'Crisis Looms If Yingluck Won't Act'

[rubl]

This could be a first - the Original Post being the first to invoke Godwins Law even before the usual suspects had a chance

He said if the charter amendment bill was passed, Thai democracy would turn into dictatorial rule similar to that of Germany's Adolf Hitler

Mind you it was a Democrat MP who said it...............

I know it isn't fair, not really, sorry about that

Now Thaksin, oh Thaksin, show us the sign

Your children have waited to see

The morning will come when the world is yours

Tomorrow belongs to you!

[hellodolly]

Did it not occur to anyone that it was anticipated that there would be reisistance to the reconciliation bill and that those proposing the legislation had a good idea as to what would happen? I think there is a plan, or at least what passes for a plan in Thailand. People on both sides of the dispute are gambling on just how far they can push their views. To date there have been some protests, but so far nothing serious in terms of rampage or violence. As long as general peace holds, both sides will keep at it. IMO the government will proceed with the legislative process on the basis that the elected MPs have a right to decide on legislation. Should the situation become too hot to handle, then the government can pull back and say, we fulfilled our obligation, and should the CC wish to review the legislation in accordance with a legitimate legal appeal, then we must respect that process. Everyone wins. The bill is on the books, but is not applicable until the CC passes judgement on the legal aspects. Everyone saves face, and then we go back to the waiting game. We might just see, Mr. Thaksin postpone his return for another year, just in time for the financial crisis in the EU and China to start its impact.

Let us assume the bill passes through all challenges and becomes law.

How will that bring about reunification?

Are the red shirts going to say Oh we were so wrong in what we did? When we were illegally occupying public streets and told to move we made a big mistake please forgive us. Come to our homes for Diner.

Of course there is resistance to a bill that is named suggesting reconciliation and contains not a single item in it to attain reconciliation. What has giving an amnesty to a man who is a convicted criminal and giving his money back to him have to do with reconciliation?

[hellodolly]

Abhisit is on stage now giving a good speech to a calm peaceful crowd in BKK.

In 35 mins so far I have not heard him ask anyone to burn any part of Bangkok or to go out and kill soldiers. He has not asked anyone to bring a liter of fuel each, nor has he suggested they all throw blood and excrement on Yinglucks gate and driveway.

Or in other words, his gentlemanly behaviour explains why some here like to call him unelectable

Really? The conduct of his MPs in the house suggest that either he is unable to control and maintain order in his MPs in the house, or he has two faces: One is to incite trouble in the House and the other is to present a public image of being all nice and proper. Which is it?

U don't think he has full control of his party to the point of being able to maintain discipline nor command the respect of his rank and file. He makes for a nice public face of the party, but that is about it. I believe the term is "lame duck" leader.

At least he isn't hiding in Dubai doing it. He is right here for all to see.

Reminds me of the old saying are you a man or a mouse. A mouse runs away.

Besides that one would have to be six bricks short of a load to think some would act the same way no matter what was happening.

How would you have reacted if they were voting to take that much money away from you if it was legally yours as it is the tax payers legal money. Would you just sit there and say Oh thank you sir. Or if you could stop it with a outburst would you still sit there and say Oh thank you sir?

[JAG]

This could be a first - the Original Post being the first to invoke Godwins Law even before the usual suspects had a chance

He said if the charter amendment bill was passed, Thai democracy would turn into dictatorial rule similar to that of Germany's Adolf Hitler

Mind you it was a Democrat MP who said it...............

I know it isn't fair, not really, sorry about that

Now Thaksin, oh Thaksin, show us the sign

Your children have waited to see

The morning will come when the world is yours

Tomorrow belongs to you!

Would you agree, if you feel that anthem to be accurate, that the very large number of Thais who support Thaksin are effectively Nazis?

If so that is a foul slur on a significant section of the Thai people.

If not then I hope you agree that it is a cheap gibe, and you will withdraw it. After all, no one is accusing you of being a drug dealing pornographer, which is an (equally false) stereotype often applied to people from the Netherlands!

[hellodolly]

This could be a first - the Original Post being the first to invoke Godwins Law even before the usual suspects had a chance

He said if the charter amendment bill was passed, Thai democracy would turn into dictatorial rule similar to that of Germany's Adolf Hitler

Mind you it was a Democrat MP who said it...............

I know it isn't fair, not really, sorry about that

Now Thaksin, oh Thaksin, show us the sign

Your children have waited to see

The morning will come when the world is yours

Tomorrow belongs to you!

Would you agree, if you feel that anthem to be accurate, that the very large number of Thais who support Thaksin are effectively Nazis?

If so that is a foul slur on a significant section of the Thai people.

If not then I hope you agree that it is a cheap gibe, and you will withdraw it. After all, no one is accusing you of being a drug dealing pornographer, which is an (equally false) stereotype often applied to people from the Netherlands!

For crying out loud all he is saying in a sarcastic way is Thaksins supporters aren't very smart.

Big difference the Nazis included the whole population. They were smart enough to build rockets.

The resemblance to the red shirts and the Nazis is in the leader they both chose.

[gand]

Where's Yingluck? MIA? Is she setting a low attendance record for parliament?

[rubl]

This could be a first - the Original Post being the first to invoke Godwins Law even before the usual suspects had a chance

He said if the charter amendment bill was passed, Thai democracy would turn into dictatorial rule similar to that of Germany's Adolf Hitler

Mind you it was a Democrat MP who said it...............

I know it isn't fair, not really, sorry about that

Now Thaksin, oh Thaksin, show us the sign

Your children have waited to see

The morning will come when the world is yours

Tomorrow belongs to you!

Would you agree, if you feel that anthem to be accurate, that the very large number of Thais who support Thaksin are effectively Nazis?

If so that is a foul slur on a significant section of the Thai people.

If not then I hope you agree that it is a cheap gibe, and you will withdraw it. After all, no one is accusing you of being a drug dealing pornographer, which is an (equally false) stereotype often applied to people from the Netherlands!

Just to recap on this: my esteemed fellow poster phiphidon remarked on Hitler being mentioned ... by a Dem's MP

With some Dem MP's having been provoked into offering a salute to the House Speaker, you have me saying, it isn't really fair and (mis)quote from the movie 'Cabaret'.

Next you ask if I feel the 'anthem' to be accurate, if I would agree with .... That's two if's which even unanswered, you start to condemn me on.

Please read again, try to understand, 'Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai acts'

With regards, from your allegedly drugs dealing pornographer from the Netherlands who is still wondering why the description didn't include 'illegal', 'hard' and 'child'. Was someone trying to be kind?

[JAG]

Enough, I am bored with the word games.

i didn't accuse you of being any sort of pornographer - I merely tried to point out that you were stereotyping a large segment of the Thai people, and what that meant.

i happen to be married to a person who in general supports Thaksin. I'm fed up with the constant implication that she and hundreds of thousands like her are stupid, greedy, thuggish, ignorant, deluded,a Nazi etc etc, all just to show how **Snip!** clever some posters are.

Edited June 10, 2012 by metisdead
: Profanity edited out from post.

[ThaiOats]

Enough, I am bored with the word games.

i didn't accuse you of being any sort of pornographer - I merely tried to point out that you were stereotyping a large segment of the Thai people, and what that meant.

i happen to be married to a person who in general supports Thaksin. I'm fed up with the constant implication that she and hundreds of thousands like her are stupid, greedy, thuggish, ignorant, deluded,a Nazi etc etc, all just to show how **Snip!** clever some posters are.

I'm sure you can communicate really well with her, whether in Thai or English right? Were you able to present both sides of the argument to her and explain to her why there are opponents to the Red Shirts and PTP? Also, does she constructively voice her opinion to you so that you can perhaps give us an idea of how wrong we are in thinking that Red shirts are greedying, thuggish or all the above in general? I'm sure most of us are aware that when we say "Red Shirts" it's meant that in general and the term ALL isn't inferred. Unless you know the names of ALL red shirts and want us to individually point them out which I would find very difficult to do.

There are causes for stereotypes no matter how wrong it may be. I wouldn't say Red Shirts are bunch of poop flinging barbarians unless they've done it... oh wait nevermind, bad example. I meant they aren't child molesters unless they've done it repeatedly. I have a neighbor who's a Red Shirt and I know he's not a poop lobbing person nor is he a terrorist to prove my point. Just in general, that's the image perceived. Most of us are enslaved to other people's perception, either positively or negatively. Can't do much about it.

[whybother]

Did it not occur to anyone that it was anticipated that there would be reisistance to the reconciliation bill and that those proposing the legislation had a good idea as to what would happen? I think there is a plan, or at least what passes for a plan in Thailand. People on both sides of the dispute are gambling on just how far they can push their views. To date there have been some protests, but so far nothing serious in terms of rampage or violence. As long as general peace holds, both sides will keep at it. IMO the government will proceed with the legislative process on the basis that the elected MPs have a right to decide on legislation. Should the situation become too hot to handle, then the government can pull back and say, we fulfilled our obligation, and should the CC wish to review the legislation in accordance with a legitimate legal appeal, then we must respect that process. Everyone wins. The bill is on the books, but is not applicable until the CC passes judgement on the legal aspects. Everyone saves face, and then we go back to the waiting game. We might just see, Mr. Thaksin postpone his return for another year, just in time for the financial crisis in the EU and China to start its impact.

Do you really think PTP could sit back and say "we fulfilled our obligation" to Thaksin? This legislation isn't being put out for the red shirts.

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[lannarebirth]

Enough, I am bored with the word games.

i didn't accuse you of being any sort of pornographer - I merely tried to point out that you were stereotyping a large segment of the Thai people, and what that meant.

i happen to be married to a person who in general supports Thaksin. I'm fed up with the constant implication that she and hundreds of thousands like her are stupid, greedy, thuggish, ignorant, deluded,a Nazi etc etc, all just to show how **Snip!** clever some posters are.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that every Thaksin supporter has all the characteristics you name, but they will surely have at least one of them.

[HAL9000]

And they call themselves democrats? Go to the US and try to close a session of congress because you don't like the laws they are debating.

[MikeOboe57]

And they call themselves democrats? Go to the US and try to close a session of congress because you don't like the laws they are debating.

Or threaten the Supreme Court with budget cuts if the judges try to check whether a law is unconstitutional, or refuse to give the oppositition time to voice their opinion in Congress, or have a Cheshire Cat type President who receives orders from a fugitive criminal abroad. Impossible.

[bigbamboo]

Abhisit is on stage now giving a good speech to a calm peaceful crowd in BKK.

In 35 mins so far I have not heard him ask anyone to burn any part of Bangkok or to go out and kill soldiers. He has not asked anyone to bring a liter of fuel each, nor has he suggested they all throw blood and excrement on Yinglucks gate and driveway.

Or in other words, his gentlemanly behaviour explains why some here like to call him unelectable

Really? The conduct of his MPs in the house suggest that either he is unable to control and maintain order in his MPs in the house, or he has two faces: One is to incite trouble in the House and the other is to present a public image of being all nice and proper. Which is it?

U don't think he has full control of his party to the point of being able to maintain discipline nor command the respect of his rank and file. He makes for a nice public face of the party, but that is about it. I believe the term is "lame duck" leader.

Abisit does seem to be struggling to maintain control of his MPs whereas Thaksin's will not do or say anything unless told to by their leader.

[GentlemanJim]

And they call themselves democrats? Go to the US and try to close a session of congress because you don't like the laws they are debating.

But the point is that nobody was being allowed to debate the laws. As far as I am concerned, in order to protect the democratic process, the opposition had no choice but to disrupt parliament. The speaker had basically decided he was bored with the whole thing and that his own party should not have to debate anymore and tried to close the house down. Considering the content of the bills that was a very unwise thing to do. I sometimes wonder where people like yourselves are getting your information from. Do you actually read any Thai newspapers, or is it just snippets of 'News from abroad' in 'The Enquirer'? The real story of what has happened in the house of Parliament is well reported and readily available, so why don't you check it out before making ill informed posts.

When it comes to ungentlemanly, thugish, immature behaviour by politicians, few can compete with British Politicians when the House is in full swing on a contentious debate. We have a parliamentary process which resembles nothing more than a kindergarten when it gets going. The Thai opposition were entirely correct to cause the disruption that they did, however shocking it was for the normally placid Thais. Anyone on here of foreign nationality that reads the contents of the reconciliation bill and sees it as anything other than what it is, a bill to pardon criminals who hold political appointments, needs their heads testing. We should be grateful that a 'breather' has been obtained by a group of politicians that were driven to the point of severe protest by a Government that consider that because they have a mandate they can change the law to suit themselves personally whilst doing nothing at all for their people.

Edited June 11, 2012 by GentlemanJim

[Buchholz]

Did it not occur to anyone that it was anticipated that there would be reisistance to the reconciliation bill and that those proposing the legislation had a good idea as to what would happen? I think there is a plan, or at least what passes for a plan in Thailand. People on both sides of the dispute are gambling on just how far they can push their views. To date there have been some protests, but so far nothing serious in terms of rampage or violence.

yes, it's a scenario that was earlier repeated last year.

Thaksin has a long history on many issues of probing the atmosphere of the public sentiment and legislative manuerving, he has typically been pushing, then retreating, then 6 months later pushing again, then backing off (like presently).

Sorry to disappoint but the PAD rally has been cancelled after news that Thaksin won't be pardoned was announced.

That's great then? I know this if it did start again? I could see the army going in and saying right thats it no more red and yellows as you can't seem to get on plus it's costing peoples livelihood then the army would be in charge of Thailand? i know this is what i would do if i was the person in charge of the army .. I'm so sick and tired of all this as I'm sure everybody else is as it's been going on for fair to long now.. Seems the safest optionin my eyes .

It will start again if the Yingluck government starts to try and exonerate Thaksin again.

PAD's always been pretty straight forward about this and the latest confirms it.

Thaksin backs off and they back off.

[Buchholz]

This could be a first - the Original Post being the first to invoke Godwins Law even before the usual suspects had a chance

He said if the charter amendment bill was passed, Thai democracy would turn into dictatorial rule similar to that of Germany's Adolf Hitler

Mind you it was a Democrat MP who said it...............

Let me help the MP to make his statement much more realistic and yet not any less undesirable.

He said if the charter amendment bill was passed, Thai democracy would turn into dictatorial rule similar to that of Germany's Adolf Hitler Philippines' Ferdinand Marcos.

.

Edited June 11, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Abhisit is on stage now giving a good speech to a calm peaceful crowd in BKK.

In 35 mins so far I have not heard him ask anyone to burn any part of Bangkok or to go out and kill soldiers. He has not asked anyone to bring a liter of fuel each, nor has he suggested they all throw blood and excrement on Yinglucks gate and driveway.

Or in other words, his gentlemanly behaviour explains why some here like to call him unelectable

Really? The conduct of his MPs in the house suggest that either he is unable to control and maintain order in his MPs in the house, or he has two faces: One is to incite trouble in the House and the other is to present a public image of being all nice and proper. Which is it?

U don't think he has full control of his party to the point of being able to maintain discipline nor command the respect of his rank and file. He makes for a nice public face of the party, but that is about it. I believe the term is "lame duck" leader.

Really? So the on topic PM Yingluck may be called a 'not-here' leader, who hasn't read the documentation on the topic discussed, please ask me later, I haven't been told, too early to say, etc., etc. ? Sure she is a pretty face of the party, starting tomorrow four days of nice photo opportunities.

but before she goes, there's today's photo opportunities and keynote address to be made for

"National Agenda: The Thai economy in the ASEAN Economic Community"

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdswuku08zo&feature=player_embedded[/media]

Crisis looming? What crisis looming?

.

Edited June 11, 2012 by Buchholz

[phiphidon]

"At least then she doesn't need the help of soldiers to get into parliament"

Sorry Rubl just had to laugh out loud, as the yoof say, at the above statement, - should the rest of the sentence read

Unlike another party leader we can think of................................

Two days ago PM Yingluck had some soldiers for her protection when at parliament house. Please tell me when another party leader PM had an escort of soldiers in a similar way at the same location. Just to make it easier for you I do not require that at the time red-shirts were camping outside

Looking forward to having my memory refreshed

I'm looking forward to you having your sense of humour restored, but having said nasty things about your nice gentleman I won't hold my breath.

[phiphidon]

And they call themselves democrats? Go to the US and try to close a session of congress because you don't like the laws they are debating.

But the point is that nobody was being allowed to debate the laws. As far as I am concerned, in order to protect the democratic process, the opposition had no choice but to disrupt parliament. The speaker had basically decided he was bored with the whole thing and that his own party should not have to debate anymore and tried to close the house down. Considering the content of the bills that was a very unwise thing to do. I sometimes wonder where people like yourselves are getting your information from. Do you actually read any Thai newspapers, or is it just snippets of 'News from abroad' in 'The Enquirer'? The real story of what has happened in the house of Parliament is well reported and readily available, so why don't you check it out before making ill informed posts.

When it comes to ungentlemanly, thugish, immature behaviour by politicians, few can compete with British Politicians when the House is in full swing on a contentious debate. We have a parliamentary process which resembles nothing more than a kindergarten when it gets going. The Thai opposition were entirely correct to cause the disruption that they did, however shocking it was for the normally placid Thais. Anyone on here of foreign nationality that reads the contents of the reconciliation bill and sees it as anything other than what it is, a bill to pardon criminals who hold political appointments, needs their heads testing. We should be grateful that a 'breather' has been obtained by a group of politicians that were driven to the point of severe protest by a Government that consider that because they have a mandate they can change the law to suit themselves personally whilst doing nothing at all for their people.

And your thoughts on the charter change bill required to form a CDA? Was the dems decision to brand that as a threat to overthrow the head of state a normal reaction to defending democracy in parliament?

[phiphidon]

This could be a first - the Original Post being the first to invoke Godwins Law even before the usual suspects had a chance

He said if the charter amendment bill was passed, Thai democracy would turn into dictatorial rule similar to that of Germany's Adolf Hitler

Mind you it was a Democrat MP who said it...............

Let me help the MP to make his statement much more realistic and yet not any less undesirable.

He said if the charter amendment bill was passed, Thai democracy would turn into dictatorial rule similar to that of Germany's Adolf Hitler Philippines' Ferdinand Marcos.

.

No, still not relevant other than a "normal" Dem MP reaction to the charter ammendment bill.

You do realise that this bill is to amend the constitution so that a Constitution Drafting Assembley can be formed. How do you (and obviously the dem mp) feel that this act would bring about the result that

"Thai democracy would turn into dictatorial rule similar to that of Germany's Adolf Hitler Philippines' Ferdinand Marcos."

So much so that your party would complain to the CC that it would overthow the Head of State - do you really think this is a rational response?

Edited June 11, 2012 by phiphidon

[Thaddeus]

This could be a first - the Original Post being the first to invoke Godwins Law even before the usual suspects had a chance

He said if the charter amendment bill was passed, Thai democracy would turn into dictatorial rule similar to that of Germany's Adolf Hitler

Mind you it was a Democrat MP who said it...............

Let me help the MP to make his statement much more realistic and yet not any less undesirable.

He said if the charter amendment bill was passed, Thai democracy would turn into dictatorial rule similar to that of Germany's Adolf Hitler Philippines' Ferdinand Marcos.

.

No, still not relevant other than a "normal" Dem MP reaction to the charter ammendment bill.

You do realise that this bill is to amend the constitution so that a Constitution Drafting Assembley can be formed. How do you (and obviously the dem mp) feel that this act would bring about the result that

"Thai democracy would turn into dictatorial rule similar to that of Germany's Adolf Hitler Philippines' Ferdinand Marcos."

Given the track record of current administration and previous administrations under different names, plus the current list of promises, can you see anything for the benefit of the country coming from it.

[gand]

Or in other words, his gentlemanly behaviour explains why some here like to call him unelectable

Really? The conduct of his MPs in the house suggest that either he is unable to control and maintain order in his MPs in the house, or he has two faces: One is to incite trouble in the House and the other is to present a public image of being all nice and proper. Which is it?

U don't think he has full control of his party to the point of being able to maintain discipline nor command the respect of his rank and file. He makes for a nice public face of the party, but that is about it. I believe the term is "lame duck" leader.

Really? So the on topic PM Yingluck may be called a 'not-here' leader, who hasn't read the documentation on the topic discussed, please ask me later, I haven't been told, too early to say, etc., etc. ? Sure she is a pretty face of the party, starting tomorrow four days of nice photo opportunities.

but before she goes, there's today's photo opportunities and keynote address to be made for

"National Agenda: The Thai economy in the ASEAN Economic Community"

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdswuku08zo&feature=player_embedded[/media]

Crisis looming? What crisis looming?

.

What, Me worry?

[OzMick]

Enough, I am bored with the word games.

i didn't accuse you of being any sort of pornographer - I merely tried to point out that you were stereotyping a large segment of the Thai people, and what that meant.

i happen to be married to a person who in general supports Thaksin. I'm fed up with the constant implication that she and hundreds of thousands like her are stupid, greedy, thuggish, ignorant, deluded,a Nazi etc etc, all just to show how **Snip!** clever some posters are.

I live harmoniously with a woman who apparently shares your wife's views. I put it down to cultural differences that she can support someone who has a huge fortune based on theft from people living on subsistence incomes, and who offers not even a drop of altruism to those he stole from. Face it, Thaksin was a business failure until he was handed free a concession that could have been sold for billions, not that I doubt there was some under-the-table payments made. He then used his political position to rake off even more, because for venal people there is never enough.

Allowing for lack of education, western standards of morality and ingrained respect for powerful figures, I realise why we disagree. What really does my head in is how somebody with all the advantages she lacks can do the same.

[Time Traveller]

From what I can see, she can't get involved. Yingluck and her family stand to benefit the most from this bill passing, so to be seen as directly involved with the bill will create bigger problems (for her) once it passes.

the bill must pass without her involvement.

How can she not be involved? She is the leader of the party holding a majority, If her party votes for it she bears responsibility, adding a whole new meaning to the buck stops here.

Possibly she could declare a conscience vote (another new concept, a Thai politician with a conscience) but if every MP who has a conflict of interest in this bill recused himself, it would fail on numbers. It is quite obvious that the major beneficiary of the bill is Thaksin, and which member of PTP is not involved with or indebted to him, not to mention the red shirt MPs voting for an amnesty for themselves.

Not necessarily. The bill will give amnesty to the many dozens of soldier who have murdered people as well. Remember the bill was written by Gen. Sonthi - Taksin's arch enemy - he knew that people would see it only as Taksin get his money back. In reality, the killer soldiers get a free pass for their crimes of the past 6 years.

Do they get B46 billion too?

No but their reward is they don't get to spend the rest of the lives in prison for murder.

Edited June 11, 2012 by Time Traveller

[OzMick]

Do they get B46 billion too?

No but their reward is they don't get to spend the rest of the lives in prison for murder.

So it's a case of double standards then. Thaksin and the reds get paid off with public money, and soldiers who put their lives on the line for King and country get squat?

[bigbamboo]

Why do they persist in calling it a reconciliation bill when it is doing anything but? A rehabilitation bill would be closer to the mark.

Of course there are hardliners on both sides but the vast majority of the country just want to get on with own lives and hope at least some of the promises to them by PTP to entice their votes are actually delivered. If it means Thaksin stays away for the good of Thailand and is only a dollar billionaire instead of a dollar multi billionaire then so be it.

They don't want a president anyway.

[Buchholz]

This could be a first - the Original Post being the first to invoke Godwins Law even before the usual suspects had a chance

He said if the charter amendment bill was passed, Thai democracy would turn into dictatorial rule similar to that of Germany's Adolf Hitler

Mind you it was a Democrat MP who said it...............

Let me help the MP to make his statement much more realistic and yet not any less undesirable.

He said if the charter amendment bill was passed, Thai democracy would turn into dictatorial rule similar to that of Germany's Adolf Hitler Philippines' Ferdinand Marcos.

No, still not relevant other than a "normal" Dem MP reaction to the charter ammendment bill.

You do realise that this bill is to amend the constitution so that a Constitution Drafting Assembley can be formed. How do you (and obviously the dem mp) feel that this act would bring about the result that

"Thai democracy would turn into dictatorial rule similar to that of Germany's Adolf Hitler Philippines' Ferdinand Marcos."

So much so that your party would complain to the CC that it would overthow the Head of State - do you really think this is a rational response?

Perhaps the Dem MP is knowledgable about how Marcos, while in power, subjugated the Philippines with his own version of the CDA in order to change to a new constitution in order to get things his own way and change the form of government. If he's not, I am.

Marcos offered the Constitutional Convention of 1971 as a way of allaying the violent contradictions in Philippine society. But Marcos really intended to bribe and capture it; to use it to legitimize a fascist dictatorship and prolong his rule.

The progressive sectors and the opposition, however, exposed and opposed Marcos’s schemes to bribe and influence the 1971 convention. Marcos then resorted to terrorist tactics. To lay the basis for his power grab, Marcos engineered a series of bombing incidents and blamed them on the communists.

Marcos declared martial law in 1972. He imposed his own Marcos constitution in 1973 and jailed all those who opposed it and refused to sign.

Through the 1973 constitution, expanded supreme executive, legislative and judicial authority was grabbed by Marcos. He did away with the democratic rights, institutions, and processes created by the 1935 constitution. He held rigged voting exercises, calling them citizens’ assemblies, referenda, plebiscites and elections.

http://www2.pslweb.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6157&news_iv_ctrl=1041

[tlansford]

Abhisit is on stage now giving a good speech to a calm peaceful crowd in BKK.

In 35 mins so far I have not heard him ask anyone to burn any part of Bangkok or to go out and kill soldiers. He has not asked anyone to bring a liter of fuel each, nor has he suggested they all throw blood and excrement on Yinglucks gate and driveway.

in the same level of relevance as your comments, I am guessing he didn't authorize live rounds, either.

[Moruya]

Abhisit is on stage now giving a good speech to a calm peaceful crowd in BKK.

In 35 mins so far I have not heard him ask anyone to burn any part of Bangkok or to go out and kill soldiers. He has not asked anyone to bring a liter of fuel each, nor has he suggested they all throw blood and excrement on Yinglucks gate and driveway.

in the same level of relevance as your comments, I am guessing he didn't authorize live rounds, either.

No - that was Thaksin.

Keep up!!!