 4 wins 2 draws and undefeated in october.

Signs of improvement to be seen all around, not getting giddy but moyes has had a lot of stick so you have to credit him when things are starting to go right.

He is slowly starting to see the squad he has to work with and what area's need strengthening.

Jesus Christ Nev…signs of improvement!!!!! Did you watch the first 80 minutes of the Stoke game?

[petermik]

Thats 6 games now undefeated since the west brom game, moyes is slowly getting thing right 4 wins 2 draws and undefeated in october.

Signs of improvement to be seen all around, not getting giddy but moyes has had a lot of stick so you have to credit him when things are starting to go right.

He is slowly starting to see the squad he has to work with and what area's need strengthening.

Moyes will prove in time to be a great manager-following SAF would never be easy for anyone-just like SAF he doesn,t suffer fools but to be fair to the squad he has inherited he will give them all the oportunity to perform or not,as Evertons manager in the past he will know Uniteds strong points and what he considers their weaknesses,this season and into next will be a transitional time for United but the man Moyes will be a huge success,of this I have NO doubt-let City/Chelsea take the silverware in the short term,Spurs/Arsenal/Liverpool will be fighting for the scraps-one of the most,if not THE most famous clubs in world football is mearly re-grouping before embarking on another phase in its illustrious history-to all the ABU,s out there enjoy your brief knocking of this great club-while you can, as it wont be long before you crawl back into your shells once again.

[carmine]

Thats 6 games now undefeated since the west brom game, moyes is slowly getting thing right 4 wins 2 draws and undefeated in october.

Signs of improvement to be seen all around, not getting giddy but moyes has had a lot of stick so you have to credit him when things are starting to go right.

He is slowly starting to see the squad he has to work with and what area's need strengthening.

Moyes will prove in time to be a great manager-following SAF would never be easy for anyone-just like SAF he doesn,t suffer fools but to be fair to the squad he has inherited he will give them all the oportunity to perform or not,as Evertons manager in the past he will know Uniteds strong points and what he considers their weaknesses,this season and into next will be a transitional time for United but the man Moyes will be a huge success,of this I have NO doubt-let City/Chelsea take the silverware in the short term,Spurs/Arsenal/Liverpool will be fighting for the scraps-one of the most,if not THE most famous clubs in world football is mearly re-grouping before embarking on another phase in its illustrious history-to all the ABU,s out there enjoy your brief knocking of this great club-while you can, as it wont be long before you crawl back into your shells once again.

All i can do is smile!

[nev]

Thats 6 games now undefeated since the west brom game, moyes is slowly getting thing right 4 wins 2 draws and undefeated in october.

Signs of improvement to be seen all around, not getting giddy but moyes has had a lot of stick so you have to credit him when things are starting to go right.

He is slowly starting to see the squad he has to work with and what area's need strengthening.

Jesus Christ Nev…signs of improvement!!!!! Did you watch the first 80 minutes of the Stoke game?

Yes mate and we did a good job and non reliant on a dodgy penalty to get our win unlike your lot.

[smokie36]

 

Thats 6 games now undefeated since the west brom game, moyes is slowly getting thing right 4 wins 2 draws and undefeated in october.

 

Signs of improvement to be seen all around, not getting giddy but moyes has had a lot of stick so you have to credit him when things are starting to go right.

 

He is slowly starting to see the squad he has to work with and what area's need strengthening.

 

Jesus Christ Nev…signs of improvement!!!!!   Did you watch the first 80 minutes of the Stoke game?

 

Yes mate and we did a good job and non reliant on a dodgy penalty to get our win unlike your lot.

Meweeeeow!

[carmine]

Thats 6 games now undefeated since the west brom game, moyes is slowly getting thing right 4 wins 2 draws and undefeated in october.

Signs of improvement to be seen all around, not getting giddy but moyes has had a lot of stick so you have to credit him when things are starting to go right.

He is slowly starting to see the squad he has to work with and what area's need strengthening.

Jesus Christ Nev…signs of improvement!!!!! Did you watch the first 80 minutes of the Stoke game?

Yes mate and we did a good job and non reliant on a dodgy penalty to get our win unlike your lot.

Well i'm quite happy to say then that if you continue to play as you did against Stoke for the rest of the season you have no chance of finishing in the top seven.

[carmine]

Thats 6 games now undefeated since the west brom game, moyes is slowly getting thing right 4 wins 2 draws and undefeated in october.

Signs of improvement to be seen all around, not getting giddy but moyes has had a lot of stick so you have to credit him when things are starting to go right.

He is slowly starting to see the squad he has to work with and what area's need strengthening.

Jesus Christ Nev…signs of improvement!!!!! Did you watch the first 80 minutes of the Stoke game?

Yes mate and we did a good job and non reliant on a dodgy penalty to get our win unlike your lot.

Meweeeeow!

Yes mate, Man Utd fans' Ferguson crowing has turned into Moyes whining.

[rixalex]

Thats 6 games now undefeated since the west brom game, moyes is slowly getting thing right 4 wins 2 draws and undefeated in october.

Signs of improvement to be seen all around, not getting giddy but moyes has had a lot of stick so you have to credit him when things are starting to go right.

He is slowly starting to see the squad he has to work with and what area's need strengthening.

Jesus Christ Nevsigns of improvement!!!!! Did you watch the first 80 minutes of the Stoke game?

For sure, we had some comically bad defending moments in those 80 minutes, which were pretty bizarre and inexplicable, but those moments aside, thought we played pretty well. Possession stats remained at around 65% for the whole game, and we finished with 19 shots and 12 corners, compared to their 10 and 2. Plus, Stoke being Stoke, they fouled us 18 times to our 8.

Anyway, bit of a boring game last night but a good result. My heart did though sink to see Anderson come on. Hope it was just a case of putting him in the shop window. No other reason for him to play. Found Young quite frustrating. Lost count of the number of over hit crosses to nobody he made. Valencia is much more effective these days. Zaha didn't really do much for me either. OK, it was his first game, but Januzaj has shown how you break into the first team and make an impact. No reason why Zaha couldn't do the same. Perhaps what the manager has been saying about him not showing himself ready in training has been the real reason for him not starting, not the reason every one seems to believe about him shagging the manager's daughter. Anyway, average start or not, hope we give him a bit of a run now. Kagawa too. Would have liked him to come on instead of Rooney last night. Not sure why the manager felt Rooney needed pitch time.

[petermik]

Thats 6 games now undefeated since the west brom game, moyes is slowly getting thing right 4 wins 2 draws and undefeated in october.

Signs of improvement to be seen all around, not getting giddy but moyes has had a lot of stick so you have to credit him when things are starting to go right.

He is slowly starting to see the squad he has to work with and what area's need strengthening.

Moyes will prove in time to be a great manager-following SAF would never be easy for anyone-just like SAF he doesn,t suffer fools but to be fair to the squad he has inherited he will give them all the oportunity to perform or not,as Evertons manager in the past he will know Uniteds strong points and what he considers their weaknesses,this season and into next will be a transitional time for United but the man Moyes will be a huge success,of this I have NO doubt-let City/Chelsea take the silverware in the short term,Spurs/Arsenal/Liverpool will be fighting for the scraps-one of the most,if not THE most famous clubs in world football is mearly re-grouping before embarking on another phase in its illustrious history-to all the ABU,s out there enjoy your brief knocking of this great club-while you can, as it wont be long before you crawl back into your shells once again.

All i can do is smile!

If I can bring a smile it makes my life worth while-

[sumrit]

Thats 6 games now undefeated since the west brom game, moyes is slowly getting thing right 4 wins 2 draws and undefeated in october.

Signs of improvement to be seen all around, not getting giddy but moyes has had a lot of stick so you have to credit him when things are starting to go right.

He is slowly starting to see the squad he has to work with and what area's need strengthening.

Moyes will prove in time to be a great manager-following SAF would never be easy for anyone-just like SAF he doesn,t suffer fools but to be fair to the squad he has inherited he will give them all the oportunity to perform or not,as Evertons manager in the past he will know Uniteds strong points and what he considers their weaknesses,this season and into next will be a transitional time for United but the man Moyes will be a huge success,of this I have NO doubt-let City/Chelsea take the silverware in the short term,Spurs/Arsenal/Liverpool will be fighting for the scraps-one of the most,if not THE most famous clubs in world football is mearly re-grouping before embarking on another phase in its illustrious history-to all the ABU,s out there enjoy your brief knocking of this great club-while you can, as it wont be long before you crawl back into your shells once again.

All i can do is smile!

A wry smile that says you agree

[carmine]

Thats 6 games now undefeated since the west brom game, moyes is slowly getting thing right 4 wins 2 draws and undefeated in october.

Signs of improvement to be seen all around, not getting giddy but moyes has had a lot of stick so you have to credit him when things are starting to go right.

He is slowly starting to see the squad he has to work with and what area's need strengthening.

Moyes will prove in time to be a great manager-following SAF would never be easy for anyone-just like SAF he doesn,t suffer fools but to be fair to the squad he has inherited he will give them all the oportunity to perform or not,as Evertons manager in the past he will know Uniteds strong points and what he considers their weaknesses,this season and into next will be a transitional time for United but the man Moyes will be a huge success,of this I have NO doubt-let City/Chelsea take the silverware in the short term,Spurs/Arsenal/Liverpool will be fighting for the scraps-one of the most,if not THE most famous clubs in world football is mearly re-grouping before embarking on another phase in its illustrious history-to all the ABU,s out there enjoy your brief knocking of this great club-while you can, as it wont be long before you crawl back into your shells once again.

All i can do is smile!

A wry smile that says you agree

No a wry smile that says if you play like you did against Stoke for the rest of the season you will not finish in the top seven. You'll need to score five against the top six clubs just to get a draw. If thats progress, fair enough.

[MrRed]

Thats 6 games now undefeated since the west brom game, moyes is slowly getting thing right 4 wins 2 draws and undefeated in october.

Signs of improvement to be seen all around, not getting giddy but moyes has had a lot of stick so you have to credit him when things are starting to go right.

He is slowly starting to see the squad he has to work with and what area's need strengthening.

Jesus Christ Nev…signs of improvement!!!!! Did you watch the first 80 minutes of the Stoke game?

Yes mate and we did a good job and non reliant on a dodgy penalty to get our win unlike your lot.

Well i'm quite happy to say then that if you continue to play as you did against Stoke for the rest of the season you have no chance of finishing in the top seven.

Winning and performing badly is a trait of champions but alas supporting your team you wouldn't know that...i think it is very easy for the likes of you and others to easily have a go and discredit anything United at the moment....................it is nevertheless understandable as not only because of our record in the Premier League but the way in which we have played football doing it!

We will continue to support the club and the new manager even if we think he gets it wrong from time to time ...you cannot replace Ferguson and his achievements at the club overnight can you?

Deep down you all are ABU's and the thought of United continuing like we did under Ferguson is a deep rooted fear for you all............isn't it.

[MrRed]

Moyes will prove in time to be a great manager-following SAF would never be easy for anyone-just like SAF he doesn,t suffer fools but to be fair to the squad he has inherited he will give them all the oportunity to perform or not,as Evertons manager in the past he will know Uniteds strong points and what he considers their weaknesses,this season and into next will be a transitional time for United but the man Moyes will be a huge success,of this I have NO doubt-let City/Chelsea take the silverware in the short term,Spurs/Arsenal/Liverpool will be fighting for the scraps-one of the most,if not THE most famous clubs in world football is mearly re-grouping before embarking on another phase in its illustrious history-to all the ABU,s out there enjoy your brief knocking of this great club-while you can, as it wont be long before you crawl back into your shells once again.

mes now undefeated since the west brom game, moyes is slowly getting thing right 4 wins 2 draws and undefeated in october.

Signs of improvement to be seen all around, not getting giddy but moyes has had a lot of stick so you have to credit him when things are starting to go right.

He is slowly starting to see the squad he has to work with and what area's need strengthening.

All i can do is smile!

A wry smile that says you agree

No a wry smile that says if you play like you did against Stoke for the rest of the season you will not finish in the top seven. You'll need to score five against the top six clubs just to get a draw. If thats progress, fair enough.

Top six now is it hope you are not including Spurs cos they can't score in a brothel unless they are awarded a freebie.

[nev]

Moyes will prove in time to be a great manager-following SAF would never be easy for anyone-just like SAF he doesn,t suffer fools but to be fair to the squad he has inherited he will give them all the oportunity to perform or not,as Evertons manager in the past he will know Uniteds strong points and what he considers their weaknesses,this season and into next will be a transitional time for United but the man Moyes will be a huge success,of this I have NO doubt-let City/Chelsea take the silverware in the short term,Spurs/Arsenal/Liverpool will be fighting for the scraps-one of the most,if not THE most famous clubs in world football is mearly re-grouping before embarking on another phase in its illustrious history-to all the ABU,s out there enjoy your brief knocking of this great club-while you can, as it wont be long before you crawl back into your shells once again.

mes now undefeated since the west brom game, moyes is slowly getting thing right 4 wins 2 draws and undefeated in october.

Signs of improvement to be seen all around, not getting giddy but moyes has had a lot of stick so you have to credit him when things are starting to go right.

He is slowly starting to see the squad he has to work with and what area's need strengthening.

All i can do is smile!

A wry smile that says you agree

No a wry smile that says if you play like you did against Stoke for the rest of the season you will not finish in the top seven. You'll need to score five against the top six clubs just to get a draw. If thats progress, fair enough.

Top six now is it hope you are not including Spurs cos they can't score in a brothel unless they are awarded a freebie.

And how many players did they spunk Bale's money on, to turn them from a one man team to a no man team

[Chicog]

Moyes will prove in time to be a great manager

You're funny.

Moyes has been in management for 15 years and by that time Ferguson had already taken an unfashionable Scottish team to three titles and six cups, including two European trophies.

Moyes is not even going to get close. All he can hope for is that there is still a vacancy in the Premiership when he and Merchandise United agree to part company.

[carmine]

Moyes will prove in time to be a great manager

You're funny.

Moyes has been in management for 15 years and by that time Ferguson had already taken an unfashionable Scottish team to three titles and six cups, including two European trophies.

Moyes is not even going to get close. All he can hope for is that there is still a vacancy in the Premiership when he and Merchandise United agree to part company.

Quite. It really amuses me when some defend Moyes on the basis that it took Ferguson time too!!! <deleted> are those numb nuts talking about. Ferguson was already a seasoned winner having done it the hard way.

All he had to do at United was indoctrinate the squad with his RedNosecult type thing! But most importantly, he knew how to win already. Moyes can't win a derby let alone a cup. The charity shield in august was gratis Ferguson

btw, that photo of Moyes looks like Bugs Bunny after a road kill

Edited October 31, 2013 by carmine

[rixalex]

Moyes will prove in time to be a great manager

You're funny.

Moyes has been in management for 15 years and by that time Ferguson had already taken an unfashionable Scottish team to three titles and six cups, including two European trophies.

Moyes is not even going to get close. All he can hope for is that there is still a vacancy in the Premiership when he and Merchandise United agree to part company.

The funny thing here is an Arsenal fan stressing how important he thinks silverware is to being a decent manager.

[rixalex]

Quite. It really amuses me when some defend Moyes on the basis that it took Ferguson time too!!! <deleted> are those numb nuts talking about. Ferguson was already a seasoned winner having done it the hard way.

All he had to do at United was indoctrinate the squad with his RedNosecult type thing! But most importantly, he knew how to win already. Moyes can't win a derby let alone a cup. The charity shield in august was gratis Ferguson

btw, that photo of Moyes looks like Bugs Bunny after a road kill:thumbsup:

Another funny thing is how, before Moyes made the move to United, most people of all persuasions (save perhaps for city rivals), had nothing but good things to say about the job he was doing at Everton, about how he continually got that team punching above their weight, and on a relative shoestring budget. Was there any manager that could have done a better job with that Everton team than he managed, do you think? Was there any manager that would have had that Everton team winning silverware, in your opinion? Personally i have my doubts.

Now that he has moved to United, sudddenly all that praise has been forgotten by the people who made it, in order that they better ridicule the man.

[carmine]

Quite. It really amuses me when some defend Moyes on the basis that it took Ferguson time too!!! <deleted> are those numb nuts talking about. Ferguson was already a seasoned winner having done it the hard way.

All he had to do at United was indoctrinate the squad with his RedNosecult type thing! But most importantly, he knew how to win already. Moyes can't win a derby let alone a cup. The charity shield in august was gratis Ferguson

btw, that photo of Moyes looks like Bugs Bunny after a road kill:thumbsup:

Another funny thing is how, before Moyes made the move to United, most people of all persuasions (save perhaps for city rivals), had nothing but good things to say about the job he was doing at Everton, about how he continually got that team punching above their weight, and on a relative shoestring budget. Was there any manager that could have done a better job with that Everton team than he managed, do you think? Was there any manager that would have had that Everton team winning silverware, in your opinion? Personally i have my doubts.

Now that he has moved to United, sudddenly all that praise has been forgotten by the people who made it, in order that they better ridicule the man.

Thats very true and a fair comment. I was one of them. I think he did a great job.

But, the thing is, managing Manchester United, the aspirations of the club and fans, playing in the desired way is a completely different thing. Ferguson's description was going from M&S to Harrods.

He hasn't demonstrated to me that he can't coach a team to play anything other than the one dimensional, spoiling, get stuck Everton football. Probably explained why he was stupid enough to pay over the odds of Fellaini who never was and never will be a United style player.

He seems devoid of the gravitas needed to manage a dressing of players used to winning silverware and certainly doesn't ooze charisma.

Theres a lot more to managing a big club than being a good solid bloke which he seems to be, otherwise we'd all be top football managers. I won't go into tactical awareness because he doesn't seem to have any except "thump the ball up to the big lad to knock on" stuff.

He just strikes me as a somewhat better version of Sam Alladyce

[rixalex]

Thats very true and a fair comment. I was one of them. I think he did a great job.

But, the thing is, managing Manchester United, the aspirations of the club and fans, playing in the desired way is a completely different thing. Ferguson's description was going from M&S to Harrods.

He hasn't demonstrated to me that he can't coach a team to play anything other than the one dimensional, spoiling, get stuck Everton football. Probably explained why he was stupid enough to pay over the odds of Fellaini who never was and never will be a United style player.

He seems devoid of the gravitas needed to manage a dressing of players used to winning silverware and certainly doesn't ooze charisma.

Theres a lot more to managing a big club than being a good solid bloke which he seems to be, otherwise we'd all be top football managers. I won't go into tactical awareness because he doesn't seem to have any except "thump the ball up to the big lad to knock on" stuff.

He just strikes me as a somewhat better version of Sam Alladyce

In one breath you are admitting the great job he did at Everton, and in the next, you are saying he has zero tactical awareness/ability. Doesn't make sense. Well actually it does... if you were to state something reasonable, like he is tactically very astute, as his time at Everton proved, but perhaps he doesn't yet have the tactical nous for a top side, and perhaps he needs time adapting to the sort of players he has at his disposal versus the players he had at Everton, that hardly helps ridicule him. Better to just say he is completely hopeless, completely out of his depth, yada yada yada. It's the prevalent tabloid mentality. Someones has to be either a complete winner or a complete loser these days.

[carmine]

Thats very true and a fair comment. I was one of them. I think he did a great job.

But, the thing is, managing Manchester United, the aspirations of the club and fans, playing in the desired way is a completely different thing. Ferguson's description was going from M&S to Harrods.

He hasn't demonstrated to me that he can't coach a team to play anything other than the one dimensional, spoiling, get stuck Everton football. Probably explained why he was stupid enough to pay over the odds of Fellaini who never was and never will be a United style player.

He seems devoid of the gravitas needed to manage a dressing of players used to winning silverware and certainly doesn't ooze charisma.

Theres a lot more to managing a big club than being a good solid bloke which he seems to be, otherwise we'd all be top football managers. I won't go into tactical awareness because he doesn't seem to have any except "thump the ball up to the big lad to knock on" stuff.

He just strikes me as a somewhat better version of Sam Alladyce

In one breath you are admitting the great job he did at Everton, and in the next, you are saying he has zero tactical awareness/ability. Doesn't make sense. Well actually it does... if you were to state something reasonable, like he is tactically very astute, as his time at Everton proved, but perhaps he doesn't yet have the tactical nous for a top side, and perhaps he needs time adapting to the sort of players he has at his disposal versus the players he had at Everton, that hardly helps ridicule him. Better to just say he is completely hopeless, completely out of his depth, yada yada yada. It's the prevalent tabloid mentality. Someones has to be either a complete winner or a complete loser these days.

Perhaps i'm not explaining myself properly so i'll try again.

I think his tactics work to a certain level of football and will achieve required results at a certain level. However he, his tactics will not and are not able or capable of stepping up a few notches which is what is required. He can't change tactics within a game either which the top drawer managers can and thats another requirement.

I think my point is very clear, whether anyone agrees or not. Its similar to Alladyce being able to turn up at West Ham and do a job. But he isn't taking them any further than he has because he's used all he has in his locker. Moyes has shown all he has in his locker. Its fine for staying in the top half of the premier league but its not enough to go any further.

I certainly wasn't ridiculing him btw. He's well capable of that as you are well aware with his stupid comments and conspiracy theories that even had the press corps cringing. How a manager of fifteen years experience could come out with that stuff is beyond me.

Anyway, you won't agree so we'll just have to see for ourselves come may.

[mjj]

So you are saying Moyes is one dimensional.......a bit like AVB then. :-)

[jellydog]

Quite. It really amuses me when some defend Moyes on the basis that it took Ferguson time too!!! <deleted> are those numb nuts talking about. Ferguson was already a seasoned winner having done it the hard way.

All he had to do at United was indoctrinate the squad with his RedNosecult type thing! But most importantly, he knew how to win already. Moyes can't win a derby let alone a cup. The charity shield in august was gratis Ferguson

btw, that photo of Moyes looks like Bugs Bunny after a road kill:thumbsup:

Another funny thing is how, before Moyes made the move to United, most people of all persuasions (save perhaps for city rivals), had nothing but good things to say about the job he was doing at Everton, about how he continually got that team punching above their weight, and on a relative shoestring budget. Was there any manager that could have done a better job with that Everton team than he managed, do you think? Was there any manager that would have had that Everton team winning silverware, in your opinion? Personally i have my doubts.

Now that he has moved to United, sudddenly all that praise has been forgotten by the people who made it, in order that they better ridicule the man.

Thats very true and a fair comment. I was one of them. I think he did a great job.

But, the thing is, managing Manchester United, the aspirations of the club and fans, playing in the desired way is a completely different thing. Ferguson's description was going from M&S to Harrods.

He hasn't demonstrated to me that he can't coach a team to play anything other than the one dimensional, spoiling, get stuck Everton football. Probably explained why he was stupid enough to pay over the odds of Fellaini who never was and never will be a United style player.

He seems devoid of the gravitas needed to manage a dressing of players used to winning silverware and certainly doesn't ooze charisma.

Theres a lot more to managing a big club than being a good solid bloke which he seems to be, otherwise we'd all be top football managers. I won't go into tactical awareness because he doesn't seem to have any except "thump the ball up to the big lad to knock on" stuff.

He just strikes me as a somewhat better version of Sam Alladyce

Agreed with it all, but the highlighted comment for me is the key. Forget the strategy and tactics, he doesn't strike me as a guy cut out to manage a huge club with everything that brings. It ain't easy and the very large majority of managers aren't cut out for it as well. I think SAF and United made a mistake by not opting for a big time manager. I don't buy the theory that big time managers would have stayed away for fear of failure following SAF. I imagine most of them would have jumped at the chance. You don't become a big time manager without taking on challenges.

The idea that SAF and United were looking for a manager who would be there a long time like SAF, and even approach his success over a long period, strikes me as a fantasy. Best realize that SAF was a humongous one off, hire a manager with a top notch pedigree, do some housecleaning with the players who should have been sent packing one, two or three years ago, and then get on with it.

Instead, they hire a guy because he talks with same accent as Ferguson. My bet is that while Ferguson's huge ego was instrumental in his success as a manager, it didn't serve United well in picking his successor.

[carmine]

So you are saying Moyes is one dimensional.......a bit like AVB then. :-)

AVB's already won the europa cup and a domestic double and is young enough to be Moyes' son. However he has about fifteen more years learning before you try to compare him, sunshine

Edited October 31, 2013 by carmine

[carmine]

Yes, thats another one thrown my way. It was ferguson's choice and you think you know better than him?

Ofcourse i don't but Ferguson also approved the signings of numerous players like Djemba Djemba, Anderson Taibo to name but three. No ones infallible.

Mindyou, scots accents are the only ones Rooney seems to understand so there are positives

[BangrakBob]

Quite. It really amuses me when some defend Moyes on the basis that it took Ferguson time too!!! <deleted> are those numb nuts talking about. Ferguson was already a seasoned winner having done it the hard way.

All he had to do at United was indoctrinate the squad with his RedNosecult type thing! But most importantly, he knew how to win already. Moyes can't win a derby let alone a cup. The charity shield in august was gratis Ferguson

btw, that photo of Moyes looks like Bugs Bunny after a road kill:thumbsup:

Another funny thing is how, before Moyes made the move to United, most people of all persuasions (save perhaps for city rivals), had nothing but good things to say about the job he was doing at Everton, about how he continually got that team punching above their weight, and on a relative shoestring budget. Was there any manager that could have done a better job with that Everton team than he managed, do you think? Was there any manager that would have had that Everton team winning silverware, in your opinion? Personally i have my doubts.

Under Moyes they were a pretty boring team to watch though. I think Martinez is doing a better job already. He started by doing a better job than United in summer market, it didn't take long for him to stamp his philosophy on the team. Now they play a more modern style of possession based football.

[rixalex]

Under Moyes they were a pretty boring team to watch though. I think Martinez is doing a better job already. He started by doing a better job than United in summer market, it didn't take long for him to stamp his philosophy on the team. Now they play a more modern style of possession based football.

Re being boring to watch under Moyes, i think when you have the budget available to you that he did, your first and foremost priority is staying up, and the safest way of doing that, is by playing in they style that he did. Sure it's not pretty, but what good is pretty football if you end up going down?

Short term, yes, teams like Everton can do well playing pretty football, but long term, once other teams have sussed you out, i don't think the chances are good. Let's see how things pan out. Martinez has only been there five minutes.

[BangrakBob]

Under Moyes they were a pretty boring team to watch though. I think Martinez is doing a better job already. He started by doing a better job than United in summer market, it didn't take long for him to stamp his philosophy on the team. Now they play a more modern style of possession based football.

Re being boring to watch under Moyes, i think when you have the budget available to you that he did, your first and foremost priority is staying up, and the safest way of doing that, is by playing in they style that he did. Sure it's not pretty, but what good is pretty football if you end up going down?

Short term, yes, teams like Everton can do well playing pretty football, but long term, once other teams have sussed you out, i don't think the chances are good. Let's see how things pan out. Martinez has only been there five minutes.

Or maybe it is that it's Moyes style of football and that's why he played that way for 10 years.

Well I can't disagree with you regarding pretty football and going down, Wigan under Martinez proved that. Although I think he has a higher quality squad at Everton, as you say we'll see.