thaicbr Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 What I'm wondering is WHY the red shirt movement are not paying the bail for fellow red shirts. I also find it strange that people can get bail AFTER being convicted. sent from my Wellcom A90+ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 A bit tongue-in-cheek there, Tom. Still, 'a quick search' doesn't tell me otherwise. Au contraire, mon cher "usa bail pending appeal" will give reasonable results indicating that : "in my country (and yours) convicted felons remain incarcerated pending appeal." is not a true statement. While it is possible that in the USA the convicted individual remain in prison pending appeal, it is also possible to be released on bail pending appeal. A few posts before in this conversation you had "It looks like posters forgot the part about the appeal. Go back and check your country's laws again about bail... For those wondering why poor people are given support for their bail, please do some research, there are very good reasons wrt justice" - It seems in most countries the government will assist accused financially and/or with lawyers to defend their rights. - at least (or only?) in the USA convicted criminals can ask for bail pending their appeal on conviction. - in the USA bail for criminals is considered, taking very strictly into account, the crime convicted of, the risk of jumping bail, the risk of repeat of offence, the risk to the commuity, etc., etc. Read this for instance http://www.ndcalfpd....ding Appeal.htm http://www.justice.g.../f3700/3735.htm Going back a bit further in time in this thread you had "It appears that no one posting above recalls that Thailand has a justice fund to be used for people who are not able to post bail. This is the fund (most likely, as the reporting can be a bit sloppy) being used to post bail for these people. It is perfectly normal in most countries to have mechanisms to allow people to post bail (in some way shape or form) who would otherwise not be able to post bail. Check your own country's laws, you'll probably find a similar mechanism." - it seems you were a bit confused about 'posting bail' and 'assist' To conclude, assistance is common, bail granting especially to convicted criminals is not. "- it seems you were a bit confused about 'posting bail' and 'assist'" WADR, Rubl, I am not confused. In fact, compared to the muddle posted in the majority of this thread, I am a beacon of light for the confused. Enjoy ... Can't say if you are right or not but if you are right you are a beacon of light to the red shirts. If you are wrong you are a beacon of light for those wanting justice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Off topic posts and replies have been removed. Please stick to the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonableman Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 A bit tongue-in-cheek there, Tom. Still, 'a quick search' doesn't tell me otherwise. Au contraire, mon cher "usa bail pending appeal" will give reasonable results indicating that : "in my country (and yours) convicted felons remain incarcerated pending appeal." is not a true statement. While it is possible that in the USA the convicted individual remain in prison pending appeal, it is also possible to be released on bail pending appeal. A few posts before in this conversation you had "It looks like posters forgot the part about the appeal. Go back and check your country's laws again about bail... For those wondering why poor people are given support for their bail, please do some research, there are very good reasons wrt justice" - It seems in most countries the government will assist accused financially and/or with lawyers to defend their rights. - at least (or only?) in the USA convicted criminals can ask for bail pending their appeal on conviction. - in the USA bail for criminals is considered, taking very strictly into account, the crime convicted of, the risk of jumping bail, the risk of repeat of offence, the risk to the commuity, etc., etc. Read this for instance http://www.ndcalfpd....ding Appeal.htm http://www.justice.g.../f3700/3735.htm Going back a bit further in time in this thread you had "It appears that no one posting above recalls that Thailand has a justice fund to be used for people who are not able to post bail. This is the fund (most likely, as the reporting can be a bit sloppy) being used to post bail for these people. It is perfectly normal in most countries to have mechanisms to allow people to post bail (in some way shape or form) who would otherwise not be able to post bail. Check your own country's laws, you'll probably find a similar mechanism." - it seems you were a bit confused about 'posting bail' and 'assist' To conclude, assistance is common, bail granting especially to convicted criminals is not. "- it seems you were a bit confused about 'posting bail' and 'assist'" WADR, Rubl, I am not confused. In fact, compared to the muddle posted in the majority of this thread, I am a beacon of light for the confused. Enjoy ... Perhaps a better analogy might be a candle to confused moths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Whilst all the time the reds and PTP are screaming that they want True Democracy they don't understand that what they are actually striving for is in fact pure unadulterated anarchy. And the stupid thing is that they wouldn't know the difference it it slapped them in the face with a large, wet pla chorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Cabinet has approved another 68 million baht for the bail of more red shirts. Apparently the bail is so high (between 1 and 3.8 million each) "the detainees had committed serious offences". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yunla Posted July 9, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) Whilst all the time the reds and PTP are screaming that they want True Democracy they don't understand that what they are actually striving for is in fact pure unadulterated anarchy. And the stupid thing is that they wouldn't know the difference it it slapped them in the face with a large, wet pla chorn. In my opinion, the younger PTP supporters want to have democracy, it looks better on paper 'we have democracy and we are in power'. But that view is not believed or shared higher up in PTP, where they know that they skated into power on a populist novelty ticket (the first female PM), mixed with tribal-pressure and of course payments. Nobody high up in PTP honestly believes (in my opinion) that they will win a second term not in a few years or even ever. The analogy is of a drunken lout who gate-crashes a high-society party, smashes all the tableware, throws up on the floor and then asks to be invited to next weeks party. Infact PTP know that they do not have the political capability to lead in a democracy, and their grass-roots followers are already losing faith in them and will do so exponentially. Bailing out party members using state funds is obviously shameful, as is retaining the services of multiple convicted criminals within a ruling party. They should be discharged from the party, and made to pay their own bail. In a true dictatorship the members of government are considered untouchable by any external laws, and only subject to the judgement of the party Leader, often acting on the advice of the administrative committee. PTP wasting all this state-money bailing out their criminal members, is just a roundabout way of doing what happens in NK or under Stalin. In those regimes, if you carried the party card you had protection so long as the Leader approved. Either way the end result is the same, either you have a regime that are literally above the law, or as with PTP they challenge the law enforced against their leader, and use state money to bail out their street thugs and agitators. The difference between that and totalitaran dictatorship is basically cosmetic, in both cases it is clear from the start that party-survival and membership-absolution are the highest priorities. If the Leader approves of their actions they are free to stay in office, regardless of the crimes they are committing. Edited July 9, 2012 by Yunla 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Moruya Posted July 9, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2012 Freeing these red shirts was tantamount to tossing them a bone. Thaksin had angered the UDD with a number of statements and following his "you carried me across the river" speech, they were turning against him. They got the bone and it will keep them quiet for a short time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuneeTH Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Cabinet has approved another 68 million baht for the bail of more red shirts. Apparently the bail is so high (between 1 and 3.8 million each) "the detainees had committed serious offences". Yes. Like Kasit, Sondhi & Thaksin, these red (mostly commie) are alleged terrorists. Luckily they are not in US military jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Cabinet has approved another 68 million baht for the bail of more red shirts. Apparently the bail is so high (between 1 and 3.8 million each) "the detainees had committed serious offences". Yes. Like Kasit, Sondhi & Thaksin, these red (mostly commie) are alleged terrorists. Luckily they are not in US military jail. Actually, no. Those receiving bail are not alleged terrorists, they are CONVICTED arsonists that have been found guilty on the evidence presented, sentences handed down, and imprisoned to serve their punishment. However, the acts they committed were done on clearly stated orders of leaders now PTP party list MPs who enjoy immunity due to their parliamentary status - so some way has to be found to whitewash their crimes before that immunity expires. Meanwhile it seems unfair that the minions actually have to serve time while an amnesty is being procured, hence the surety that involves no personal commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) Cabinet has approved another 68 million baht for the bail of more red shirts. Apparently the bail is so high (between 1 and 3.8 million each) "the detainees had committed serious offences". Yes, the Yingluck Cabinet approved the expenditure yesterday of an additional 68,200,000 baht to bail out more Red Shirts because the 43,800,000 baht the Yingluck Cabinet had approved and allocated just last January to bail out Red Shirts has run out. The taxpayer-funded expense has now totaled over 100 million baht. A big chunk of the newly approved funding will be spent today to pay for the bail of 9 Red Shirts being held in Maha Sarakham. They will be set free today after 9,000,000 baht (a million baht per) is transferred. . Edited July 9, 2012 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Cabinet has approved another 68 million baht for the bail of more red shirts. Apparently the bail is so high (between 1 and 3.8 million each) "the detainees had committed serious offences". Yes, the Yingluck Cabinet approved the expenditure yesterday of an additional 68,200,000 baht to bail out more Red Shirts because the 43,800,000 baht the Yingluck Cabinet had approved and allocated just last January to bail out Red Shirts has run out. The taxpayer-funded expense has now totaled over 100 million baht. A big chunk of the newly approved funding will be spent today to pay for the bail of 9 Red Shirts being held in Maha Sarakham. They will be set free today after 9,000,000 baht (a million baht per) is transferred. Ah.. while just perusing to find out what the charges might have been for the nine Red Shirts being released in Maha Sarakham and, coincidentally enough, google leads me back to the OP of this thread. At the Justice Ministry's intervention, bail applications were filed seeking the temporary release for red arsonists, comprising four in Ubon Ratchathani, five in Udon Thani, nine in Maha Sarakham I hope it doesn't effect the price of benzene now what with so many Red Shirt Arsonists being freed. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) Link to Video News from Voice TV on the Pheu Thai Party MP/Justice Minister announcing the bail for the 9 Mara Sarakham Red Shirt Arsonists, as well as footage of their destruction of Provincial Hall by burning and lastly footage of the earlier release of the 13 Red Shirt Arsonists freed jail in Mukdahan, placed there for their burning of that Provincial Hall. http://news.voicetv.co.th/thailand/43573.html . Edited July 9, 2012 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Link to Video News from Voice TV on the Pheu Thai Party MP/Justice Minister announcing the bail for the 9 Mara Sarakham Red Shirt Arsonists, as well as footage of their destruction of Provincial Hall by burning and lastly footage of the earlier release of the 13 Red Shirt Arsonists freed jail in Mukdahan, placed there for their burning of that Provincial Hall. http://news.voicetv....land/43573.html . What is this government telling today's youth? Commit arson in the name of Thaksin and we will get you out Fight with other schools and you could win 100,000B in a singing competition. Be reall bad at school and you can do your military service straigh away. Disgrace!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Link to Video News from Voice TV on the Pheu Thai Party MP/Justice Minister announcing the bail for the 9 Mara Sarakham Red Shirt Arsonists, as well as footage of their destruction of Provincial Hall by burning and lastly footage of the earlier release of the 13 Red Shirt Arsonists freed jail in Mukdahan, placed there for their burning of that Provincial Hall. http://news.voicetv....land/43573.html . What is this government telling today's youth? Commit arson in the name of Thaksin and we will get you out Fight with other schools and you could win 100,000B in a singing competition. Be real bad at school and you can do your military service straight away. Disgrace!!!!!!! Agreed. Another option is send granny off to demonstrate for Thaksin and you might end up with a 7.7 million baht windfall. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Link to Video News from Voice TV on the Pheu Thai Party MP/Justice Minister announcing the bail for the 9 Mara Sarakham Red Shirt Arsonists, as well as footage of their destruction of Provincial Hall by burning and lastly footage of the earlier release of the 13 Red Shirt Arsonists freed jail in Mukdahan, placed there for their burning of that Provincial Hall. http://news.voicetv....land/43573.html . What is this government telling today's youth? Commit arson in the name of Thaksin and we will get you out Fight with other schools and you could win 100,000B in a singing competition. Be real bad at school and you can do your military service straight away. Disgrace!!!!!!! Agreed. Another option is send granny off to demonstrate for Thaksin and you might end up with a 7.7 million baht windfall. . Recycling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Nine red-shirt suspects released on bail Nine red-shirt suspects were Monday freed on bail from the Lak Si temporary prison. Narinpong Jinapak, the president of the Law Society of Thailand, said the nine suspects were charged with torching the Maha Sarakham provincial hall. They were released after posting Bt1 million in cash as bail. The money came from the Justice Ministry. The nine and 13 other suspects, who were released on bail earlier, were led to meet Justice Minister Pracha Promnok to thank him. Pracha gave the suspects Bt3,000 each from his coffer for them to travel home. -- The Nation 2012-07-09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 They were released after posting Bt1 million in cash as bail. The money came from the Justice Ministry. Actually, the 9 million baht came from all taxpayers in Thailand. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Pracha gave the suspects Bt3,000 each from his coffer for them to travel home. Out of his lunch money, which he then probably claimed on his expenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Pracha gave the suspects Bt3,000 each from his coffer for them to travel home. Out of his lunch money, which he then probably claimed on his expenses. and that despite his asset declaration stating... Justice Minister Pracha Promnok has Bt279 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 B3000 to get home. I wonder how much to get back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Pracha Treats Pyromaniacs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuneeTH Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 What a waste of tax payers money, which ironically are mostly contributed by the yellow shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidu Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Thais hate to discipline their own. It starts when their kids are tikes. Thai justice (is that an oxymoron?) is flaccid and highly subjective. The subjectivity, in these recent perversions of justice, is a reflection of the PT Party who sympathize with the Reds. It could be argued that the Red riots partially paved the way for PT members to get in to power. Yingluck and PT instructing taxpayers to pay their bail is a way for PT to say 'thank you.' Actually, it may be T's money which is paying to get arsonists released. It would be easy to channel his money in such a way. After all, he channeled money for the Red riots, so bailing them out is perhaps his way of saying, 'Sorry you got caught. Have a nice day.' Message from PT to the Reds: Thanks for making such a filthy mess in Bangkok and elsewhere. Have a safe trip home, and next time you torch a large building, wear masks, so it's not so easy to get identified. Oh, and make sure you do the arson for our cause, not someone else's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keymaker Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 It looks like posters forgot the part about the appeal. Go back and check your country's laws again about bail... For those wondering why poor people are given support for their bail, please do some research, there are very good reasons wrt justice. I would sincerely agree with your "statement" regarding that exists a law allowing Government pay the bail for convicteds if you linked it to the source of it. Secondly and mostly important, POOR people should be those who are honest and respectful of their own country but NOT those criminals acting as TERRORISTS. We all know who is behind them and you know better than me. Yet your posts are very very funny 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 It looks like posters forgot the part about the appeal. Go back and check your country's laws again about bail... For those wondering why poor people are given support for their bail, please do some research, there are very good reasons wrt justice. I would sincerely agree with your "statement" regarding that exists a law allowing Government pay the bail for convicteds if you linked it to the source of it. Secondly and mostly important, POOR people should be those who are honest and respectful of their own country but NOT those criminals acting as TERRORISTS. We all know who is behind them and you know better than me. Yet your posts are very very funny you have a rather odd perspective. In the OP it states that these people are charged with arson. Maybe they were also charged with terrorism, but that is not mentioned here. More to the point, what has the charge got to do with the bail? The considerations for bail are related to the risk of fleeing and the safety of the society, not to the charge. As for links, there are so many differences among the countries that you should just check for the countries for which you might someday need bail. But most every country recognizes that a possibility of bail even for those without the financial means is necessary to have a fair justice system. The same is true for supporting the legal defense of people without the financial means. The logic behind both is relatively obvious and has been confirmed through experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonableman Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 (edited) Another hilarious post!!! 555555 Where does he get his material? Writer! Writer! LOL Edited July 15, 2012 by Reasonableman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Cabinet has approved another 68 million baht for the bail of more red shirts. Apparently the bail is so high (between 1 and 3.8 million each) "the detainees had committed serious offences". Yes, the Yingluck Cabinet approved the expenditure yesterday of an additional 68,200,000 baht to bail out more Red Shirts because the 43,800,000 baht the Yingluck Cabinet had approved and allocated just last January to bail out Red Shirts has run out. The taxpayer-funded expense has now totaled over 100 million baht. A big chunk of the newly approved funding will be spent today to pay for the bail of 9 Red Shirts being held in Maha Sarakham. They will be set free today after 9,000,000 baht (a million baht per) is transferred. . It doesn't cost the taxpayer, it is like you take 1000 Baht from your left pocket and put it in your right pocket. They just overruled the judges and release them without bail. That the government is paying the government some money is just the trick behind it to mask that the brake the fundamentals of Democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 It looks like posters forgot the part about the appeal. Go back and check your country's laws again about bail... For those wondering why poor people are given support for their bail, please do some research, there are very good reasons wrt justice. I would sincerely agree with your "statement" regarding that exists a law allowing Government pay the bail for convicteds if you linked it to the source of it. Secondly and mostly important, POOR people should be those who are honest and respectful of their own country but NOT those criminals acting as TERRORISTS. We all know who is behind them and you know better than me. Yet your posts are very very funny you have a rather odd perspective. In the OP it states that these people are charged with arson. Maybe they were also charged with terrorism, but that is not mentioned here. More to the point, what has the charge got to do with the bail? The considerations for bail are related to the risk of fleeing and the safety of the society, not to the charge. As for links, there are so many differences among the countries that you should just check for the countries for which you might someday need bail. But most every country recognizes that a possibility of bail even for those without the financial means is necessary to have a fair justice system. The same is true for supporting the legal defense of people without the financial means. The logic behind both is relatively obvious and has been confirmed through experience. "In the OP it states that these people are charged with arson." No, it says these people are CONVICTED of arson. Without valid grounds (and the courts won't accept that working on the orders of the current government as grounds) there is very little chance of their appeal succeeding. So what is their motive to return for extended incarceration except a vague hope of an amnesty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Another off topic bickering session has been removed. Other off topic posts and replies have been removed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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