animatic Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) Wouldn't it necessitate a finding of the hyped "Guilty" to be from a court of law instead of a panel from Pheu Thai Party MP Sukumpol? . It's on the same level as the Assets Examination Committee charges against Thaksin, they mean some political appointees think they found something. But it isn't guilty it is only a charge they believe is varifiable. He is guilty when this charge goes before a court of law and then he is actually found guilty. Oh and THAT is the difference between Thaksins conviction and and Abhisit being charged by a committee. Thaksins has gone the full legal route and yet he tries to go back to square one and say the rest doesn't matter. and here his defenders are saying that same level of NON-CONVICTION is tantamount to "guilty as charged" This wingnnuts don't understand the legal process and don't care it is about political points nothing more. And maybe this document is inaccurate, but there is nothing that says he knew it was and has said anything since then except in good faith. They must PROVE he knew it was fake, and then said it wasn't. What did he know and when did he know it. And then what of the vaunted Statute Of Limitations for 20 years old botched paperwork. You can steal from monks in the 90's and build a golf course, OK will let it slide it's too old, but put a bad date on papers in the 80's and it's a capital case. Political hypocrisy and much ado about very, very little. Edited November 8, 2012 by animatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickymaster Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) Wouldn't it necessitate a finding of the hyped "Guilty" to be from a court of law instead of a panel from Pheu Thai Party MP Sukumpol? . In a normal world yes. But it seems that most Thaksin supporters give more credibility to a judgment from their own PT clan then from a court. But we knew that already. The usual leap of logic that acknowledging any flaw on the part of the Democrat party is a show of support for Thaksin. Does every topic have to be a platform for you to vent about Thaksin? Did he force Mark to lie? Read the topic and stay on it... Still interesting because I can't find anything in the topic that relates to your story. A gentle reminder: Jatuporn Sticks By His Allegations Against Abhisit (concerning his time in the army). For those that struggle to understand the term, a perfect example of rank hypocrisy! Hi mister cut and paste. I was commenting on a SMS story OZEMADE is talking about that has nothing to do with the topic. What is your problem? Edited November 8, 2012 by Nickymaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Err quite, so by the same token anyone that accepts the land case against Thaksin as justice but sees this as a politically motivated decision must also be a one-eyed hypocrite?! You've got to love the complete hypocrisy vented on this forum, talk about foot to mouth logic... Abhisit hasn't been found guilty by a court of law. A decision has been made on the matter of his conscription by a committee, set up by the government. Suspicions about the committee and their motivations aside, my own feeling is that Abhisit probably was guilty of some form of dodging, as if you have lived in Thailand any amount of time, you would know this is common practice. The rightful thing to happen would be for an independent committee make a ruling on him - not a committee hand selected by the government - and then, in the interests of avoiding that age-old bug bear of the red shirts, double standards, the committee should trawl through the papers of all MPs and politicians and make sure they have all fulfilled their conscription duties, because i'd put my mortgage on a large percentage, including some of those who have been pushing this case against Abhisit, also having similar "issues". And with regards your friend Thaksin, he was found guilty by a court of law, and at a time when his own party was in power. He tried bribing the courts and when that failed and he was found guilty, he declined to appeal and has never pursued any of the legal channels that he could to try and clear his name. Instead he continues to push for a whitewash. i don't think innocent people need whitewashes. He should be calling for a retrial, not that he necessarily deserves one, especially with his history of bribing, but that is surely what an innocent man would be doing. He never has. So rather a case of apples and oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) Abhisit hasn't been found guilty by a court of law. A decision has been made on the matter of his conscription by a committee, set up by the government. So rather a case of apples and oranges. Apples and train cars. Even the Pheu Thai Party MP panel didn't use the hyped "Guilty". It doesn't appear anywhere in the referenced article. That term, bolded and over-sized as it is, was Oze-made up. . Edited November 8, 2012 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferangled Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Err quite, so by the same token anyone that accepts the land case against Thaksin as justice but sees this as a politically motivated decision must also be a one-eyed hypocrite?! You've got to love the complete hypocrisy vented on this forum, talk about foot to mouth logic... Abhisit hasn't been found guilty by a court of law. A decision has been made on the matter of his conscription by a committee, set up by the government. Suspicions about the committee and their motivations aside, my own feeling is that Abhisit probably was guilty of some form of dodging, as if you have lived in Thailand any amount of time, you would know this is common practice. The rightful thing to happen would be for an independent committee make a ruling on him - not a committee hand selected by the government - and then, in the interests of avoiding that age-old bug bear of the red shirts, double standards, the committee should trawl through the papers of all MPs and politicians and make sure they have all fulfilled their conscription duties, because i'd put my mortgage on a large percentage, including some of those who have been pushing this case against Abhisit, also having similar "issues". And with regards your friend Thaksin, he was found guilty by a court of law, and at a time when his own party was in power. He tried bribing the courts and when that failed and he was found guilty, he declined to appeal and has never pursued any of the legal channels that he could to try and clear his name. Instead he continues to push for a whitewash. i don't think innocent people need whitewashes. He should be calling for a retrial, not that he necessarily deserves one, especially with his history of bribing, but that is surely what an innocent man would be doing. He never has. So rather a case of apples and oranges. You miss the rather obvious fact that I haven't ever stated that Mark has been convicted by a court of law. The rest of your post seems to just be the usual dribble turning this into yet another Thaksin thread; it isn't please read the topic! Nicky please apply your calls of with a modicum less hypocrisy, here would be a good start! Please stop with the overly simplistic tendency to label people as Reds/ Yellows, friends of Thaksin, Thaksin apologists etc etc The reality is I am/ have done nothing of the sort. Please stick to the facts, reference what I have actually written and save the speculations for your investments. If you really need to vent about Thaksin I'm sure you could find any one of 100 threads all about him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZEMADE Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 GUILTY I just read in that other paper, that a panel set up to investigate the Democratic Leader Abhisit Vejjajiva. Into the allegation of falsifying documents to make him exempt from military conscription, have found him guilty and stripped him of his rank and he is to pay back the salary that was paid to him. He Abhisit was given 2 weeks to supply information or make a statement to the committee to clear up the allegation, but he did neither. I wonder what his backers on TVF think now. What a great outcome. The leader of the Democrats GUILTY he is a liar a cheat and is corrupt. Not much different to what a lot said on here about Thaksin. Now watch things heat up, not only on here but in Politics and the media. A committee set up by PT found Abhisit guilty of something he did 20 (or so) years ago? That's it? Anything else Abhisit did wrong? Did PT find more on Abhisit during the 15 month they are in office? "Not much different to what a lot said on here about Thaksin" Correct, not much different from what Thaksin did (is doing). You asked if there was anything else Abhisit did wrong? Did PT find more on Abhisit during the 15 month they are in office. No they did nopt find it I did, just for you. Here it is again. Abhisit's first act as Prime Minister was to send SMS texts to tens of millions of Thai mobile phone users. The message, signed "Your PM," asked people to help him solve the country's crisis. Interested phone users were asked to send back their postal codes, at a cost of three baht. Abhisit was criticized for violating privacy regulations in the mass SMS. The National Telecommunication Commission says that mobile phone service providers may not exploit client information, including phone numbers, without their consent. However, it did not seek actions against Abhisit. http://www.google.co...NMMa0rmj0xVqBTQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Err quite, so by the same token anyone that accepts the land case against Thaksin as justice but sees this as a politically motivated decision must also be a one-eyed hypocrite?! You've got to love the complete hypocrisy vented on this forum, talk about foot to mouth logic... Abhisit hasn't been found guilty by a court of law. A decision has been made on the matter of his conscription by a committee, set up by the government. Suspicions about the committee and their motivations aside, my own feeling is that Abhisit probably was guilty of some form of dodging, as if you have lived in Thailand any amount of time, you would know this is common practice. The rightful thing to happen would be for an independent committee make a ruling on him - not a committee hand selected by the government - and then, in the interests of avoiding that age-old bug bear of the red shirts, double standards, the committee should trawl through the papers of all MPs and politicians and make sure they have all fulfilled their conscription duties, because i'd put my mortgage on a large percentage, including some of those who have been pushing this case against Abhisit, also having similar "issues". And with regards your friend Thaksin, he was found guilty by a court of law, and at a time when his own party was in power. He tried bribing the courts and when that failed and he was found guilty, he declined to appeal and has never pursued any of the legal channels that he could to try and clear his name. Instead he continues to push for a whitewash. i don't think innocent people need whitewashes. He should be calling for a retrial, not that he necessarily deserves one, especially with his history of bribing, but that is surely what an innocent man would be doing. He never has. So rather a case of apples and oranges. You miss the rather obvious fact that I haven't ever stated that Mark has been convicted by a court of law. You were talking about the hypocrisy as you see it of people who accept the case against Thaksin as just, but who do not see this case against Abhisit also as just. In doing so you were making an erroneous and misleading comparison, because one was a case in a court of law, and the other was a case in a committee meeting. I was just pointing that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickymaster Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 GUILTY I just read in that other paper, that a panel set up to investigate the Democratic Leader Abhisit Vejjajiva. Into the allegation of falsifying documents to make him exempt from military conscription, have found him guilty and stripped him of his rank and he is to pay back the salary that was paid to him. He Abhisit was given 2 weeks to supply information or make a statement to the committee to clear up the allegation, but he did neither. I wonder what his backers on TVF think now. What a great outcome. The leader of the Democrats GUILTY he is a liar a cheat and is corrupt. Not much different to what a lot said on here about Thaksin. Now watch things heat up, not only on here but in Politics and the media. A committee set up by PT found Abhisit guilty of something he did 20 (or so) years ago? That's it? Anything else Abhisit did wrong? Did PT find more on Abhisit during the 15 month they are in office? "Not much different to what a lot said on here about Thaksin" Correct, not much different from what Thaksin did (is doing). You asked if there was anything else Abhisit did wrong? Did PT find more on Abhisit during the 15 month they are in office. No they did nopt find it I did, just for you. Here it is again. Abhisit's first act as Prime Minister was to send SMS texts to tens of millions of Thai mobile phone users. The message, signed "Your PM," asked people to help him solve the country's crisis. Interested phone users were asked to send back their postal codes, at a cost of three baht. Abhisit was criticized for violating privacy regulations in the mass SMS. The National Telecommunication Commission says that mobile phone service providers may not exploit client information, including phone numbers, without their consent. However, it did not seek actions against Abhisit. http://www.google.co...NMMa0rmj0xVqBTQ Haha, that took you an hour? Ferangled already came to the rescue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferangled Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Err quite, so by the same token anyone that accepts the land case against Thaksin as justice but sees this as a politically motivated decision must also be a one-eyed hypocrite?! You've got to love the complete hypocrisy vented on this forum, talk about foot to mouth logic... Abhisit hasn't been found guilty by a court of law. A decision has been made on the matter of his conscription by a committee, set up by the government. Suspicions about the committee and their motivations aside, my own feeling is that Abhisit probably was guilty of some form of dodging, as if you have lived in Thailand any amount of time, you would know this is common practice. The rightful thing to happen would be for an independent committee make a ruling on him - not a committee hand selected by the government - and then, in the interests of avoiding that age-old bug bear of the red shirts, double standards, the committee should trawl through the papers of all MPs and politicians and make sure they have all fulfilled their conscription duties, because i'd put my mortgage on a large percentage, including some of those who have been pushing this case against Abhisit, also having similar "issues". And with regards your friend Thaksin, he was found guilty by a court of law, and at a time when his own party was in power. He tried bribing the courts and when that failed and he was found guilty, he declined to appeal and has never pursued any of the legal channels that he could to try and clear his name. Instead he continues to push for a whitewash. i don't think innocent people need whitewashes. He should be calling for a retrial, not that he necessarily deserves one, especially with his history of bribing, but that is surely what an innocent man would be doing. He never has. So rather a case of apples and oranges. You miss the rather obvious fact that I haven't ever stated that Mark has been convicted by a court of law. You were talking about the hypocrisy as you see it of people who accept the case against Thaksin as just, but who do not see this case against Abhisit also as just. In doing so you were making an erroneous and misleading comparison, because one was a case in a court of law, and the other was a case in a committee meeting. I was just pointing that out. No actually I wasn't. I was commenting on a post made that suggested the exact reverse in a very hypocritical fashion. You might have noticed that I actually posed the post as a question back to OzMick, that is if your political fervour hadn't blinded you into a hasty response... The vultures are descending!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZEMADE Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 GUILTY I just read in that other paper, that a panel set up to investigate the Democratic Leader Abhisit Vejjajiva. Into the allegation of falsifying documents to make him exempt from military conscription, have found him guilty and stripped him of his rank and he is to pay back the salary that was paid to him. He Abhisit was given 2 weeks to supply information or make a statement to the committee to clear up the allegation, but he did neither. I wonder what his backers on TVF think now. What a great outcome. The leader of the Democrats GUILTY he is a liar a cheat and is corrupt. Not much different to what a lot said on here about Thaksin. Now watch things heat up, not only on here but in Politics and the media. A committee set up by PT found Abhisit guilty of something he did 20 (or so) years ago? That's it? Anything else Abhisit did wrong? Did PT find more on Abhisit during the 15 month they are in office? "Not much different to what a lot said on here about Thaksin" Correct, not much different from what Thaksin did (is doing). You asked if there was anything else Abhisit did wrong? Did PT find more on Abhisit during the 15 month they are in office. No they did nopt find it I did, just for you. Here it is again. Abhisit's first act as Prime Minister was to send SMS texts to tens of millions of Thai mobile phone users. The message, signed "Your PM," asked people to help him solve the country's crisis. Interested phone users were asked to send back their postal codes, at a cost of three baht. Abhisit was criticized for violating privacy regulations in the mass SMS. The National Telecommunication Commission says that mobile phone service providers may not exploit client information, including phone numbers, without their consent. However, it did not seek actions against Abhisit. http://www.google.co...NMMa0rmj0xVqBTQ Haha, that took you an hour? Ferangled already came to the rescue. Well I am in OZ and having dinner, I came back and checked it out and replied. I dont sit on it Comp all night. And I see where Ferangled did come to my rescue, and I thank him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) A committee set up by PT found Abhisit guilty of something he did 20 (or so) years ago? That's it? Anything else Abhisit did wrong? Did PT find more on Abhisit during the 15 month they are in office? "Not much different to what a lot said on here about Thaksin" Correct, not much different from what Thaksin did (is doing). You asked if there was anything else Abhisit did wrong? Did PT find more on Abhisit during the 15 month they are in office. No they did nopt find it I did, just for you. Here it is again. Abhisit's first act as Prime Minister was to send SMS texts to tens of millions of Thai mobile phone users. http://www.google.co...NMMa0rmj0xVqBTQ What was the final ruling by the NACC in the case? and no, it was not "Not Guilty!".... (as it's not a court of law) . Edited November 8, 2012 by Buchholz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 A post containing copy and paste content from Bangkok Post has been removed as per forum rule 31: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?app=forums&module=extras§ion=boardrules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Apples and train cars. Even the Pheu Thai Party MP panel didn't use the hyped "Guilty". It doesn't appear anywhere in the referenced article. That term was Oze-made up. . Neither did I Buchholz but don't let that stop you, spin on... Thaksin, Thaksin, Thaksin!!! Your quote was removed from my post and I never said Thaksin once, but you said it three times. Ease up. . Yes it did but you have just deceitfully edited it out. Amazing ability to edit posts that have already been quoted... I can't do that myself, anyone else? Job in TV admin perhaps?! "deceitful" hahahahaha... my edit was done before your reply above. The forum software edits quotes of edits for me, you, and all 149,650 Thaivisa members the same way. Suggest you slow down and ease up. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Please stop with the overly simplistic tendency to label people as Reds/ Yellows, friends of Thaksin, Thaksin apologists etc etc The reality is I am/ have done nothing of the sort. Please stick to the facts, reference what I have actually written and save the speculations for your investments. I haven't speculated about you. Simply judged you on the tone of the vast majority of your posts - as goes for us all. 900 odd posts speak much louder than any one sentence denial or claim. Personally speaking, if someone accused me of being a red or a yellow, or anything else that i am not, and that person had come to their opinion of me having read all my posts, i don't think i would bother wasting my time trying to persuade them otherwise. I would accept that either i had done a bad job expressing myself and getting my position across, or the person accusing me was being disingenuous and purposefully misrepresenting my view.... either way, no point really arguing about it. Believe in yourself and let people think what they want to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 No actually I wasn't. I was commenting on a post made that suggested the exact reverse in a very hypocritical fashion. You might have noticed that I actually posed the post as a question back to OzMick, that is if your political fervour hadn't blinded you into a hasty response... The vultures are descending!!! This was a question? Seemed rhetorical and sarcastic to me. As for posting the question back to OzMick, this is a public forum. If you only wish you one person to respond, use the PM function. Err quite, so by the same token anyone that accepts the land case against Thaksin as justice but sees this as a politically motivated decision must also be a one-eyed hypocrite?! You've got to love the complete hypocrisy vented on this forum, talk about foot to mouth logic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurofiend Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 The vultures are descending!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Jatuporn...ermmm...small credibility problem? Get serious guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurofiend Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) GUILTY I just read in that other paper, that a panel set up to investigate the Democratic Leader Abhisit Vejjajiva. Into the allegation of falsifying documents to make him exempt from military conscription, have found him guilty and stripped him of his rank and he is to pay back the salary that was paid to him. He Abhisit was given 2 weeks to supply information or make a statement to the committee to clear up the allegation, but he did neither. I wonder what his backers on TVF think now. What a great outcome. The leader of the Democrats GUILTY he is a liar a cheat and is corrupt. Not much different to what a lot said on here about Thaksin. Now watch things heat up, not only on here but in Politics and the media. Did not see this in the Nation News abhisit could kick someone in the back and people here will tell you he was just giving a massage. oh, was it not in the nation? must have flew under their radar i suppose. better to wait until there is a new thread about it on here ....otherwise you might incur the soul destroying "but abhisit" insult, and that cuts man, that cuts deep. oh, this is a thread about abhisit.... better give it a read back over then, see if there was any "but thaksin" Edited November 8, 2012 by nurofiend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 GUILTY I just read in that other paper, that a panel set up to investigate the Democratic Leader Abhisit Vejjajiva. Into the allegation of falsifying documents to make him exempt from military conscription, have found him guilty and stripped him of his rank and he is to pay back the salary that was paid to him. He Abhisit was given 2 weeks to supply information or make a statement to the committee to clear up the allegation, but he did neither. I wonder what his backers on TVF think now. What a great outcome. The leader of the Democrats GUILTY he is a liar a cheat and is corrupt. Not much different to what a lot said on here about Thaksin. Now watch things heat up, not only on here but in Politics and the media. Did not see this in the Nation News abhisit could kick someone in the back and people here will tell you he was just giving a massage. oh, was it not in the nation? must have flew under their radar i suppose. better to wait until there is a new thread about it on here ....otherwise you might incur the soul destroying "but abhisit" insult, and that cuts man, that cuts deep. oh, this is a thread about abhisit.... better give it a read back over then, see if there was any "but thaksin" The breaking news item on the 'Dems rebut draft-dodging case' is a bit more detailed and nuanced than Ozemade's short description suggests. As the newsflash was posted 06:23PM I expect a new topic here tomorrow morning. Stay tuned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Jatuporn...ermmm...small credibility problem? Get serious guys. I take issue with the word small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Off topic posts and replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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