Slain Thai Nurse's Mum To Talk To ICC Lawyer: The Hague

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POLITICAL VIOLENCE

Slain nurse's mum to talk to ICC lawyer

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The mother of a volunteer paramedic who died at Wat Pathum Wanaram during the political turmoil in 2010 will give a statement to a prosecutor today at the International Criminal Court in The Hague, lawyer Karom Poltaklang said yesterday.

Karom spoke at Suvarnabhumi Airport before Phayao Akkahad - mother of volunteer medic Kamonkade - and her son, departed for The Hague in the Netherlands.

In a complaint filed on January 31 last year, the ICC was asked to investigate the dispersal of the red-shirts' rally on May 19, 2010, said Karom, who is a lawyer for the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship or red shirts.

The case is still being investigated and it was important that the court sees it as systematic wrongdoing that harmed a vast number of people, Karom said. The court has not yet decided whether to proceed with the case.

Karom said he wondered why Pheu Thai MP and red-shirt leader Sunai Chulpongsatorn had said the court had already accepted the case, because it had not. According to process, the court let the prosecutor make an inquiry first.

Karom said he and Phayao would testify how "Thai jurisdiction" made if difficult to convict former deputy premier Suthep Thaugsuban, who was in charge of the dispersal, and then-PM Abhisit Vejjajiva.

Karom said an amnesty in Thailand or a Reconciliation Bill was unlikely to help the complainants. Phayao, meanwhile, said she did not care about the amnesty law. She believed in the international legal process and would fight, as her daughter should not have been killed.

"I'm going there as a victim who had to face the loss. I want to give the information to the prosecutor, as my daughter should not have died at the event. Didn't the Red Cross sign mean anything to the (Thai) state officials? My daughter was a volunteer. She graduated in nursing. I will speak via a translator without a script," she said.

Phayao said she wanted the government to delay its Reconciliation Bill although she did not oppose it; but she did not support an amnesty. "The government must care about people's feelings. The justice process must go on so the cases go to court. Don't just let the people forget it," she said adding that the most important thing, before any amnesty, was that the truth be revealed.

Pheu Thai MP and red-shirt leader Korkaew Pikulthong said red-shirt leaders Weng Tojirakarn and Thida Thawornseth were going with Phayao. Weng, an MP, said he was using his own money for the travel costs, as he was attending as a red-shirt leader.

-- The Nation 2012-06-26

[theblether]

A terribly tragic case, and one of many unjust and unwarranted deaths at that time.

A message is seeping out from The Hague, slowly but surely, to the World, that acts of terror against civilians will be prosecuted. Charles Taylor got 50 years for orchestrating acts of terror.

I'm not qualified to judge what happened that day, but other people are, and the people responsible for giving the shoot orders must be held accountable.

[Moruya]

Unfortunately even more politicising of a terrible death.

[hansgruber]

Just throw some baht at the family and this will go away.

Baht justice.

[Dodobird]

This is an unprecedented act initiated by someone who was victimized during the unrest seeking for justice, and more victims will follow shortly if she succeeded ...

[animatic]

This is politicizing it for sure.

Very sad for the victim and she should never have died,

but this is a political action against the last government,

this is not a finding of fact of who actual commited the act.

With the plaintifs friends as the government now, and more than a year of

investigation in country, how can the ICC prosector have anything more than

the local prosecutors have? This is nothing but trying to sling blame on the Dems

to permanently remove opposition to Thaksin's political aims.

All springing from the Reds/PTP efforts to MAKE this horrible situation come about.

Hypocrisy of the highest order.

If they had accepted Abhisit's offer of early elections,no deaths would have occured,

but that didn't fit the reasons to create the red occupationof Bangkok,

and push it untill the army had no choice but remove them

.

If the ICC sees past the innuendo, they will see who and why this all happened,

and it was not the army or the Dem Gov. that put all this into motion,

and set the stage for this sad and wasteful death.

Edited June 26, 2012 by animatic

[Moruya]

This is politicizing it for sure.

Very sad for the victim and she should never have died,

but this is a political action against the last government,

this is not a finding of fact of who actual commited the act.

With the plaintifs friends as the government now, and more than a year of

investigation in country, how can the ICC prosector have anything more than

the local prosecutors have? This is nothing but trying to sling blame on the Dems

to permanently remove opposition to Thaksin's political aims.

All springing from the Reds/PTP efforts to MAKE this horrible situation come about.

Hypocrisy of the highest order.

If they had accepted Abhisit's offer of early elections,no deaths would have occured,

but that didn't fit the reasons to create the red occupationof Bangkok,

and push it untill the army had no choice but remove them

.

If the ICC sees past the innuendo, they will see who and why this all happened,

and it was not the army or the Dem Gov. that put all this into motion,

and set the stage for this sad and wasteful death.

Coupled with that we have the other side of the coin.

What is being done to prosecute the Somchai Wongsawat (Thaksin's brother in law) governemnt for killing and maiming the PAD supporters? That happened way before the Red Shirt protests and should be ahead in the queue.

[punisher]

This is politicizing it for sure.

Very sad for the victim and she should never have died,

but this is a political action against the last government,

this is not a finding of fact of who actual commited the act.

With the plaintifs friends as the government now, and more than a year of

investigation in country, how can the ICC prosector have anything more than

the local prosecutors have? This is nothing but trying to sling blame on the Dems

to permanently remove opposition to Thaksin's political aims.

All springing from the Reds/PTP efforts to MAKE this horrible situation come about.

Hypocrisy of the highest order.

If they had accepted Abhisit's offer of early elections,no deaths would have occured,

but that didn't fit the reasons to create the red occupationof Bangkok,

and push it untill the army had no choice but remove them

.

If the ICC sees past the innuendo, they will see who and why this all happened,

and it was not the army or the Dem Gov. that put all this into motion,

and set the stage for this sad and wasteful death.

Great thinking,your daughter got killed,u know by who,government and court refuse to work on the case,then u would let it go?Who is Abisit?A guy nominated to be Pm by untouchables and army,half of the country did not like him to be PM,then why they should listen?

[Briggsy]

There seem to have been many "threats" over the last few years from both sides to have international organisations investigate extrajudicial killings, institute extradition proceedings, impose bars and sanctions. However that is all they ever seem to be, "threats" that are never carried through or perhaps even thought through.

Also, Thailand positions itself carefully in terms of foreign relations, always comprising sufficiently so it never makes as powerful an enemy as China, NATO, The Muslim World, etc. By doing this, it dramatically reduces the chance of international intervention of this sort.

This story like many other deaths related to political violence in Thailand will be consigned to the past and the perpetrators of the killing will sleep safe in their beds.

[Yunla]

I hope she has found peace, and my condolences once again to her family.

Who is guilty of causing her and many others' deaths? It is the man who funded and instigated the armed uprising, and ordered his followers to "burn all of Bangkok to the ground". If they had tried to follow his direct orders thousands would have died.

He is in Dubai, and we know he is guilty of all 90+ deaths because he paid for the armed mob to march on Bangkok and he ordered them to "kill the elites" and "burn Bangkok to the ground" and he did so on television and big-screen stage shows, and his redmob leaders gave the speeches including those lines quoted above. How this can not be seen as incitement to mass-murder, is one of the strangest legal mysteries I have ever seen. How he can not be responsible for all deaths caused by his armed attempt at city-wide arson, is a genuine question.

When DEA arrest street-level drug dealers, they are always after the top-man, the place where the money-trail leads and the person who is guilty of organising the drug supply network and hiring the street dealers. Organised violent crime as pushed by Thaksin and the redmob 2010 is no different, the man at the top is guilty of the crimes of the whole network.

How can Thaksin not be entirely guilty of all those 90+ deaths, if he had not funded and ordered the arson and murder group, nobody would have died.

Edited June 26, 2012 by Yunla

[punisher]

There seem to have been many "threats" over the last few years from both sides to have international organisations investigate extrajudicial killings, institute extradition proceedings, impose bars and sanctions. However that is all they ever seem to be, "threats" that are never carried through or perhaps even thought through.

Also, Thailand positions itself carefully in terms of foreign relations, always comprising sufficiently so it never makes as powerful an enemy as China, NATO, The Muslim World, etc. By doing this, it dramatically reduces the chance of international intervention of this sort.

This story like many other deaths related to political violence in Thailand will be consigned to the past and the perpetrators of the killing will sleep safe in their beds.

If she wins her case it would be good for everybody,and it maybe gives a warning to certain people,but on the other hand if she loose her case I fear things will get worse,because it means u can kill people without being procecuted

[whybother]

Great thinking,your daughter got killed,u know by who,government and court refuse to work on the case,then u would let it go?Who is Abisit?A guy nominated to be Pm by untouchables and army,half of the country did not like him to be PM,then why they should listen?

No one knows who killed her. Isn't it the current government that is refusing to work on the case?

Abhisit was the leader of the largest opposition party at the time of his election as PM. He was elected by a majority of MPs.

[Moruya]

This is politicizing it for sure.

Very sad for the victim and she should never have died,

but this is a political action against the last government,

this is not a finding of fact of who actual commited the act.

With the plaintifs friends as the government now, and more than a year of

investigation in country, how can the ICC prosector have anything more than

the local prosecutors have? This is nothing but trying to sling blame on the Dems

to permanently remove opposition to Thaksin's political aims.

All springing from the Reds/PTP efforts to MAKE this horrible situation come about.

Hypocrisy of the highest order.

If they had accepted Abhisit's offer of early elections,no deaths would have occured,

but that didn't fit the reasons to create the red occupationof Bangkok,

and push it untill the army had no choice but remove them

.

If the ICC sees past the innuendo, they will see who and why this all happened,

and it was not the army or the Dem Gov. that put all this into motion,

and set the stage for this sad and wasteful death.

Great thinking,your daughter got killed,u know by who,government and court refuse to work on the case,then u would let it go?Who is Abisit?A guy nominated to be Pm by untouchables and army,half of the country did not like him to be PM,then why they should listen?

Do you have all the facts to prove that? Or is it just hot air?

More than half the votes went against PTP - does that mean they are an illegitimate government?

Of course the mother and family want to find out the truth - so why are the PTP government paying compensation with a clause in it that the Thai government cannot be sued at a later stage? Depending on whether you listen to the mother or the PTP, the agreement was signed.

How do you think the ICC will look at a plaintiff who turns up to court with a lawyer and 2 supporters from the current government? A political case? Government failure?

"Choose your friends carefully. Your enemies will choose you."

[scorecard]

This is politicizing it for sure.

Very sad for the victim and she should never have died,

but this is a political action against the last government,

this is not a finding of fact of who actual commited the act.

With the plaintifs friends as the government now, and more than a year of

investigation in country, how can the ICC prosector have anything more than

the local prosecutors have? This is nothing but trying to sling blame on the Dems

to permanently remove opposition to Thaksin's political aims.

All springing from the Reds/PTP efforts to MAKE this horrible situation come about.

Hypocrisy of the highest order.

If they had accepted Abhisit's offer of early elections,no deaths would have occured,

but that didn't fit the reasons to create the red occupationof Bangkok,

and push it untill the army had no choice but remove them

.

If the ICC sees past the innuendo, they will see who and why this all happened,

and it was not the army or the Dem Gov. that put all this into motion,

and set the stage for this sad and wasteful death.

Great thinking,your daughter got killed,u know by who,government and court refuse to work on the case,then u would let it go?Who is Abisit?A guy nominated to be Pm by untouchables and army,half of the country did not like him to be PM,then why they should listen?

- So you've assumed that abhisit is responsible?

- The laws and process by which abhisit became PM are well established in Thai law and have precedent - this is how somcahi came to sit in the pm seat (all geared by the said laws and process aligned to this situation). But you choose to ignore that and claim it was 'untouchables'.

It has already been said that this is a tragedy and very sad that the young nurse died, I can only guess what it must be like for a mother or father to lose a child, surely it would be at the very least heart wrenching and for a very long time. I offer my condolences.

However I agree, IMHO there are poliical games and manipulation going on here, and those games and manipulation are for the benefit on one man.

[punisher]

I hope she has found peace, and my condolences once again to her family.

Who is guilty of causing her and many others' deaths? It is the man who funded and instigated the armed uprising, and ordered his followers to "burn all of Bangkok to the ground". If they had tried to follow his direct orders thousands would have died.

He is in Dubai, and we know he is guilty of all 90+ deaths because he paid for the armed mob to march on Bangkok and he ordered them to "kill the elites" and "burn Bangkok to the ground" and he did so on television and big-screen stage shows, and his redmob leaders gave the speeches including those lines quoted above. How this can not be seen as incitement to mass-murder, is one of the strangest legal mysteries I have ever seen. How he can not be responsible for all deaths caused by his armed attempt at city-wide arson, is a genuine question.

When DEA arrest street-level drug dealers, they are always after the top-man, the place where the money-trail leads and the person who is guilty of organising the drug supply network and hiring the street dealers. Organised violent crime as pushed by Thaksin and the redmob 2010 is no different, the man at the top is guilty of the whole network. How can Thaksin not be entirely guilty of all those deaths?

This is onesided thinking.There are 3parties who rule the country here,one party can't be procecuted because it's the law,another party is the army,the army coups whenever party number one feels threatened,the army makes mega billions of baht in south and far north,and they not listen to anybody,they just do what they want to do.,party no3 is bkk elite,,bkk elite is not interested at all to change anything,because then they loose their status and loose money,then u hv thaksin,who tried to crack down on those 3 parties not for the countries good but for his own good,anyway not fair to blame thaksin for all. Thailand could move on and would be a great country,if all those selfish parties would shut up and go away,and let new generation of thais rule the country,no more thaksin or abisits no more sutheps or jatuporns

[punisher]

Great thinking,your daughter got killed,u know by who,government and court refuse to work on the case,then u would let it go?Who is Abisit?A guy nominated to be Pm by untouchables and army,half of the country did not like him to be PM,then why they should listen?

No one knows who killed her. Isn't it the current government that is refusing to work on the case?

Abhisit was the leader of the largest opposition party at the time of his election as PM. He was elected by a majority of MPs.

Current government don;t want to work on that case,because they probably still try to convince the democrats to let thaksin come back.A goverment is elected by the people not by MPs,the democrats did not get a majority at elections last 12 yrs i think.If A has the majority of votes Then B can't say "we are the government"if it is like that,then why people should go to elections?

[ThaiOats]

This is politicizing it for sure.

Very sad for the victim and she should never have died,

but this is a political action against the last government,

this is not a finding of fact of who actual commited the act.

With the plaintifs friends as the government now, and more than a year of

investigation in country, how can the ICC prosector have anything more than

the local prosecutors have? This is nothing but trying to sling blame on the Dems

to permanently remove opposition to Thaksin's political aims.

All springing from the Reds/PTP efforts to MAKE this horrible situation come about.

Hypocrisy of the highest order.

If they had accepted Abhisit's offer of early elections,no deaths would have occured,

but that didn't fit the reasons to create the red occupationof Bangkok,

and push it untill the army had no choice but remove them

.

If the ICC sees past the innuendo, they will see who and why this all happened,

and it was not the army or the Dem Gov. that put all this into motion,

and set the stage for this sad and wasteful death.

Great thinking,your daughter got killed,u know by who,government and court refuse to work on the case,then u would let it go?Who is Abisit?A guy nominated to be Pm by untouchables and army,half of the country did not like him to be PM,then why they should listen?

Half the country were brainwashed. How about this... the dam_n stupid government is trying to push a Reconciliation Bill that says "ya know what, forgive the people who shot your daughter so they can erase the dear Leader's" crime. You don't get it do you? It's the very government who doesn't give a shit and is now politicizing the issue as if they're threatening the Democrats to stop opposing the Reconciliation Bill.

[Yunla]

This is onesided thinking.There are 3parties who rule the country here,one party can't be procecuted because it's the law,another party is the army,the army coups whenever party number one feels threatened,the army makes mega billions of baht in south and far north,and they not listen to anybody,they just do what they want to do.,party no3 is bkk elite,,bkk elite is not interested at all to change anything,because then they loose their status and loose money,then u hv thaksin,who tried to crack down on those 3 parties not for the countries good but for his own good,anyway not fair to blame thaksin for all. Thailand could move on and would be a great country,if all those selfish parties would shut up and go away,and let new generation of thais rule the country,no more thaksin or abisits no more sutheps or jatuporns

Its not one-sided, it is just basic logical linear thinking, as is used in criminal cases to determine ultimate guilt. If Thaksin had not funded, instigated and encouraged the mob to burn and kill, they would have stayed at home and nobody would have died. Therefor Thaksin is guilty of all resulting deaths.

Edited June 26, 2012 by Yunla

[chotthee]

She will have no case, as according to Suthep, the dead ran into the bullets.

http://asiancorrespondent.com/49822/thai-deputy-pm-protesters-died-because-they-ran-into-bullets/

[chotthee]

Just throw some baht at the family and this will go away.

Baht justice.

Usually I take this as an insult; but this time around I have to agree.

Because she has already taken the 7 million plus baht cheque compensation a few weeks ago.

That is a whopping 200,000 USA, which is a sum I am sure the poor nurse (and the majority of Thais) could never ever achieve in her lift time.

All I am saying is that she had 2 choice:

- Take the money and shut up

- Don't take the money and fight for justices

Since she has taken the money, why is she screaming in Hague?

Want to have the cake and eat it? I would call he greedy double dipper.

[ThaiOats]

All Abhisit's and Suthep's fault right. There's CLEAR evidence that the Red Shirt leaders incited violence and called for people to arm themselves and burn the city. Nope, no blame on them. People being injured from RPG attacks and crossfire but not one single blame on those Red Shirt eh? Go to hell, greedy lady, keep being a tool.

[animatic]

I hope she has found peace, and my condolences once again to her family.

Who is guilty of causing her and many others' deaths? It is the man who funded and instigated the armed uprising, and ordered his followers to "burn all of Bangkok to the ground". If they had tried to follow his direct orders thousands would have died.

He is in Dubai, and we know he is guilty of all 90+ deaths because he paid for the armed mob to march on Bangkok and he ordered them to "kill the elites" and "burn Bangkok to the ground" and he did so on television and big-screen stage shows, and his redmob leaders gave the speeches including those lines quoted above. How this can not be seen as incitement to mass-murder, is one of the strangest legal mysteries I have ever seen. How he can not be responsible for all deaths caused by his armed attempt at city-wide arson, is a genuine question.

When DEA arrest street-level drug dealers, they are always after the top-man, the place where the money-trail leads and the person who is guilty of organising the drug supply network and hiring the street dealers. Organised violent crime as pushed by Thaksin and the redmob 2010 is no different, the man at the top is guilty of the whole network. How can Thaksin not be entirely guilty of all those deaths?

This is onesided thinking.There are 3parties who rule the country here,one party can't be procecuted because it's the law,another party is the army,the army coups whenever party number one feels threatened,the army makes mega billions of baht in south and far north,and they not listen to anybody,they just do what they want to do.,party no3 is bkk elite,,bkk elite is not interested at all to change anything,because then they loose their status and loose money,then u hv thaksin,who tried to crack down on those 3 parties not for the countries good but for his own good,anyway not fair to blame thaksin for all. Thailand could move on and would be a great country,if all those selfish parties would shut up and go away,and let new generation of thais rule the country,no more thaksin or abisits no more sutheps or jatuporns

And this is the OTHER side thinking.

How about balanced thinking.

[animatic]

Great thinking,your daughter got killed,u know by who,government and court refuse to work on the case,then u would let it go?Who is Abisit?A guy nominated to be Pm by untouchables and army,half of the country did not like him to be PM,then why they should listen?

No one knows who killed her. Isn't it the current government that is refusing to work on the case?

Abhisit was the leader of the largest opposition party at the time of his election as PM. He was elected by a majority of MPs.

Current government don;t want to work on that case,because they probably still try to convince the democrats to let thaksin come back.A goverment is elected by the people not by MPs,the democrats did not get a majority at elections last 12 yrs i think.If A has the majority of votes Then B can't say "we are the government"if it is like that,then why people should go to elections?

A Thailand government (PM who chooses a cabinet) is elected by MP's, who are elected by the people.

Get your facts right.

[punisher]

This is onesided thinking.There are 3parties who rule the country here,one party can't be procecuted because it's the law,another party is the army,the army coups whenever party number one feels threatened,the army makes mega billions of baht in south and far north,and they not listen to anybody,they just do what they want to do.,party no3 is bkk elite,,bkk elite is not interested at all to change anything,because then they loose their status and loose money,then u hv thaksin,who tried to crack down on those 3 parties not for the countries good but for his own good,anyway not fair to blame thaksin for all. Thailand could move on and would be a great country,if all those selfish parties would shut up and go away,and let new generation of thais rule the country,no more thaksin or abisits no more sutheps or jatuporns

Its not one-sided, it is just basic logical linear thinking, as is used in criminal cases to determine ultimate guilt. If Thaksin had not funded, instigated and encouraged the mob to burn and kill, they would have stayed at home and nobody would have died. Therefor Thaksin is guilty of all resulting deaths.

if the army did not kick thaksin out we would never had burning and killing

[Yunla]

if the army did not kick thaksin out we would never had burning and killing

If Thaksin had not been a grand-larcenist and nepotist who gave an estimated 30% of Thai state funds to contracts for his family businesses, and murdered over two thousand five hundred people, the army would not have kicked him out.

Edited June 26, 2012 by Yunla

[punisher]

Great thinking,your daughter got killed,u know by who,government and court refuse to work on the case,then u would let it go?Who is Abisit?A guy nominated to be Pm by untouchables and army,half of the country did not like him to be PM,then why they should listen?

No one knows who killed her. Isn't it the current government that is refusing to work on the case?

Abhisit was the leader of the largest opposition party at the time of his election as PM. He was elected by a majority of MPs.

Current government don;t want to work on that case,because they probably still try to convince the democrats to let thaksin come back.A goverment is elected by the people not by MPs,the democrats did not get a majority at elections last 12 yrs i think.If A has the majority of votes Then B can't say "we are the government"if it is like that,then why people should go to elections?

A Thailand government (PM who chooses a cabinet) is elected by MP's, who are elected by the people.

Get your facts right.

The fact is Abisit was choosen by the army,they kicked out 3 different pms first,then they had enough of free elections,and appointed abisit,correct or not correct?

[phiphidon]

Great thinking,your daughter got killed,u know by who,government and court refuse to work on the case,then u would let it go?Who is Abisit?A guy nominated to be Pm by untouchables and army,half of the country did not like him to be PM,then why they should listen?

No one knows who killed her. Isn't it the current government that is refusing to work on the case?

Abhisit was the leader of the largest opposition party at the time of his election as PM. He was elected by a majority of MPs.

No, the current government is NOT refusing to work on her case. The inquest is ongoing now. Prayuth has called for the testimony of witnesses in court hearings into the deaths of six people at the Wat to be kept secret, according to the other paper. All in the interests of justice of course.

Edited June 26, 2012 by phiphidon

[punisher]

This is onesided thinking.There are 3parties who rule the country here,one party can't be procecuted because it's the law,another party is the army,the army coups whenever party number one feels threatened,the army makes mega billions of baht in south and far north,and they not listen to anybody,they just do what they want to do.,party no3 is bkk elite,,bkk elite is not interested at all to change anything,because then they loose their status and loose money,then u hv thaksin,who tried to crack down on those 3 parties not for the countries good but for his own good,anyway not fair to blame thaksin for all. Thailand could move on and would be a great country,if all those selfish parties would shut up and go away,and let new generation of thais rule the country,no more thaksin or abisits no more sutheps or jatuporns

Its not one-sided, it is just basic logical linear thinking, as is used in criminal cases to determine ultimate guilt. If Thaksin had not funded, instigated and encouraged the mob to burn and kill, they would have stayed at home and nobody would have died. Therefor Thaksin is guilty of all resulting deaths.

if the army did not kick thaksin out we would never had burning and killing

If Thaksin had not been a grand-larcenist and nepotist who gave and estimated 30% of Thai state funds to contracts for his family businesses, and murdered over two thousand five hundred people, the army would not have kicked him out.

well the how about army who make megamuhu money in the south and far north,or how about the other 2 parties?All 3 hv no interest in giving there power away,like I said thailand could move on if all those parties who care only about their power and money would go away,and let thailand have a new start with new government,no red no yellows

[chotthee]

I hope she has found peace, and my condolences once again to her family.

Who is guilty of causing her and many others' deaths? It is the man who funded and instigated the armed uprising, and ordered his followers to "burn all of Bangkok to the ground". If they had tried to follow his direct orders thousands would have died.

He is in Dubai, and we know he is guilty of all 90+ deaths because he paid for the armed mob to march on Bangkok and he ordered them to "kill the elites" and "burn Bangkok to the ground" and he did so on television and big-screen stage shows, and his redmob leaders gave the speeches including those lines quoted above. How this can not be seen as incitement to mass-murder, is one of the strangest legal mysteries I have ever seen. How he can not be responsible for all deaths caused by his armed attempt at city-wide arson, is a genuine question.

When DEA arrest street-level drug dealers, they are always after the top-man, the place where the money-trail leads and the person who is guilty of organising the drug supply network and hiring the street dealers. Organised violent crime as pushed by Thaksin and the redmob 2010 is no different, the man at the top is guilty of the whole network. How can Thaksin not be entirely guilty of all those deaths?

This is onesided thinking.There are 3parties who rule the country here,one party can't be procecuted because it's the law,another party is the army,the army coups whenever party number one feels threatened,the army makes mega billions of baht in south and far north,and they not listen to anybody,they just do what they want to do.,party no3 is bkk elite,,bkk elite is not interested at all to change anything,because then they loose their status and loose money,then u hv thaksin,who tried to crack down on those 3 parties not for the countries good but for his own good,anyway not fair to blame thaksin for all. Thailand could move on and would be a great country,if all those selfish parties would shut up and go away,and let new generation of thais rule the country,no more thaksin or abisits no more sutheps or jatuporns

And this is the OTHER side thinking.

How about balanced thinking.

OK. On the balancing side, it is the (WO)MEN IN BLACK (Thaksin paid guys) who killed her from the rail. These guys (gals) in camouflage by dressing in army clothing, as Army ALREADY confirmed that they have no (wo)men on the BTS.

This is possible right?

[Yunla]

well the how about army who make megamuhu money in the south and far north,or how about the other 2 parties?All 3 hv no interest in giving there power away,like I said thailand could move on if all those parties who care only about their power and money would go away,and let thailand have a new start with new government,no red no yellows

In addition to the "if only" daydreaming that the redmob apologists always engage in as a factory default-setting, what happened in the past is not relevant to 2010.

In 2010 we had a stable government under Abhisit who had instituted policy bills for infrastructure development, helping the rural poor and fighting corruption. The actions of Thaksin in 2010 were against a non-tyrannical regime who were working to improve the lives of the rural poor.

So you must take the context of the uprising. Thaksin funded and encouraged in 2010, arson and murder in the capital city to overthrow a government who had actually created long-term infrastructure improvement projects for poor people. That same government allowed the redmob protests and offered early elections.

Can you please explain how arson and murder speeches by the redmob improved the lives of normal Thais, or were somehow an improvement on the policies of the Abhisit government. It was an entirely unneccesary assault on Bangkok by Thaksin in 2010, Thaksin and his minions could have waited for elections and voted Abhisit out and nobody would have died. Thaksin chose to not wait for elections, or to even accept the early elections offered, he chose murder and arson and I challenge you to say his actions were warranted in 2010.

Edited June 26, 2012 by Yunla