Lite Beer Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Thai 'Red Shirt' trial 'likely to be postponed' Bangkok, Aug 7, 2012 (AFP) - The terrorism trial of Thai "Red Shirt" protest leaders in connection with deadly unrest in 2010 is expected to be postponed because some defendants have parliamentary immunity, the defence said Tuesday. Twenty-three figures within the movement, including four serving lawmakers, are due to appear in a Bangkok court on Thursday, but defence lawyer Karom Polpornklang said the hearing would probably be pushed back. "Some of the defendants are lawmakers who have immunity. This case cannot be done individually as all the defendants were charged together and the witnesses and evidence are the same," he told AFP. One option would be for the court to schedule a hearing for after the current session of parliament ends in late November. Two months of anti-government protests in Bangkok in April and May 2010 by the Red Shirts triggered a series of clashes between demonstrators and troops that left at least 90 people dead -- mostly civilians -- and nearly 1,900 injured. Most top Red Shirts surrendered to police after the army launched a crackdown on the movement's fortified encampment in the heart of Bangkok. No government official or military personnel has been charged over the deaths. The kingdom, which remains deeply divided by the bloodshed, now has a new government allied to the Red Shirts' hero, fugitive former leader Thaksin Shinawatra, whose sister Yingluck is prime minister. Two foreign journalists were among those killed during the 2010 rallies, including Japanese cameraman Hiroyuki Muramoto. Then prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, his deputy Suthep Thaugsuban and former army chief Anupong Paojinda will be called as witnesses in the official inquest into Muramoto's death which began in May, the court said Tuesday. Police initially insisted that the military was not behind the killing of Muramoto, but Yingluck's government said in November last year there was clear evidence that soldiers were responsible. -- (c) Copyright AFP 2012-08-07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) Yingluck's government will say and do any thing to postpone the trial hoping to get amnesty for all concerned. To have them tried and found guilty would not reflect very favorably on Her, Her party, or Her Brother. Given the amount of physical evidence and eye witnesses some might get off but there is no way they all will get off. Doe's any one know what ever happened when they said they were going to try to follow the money trail from the red shirts back to the people who supplied it. Notice please you red shirt lovers I am not putting in a name for one of the suppliers. Edited August 7, 2012 by hellodolly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I thought this court case was related to rescinding bail. Why do they even need to discuss any terrorism charges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Bangkok, Aug 7, 2012 (AFP) - The terrorism trial of Thai "Red Shirt" protest leaders in connection with deadly unrest in 2010 is expected to be postponed because some defendants have parliamentary immunity, the defence said Tuesday. Actually, this defence was said not only on Tuesday, but 1 year, 2 months, and 19 days ago. Ten red leaders to figure in Pheu Thai Party list 2011-05-19 At least 10 red-shirt leaders will stand as party-list candidates for the Pheu Thai Party in the July election in a bid to draw massive numbers of votes from the red-shirt movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Group trial coming to a court near you soon... Most top Red Shirts surrendered to police after the army launched a crackdown on the movement's fortified encampment in the heart of Bangkok. No government official or military personnel has been charged over the deaths. Well, ... That's fair... What would be the right TVF tagline for that? "Yea for Junta Justice" ?? Maybe amnesty really is the best solution... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Group trial coming to a court near you soon... Most top Red Shirts surrendered to police after the army launched a crackdown on the movement's fortified encampment in the heart of Bangkok. No government official or military personnel has been charged over the deaths. Well, ... That's fair... What would be the right TVF tagline for that? "Yea for Junta Justice" ?? Maybe amnesty really is the best solution... So why would you think that the current Government with their Shiniwatra clan running the police and almost everything else now, would not charge any previous Government or Military personnel over the deaths. After all they could do, they are now the Government in power. It couldn't be because they would open Pandoras box now could it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidu Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I can't help but see the hand of mr. "I'm through with politics" behind this. Pardon me if I sound like a conspiricy nut, but I also see his hand behind the bail paid by gov't coffers for Red Shirt inciters, and the 'get out of jail free' card recently given to the cops convicted and sentenced to death. If the Red Shirt riot inciters had half the cojones they have when shouting in microphones from a stage, they would voluntarily rescind their immunity, and face justice. There is probably no term in Thai language for 'face justice' and it's certainly not a concept familiar to Mr. T or the dangerous thugs he funds and protects. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post waza Posted August 7, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2012 Yingluck's government will say and do any thing to postpone the trial hoping to get amnesty for all concerned. To have them tried and found guilty would not reflect very favorably on Her, Her party, or Her Brother. Given the amount of physical evidence and eye witnesses some might get off but there is no way they all will get off. Doe's any one know what ever happened when they said they were going to try to follow the money trail from the red shirts back to the people who supplied it. Notice please you red shirt lovers I am not putting in a name for one of the suppliers. Good point Dolly. PS: read my footnote 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waza Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Group trial coming to a court near you soon... Most top Red Shirts surrendered to police after the army launched a crackdown on the movement's fortified encampment in the heart of Bangkok. No government official or military personnel has been charged over the deaths. Well, ... That's fair... What would be the right TVF tagline for that? "Yea for Junta Justice" ?? Maybe amnesty really is the best solution... Opposition leader Abhisit Vejjajiva has offered to disqualify himself and his former deputy prime minister Suthep Thaugsuban from any future amnesty if the same measure applies to ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra, while other people involved in the political conflict are set free. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Abhisit-in-2-for-1-offer-30179540.html You cant get fairer than that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunron13 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Typical. Let's just keep postponing the trial until everyone forgets about it, then everyone gets off scot free! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 The OP seems to be referring to the TRIAL, not the bail hearing due imminently. If bail is rescinded, 19 of the 23 are likely to be getting free government accommodation (ie remand) until the trial , which it appears will be delayed to November. Given the cries (are you there PPD?) that red shirts are being held in remand unfairly, would it not be appropriate for the 4 MPs involved to give up their immunity so that their 19 partners in (alleged) crime do not face incarceration while waiting for the parliament to rise? Junta justice, Tom? PTP have been in office over a year and no charges against RTA or government officers have been laid. So should that be "junta, Democrat and PTP justice" or just "justice". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Group trial coming to a court near you soon... Most top Red Shirts surrendered to police after the army launched a crackdown on the movement's fortified encampment in the heart of Bangkok. No government official or military personnel has been charged over the deaths. Well, ... That's fair... What would be the right TVF tagline for that? "Yea for Junta Justice" ?? Maybe amnesty really is the best solution... A few weeks ago, a "drugs" operation in the north left 8 people dead. No police or army casualties. No charges. In 2003, this was an occurance that left between 2500 and 3000 dead. Just one conviction in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katipo Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 So if I ever want to go on a murderous rampage, incite or take part in terrorism, or commit any other form of dastardly crime; I just need to make sure I am elected to parliament before charges are laid if I want to get away with it and avoid punishment. Parliament, the refuge of criminals. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 So if I ever want to go on a murderous rampage, incite or take part in terrorism, or commit any other form of dastardly crime; I just need to make sure I am elected to parliament before charges are laid if I want to get away with it and avoid punishment. Parliament, the refuge of criminals. Your time-line is wrong. Most of the red-shirt MPs were already charged before they were nominated as party list candidates, and are not "elected" by an electorate. Nomination of unsuitable candidates may yet see PTP disbanded. More to the point, IMHO "guaranteed" MP positions were given as a reward for crimes committed (in one case to a spouse), to delay prosecution, and with a promise of an amnesty to absolve guilt by a "reconciliation" bill. Of course, voting for an amnesty bill which may save them from the death penalty would be a conflict of interest and by definition corrupt, but what's a corruption allegation compared to terrorism, murder and arson. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Group trial coming to a court near you soon... Most top Red Shirts surrendered to police after the army launched a crackdown on the movement's fortified encampment in the heart of Bangkok. No government official or military personnel has been charged over the deaths. Well, ... That's fair... What would be the right TVF tagline for that? "Yea for Junta Justice" ?? Maybe amnesty really is the best solution... So why would you think that the current Government with their Shiniwatra clan running the police and almost everything else now, would not charge any previous Government or Military personnel over the deaths. After all they could do, they are now the Government in power. It couldn't be because they would open Pandoras box now could it? do you have any proof that the current government, as you put it - won't do that? AFAIK, the DSI is not part of the elected government but part of the bureaucracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Group trial coming to a court near you soon... Most top Red Shirts surrendered to police after the army launched a crackdown on the movement's fortified encampment in the heart of Bangkok. No government official or military personnel has been charged over the deaths. Well, ... That's fair... What would be the right TVF tagline for that? "Yea for Junta Justice" ?? Maybe amnesty really is the best solution... A few weeks ago, a "drugs" operation in the north left 8 people dead. No police or army casualties. No charges. In 2003, this was an occurance that left between 2500 and 3000 dead. Just one conviction in 2012. Did I say anything about those? No. Did I say those cases were treated fairly? No. Here you have a conflict with clearly illegal acts on both sides and on one side people have never even been charged when on the other side, .... That's fair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OzMick Posted August 8, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 8, 2012 do you have any proof that the current government, as you put it - won't do that? AFAIK, the DSI is not part of the elected government but part of the bureaucracy. 12 months have gone by with no action, so not an urgent matter obviously, when compared to an amnesty for big brother. If you think the DSI is not part of (or at least strongly influenced by) the government, please explain the change in the definition of Perjury, as applied to Yingluk. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdoom6996 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Is anyone else tired of hearing "Delayed", or "Suspended Sentence"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 do you have any proof that the current government, as you put it - won't do that? AFAIK, the DSI is not part of the elected government but part of the bureaucracy. 12 months have gone by with no action, so not an urgent matter obviously, when compared to an amnesty for big brother. If you think the DSI is not part of (or at least strongly influenced by) the government, please explain the change in the definition of Perjury, as applied to Yingluk. Indeed. There was the usual fanfare from Chalerm, various wild accusations, the trademark" I'll have this solved in 5 minutes" nonsense then his disappearing act. Par for the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Did I say anything about those? No. Did I say those cases were treated fairly? No. Here you have a conflict with clearly illegal acts on both sides and on one side people have never even been charged when on the other side, .... That's fair... Remind me. How many red/black shirts have been charged with murdering civilians and armed forces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMan3 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I haven't read any posts or the article yet as it is time to eat and then I will get back to it. But I do have a comment. Thai 'Red Shirt' trial 'likely to be postponed' Good ! Postpone it forever please..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMan3 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Is anyone else tired of hearing "Delayed", or "Suspended Sentence"? Very................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMan3 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I haven't read any posts or the article yet as it is time to eat and then I will get back to it. But I do have a comment. Thai 'Red Shirt' trial 'likely to be postponed' Good ! Postpone it forever please..... I stand corrected now that I have read the article. I thought that it said red shirt rally. Please excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I haven't read any posts or the article yet as it is time to eat and then I will get back to it. But I do have a comment. Thai 'Red Shirt' trial 'likely to be postponed' Good ! Postpone it forever please..... I stand corrected now that I have read the article. I thought that it said red shirt rally. Please excuse. Thank god, I thought the dark side you had been seduced to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 So if I ever want to go on a murderous rampage, incite or take part in terrorism, or commit any other form of dastardly crime; I just need to make sure I am elected to parliament before charges are laid if I want to get away with it and avoid punishment. Parliament, the refuge of criminals. And if you send a relative and he/she dies the government will give you a lot of money. A good way to help convince them to go is to have them attend a red shirt school on Democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waza Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 (edited) So if I ever want to go on a murderous rampage, incite or take part in terrorism, or commit any other form of dastardly crime; I just need to make sure I am elected to parliament before charges are laid if I want to get away with it and avoid punishment. Parliament, the refuge of criminals. And if you send a relative and he/she dies the government will give you a lot of money. A good way to help convince them to go is to have them attend a red shirt school on Democracy. Just what would you expect from a government run by a convicted criminal and fugitive from justice. Edited August 8, 2012 by waza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMan3 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I haven't read any posts or the article yet as it is time to eat and then I will get back to it. But I do have a comment. Thai 'Red Shirt' trial 'likely to be postponed' Good ! Postpone it forever please..... I stand corrected now that I have read the article. I thought that it said red shirt rally. Please excuse. Thank god, I thought the dark side you had been seduced to! NEVER Long Live the King !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waza Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) I haven't read any posts or the article yet as it is time to eat and then I will get back to it. But I do have a comment. Thai 'Red Shirt' trial 'likely to be postponed' Good ! Postpone it forever please..... I stand corrected now that I have read the article. I thought that it said red shirt rally. Please excuse. Thank god, I thought the dark side you had been seduced to! NEVER Long Live the King !!! Happy Mothers day Edited August 9, 2012 by waza 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertson468 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Group trial coming to a court near you soon... Most top Red Shirts surrendered to police after the army launched a crackdown on the movement's fortified encampment in the heart of Bangkok. No government official or military personnel has been charged over the deaths. Well, ... That's fair... What would be the right TVF tagline for that? "Yea for Junta Justice" ?? Maybe amnesty really is the best solution... So why would you think that the current Government with their Shiniwatra clan running the police and almost everything else now, would not charge any previous Government or Military personnel over the deaths. After all they could do, they are now the Government in power. It couldn't be because they would open Pandoras box now could it? do you have any proof that the current government, as you put it - won't do that? AFAIK, the DSI is not part of the elected government but part of the bureaucracy. And how do you think the top bureaucrats are given their appointments - a Nationwide, unbiased and open recruitment system? Don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 - deleted - So why would you think that the current Government with their Shiniwatra clan running the police and almost everything else now, would not charge any previous Government or Military personnel over the deaths. After all they could do, they are now the Government in power. It couldn't be because they would open Pandoras box now could it? do you have any proof that the current government, as you put it - won't do that? AFAIK, the DSI is not part of the elected government but part of the bureaucracy. And how do you think the top bureaucrats are given their appointments - a Nationwide, unbiased and open recruitment system? Don't think so. Enlighten us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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