Abhisit Defends Kasit's Appointment

[mrtoad]

At least Kasit had a good track record. O yes, he made a comment once that it was a good thing to occupy the airport. Bad Kasit.

Nathawut on the other hand has no experience and track record, told people to burn down the country and became a Deputy Minister..

What is all the fuss about? They are equally wrong... isn't it?

Don't say that about our wonderful elected terrorists

[whybother]

Are you also suggesting that Kasit speaking at the airport protest cause huge economic damage to the country?

You seem to have difficulty in dealing with the fact that the Yellows caused great economic damage to the country with their occupation of the airport. Deal with it.

Not at all. I just wonder how Kasit caused huge economic damage by speaking at the airport a couple of days after it was taken over by the yellow shirts . Particularly when tragickingdom was suggesting that the red shirt protests did NOT cause huge economic damage.

[mrtoad]

Are you also suggesting that Kasit speaking at the airport protest cause huge economic damage to the country?

You seem to have difficulty in dealing with the fact that the Yellows caused great economic damage to the country with their occupation of the airport. Deal with it.

Not at all. I just wonder how Kasit caused huge economic damage by speaking at the airport a couple of days after it was taken over by the yellow shirts . Particularly when tragickingdom was suggesting that the red shirt protests did NOT cause huge economic damage.

Red tinted glasses, you won't get an answer other than coup, elected, blah, blah, blah

[Arkady]

It was definitely a flaky decision to appoint Kasit to the cabinet and his performance was not exactly distinguished, particularly in terms of relationships with neighbouring countries or his hopeless efforts to track down and extradite Thaksin. But so what? This happened in 2008 and the Democrats are no longer in power.

Edited June 29, 2012 by Arkady

[binjalin]

It was definitely a flaky decision to appoint Kasit to the cabinet and his performance was not exactly distinguished, particularly in terms of relationships with neighbouring countries or his hopeless efforts to track down and extradite Thaksin. But so what? This happened in 2008 and the Democrats are no longer in power.

absolutely and Abhisit doesn't have the leadership ethics just to admit he appointed a man to FM who encouraged law-breaking and he got it wrong

[h90]

It was definitely a flaky decision to appoint Kasit to the cabinet and his performance was not exactly distinguished, particularly in terms of relationships with neighbouring countries or his hopeless efforts to track down and extradite Thaksin. But so what? This happened in 2008 and the Democrats are no longer in power.

He definitely damaged the relations with Germany. And the relations with Russia went down the drain, but that might be more because of Abhisit.

[h90]

It was definitely a flaky decision to appoint Kasit to the cabinet and his performance was not exactly distinguished, particularly in terms of relationships with neighbouring countries or his hopeless efforts to track down and extradite Thaksin. But so what? This happened in 2008 and the Democrats are no longer in power.

absolutely and Abhisit doesn't have the leadership ethics just to admit he appointed a man to FM who encouraged law-breaking and he got it wrong

Kasit looked promising, but I don't understand, why he didn't remove him after his first mistakes?

Bad image: OK if he would outstanding performance but bad image and terrible performance....WHY?

[mca]

Kasit looked promising, but I don't understand, why he didn't remove him after his first mistakes?

Bad image: OK if he would outstanding performance but bad image and terrible performance....WHY?

Because compared to Suthep Thaugsuban he looked like the 14th Dalai Lama.

[geriatrickid]

The poor judgement Mr. Abhisit when he appointed Mr. Kasit is a demonstration of why Mr. Abhisit is not a viable alternative as PM. This is a man that many in TVF present as a paragon of virtue of one that has integrity. His short tenure in office, was characterized by multiple corruption scandals. That's the reality. Although the current government is open to multiple criticisms, to date, there have been no major corruptuion scandals reported. If only the Democrats could get their act together and embrace transparency, honesty and good governance (sort of like what Mr. Abhisit was preaching in Penang) they would be running the show. Thailand needs someone to step up and give the nation a large enema that will clear the blockage once and for all.

[mrtoad]

The poor judgement Mr. Abhisit when he appointed Mr. Kasit is a demonstration of why Mr. Abhisit is not a viable alternative as PM. This is a man that many in TVF present as a paragon of virtue of one that has integrity. His short tenure in office, was characterized by multiple corruption scandals. That's the reality. Although the current government is open to multiple criticisms, to date, there have been no major corruptuion scandals reported. If only the Democrats could get their act together and embrace transparency, honesty and good governance (sort of like what Mr. Abhisit was preaching in Penang) they would be running the show. Thailand needs someone to step up and give the nation a large enema that will clear the blockage once and for all.

Not really GK, both are as bad as each other. Thai politics needs a good clean out, including Dem and Praise Thaksin Party. Until these parasites are cleaned out we will still be discussing this 5 years down the line. It's a sad picture of Thai politics

[h90]

Kasit looked promising, but I don't understand, why he didn't remove him after his first mistakes?

Bad image: OK if he would outstanding performance but bad image and terrible performance....WHY?

Because compared to Suthep Thaugsuban he looked like the 14th Dalai Lama.

more the other way around....with all the crimes of the Dalai Lama....

I understand that Abhisit could not get rid of Suthep.....but he could have kicked out Kasit and put someone more reasonable (I think Suthep has a brother )

[nurofiend]

Are you also suggesting that Kasit speaking at the airport protest cause huge economic damage to the country?

You seem to have difficulty in dealing with the fact that the Yellows caused great economic damage to the country with their occupation of the airport. Deal with it.

Is there a link to the statistics?

are you on the internet?

well then you can find it.

[hellodolly]

Whether he had been charged or not, abhsist must have know he would be charged at some point and must have known how open to criticism he was leaving himself for appointing this guy that revelled in the closure of an international airport and must have know how it would look to outsiders. That is even without thinking about how he called the PM of a neighbouring country a gangster yet he is made foreign minister.

yeah what a fine statesman Abhisit really was/is

Well I have to agree that the Kasit appointment did not sit well with me. That's one of the things I disliked about Abhist.

Fortunately for Thailand my likes and dislikes don't count Abhist was still the best man for the job. Even today with his faults he is still the best person for the job. But that was not what the voters were looking for so naturally they got less.

How can any one in control of there senses equate the posting of Kasit a man under no charges for treason to the posting of Nathawutm a man accused of crimes against Thailand a man who on video urged the red shirts to loot and burn Bangkok down.

Common sense tells me Jutporn (sorry about the spelling moderator please correct.) will go to Jail. The PT actions tell me he will be given a seat in the cabinet.

Yes Amazing Thailand is no longer, it is now truly Miracle Thailand. A women with no political experience PM taking orders on how to run the country from a man who has gone into exile rather than pay for the crime he was charged and convicted for. The real kicker is it was a crime against every Thai citizen.

[hellodolly]

Whether he had been charged or not, abhsist must have know he would be charged at some point and must have known how open to criticism he was leaving himself for appointing this guy that revelled in the closure of an international airport and must have know how it would look to outsiders. That is even without thinking about how he called the PM of a neighbouring country a gangster yet he is made foreign minister.

yeah what a fine statesman Abhisit really was/is

Are you for real?

There are more gansters in this regime than Chicago had in the '30s!!!!

I never said there wasn't did I?

This thread is about abhsit and his appointment of kasit, who lets not forget was not even an MP when her was granted this position.

If you want to discuss the PTP I am sure there is a thread for that, and remember it is a childish argument 'well he did it' or 'what about them', its a juvenile argument and pointless.

Maybe you might want to read the article before you come charging in on your white horse with lance and shield prepared to right all wrongs.

Natthawut was brought up in the article making him fair game.

[hellodolly]

There is one big difference between nathawut and Kasit. Nathawut did not cause huge economic damage to the country Kasit did. Abhisit could have asks Kasit to step down days after he was appointed and found out that he is accused of economic terrorism by Abhisit's own henchmen. He did not. There is after all one set of rules and behavior for the democrats party and one for all others. That is why the DP can be beaten in each and every election and still propelled to power by crooked courts, though exposed on youtube can still stay on.

Please don't try to tell me you believe that the red shirts didn't cause huge financial damage to Thailand please say it isn't so.

Shutting down business burning buildings down slowing the flow of tourism. And that dosen't even take into account the damage to Thailand's reputation. People will forget about a violence free closure of a airport long before they will forget about armed terrorists in the heart of Bangkok killing soldiers and crying because the soldiers wouldn't just stand there and die smiling. They had the audacity to fire back and in a very limited amount. If they had really let loose the death toll would have been in the thousands.

That is a reputation that will cost Thailand money for years to come. Yes the tourism is up but not to where it would have been if the red shirts had acted like protestors not armed terrorists. Come to think of it I don't believe I have ever heard of any terrorist group other than the red shirts invading a hospital

Please please tell me you don't believe that.

Edited June 29, 2012 by hellodolly

[hellodolly]

The poor judgement Mr. Abhisit when he appointed Mr. Kasit is a demonstration of why Mr. Abhisit is not a viable alternative as PM. This is a man that many in TVF present as a paragon of virtue of one that has integrity. His short tenure in office, was characterized by multiple corruption scandals. That's the reality. Although the current government is open to multiple criticisms, to date, there have been no major corruptuion scandals reported. If only the Democrats could get their act together and embrace transparency, honesty and good governance (sort of like what Mr. Abhisit was preaching in Penang) they would be running the show.

Not really GK, both are as bad as each other. Thai politics needs a good clean out, including Dem and Praise Thaksin Party. Until these parasites are cleaned out we will still be discussing this 5 years down the line. It's a sad picture of Thai politics

I am not suggesting any thing here. Just stating a fact GK says

"Thailand needs someone to step up and give the nation a large enema that will clear the blockage once and for all."

In fact a large heart attack or other natural occurrence or a accident in Dubai would do the job.

That of course would leave Thailand rudderless and the ensuing political infighting would make the airport closure and red shirt terrorism look like a picnic.

Edited June 29, 2012 by hellodolly

[whybother]

are you on the internet?

well then you can find it.

Ah, the defence that shall be known as "The Tlandsford Feint"

or the "expecting people to be able to find easily accessible information on the internet themselves" defence

not as catchy, but more valid.

That would fine if it was "easily accessible information on the internet". Since no one seems to be able to find reference to it, I think "the Tlansford feint" is more appropriate.

Sent from my shoe phone

[mca]

Kasit looked promising, but I don't understand, why he didn't remove him after his first mistakes?

Bad image: OK if he would outstanding performance but bad image and terrible performance....WHY?

Because compared to Suthep Thaugsuban he looked like the 14th Dalai Lama.

more the other way around....with all the crimes of the Dalai Lama....

I understand that Abhisit could not get rid of Suthep.....but he could have kicked out Kasit and put someone more reasonable (I think Suthep has a brother )

Well he's certainly got a son who's squeaky cle........hang on minute. Scrub that idea.

[binjalin]

It was definitely a flaky decision to appoint Kasit to the cabinet and his performance was not exactly distinguished, particularly in terms of relationships with neighbouring countries or his hopeless efforts to track down and extradite Thaksin. But so what? This happened in 2008 and the Democrats are no longer in power.

absolutely and Abhisit doesn't have the leadership ethics just to admit he appointed a man to FM who encouraged law-breaking and he got it wrong

Kasit looked promising, but I don't understand, why he didn't remove him after his first mistakes?

Bad image: OK if he would outstanding performance but bad image and terrible performance....WHY?

weak leadership

[Moruya]

Are you also suggesting that Kasit speaking at the airport protest cause huge economic damage to the country?

You seem to have difficulty in dealing with the fact that the Yellows caused great economic damage to the country with their occupation of the airport. Deal with it.

Is there a link to the statistics?

are you on the internet?

well then you can find it.

Am I on the internet?

What kind of dumb-ass question is that?

[FarangTalk]

Maybe not Abhisit's finest move, but at least Kasit had the credentials for the job:

• 3rd Secretary, Ministry of Foreign Affairs (1968)

• 3rd Secretary, News Analysis Division, Dept. of Information (1969)

• 3rd Secretary, SEATO Division, Dept. of International Organizations (1972)

• 3rd & 2nd Secr., Thai Embassy & European Union Mission, Brussels (1975)

• 2nd Secretary, International Economic Affairs Div., (1979)

• 1st Secretary, Office of the Director-General, Economic Affairs Dept. (1979)

• Director, Commerce and Industry Div., ASEAN Dept. (1981)

• Director, Economic Information Div., Dept. of Economic Affairs (1983)

• Director, Policy and Planning Div., Office of the Permanent Secretary (1984)

• Deputy Director-General, Dept. of Economic Affairs (1985)

• Ambassador Attached to the Ministry (European Affairs) (1988)

• Director-General, Dept. of International Organizations (1988)

• Ambassador of Thailand to:

– Soviet Union and Mongolia (1991)

– Russian Federation and Mongolia (1992-1993)

– Indonesia and Papua New Guinea (1994-6)

– Germany (1997-2001)

• Ambassador attached to Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and seconded to the Prime Minister Secretariat Office (2001)

• Adviser to Deputy PM and Commerce Minister Somkid Jatusripitak, and Banthoon Lamsam (Kasikorn Thai Bank)

• Ambassador of Thailand to Japan (2001)

• Ambassador of Thailand to the United States (2004-5)

• Adviser to the Senate Committee (2006)

• Democrat Party-List Candidate (2006)

• Adviser to the Democrat Party and PAD Movement (2006-2008)

• Democrat Shadow Deputy Prime Minister (2008)

Wow. With all those credentials, how was he so incredibly useless as Foreign Minister?

[FarangTalk]

The poor judgement Mr. Abhisit when he appointed Mr. Kasit is a demonstration of why Mr. Abhisit is not a viable alternative as PM. This is a man that many in TVF present as a paragon of virtue of one that has integrity. His short tenure in office, was characterized by multiple corruption scandals. That's the reality. Although the current government is open to multiple criticisms, to date, there have been no major corruptuion scandals reported. If only the Democrats could get their act together and embrace transparency, honesty and good governance (sort of like what Mr. Abhisit was preaching in Penang) they would be running the show. Thailand needs someone to step up and give the nation a large enema that will clear the blockage once and for all.

Not really GK, both are as bad as each other. Thai politics needs a good clean out, including Dem and Praise Thaksin Party. Until these parasites are cleaned out we will still be discussing this 5 years down the line. It's a sad picture of Thai politics

You can't change the culture of this country.

[Yunla]

Frankly speaking, is there anyone here who still believes a single word coming out of Mark's mouth ?

I think, of the two options on the table today, Abhisit or Yingluck, Abhisit is the best option by around 1000%. And I believe him. No reason not to anyway.

Edited June 30, 2012 by Yunla

[waza]

Whether he had been charged or not, abhsist must have know he would be charged at some point and must have known how open to criticism he was leaving himself for appointing this guy that revelled in the closure of an international airport and must have know how it would look to outsiders. That is even without thinking about how he called the PM of a neighbouring country a gangster yet he is made foreign minister.

yeah what a fine statesman Abhisit really was/is

OMB the redmist hang em high brigade is out and vocal. He wasnt charged with any offences at the time, period.

Whether he had been charged or not, abhsist Yingluck must have know he would be was charged at some point and must have known how open to criticism he she was leaving himself herself for appointing this guy that revelled in the closure of an international airport violent rioting and arson and must have know how it would look to outsiders......... yeah what a fine statesman Abhisit Yingluck really was/is.

[waza]

Frankly speaking, is there anyone here who still believes a single word coming out of Mark's mouth ?

Yes millions of Thai voters.

[h90]

Frankly speaking, is there anyone here who still believes a single word coming out of Mark's mouth ?

I think, of the two options on the table today, Abhisit or Yingluck, Abhisit is the best option by around 1000%. And I believe him. No reason not to anyway.

He could have done better as PM, but in compare with Thaksin and Yingluck he is not 1000, but 10000% better.

[Skywalker69]

Whether he had been charged or not, abhsist must have know he would be charged at some point and must have known how open to criticism he was leaving himself for appointing this guy that revelled in the closure of an international airport and must have know how it would look to outsiders. That is even without thinking about how he called the PM of a neighbouring country a gangster yet he is made foreign minister.

yeah what a fine statesman Abhisit really was/is

Are you for real?

There are more gansters in this regime than Chicago had in the '30s!!!!

I never said there wasn't did I?

This thread is about abhsit and his appointment of kasit, who lets not forget was not even an MP when her was granted this position.

If you want to discuss the PTP I am sure there is a thread for that, and remember it is a childish argument 'well he did it' or 'what about them', its a juvenile argument and pointless.

Yes but when the subject is about Thaksin or Yingluck you TV. PTP Red Shirt supporters are quick to puch the "button" But Abhisit.......

[nurofiend]

are you on the internet?

well then you can find it.

Am I on the internet?

What kind of dumb-ass question is that?

a rhetorical one.

Edited June 30, 2012 by nurofiend

[nurofiend]

are you on the internet?

well then you can find it.

Ah, the defence that shall be known as "The Tlandsford Feint"

or the "expecting people to be able to find easily accessible information on the internet themselves" defence

not as catchy, but more valid.

That would fine if it was "easily accessible information on the internet". Since no one seems to be able to find reference to it, I think "the Tlansford feint" is more appropriate.

Sent from my shoe phone

it's on the wikipedia page for god sake

"The PAD seizure of Don Muang and Suvarnabhumi Airports is estimated to have cost the Thai economy at least three billion Baht (approximately US$100 million) a day in lost shipment value and opportunities"

sourced from the other paper.

[whybother]

That would fine if it was "easily accessible information on the internet". Since no one seems to be able to find reference to it, I think "the Tlansford feint" is more appropriate.

Sent from my shoe phone

it's on the wikipedia page for god sake

"The PAD seizure of Don Muang and Suvarnabhumi Airports is estimated to have cost the Thai economy at least three billion Baht (approximately US$100 million) a day in lost shipment value and opportunities"

sourced from the other paper.

See. That wasn't so hard, was it? Tom seems to have a problem providing a source for his statements, hence the "the tlansford feint".

Sent from my shoe phone